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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #135 on: October 16, 2012, 07:13:23 PM »
Well, personally I was enjoying the crap out of this episode until the bit with Sugou.  It's not that I don't buy him as a villain; he certainly has a motive to do what he's doing.  I kind of wish he wouldn't be so ****ing obviously villainous about it.  I mean, he could have still been the same dude with the same agenda without turning into Captain CreepyFace and tormenting Kazuto about the whole thing.  Just means he's a total sociopath, which makes for a boring villain.  Whoo!  He's got brain problems that prevent him from being a decent human being!  It's so damned heinous!

This is for sure. Sugou is one of the most cliched villians you can write, but he is purposely put there so everyone can hate him. His role in this series is actually somewhat similar to Makoto in School Days. You can't help buy hate him and become annoyed at the series in general, but he'll get what he deserves at the end. This is what makes it hard to say if it's good or bad. After all, is School Days bad? But the ending was very satisfying. Is it good? But most of the series annoyed me to no end because Makoto is such a douche.

...would have been totally satisfied if they'd ended it with a happy reunion in the real world.
But the rest I liked.  Especially Kazuto having issues separating SAO from reality. 

Asuna and Kazuto reuniting in the real World...Kazuto having issues separating SAO from reality...

So you'd like something like this?

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I find those moments between Asuna and Kazuto to be worth the price of admission alone

Main problem is, now that they're separated, Asuna's role is probably going to be heavily attenuated even if they're in a relationship, just like Hitagi's role in Bakemonogatari/Nisemonogatari. Will you still like this show if that's the direction it's going for? With Asuna being the damsel in distress?
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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #136 on: October 16, 2012, 11:34:37 PM »
This is for sure. Sugou is one of the most cliched villians you can write, but he is purposely put there so everyone can hate him. His role in this series is actually somewhat similar to Makoto in School Days. You can't help buy hate him and become annoyed at the series in general, but he'll get what he deserves at the end. This is what makes it hard to say if it's good or bad. After all, is School Days bad? But the ending was very satisfying. Is it good? But most of the series annoyed me to no end because Makoto is such a douche.

I don't find the ending to School Days "satisfying", really.  Makoto was a douche, but everybody else involved with him got into those situations on their own.  So it wasn't just Makoto being a douche, but a bevy of young women being ****ing idiots.  Basically, it was bad porn writing, and since they wrote themselves into that situation, there really wasn't any other way to end it.  I mean, what kind of happy ending could you possibly envision?  After a certain point, you knew there was going to be one of those infamous "Bad Ends" from the game.  So, in my opinion, School Days was pain at the start, pain in the middle, and pain at the end.  Aside from shock value, there's nothing else here.

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So you'd like something like this?

Where's the "glop"?

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Main problem is, now that they're separated, Asuna's role is probably going to be heavily attenuated even if they're in a relationship, just like Hitagi's role in Bakemonogatari/Nisemonogatari. Will you still like this show if that's the direction it's going for? With Asuna being the damsel in distress?

It would probably drop a few points, yeah.  Hitagi's role in Bake/Nise is beyond bullshit.
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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #137 on: October 17, 2012, 02:24:37 PM »
School days you just watch it for the end and nothing more, so yes I would say it's bad if that's all it has going for it.

Sugou is just the author being lazy, he's barely in this arc so he's not going to piss you off much (unless you are an extreme shipper fanboy).

Then again this whole show is just him ripping off plot points from berserk, so it's kinda expected lazyness.

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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #138 on: October 17, 2012, 03:56:34 PM »
Where's the "glop"?

It's in a few pages after that. Pretty sure it's against forum rules to post it.
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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #139 on: October 17, 2012, 05:18:48 PM »
This is for sure. Sugou is one of the most cliched villians you can write, but he is purposely put there so everyone can hate him. His role in this series is actually somewhat similar to Makoto in School Days. You can't help buy hate him and become annoyed at the series in general, but he'll get what he deserves at the end. This is what makes it hard to say if it's good or bad. After all, is School Days bad? But the ending was very satisfying. Is it good? But most of the series annoyed me to no end because Makoto is such a douche.

When it comes to villains like Sugou, I believe that a major part of their entertainment value comes from their environment and how they're utilized. After all, these sort of flat villains can be seen all the time, with one of the most notable examples this season being Dio from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Hell, Dio's far, far more ridiculous than Sugou, but the anime created this insane environment where a guy as exaggerated and douchey as Dio can thrive and be entertaining as hell. SAO just plays the scene with Sugou completely straight and the Sugou's unintended silliness either makes me giggle or fall asleep. This isn't as bad as say, Noumi, but it's still a grievance of mine.

As for Makoto Itou... well, I'm still undecided about that ending. To this day, School Days has been the only anime on my MAL that I haven't been able to rate. I do agree with TIF that it was a fairly lazy resolution which they pulled out after writing themselves into a hole, but I still can't deny the sheer entertainment value of watching Makoto get ripped apart (which I enjoyed way more than I should have). There has been a couple series which tried to emulate that (BLOOD-C), but none have come close to the sheer impact of that moment.

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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #140 on: October 20, 2012, 07:01:29 PM »
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Because of course the mystery girl trapped in the game in a blurred image can't be anybody but Asuna..ha ha ha

They should rename this show Super Kirito RPG

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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #141 on: October 20, 2012, 07:15:29 PM »
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Kawahara is always at his best when he's initially explaining a world, so it makes sense this was a pretty good episode.  Unfortunately, annoying villain trope will probably return next episode and ruin the fun.

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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #142 on: October 20, 2012, 09:28:37 PM »
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I find it a tad ironic that the title of the series doesn't really apply anymore, when the name of the game is different... even if the engine's the same.

Something about the game perplexes me: if you need a so-called mini gamepad to control your flying, then why doesn't the blonde fairy hold one when she was flying? In fact, how would you even wield a two-handed weapon when you have to do that? Secondly, if Kirito just emptied his inventory, then where did he get his sword from? These questions seem minor for now, and I hope they get addressed later in the show... because if not, then it's obvious slip-ups on the writing part.

And why does this show have a cousin for a love interest? Heck, I don't think there's a need for a trope like this. The story's just fine with Kirito coming after Asuna, and if anything, having the trope is going to render the story more clichéd...

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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #143 on: October 21, 2012, 09:10:35 AM »
Actually the game does let you fly without a joystick, it just recommends you use a joystick when you're a beginner. Apparently they fly without it by using some sort of muscles in their shoulders or something..idk it's really strange. The sword was just a standard starter sword, same as any mmorpg when you start out.

Believe it or not, the cousin and kirito romance is probably the best developed (in terms of characterization) in the whole show haha..But let's be honest here, the writer is writing Kirito to be a player so he can fulfill all his fantasy's.

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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #144 on: October 27, 2012, 07:57:29 PM »
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If I weren't so invested in this show, this is around when I jump ship.  They are playing this damsel in distress angle really, really hard, and it's kind of off-putting.

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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #145 on: October 28, 2012, 07:56:31 AM »
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Well, Imperial warned me this was going to happen (regarding Asuna).  What's worse about this episode, though, is somehow Kazuto not knowing his sister cousin was playing that game, and for "a really long time".  Don't get me wrong, people can keep secrets when they want to, but that doesn't mean their other family members do (and you know the parents know she's playing it).  Also, how does Suguha not know her brother's cousin's SAO handle?  Hell, ****ing Sugou knew it.  You'd have thought that after a rather major incident that resulted in the death's of close to four thousand people, the media would have splashed the name of the person who "saved" everybody to the world.  Hell, maybe not.

Meh, so the romantic aspect will be that Suguha struggles to reconcile her feelings for Kirito with her feelings for Kazuto, then will inevitably be relieved when she finds out they're the same dude.  Also, Kirito seems to be just an accidental player, and I don't mean game player, but pimp.  First chick he sees in ALFheim already wants him.  Must be one of his maxed out skills granted by the server.  Naturally, this whole situation regarding Asuna and why he has to go to the World Tree, and subsequently ending the misunderstanding that exists between the siblings not knowing who each other is, would have been solved easily if Kirito had just explained himself.  But, no, gotta be mysterious.  Why?  I don't ****ing know.  Why so secretive?

In fact, that's the whole point of this episode:  why is everybody so stupidly secretive about shit that doesn't need to be a secret?
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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #146 on: October 28, 2012, 12:16:25 PM »
17: You know I forgot about that plot hole of Suguha not knowing Kazuto's handle hahahhaha....why oh why.

I think the only thing this show is missing is a "rival" character, then I could consider it just another stupid shounen that I didn't have to try and take seriously.

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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #147 on: October 28, 2012, 01:27:52 PM »
I thought she knew, but I guess that explains what happened better.

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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #148 on: October 28, 2012, 01:30:04 PM »
Oh, and can I just call that somehow Kirito is going to change Sugou's memories as his pay back for what he's done?  Though, credit to Sugou, he came up with a pretty good plan for getting human test subjects.   Though I'll note "American Corporation" is the Japanese version of "Soviets" for us, haha.

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Re: Sword Art Online
« Reply #149 on: October 28, 2012, 01:45:31 PM »
What they do with Sugou is about as lawlsy as anything could ever be, I'll say that much.
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