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Fate/Zero
« on: October 01, 2011, 05:08:05 PM »
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A very dialogue-heavy episode, but I personally loved every second of it because I'm such a big fan of Fate/stay night (the visual novel, excluding the anime of course). I felt that they did a really good job for new viewers so that one can jump into Fate/Zero without prior knowledge of the Fate/series, although having prior knowledge will certainly make many ordinary scenes in the episode feel more emotional, such as the birth of Illya...since people who play F/SN know of their fate. The scenes of Kariya and Sakura show really shows that Urobuchi is behind the script - he's not planning on making this series kiddy-friendly, and I love that aspect considering F/SN is an R18 game in the first place.

Animation quality is amazing as is the OP, so nothing more to say here. Can't wait for more.

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2011, 08:10:45 PM »
My God, that was slooooow.   If Fate/Zero weren't such an established series, this double episode would have killed fan enthusiasm in five seconds flat.  On the other hand, I do find it insteresting that I know the stories and motives of most of the characters right off the bat and don't have to sit through a series of expositions later on in the show.  For now, I'm sticking with the series because despite being a massive dialogue dump it was very carefully made.  It seems that they're triyng to maintain the Kara no Kyoukai kind of finesse on a television budget... that is assuming ufotable didn't already break the budget on all the pretty colors and the OP.
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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2011, 05:19:44 AM »
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"I ask of you, are you my Master?"

Makes me shiver in awe no matter which rendition of Fate I hear it from.

I don't see how Ufotable can possibly adapt Fate worse than what Deen has already done so I'm prepared to call this a success, especially if the music and animation is any indication at all. With all the set up and character exposition finished with in one episode, the pacing should speed up quite a bit for the series to fit within 12 episodes. It's too bad that the next episode can't come any sooner...

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2011, 08:59:10 AM »
With all the set up and character exposition finished with in one episode, the pacing should speed up quite a bit for the series to fit within 12 episodes.

Fate/Zero is scheduled for two cours.

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2011, 10:24:22 AM »
Episode 1

One thing for certain is that this series is quite promising in terms of production values with UFOtable behind this.  I liked this episode despite the long introduction since it did set things in motion while establishing some things along the way.  It also looks like people are going to have to dig a bit deeper into the backgrounds of some of the "new" Servants since a few of them may not have instant familiarity to them.  Lancer (Irish legend/historical figure), Caster (French legend/historical figure) and True Assassin (First assassin in the entire world) come to mind on that end.

But, things look good thus far and I am definitely sticking with this until the end regardless.  Also, I wonder how the sequences for True Assassin will go since that should be some pretty nice stuff there.  On a random note, I forget if this is the one that has the Dark Saber Scenario in it since that would look awesome animated too.

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 02:30:56 PM »
I know nothing of the Fate/Stay story, but the staff behind the show intrigues me.

Can I enjoy this show, while knowing nothing about the Fate/Stay universe? Or do I need to watch Fate/Stay Night and the Unlimited Blade Works movie before watching this?

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 02:33:30 PM »
I know nothing of the Fate/Stay story, but the staff behind the show intrigues me.

Can I enjoy this show, while knowing nothing about the Fate/Stay universe? Or do I need to watch Fate/Stay Night and the Unlimited Blade Works movie before watching this?

You will enjoy this piece of work much more if you know about the Fate/universe, but since the Fate/stay night and UBW anime suck, it's almost a universal law to play the VN instead. If you seriously have no time, I think you will still be able to watch this - though you will be very confused at times and miss a lot of significance in the certain events.

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2011, 05:17:21 AM »
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There's no bias against this show from me since I have yet to watch the anime or play the VN of F/SN and UBW nor read the novel itself, but I have a general idea of each characters and the main plot. I thought the first episode was well-done, albeit somewhat slow at times due to the sheer amount of expositions. Ufotable makes my eyes orgasm from the scenery-porn, and Yuki Kajiura hasn't disappointed me with the music either.

I'm slightly skeptical that Ufotable is going to be able to keep up the Kara no Kyoukai caliber animation quality for the remaining 24 episodes. But damn, that OP looked gorgeous (and budget-shattering).

I don't know about you guys, but I think Fate/Zero's Berserker looks awesome...

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 08:34:28 PM »
Ep 1

You see, that's the sort of level of detail they should have put into the Fate/Stay Night anime.  For example, just from watching this it's clear that Crest Worms are vital to the identity of the Matou family and their brand of magic.  How many times were Crest Worms mentioned in F/SN?  None.  How about the fact that Emiya is Ilya's father?  Maybe it was hinted at, but I don't ever remember it being explicitly expressed.  How about the idea that the Holy Grail chooses Masters depending on how much they covet it?  Pretty important tidbit as far as motivations go, I'd have thought.  Not according to Yamaguchi Yuji.  That's one of several things that annoyed me deeply about the Fate/Stay Night anime.  The potential was there for everyone to say.  How is it possible to take something so innately chaotic, and end up making it formulaic.  And let's not get into the plot holes.

You know what I find refreshing about this story.  All the Masters are men.  Serious men too, some of whom are married.  It means the thing will be less likely dripping in adolescent sexual tension.  There was almost this harem thing going throughout the middle act of F/SN, with Saber, Rin, Sakura, Ilya and Taiga all either living in Shirou's house or hanging out there a lot.  Things like Shirou's ignorant sexist attitudes (I know he doesn't mean bad by it, but goddamn did it get annoying) and scenes like the one where he saw Saber in the bath and ran away from her or the episode where he took her on a date... they all add up and detract from the super serious atmosphere that is pretty much necessary to make a Type Moon story work.  I'm hoping that by making most of the important characters men in the thirties who understand the life-and-death situation they're in, they've nipped any chance of that sort of crap going on in the bud.

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2011, 03:39:37 PM »
Episode 2

The characterization is definitely superior to Fate/Stay Night and they have definitely picked the right seiyuu voicing each of the servants.  The personalities seem to be coming through in a distinct way.  (Rider's boisterous attitude combined with wits beyond his own time, etc.)  I am guessing Caster's voice to be a mixed bag, but I actually like it myself.  There also seems to be an air of tension that wasn't exactly in the predecessing series, most notably after Caster's summoning.  So, there are some good signs and the next episode will probably show off some action

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2011, 03:14:46 AM »
Yeah, it's more Kara no Kyoukai than it is Fate/Stay Night, and that's definitely a good thing.

Ep 2

One thing I forgot to mention about ep 1 that impressed me was the psychoanalyses Emiya and Kirie did on each other near the end of the episode based on their respective intelligence reports.  Kirie guesses Emiya to be someone who was self-destructive until he met and married into the Einzbern family, while Emiya figured out that Kirie is a cold, unemotional juggernaut that follows his own convictions to the end.  Emiya seems to be fairly close to spot on after what seems to be Kirie's betrayal of his own Servant, by sending Assassin to a certain death.  Why, I have no idea.  I sure am eager to find out.

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2011, 12:16:53 PM »
Episode 2

Holy crap, compelling characters and genuine atmosphere in my (former) high school fantasy anime?  Two episodes in and this show is so far removed from the Fate/Stay Night anime in my mind that I'm going to pretend that Emiya Shirou never happened.  To everyone on NHRV not watching this, watch it.  The "sequel" Fate/Stay Night is not necessary and the plot is seriously picking up from the info dump of the first episode.

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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2011, 02:36:29 PM »
While it's to be expected that the anime adaptation of Fate/Stay Night is going to be bashed to hell and back when compared to this prequel, which has been adapted by far more capable hands,  I do think it would be a shame to completely miss out on the original story (as told by the visual novel) and treat Fate/Zero as if it were the only existing part of this particular fictional universe.

Both may seem to be entirely distinct tales, at least if you only consider things at first glance, but knowing how they connect to each other adds a lot to the overall experience. Fate/Zero is "well made" in the sense that the writing and directing is good, but also because it takes the events of sequel into consideration and retroactively enhances some of them, using both new information and past indications, instead of telling an unrelated story with no further relevance and which would only be good as trivia (ie: Did you know this person met that person before...? Oh, how nice...).

I'm not saying nobody should watch Fate/Zero first, it seems that can be done just fine, but hopefully that won't be the beginning and end of people's interest in this universe. Not everyone will like the content, tone and format of the visual novel, but I definitely think the positives of knowing how the entire story looks like still overwhelm any of the negatives.
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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2011, 04:35:47 PM »
Yeah, it's more Kara no Kyoukai than it is Fate/Stay Night, and that's definitely a good thing.

Allright.  I'll watch it.  But if this doesn't deliver... I'm coming back at you, S-K.
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Re: Fate/Zero
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2011, 04:20:23 PM »
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And the 4th Grail Wars starts in earnest. I wondered what the hell happened at the end of the episode until I read the title: 'False Opening'; as S-K said Kiritsugu's (using Emiya reminds of me of...someone...so I won't use it) initial analysis of Kirie seems to be pretty much on the money. He seems to be portraying himself as weak in order to attract attacks, then killing those people, would be my guess.

Also, Caster is a cruel ****. o.o
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