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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2013, 11:05:24 AM »
3: This show is overdoing it.

The sentiment is all there and I like it. Tomoko's actions, as long as they don't affect the plot or her situation, are well written and relateable. Its backed up by the audiovisual department very well and I like all of that too. The only, and biggest problem I have is that this anime is actually aspiring to become "everything goes wrong: the anime", and its perfectly willing to turn Tomoko into a caricature to do that. Tomoko refuses help from Yu because how else will she be alone. Tomoko never gets her handouts because how else will she be alone. Tomoko has absolutely zero friends in her school, neighborhood or even the internet because how else will she be alone. Tomoko doesn't seem to play MMOs because how else will she be alone.(With the online disinhibition effect at work, she should be able to function, if only barely, in an online society.)
Its doing a terrible disservice to the "alienation" theme of the show by constricting it. This show needs to like let Tomoko enter the 'social entry process' if it wants to go anywhere, and leave disappointed with real society if it really wants to preserve this identity thing it's got going on. I'm not saying it should pump sugar into the show; it can be pessimistic all it wants, but the way Tomoko heaps meaning and hope onto that portrait of hers in the last episode, yet doesn't ever process the thought that the umbrella was left behind by the boys in this episode just tells me its being pessimistic for the hell of it. That irritates me to no end because I genuinely like Tomoko for her arrogance and bitchiness.

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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2013, 11:39:38 AM »
3: This show is overdoing it.

The sentiment is all there and I like it. Tomoko's actions, as long as they don't affect the plot or her situation, are well written and relateable. Its backed up by the audiovisual department very well and I like all of that too. The only, and biggest problem I have is that this anime is actually aspiring to become "everything goes wrong: the anime", and its perfectly willing to turn Tomoko into a caricature to do that. Tomoko refuses help from Yu because how else will she be alone. Tomoko never gets her handouts because how else will she be alone. Tomoko has absolutely zero friends in her school, neighborhood or even the internet because how else will she be alone. Tomoko doesn't seem to play MMOs because how else will she be alone.(With the online disinhibition effect at work, she should be able to function, if only barely, in an online society.)
Its doing a terrible disservice to the "alienation" theme of the show by constricting it. This show needs to like let Tomoko enter the 'social entry process' if it wants to go anywhere, and leave disappointed with real society if it really wants to preserve this identity thing it's got going on. I'm not saying it should pump sugar into the show; it can be pessimistic all it wants, but the way Tomoko heaps meaning and hope onto that portrait of hers in the last episode, yet doesn't ever process the thought that the umbrella was left behind by the boys in this episode just tells me its being pessimistic for the hell of it. That irritates me to no end because I genuinely like Tomoko for her arrogance and bitchiness.

This is sort of true.  I think it's the way the show is trying to strike a balance between black comedy and light commentary on the social awkwardness issues in Japan.  The over the top extreme example Tomoko is necessary for a lot of the comedy to work to it's full extent, yet it also gets somewhat in the way of depicting the social situation for her as it makes it hard to see how things can possibly improve at this stage.  It's almost like she needs a shock or epiphany so huge and so blindingly obvious that she can't ignore it in order to make any sort of progress and if it can't come from random acts of kindness, her only friend or her family it's hard to say what spark is going to be.

I remember in another black comedy I watched Welcome to NHK the spark came from the main character finding himself totally cut off and alienated from any form of financial support but that's a different circumstance and this is more the social game for teenagers as opposed to a post graduate slump and considering she already has nothing in the way of strong support from anyone other than maybe Yu I'm not sure what she has to lose that could snap her out of her largely self-imposed funk.

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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2013, 07:46:21 AM »
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I rather like this show. And sure the MC is an incurable, self defeating outcast, but just because she's a static figure doesn't mean we can't enjoy watching her, ala Garfield or Family Guy.
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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2013, 07:50:38 PM »
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Now if you want to talk about being overwritten, I think Tomoko wanting to be molested would be that. Of course, I'm not a girl... or Japanese for that matter, so maybe I'm wrong. In that case why? Irregardless, it wasn't that funny to begin with. Whole episode wasn't really that funny too (Except for Tomoko ripping up her 1,680 yen panties and Yuu being weirded out).

But Mr. Kuroki gets best anime father of the season award (Not that that's a tough position to make). Although, I am now insanely curious about what he thinks about... THAT.

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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2013, 10:16:42 PM »
Actually, I kind of liked the train molesting bit, because it is a perfect microcosm of the stupidity of otaku perceptions of reality.  Here we have a girl who, probably because of her obsessive otakuism, believes that train molestation is flattering.  It is normal for this to happen in certain eroge, and is often fetish fuel for porn.  Considering her fantasy earlier about being treated like a possession by a couple of would-be suitors, this whole thing is appropriate to her character.  She is COMPLETELY IGNORING the negative aspects of it, which EVERY OTHER GIRL CHARACTER, including her best friend, is mentioning repeatedly.  When she finally gets herself into that situation, she realizes that her mindset about the whole thing was misguided and the terror of being abused by some stranger is real to her.  Even if it turns out to be a misunderstanding, for that one moment she got a ****ing crotch face full of reality.  Her second conversation with Yuu about being molested is less enthusiastic, even if the situation was nothing more than an utter embarrassment for her.  The lesson was learned (I ****ING HOPE), and maybe some viewers will realize that this shit isn't something to glorify, but revile.

The rest was quite funny.  The bullcrap at the beginning was borderline autoerotic asphyxiation, which killed Bill I might add.  The idea you can control your dreams is imbecilic, of course, which the episode points out.  The second half was more of what I have been waiting for, where our "poor" heroine uses her friend's experience to her advantage.  In a weird bit of irony, Tomoko is too self conscious to wear the new undies, which is really her whole problem.  She's simply not willing to take the kinds of shortcuts other girls use to attract men.  This isn't a bad thing.  Everybody has to find their own way.  Regardless, she'd have to get over her SAD before she could worry about attracting mates.  The last bit with dad was quite touching, even if Tomoko never realized it.  Your parents are always going to be your parents, after all.
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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2013, 01:50:01 AM »
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After seeing (skipping through) this episode I felt so bad for tomoko that I went to read the manga to check if she ever gets any friends.

Spoiler for Hiden:
she doesn't :( :( :(
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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2013, 02:09:41 AM »
Actually, I kind of liked the train molesting bit, because it is a perfect microcosm of the stupidity of otaku perceptions of reality.  Here we have a girl who, probably because of her obsessive otakuism, believes that train molestation is flattering.  It is normal for this to happen in certain eroge, and is often fetish fuel for porn.  Considering her fantasy earlier about being treated like a possession by a couple of would-be suitors, this whole thing is appropriate to her character.  She is COMPLETELY IGNORING the negative aspects of it, which EVERY OTHER GIRL CHARACTER, including her best friend, is mentioning repeatedly.  When she finally gets herself into that situation, she realizes that her mindset about the whole thing was misguided and the terror of being abused by some stranger is real to her.  Even if it turns out to be a misunderstanding, for that one moment she got a ****ing crotch face full of reality.  Her second conversation with Yuu about being molested is less enthusiastic, even if the situation was nothing more than an utter embarrassment for her.  The lesson was learned (I ****ING HOPE), and maybe some viewers will realize that this shit isn't something to glorify, but revile.

The rest was quite funny.  The bullcrap at the beginning was borderline autoerotic asphyxiation, which killed Bill I might add.  The idea you can control your dreams is imbecilic, of course, which the episode points out.  The second half was more of what I have been waiting for, where our "poor" heroine uses her friend's experience to her advantage.  In a weird bit of irony, Tomoko is too self conscious to wear the new undies, which is really her whole problem.  She's simply not willing to take the kinds of shortcuts other girls use to attract men.  This isn't a bad thing.  Everybody has to find their own way.  Regardless, she'd have to get over her SAD before she could worry about attracting mates.  The last bit with dad was quite touching, even if Tomoko never realized it.  Your parents are always going to be your parents, after all.

Quality with the bolded part.  Haha

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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2013, 02:06:22 PM »
4: Well, this is a nice change. Father doesn't go ballistic at the end. That's very nice. Very nice indeed.

maybe some viewers will realize that this shit isn't something to glorify, but revile.
I like this way of thinking about this show. Watamote is frightening.
Only, the thing is that it's incredibly easy to say "I have nothing to learn from this show; I am nothing like Tomoko." and avoid this train of thought altogether(I'm guilty of this). Sure, that's often just BS, but the show's really over-the-top presentation of everything really just makes it easier to disconnect yourself from Tomoko. If there are moments where Tomoko is just being 'normal', its much, much harder to convince yourself that Tomoko is just a caricature, and the message really takes form.

Right now, I can only relate with Tomoko's actions, not with her reasons for doing things and the reasoning behind it. Those haven't even been approached.

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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2013, 09:45:21 PM »
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Favorite Moment: Tomoko tries to be a expressionless character. Tomoko fails. Turns out been more expressive is better. Tomoko says "Screw you."

Oh and Tomoki. You poor kid. One day you are going to snap and that will definitely not be pretty... And what was up with that... ending...

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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2013, 11:35:58 PM »
Parody ending for this.  The joke, of course, is that Tomoko is doing it solo.
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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2013, 12:40:26 PM »
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I knew it. Tomoko does look really cute without those bags under her eyes. Just a shame she has really, really bad luck. And I am not exactly sure what I am suppose to take out of that ending. Is it suppose to be a good thing that Tomoko was actually able to eek out enough words to stay on the rooftop with those middle schoolers even though it was for something completely perverted?

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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2013, 02:00:18 PM »
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I think what I appreciate most about this show so far is that like Daily Live of High School Boys it's a slice of life comedy kind of show that's not at all afraid to poke fun at the typical tropes of slice of life comedies by essentially portraying it from the opposite side of the spectrum.  For DLoHSB it was a simple gender flip and having the male perspective for a change, for this show it's swapping out your typical daft bishoujo lead for a character you'd never expect to see an SoL show focus on, the kind of average looking loser who doesn't automatically have everything handed to her like a Yui Hirasawa and instead of being overly saccharine, sweet and idealistic is morose, bitter and has pretty much given up hope of ever being accepted by her peers.

And you know what, it's way funnier than almost any other SoL comedy I've seen since DLoHSB as a results.  It's amazing what can be accomplished when you break formula even slightly and are willing to laugh at the way things work in anime high schools from an outsiders perspective instead of having everything played straight and thus kind of boring for the umpteenth time.  I mean lets be honest 9 times out of 10 Yuu would have been our lead character for a show about high school girls and I can only imagine how boring a 12 episode series would be from her perspective with her making the observations about life and how everything about high school life is so great and all that's needed to make your life better is to just bleach your hair, dress sluttier and then you get to eat cupcakes at the end of the day or something.

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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2013, 09:56:16 AM »
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My god! The moment Tomoko's mom accidentally hears the recording. I can't. I just can't! My gut!
Also the childhood videos. Tomoki's reaction was worth the price of admission.
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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2013, 07:31:19 PM »
Yeah, that was the only time I've actually cringed watching this show.  I think we've all had a similar situation.  Not so much as your own voice recording being spliced into porn, but definitely doing something that your parents would find weird being exposed to one of them.  Not much you can really say about it.  Just gotta kinda die in a corner somewhere.

But, the intentional juxtaposition with the home videos was what made it great.  To Tomoko, it was just an embarrassing situation.  To mother, it was realizing that her children in those beloved tape recordings are gone gone gone...
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Re: Watashi ga Motenai no wa dō Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui
« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2013, 04:39:50 PM »
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I thought things couldn't get worse for Tomoko when her Mom found out her recording session..... Turns out I was stupid to even think that. That just burns. Not only did she probably mess up her chance to have another friend, but now she's being pitied by her 13 year old cousin.
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