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Offline SQA

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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2018, 04:04:45 PM »
Condoms are good at stopping STDs. They are (were?) the only form of birth control generally allowed in Japan. This makes them widely accepted and used in Japan more than in, say, the US where the Pill and other forms of female contraception are widely available.  I'm guessing the cultural acceptence means gays use them more too (plus what TIF said).

The Pill was allowed in 2000, I believe.

That's not how HIV spreads. The actual topic has been gaslighted to death in the States for various reasons.

The real answer is that non-blood-based transmission of HIV is extremely rare. Which spreads via either IV drug use or Male Homosexual activities. As a result, isolating HIV-positive Men is the generally best course of action, along with tracking their sexual history. This is how it used to be done up through about 1990 in the States, but the homosexual lobby basically obliterated the Public Health officials from doing their job. The Japanese don't have that hang-up, so it can't spread rapidly.

In Africa, the actual level of cases is far smaller than people realize. It was mostly a scare tactic to produce a huge amount of research money in the West to prevent the homosexuals from dropping over dead. The major issue is that the ways to prevent transmission is no sex for the infected and no IV drug use. If you know much about homosexual males, you'll understand that Sex & Drugs is pretty much all they're on about. That's why they view AIDS as an existential crisis.

With all that said, this is the reason why the "Dino AIDS" line people are going with doesn't work for a Japanese-based media creation. It has little resonance with the intended audience. Japan does, however, have a pretty bright line between the normal Japanese and the Red Light district people. Zero Two is playing upon what is on the other side, which is where part of the tension comes in. Remember, she is an "oni".

I shall repeat my statement from early in the thread: "Attention, Young Men, never put your cock in crazy." Hiro is finding that out the hard way.

Oh, and Zero Two in pure Oni form had blue blood, which is pretty much the same shade as that growth on Hiro. We'll see how it all plays out, though a lot of pilots are going to die next episode.

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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2018, 09:16:09 PM »
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but Shinji spent most of his time sadsacking around about how his father didnt love him

That's the other main misconception about Shinji (other than him being a coward for not immediately offering to sacrifice his life to help his asshole dad). That wasn't really his conflict at all. His actual problem is that because he was abandoned as a kid he is completely unwilling to open up to others (the hedgehog's dilemma). In the first couple episodes, he tries to emotionally isolate himself by forcing himself into a routine and running away to prevent himself from getting hurt by others. The funny part of that is that by Episode 4, the end of his first character arc, he basically gets over it. He bonds with his friends and Misato (as seen when he decides not to get on the train at the end of that episode), and the first half of the series is him creating more bonds. Of course, the second half of the series comprises of him losing those relationships one by one, forcing him back into his cycle of self pity. That's a different discussion altogether.

In Darling, the first 4 episodes take a similar trajectory, but with a much less fleshed out and interesting protagonist. The show would have been much better off, in my opinion, linking Hiro's inability to pilot his robot to his underlying character, rather than some unrevealed plot device. Then we would at least have a character arc where Hiro grows as a person over his introductory arc, so we could fully understand and relate to him. It would also fix my current issue with him (keeping in mind I have yet to see Episode 5) in that his character is flat. These issues could, and hopefully should, be fixed in the rest of the series, but I think they completely wasted an opportunity in the first four to make us really like our main character before moving onto the rest of the cast.
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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2018, 12:20:46 AM »
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To be though though, the person who abandoned Shinji most is his father so it's not completely incorrect to say his Daddy issues caused him problems. However, the larger arc of his character is fairly more complex than that. It dealt with many societal issues at the time, served as a commentary on the greater anime industry and its protagonists, and he largely was a vehicle for communicating Anno's episodes of depression. I've long maintained that the people who always write asinine comments like "Shinji should just man up" about NGE, fundamentally misunderstood the show's purpose and lack an understanding of depression. In any case, that is not something I see this show even close to touching so I don't think Hiro/Shinji comparisons are all that warranted. This is especially considering they are more interested in giving us honey porn than actually treating this narrative with the seriousness it deserves.

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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2018, 01:09:34 AM »
Well, you know you've found your anime of the year if it brings Reckoner out of the lurking closet.
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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2018, 01:35:29 AM »
I'm glad to have contributed to this watershed moment.

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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2018, 04:25:20 PM »
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Well, we're now in Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann meets Macross Frontier territory, so go nuts with it, Trigger.

Also, before anybody asks, Nine Iota is referring to Hiro.  Iota is the 9th letter of the Greek alphabet with a value or 10, so 910 is "nine iota".  Rotate that 180 degrees and you get 016.  Trigger is having some fun trying to be sneaky.
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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2018, 08:05:25 PM »
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Well, we're now in Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann meets Macross Frontier territory, so go nuts with it, Trigger.

Also, before anybody asks, Nine Iota is referring to Hiro.  Iota is the 9th letter of the Greek alphabet with a value or 10, so 910 is "nine iota".  Rotate that 180 degrees and you get 016.  Trigger is having some fun trying to be sneaky.

The guy talking is also from a group called "The Nines", I believe. We also have that chunk in the OP where Hiro's number changes, so there's something different about him. Though, if you didn't realize he was the special pilot, you haven't watched much Mecha before.

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Big action episode. Hiro was in no risk of actually dying, though the "in his head" scene was a good choice. It was nice to see a competent military unit for the first time, something they rarely ever do in most series that involve some form of military. I know our group are the main characters, but they really do seem out of place in the actual world for mecha designs. Thus, it's pretty clear they really are something different & have some other purpose, which is a lot of the reason Dr. Franxx and the blonde guy showed up this episode. (And, seriously, someone get the team some combat training.)

Death toll of the pilots was Blue Infection in Hiro, which was really quite surprising. We seem to be in the Eureka 7 realm for death risk: the risk is real, but don't expected named characters to drop very often. Clearly, this isn't a Sunrise production.

Edit: A further thought is that Goro is clearly the best character in this series. He's clearly the guy that should be running the show and directing traffic. Hopefully they realize that by the later arcs.

With the first arc complete, this is a pretty interesting show that's a good watch. The creators seem to have a focus & purpose, while keeping things under control. Eureka 7 actually looks a lot more like a reference point than I first expected, though no one is as yet as interesting as Eureka, Holland or Taho. (Renton gets there, but it takes a while.) Now, if we can get something on the quality of the Ray & Charles Arc, this will be AOTY candidate. Right now, it's just good entertainment.
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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2018, 08:42:07 PM »
The smaller ones were called "Conrad" class. The big guy was "Gutenberg" class. They hadn't used any terminology on any of the monsters yet, so the only references I can find to tie the two names together are Joseph Conrad's works at Project Gutenberg. Which puts us with a lot of references to Numbers and now Books. If Conrad is Joseph Conrad, then they're almost assuredly alluding to "Heart of Darkness". I expect they're running with a theme of Parallels, which fits with the already sexual mating nature of most of the thematic elements.

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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2018, 12:57:55 AM »
In literature iota often means extremely small, as in "I have not one iota of interest in watching this show." Hiro might be the least of the Nines or considered as such (at least initially).

Papa has a steel encased mini-horn on his head that is about the same size as 002's. Whyzat?

Apocalypse FranXX?  Conrad's stuff is pretty dark.
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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2018, 02:38:10 AM »
In literature iota often means extremely small, as in "I have not one iota of interest in watching this show." Hiro might be the least of the Nines or considered as such (at least initially).

Papa has a steel encased mini-horn on his head that is about the same size as 002's. Whyzat?

Apocalypse FranXX?  Conrad's stuff is pretty dark.

It all depends what other literary references we get. Big difference between the Seuss & Huxley classes.

As for the iota issue, odds are it's going to point to the reason we still use phrases around it: https://xefer.com/2002/10/iota

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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2018, 05:57:15 AM »
So Hiro has a past.....but the question is does he remember it? The other children act like he's always been at plantation 13. I'm guessing that the nines are a set of bioengineered children specifically designed to partner with creations like Zero Two. Now, whether or not there are more like Zero Two......also, I would like to see a Seuss class Klaxosaur.

Now I really want to know what happened to Plantation 13's previous team. If a regular team works with that sort of professionalism and precision it must have been something huge, on the scale of a Gutenberg class, to take them out. Judging by the comments made by team 26, I'm also assuming that our good doctor friend may have used that particular tragedy to pull out some experimental units he's been working on for field testing.

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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2018, 05:12:23 PM »
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Mechs without seatbelts
A vaccine ex machina
Nice sakuga

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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2018, 05:29:53 PM »

The Pill was allowed in 2000, I believe.

That's not how HIV spreads. The actual topic has been gaslighted to death in the States for various reasons.

The real answer is that non-blood-based transmission of HIV is extremely rare. Which spreads via either IV drug use or Male Homosexual activities. As a result, isolating HIV-positive Men is the generally best course of action, along with tracking their sexual history. This is how it used to be done up through about 1990 in the States, but the homosexual lobby basically obliterated the Public Health officials from doing their job. The Japanese don't have that hang-up, so it can't spread rapidly.

In Africa, the actual level of cases is far smaller than people realize. It was mostly a scare tactic to produce a huge amount of research money in the West to prevent the homosexuals from dropping over dead. The major issue is that the ways to prevent transmission is no sex for the infected and no IV drug use. If you know much about homosexual males, you'll understand that Sex & Drugs is pretty much all they're on about. That's why they view AIDS as an existential crisis.

With all that said, this is the reason why the "Dino AIDS" line people are going with doesn't work for a Japanese-based media creation. It has little resonance with the intended audience. Japan does, however, have a pretty bright line between the normal Japanese and the Red Light district people. Zero Two is playing upon what is on the other side, which is where part of the tension comes in. Remember, she is an "oni".

I shall repeat my statement from early in the thread: "Attention, Young Men, never put your cock in crazy." Hiro is finding that out the hard way.

Oh, and Zero Two in pure Oni form had blue blood, which is pretty much the same shade as that growth on Hiro. We'll see how it all plays out, though a lot of pilots are going to die next episode.

Coming out of the crypt to say that as a gay man I feel personally offended by this statement.

I tried to watch one episode of this show because I love the mecha design and it's been a while since we've had a solid Eva clone but...this is not it from what I've seen. It's like Star Driver without the rhythmic charm plus a lot of puerile sexual references. But someone tell me if it's worth picking up because I miss old school mecha a lot.

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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2018, 05:46:55 PM »
See?  FranXX is saving anime!  We now have had two staff members come out of the ether.

Hayama, I say watch it just because.  Yes it is utterly unsubtle with what it wants the themes to be, but it's just so much ****ing FUN discussing this to death on a weekly basis.  It has caused a buzz, even if that buzz is stupid.  I'll take interest over apathy any day.

As for SQA's statement, I have never known him to make comments without reason and logic, nor to just be offensive, dismissive, or prejudiced in any way, so I am going to let him explain himself before I make any necessary edits for hospitality's sake.  However, for the sake of board harmony, I would prefer not indulging in this conversation any further here.  If y'all want to take that to Twitter or something, go right ahead.
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Re: Darling in the FranXX
« Reply #59 on: Today at 04:30:15 AM »

The Pill was allowed in 2000, I believe.

That's not how HIV spreads. The actual topic has been gaslighted to death in the States for various reasons.

The real answer is that non-blood-based transmission of HIV is extremely rare. Which spreads via either IV drug use or Male Homosexual activities. As a result, isolating HIV-positive Men is the generally best course of action, along with tracking their sexual history. This is how it used to be done up through about 1990 in the States, but the homosexual lobby basically obliterated the Public Health officials from doing their job. The Japanese don't have that hang-up, so it can't spread rapidly.

In Africa, the actual level of cases is far smaller than people realize. It was mostly a scare tactic to produce a huge amount of research money in the West to prevent the homosexuals from dropping over dead. The major issue is that the ways to prevent transmission is no sex for the infected and no IV drug use. If you know much about homosexual males, you'll understand that Sex & Drugs is pretty much all they're on about. That's why they view AIDS as an existential crisis.

With all that said, this is the reason why the "Dino AIDS" line people are going with doesn't work for a Japanese-based media creation. It has little resonance with the intended audience. Japan does, however, have a pretty bright line between the normal Japanese and the Red Light district people. Zero Two is playing upon what is on the other side, which is where part of the tension comes in. Remember, she is an "oni".

I shall repeat my statement from early in the thread: "Attention, Young Men, never put your cock in crazy." Hiro is finding that out the hard way.

Oh, and Zero Two in pure Oni form had blue blood, which is pretty much the same shade as that growth on Hiro. We'll see how it all plays out, though a lot of pilots are going to die next episode.

Coming out of the crypt to say that as a gay man I feel personally offended by this statement.

I tried to watch one episode of this show because I love the mecha design and it's been a while since we've had a solid Eva clone but...this is not it from what I've seen. It's like Star Driver without the rhythmic charm plus a lot of puerile sexual references. But someone tell me if it's worth picking up because I miss old school mecha a lot.

Ep 1 was actually weaker than the rest. The MC is what I'd surmise as a low-status male insert character for appeal, but the world itself holds a lot of interesting questions. Zero Two is the type of Woman you should avoid at all possible states of your life. They made her a literal "man-eater".  But we're only through arc 1. Arc 2 will dictate how this series goes, as all they've done is setup a part of the world and a few characters. Plus Dino-Healing-Powers?

As to the topic of homosexual males, there are exceptions to everything, and my statement was focused about the scene within the USA. Especially in the major cities. I've also seen the consequences to public health policy from the Gay Lobby over the past several decades, and, as a result, know far more of the reality of the space than the commonly presented media perspective. As a result, this isn't the place to discuss these things, as it's wildly off topic, so if TIF feels the need to remove them, I don't mind. It was just a response to the "DinoAIDs" talk going around.

Besides, she gave him the clap.  ;D
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