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Offline Stark700

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Alice & Zoroku
« on: April 02, 2017, 09:11:35 AM »
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Hmm, I think the first episode was interesting. The CGI car stuff was distracting but besides that, I think the show built itself with its world setting in a way that I found pretty curious.

Surprisingly good soundtrack so far.

From the character cast, they introduced Sana, Zouroku, Hinagiri twins, etc. There's a feel of mystery in the air as well especially with Sana. I'm curious to know about her more. Between Zouroku and Sana, I like their character chemistry so far. In general, I think the first episode (44+ minutes) set up the story well. I'm interested to see more.

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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2017, 05:29:51 PM »
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Confusing, heavily trope reliant, forced, and soulless. Plus the animation looks like crap and dips into even worse CGI. Overall, f!cking terrible.

Who the hell made this? Was this the winner of a contest for highschoolers?
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2017, 09:17:45 PM »
I'd almost think J.C. Staff was using a low animation style on purpose to contrast with the glorious beauty of the flower shop at the end, if not for the jarringly bad car chase CG.

Something weird is going on with the granddaughter (Sanae).  According to Sana - who had read Zoroku's mind - she has been "at a training camp with her high school club since yesterday" (13:30).  But her room looks like nobody has been living there for a while.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2017, 10:28:06 AM »
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I care not for the seemingly all-too-common plotlines which are hinted by Main Girl's origin. I'll just be here for the budding dynamic between Sana and Zoroku.  I fear all this supernatural and government conspiracy bullshit will obscure a far lesser trodden story. 

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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2017, 03:17:58 AM »
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Hoooooooly crap that's some bad animation.  However, I'll let the weird dynamic of the two main characters and the seriousness that the story wants to treat her and the agency that's after her, run with this mother or a few episodes and see what happens.

But goddamn that was some really bad animation.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2017, 11:37:59 AM »
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MYYYY EYEEES... but i liked it otherwise. Hope my eye bleeding won't hinder my enjoyment of the show too much. Because it was bleeding pretty badly. Had to get some tissues.


Also had a few good laughs over the horrible cgi car:D AND i think the low point in here was during the chase when Zoroku asks Sana to leave the car. Even though he stops the car (around 17:00) the background was still moving:3

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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2017, 05:18:17 PM »
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Man I really wanted to make some kind-of point regarding character design....there seems to be, at the least, three differing schools of charcter design. Whether it be the Hidamari Loli's, the Government Agent's, or the "Kaiji" Adults...each faction seems to have been represented by a certain character design.
--some bullshit I wanted to say about episode 1
   

I still hate the needless Alice in Wonderland references(Wonderland, Sana=Alice, The Twins=Thing 1 and Thing 2) it's all such affectatious nonsense. So all this nonsense not only doesnt establish context it just begs needless intrigue(yes I did give the first episode some slack seeing how some of the terminology may have been derived by actual children).
--more bulshit I thought regarding ep 1


what happened this episode? I don't know.
Do I like this series? I mean, I wanted to watch an innocent show wherein a girl, having suffered a dark past, came into her own...and I am getting that. I enjoyed the episode. IDK.

The distinction between worry and anger, as experienced by a parental agent, is quite adorable

So this episode neither advanced the dynamic between Zoroku and Alice but also didnt confront the overarching supernatural narrative...but I loved it.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2017, 02:00:21 AM »
I still think something is going on with Sanae. In ep 1 her bedroom was dusty and full of stacked boxes as if she had not occupied it in a long time. Yet in ep 2 she suddenly returned from her HS 'field trip' (which Sana had gleaned from reading Zoroku's mind).

We know that Sana can create living things out of thin air, for example when she created the luscious garden in the research lab (it included birds IIRC). After she escaped the lab she offered to grant Zoroku any wish that he might want, but he refused her offer.

What if Sana - after pigging out at the restaurant to max out her mana - decided to grant Zoroku one wish anyway?
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2017, 09:32:58 PM »
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Better.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 04:21:40 AM »
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All of a sudden I want some Carl's Jr.  Anybody else getting that weird vibe out of no where?
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 01:40:11 PM »
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They really drew attention to Sana bringing those pigs to life. Minnie C. can bring back her hubby, but only as a partial apparition.

My theory about Sanae took a hit when Zoroku's two helpers asked him about her, but it still might work if they simply have not seen her at the shop for a while and are unaware of the real situation.

When we first saw her at the train station she was standing there alone and no train was seen.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2017, 12:16:53 AM »
So you think they're pulling a Magnitude 8.0 on us?  Didn't everybody react to Sanae's excited shouts when they took Sana away?

I'll watch it, but I think the theory is already dead.  I think someone addresses Sanae directly once.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2017, 09:36:47 AM »
She's alive and real (or at least as real as the pigs).  Sana could have created a doppleganger when she scanned Zoroku's mind.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2017, 09:59:33 PM »
Uh, yeah, but I'd think everybody would be reacting weird to a suddenly revived daughter.  Unless she did something to **** with their minds, too, but now we're approaching "convenient" territory.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2017, 10:56:23 PM »
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Well, we wrapped up that first arc by having an overpowered good guy save the day, the enemy organization get taken down by the fuzz, and Sana gets to go home to a loving family.

My only question in this is what the **** does Zoroku have to do with anything?  Aside from be the stand-in parental figure to a walking WMD, he has done ****-all for Sana or anybody else.  I suppose it is appropriate that he, being just an average Joe flower shop owner, wouldn't pull a Bruce Willis and Die Hard Miss Tachibana's shit, but if he's not that important, why is he sent into the situation in the first place and what can he honestly do for Sana with all these mega powers that be running amok?
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2017, 09:07:14 PM »
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I don't know what is worse, a recap episode or a non sequitur episode with live action interviews.  Either way, this week is a loss for us all.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2017, 10:22:10 PM »
Wait, that was for real? Not a spoof? 

I suppose it's fine as a DVD/BD bonus track or a YouTube behind-the-scenes vignette. But to skip a full episode during the initial run and instead just sit on a couch and talk about the show?  That is so unprofessional.  Shame on you, J.C. Staff (especially after only 5 eps).

Edit: Oops, I bailed too early. There is animated recap further in, then some talk about future stuff that is really confusing.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2017, 11:55:19 AM »
The real 6

Nothing happens, except it over load your senses with sweetness and cuteness. And a bit of gruff from you know who.

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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2017, 08:43:01 PM »
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Obviously this episode was about Sana's developing humanity and her lack of understanding of emotions, which is a just fine thing to focus on going forward.  Obviously, the "errors" problem will become the thing that defines the second arc, and most likely will end in tragedy.
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2017, 04:13:34 AM »
8-11:

I got behind on this one and I'm sorry I did, because this second half has been rather impressive.  I had forgotten about Sana's powers breaking randomly at times, and for a while it wasn't part of the show either.  By the point 11 hits, it dawns on me that the reason her powers were going haywire was because of the weird contradiction that results from Ha-chan using hers.  For some reason, the two girls' powers counter-act each other, like a form of matter and anti-matter.  They don't have any way to affect each other, but by having the ability to cancel each other out, they're actually making things worse.  Or better.  I'm not sure which yet.

I like how Sana has kept up her relatively naive, inexperienced, and extremely childish points of view on everything.  This whole second arc could have been handled in about five minutes of a good discussion if Sana wasn't the way she is.  But she is the way she is, and so the consistency of her character makes this all work.  The problem with other shows that have easily resolved misunderstandings is that you know, based on watching the show, that the characters are all rational, sane, logical, beings and perfectly capable of resolving these things like adults.  Sana is not any of that, and is barely even human to begin with, so her personality keeps things from being easily taken care of.  It works here because it is well established that this is just how she is.  She arguably makes things worse before making them better because of her naive nature.  She'll eventually get there, and that's what this whole arc has been, a slow churn of understanding starting to come to fruition by two girls who couldn't be any less alike and whose powers cause mayhem in Wonderland itself.

So Sana's power issues were all related to Ha-chan's powers, or so it seems.  I'm still not sure if that's what was causing her mishaps or if she was just so "moja-moja suru" that it made her abilities go wonky.  Either way, they're stuck in Wonderland until something happens.  Since they've reached a resolution to their issues at the end of 11, and they're still stuck, we can rule that out.  Wonderland itself must be looking for something in these two girls interacting,
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Re: Alice & Zoroku
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2017, 02:25:19 AM »
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After the first half was an almost typical, bombastic, action and intrigue super powers show, the second half is about as polar opposite as it could.  While the first half was overt, the second half was a lot more subdued.  It is like watching a season of X-men then a season of Flying Witch, but they were the same show.  It isn't like the second half got too slice of lifey, but it sure wasn't as deliberate as the first half.  Frankly, both halves are a mess individually, so together they're much more odd, but overall it wasn't bad.  I think my only real issue with the second half was the ending of this episode, which hinted at a future for Sana that I really really really want to ****ing see.  Arguably that literal last minute teaser was mean.  I want to see Sana grow up now.  I want to see Sana become something other than a naive creation of a naive entity.  I want to see how much Zoroku changes her.  I want to cry bitch tears when she inevitably has to say goodbye to the elderly father figure.  That would have been interesting!

But, alas, the show is fine the way it is, but it sure is bewildering.  There are many things that happen, are resolved, and then forgotten about as if they never did.  The one kid from the research facility is hinted at possibly being a powerful Dream of Alice, yet he does literally nothing and is forgotten about after the research facility is shut down.  The two twins come back around, but the other kid disappears and is never heard from again.  What happened to Minne C?  What about the head research guy?  What was up with Zoroku's past?  Or did he ever have one and that was just a red herring?  What was with Sanae being talked about as never being around initially when she's around all the damn time?  What happened to Sanae's parents (one of which was Zoroku's child)?  Why was Sana having issues with her powers?  How'd that get resolved?  What the **** is Wonderland?  How did it get here?  What is this shit about it expanding into our world?

Anyway, if the show was intended to just be a cute little Usagi Drop like show about a young naive girl finding a mentor and parent in a grumpy old man I would have probably liked it just fine, and these aspects of Alice and Zoroku work just fine.  The other stuff, though, just gets muddled and weird.  Sana having issues with her powers is fine, and that could be something explored and help her fish out of water story even more believable, but they don't spend much time on it.  The second half story with Hattori and Ayumu is fine, actually, as something you'd see towards the end of a series, but right here as the second half of a one cour show, it seems early.

Show is fine, but it isn't amazing.  5/10.
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