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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2007, 12:24:08 PM »
AC, if you're wondering why it says I edited your post... I screwed up and hit the wrong button, that's all.  I don't think I deleted anything, though, so you should be good.

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After watching Tsuiokuhen, you would probably feel that the Rurouni Kenshin series sucks big time, even though it's not necessarily true because you expected too much after watching a brilliant title.


Well, you're right there. I watched Tsuiokuhen first, and the RK series did nothing for me except waste my money. Although I think that's more to do with the fact that the series really did suck, and less to do with perception.... XD

You've actually got an interesting idea there that I think it right to some extent. I don't think they should exclude those hard-hitting anime, though, because those are the ones that prove to a newbie the depth and range that anime can have. Anime can be light-hearted fun, but they can also really pack an emotional punch that is rare in Western animation i.e. cartoons, which is (or is to me) the biggest draw for an adult viewer.

A series like Cowboy Bebop works really well for a beginner, because it has the lots and lots of comedy and light-hearted action, but it also has those very emotional moments that express what I talked about above. There's a good reason why, if you ask a lot of anime fans, they'll tell you that CB was one of the main series that got them into anime.

But a series like Azumanga Daioh (in particular) is a bit too cultural for a beginner, in my opinion. There are so many cultural jokes in it that might not translate well for a newbie to anime.

So I think that the best anime to hook someone with are the anime that combine a bit of both, and pull it off well.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2007, 01:12:35 AM »
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AC, if you're wondering why it says I edited your post... I screwed up and hit the wrong button, that's all. I don't think I deleted anything, though, so you should be good.
 
 
 
Well, you're right there. I watched Tsuiokuhen first, and the RK series did nothing for me except waste my money. Although I think that's more to do with the fact that the series really did suck, and less to do with perception.... XD
 
You've actually got an interesting idea there that I think it right to some extent. I don't think they should exclude those hard-hitting anime, though, because those are the ones that prove to a newbie the depth and range that anime can have. Anime can be light-hearted fun, but they can also really pack an emotional punch that is rare in Western animation i.e. cartoons, which is (or is to me) the biggest draw for an adult viewer.
 
A series like Cowboy Bebop works really well for a beginner, because it has the lots and lots of comedy and light-hearted action, but it also has those very emotional moments that express what I talked about above. There's a good reason why, if you ask a lot of anime fans, they'll tell you that CB was one of the main series that got them into anime.
 
But a series like Azumanga Daioh (in particular) is a bit too cultural for a beginner, in my opinion. There are so many cultural jokes in it that might not translate well for a newbie to anime.
 
So I think that the best anime to hook someone with are the anime that combine a bit of both, and pull it off well.
Mm... figures -.-
 
I agree, Cowboy Bebop is another good choice for beginners too. Azumanga Daioh may be a little too cultural for some, but at least it did enough for my taste. Perhaps it's because I'm quite acquainted with some Japanese cultural aspects already, but I wouldn't blame beginners for not knowing either.
 
Ultimately, we all perceive anime very differently. Some may need to watch anime that constantly reach to their expectations, while others are rational enough to accept that each anime is good/bad in its own way. I, on the other hand, may be classified in between those two categories, regularly in contention with each side's contraindications.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2007, 08:52:49 AM »
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pokemon but that doesnt count. so ill go with lain.
Yea...I think I was drunk or really stuffed while writing that, first animes I've watched instead of what I should recommend to new anime watchers.

I tend to separate new comers into two groups. First group is concerned with people who have no idea what anime is, and just wants decent entertainment. I would recommend them cowboy bebop (preferably movie first, then series), samurai champloo, full metal alchemist. They have incredibly wide appeal, there really isn't much people who will dislike it, therefore you'll at least have them interested in that medium. From then on, you can start recommending animes that are more geared towards their tastes. Crest of the stars for sci-fi lovers, ghost in the shells 1st and 2nd series for people who prefers cyberpunk, twelve kingdoms for fantasy and period drama lovers, etc and one piece (although i have yet to see it) for people who are looking for just mindless action and fun.

Second gorup is concerned with people who have this stereotype of 'wat, u wan me 2 c jap cartoon? cartoons r for children. n i hear jap cartoons are all hentais'. I haven't met many of these people but from what I hear, this stereotype is pretty strong. Especially for adults. Therefore you need something strong, something devoid of fanservice and stupid humour that plagues anime to show that anime can be just as high art as live action if made well. So recommending Grave of the fireflies, Kenshin trust and betrayal and Wings of Honneamese here would be my choice. Now and then here and there could work too but at surface it might give impression of a cartoon for children. Also Angel's egg for people who are into artsy movies, kino's journey for people looking for series with existentialistic feel, I guess these choices can't be bad as well.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2007, 12:21:10 PM »
Maybe it's just the people that I tend to talk to, but it has been quite a few years since I've come across people who badly stereotype anime, ie the 'wat, u wan me 2 c jap cartoon? cartoons r for children. n i hear jap cartoons are all hentais' people. It was a lot bigger of an issue, what, 5 years ago? A lot of people aren't like that now. Anime has gotten a lot more mainstream respect in the retail world in America, and those kind of stereotypes are changing.

I don't think that, in the current times, I would worry about someone thinking anime is all boobs, violence, and sex. If I did come across someone like that, why would I want to show them anime? I'm not a masochist.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2007, 01:24:04 PM »
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I don't think that, in the current times, I would worry about someone thinking anime is all boobs, violence, and sex. If I did come across someone like that, why would I want to show them anime? I'm not a masochist.
COMPL3X, you are far too kind.  Like Ariani, I just ignore anyone who has polarized opinions of anime.  

Most people simply cannot be converted to a specific medium.  (This is true with me and black and white film.)  The only real impetus for change is economies of scale.  In other words, more anime fans means more/cheaper anime.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2007, 03:41:46 PM »
Screw it, if someone thinks anime's all boobs and sex, then I'll give them boobs and sex.

*calls Kyo for his copy of Cool Devices*

I mean, seriously, there's no reason for us, as people who know what's going on, to preach to the ignorant. Seriously, let them think whatever they want; not a detriment to my life.
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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2007, 04:02:41 PM »
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Maybe it's just the people that I tend to talk to, but it has been quite a few years since I've come across people who badly stereotype anime, ie the 'wat, u wan me 2 c jap cartoon? cartoons r for children. n i hear jap cartoons are all hentais' people. It was a lot bigger of an issue, what, 5 years ago? A lot of people aren't like that now. Anime has gotten a lot more mainstream respect in the retail world in America, and those kind of stereotypes are changing.

Somewhat I agree, however I've had my fair share of doubters. Read: everyone in my family, half of my friends, actually half of most people I meet. Of course I've only been following anime for like 5 years so I don't know about the past as well as other people. Usually moreso than the violence and profanity is the belief that cartoons are for children, and that anime is simply weird. Although I usually don't try to convince someone like that because far too few people that have such strong opinions will admit they're wrong, at least from my personal experiences.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2007, 04:32:49 PM »
Well, it's not like I have any obligations. And I'm not in any way trying to 'preach' the goodness that is anime to strangers -__-. There are people out there with a reasonable mind, but due to the stereotypes established by the surroundings (dbz etc.), they would just treat anime as just cartoons. It just means they need better examples to convince them otherwise and this has happened once with my brother. He still prefers animes like narutos and bleachs (which he gets off from his friends because I just flat out refused to download for him), but this one time he asked for me for an anime he could use for his a supplementary text in his literature (where I told him 'uh...it's an english subject so I don't think japanese media can be used). So I guess that means he now has a better respect for anime? I don't know :woo:

So yea, call me kind or stupid or too nice if you want, it's not like I'm trying too much.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2007, 05:06:22 PM »
LOL I should totally preach the wonders of anime to the populace in like, a public park. I wonder how much garbage I'd get thrown at me, not to mention I'd look like a cult leader.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2007, 08:31:27 PM »
We'll throw you in jail along with that crazy guy who started AUM Shinrikyo. >_>;;;

This is especially funny to me; my parents absolutely make fun of me every time they see me watching anime, even though they're perfectly aware of the context. The stuff they say to me is different. If in a white family, I'd probably hear stuff like, "Man, how old are you?" or things along that vein.

In my family, "God damn, would you mind fapping to some real chicks?!"
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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2007, 08:06:49 PM »
For my second post:

I'd say Ranma 1/2 would be good for a beginner to watch, if the person is still a bit inexperienced. I remember that it was the title that led me into the anime world, but then, I rewatched it recently to find myself quite bored with it. So I guess interest varies with age and experience.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2007, 08:37:53 PM »
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Screw it, if someone thinks anime's all boobs and sex, then I'll give them boobs and sex.

*calls Kyo for his copy of Cool Devices*

I mean, seriously, there's no reason for us, as people who know what's going on, to preach to the ignorant. Seriously, let them think whatever they want; not a detriment to my life.


I've honestly stopped trying to turn people onto anime if they don't approach me about it first. There isn't any benefit to trying to force someone to like something, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

CDs on its way. Honestly, Cool Devices is basic intro-to-ero-anime if you want to check out that kind of stuff. It comes highly recommended.
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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2007, 07:10:49 AM »
I must say that a majority of people I know, excluding the ones familiar with anime (most likely through me), do think of anime as either childish or str8 up porn. Meaning they don't take the time to strike a happy medium. I really couldn't care less; simply because I think that if someone wasn't willing to check it out as maybe something they'd enjoy, I'd rather not waste my time.

On the flip side, if anyone came up to me asking for a few titles and my opinions, I'd be more than happy to assist them.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2007, 08:40:59 PM »
For a starter, I would recommend Cowboy Beebop, mainly as it was what truly got me into anime. For one, it is 26 episodes, so there is no season of filler episodes. It does not pull punches, and while being an action drama, it has some great comedic episodes as well. It could probably make someone an anime fan over night. Though since then, I've developed a personal distaste for anime exceeding 100 episodes. Those kind always attract kids, but getting through them is a painful ordeal.

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Re: Starting anime
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2008, 11:20:28 AM »
I would have to add to the accolades for Cowboy Bebop, and certainly its suggestion as a great 'starter anime.'

Bebop, more than almost any other series, is cinematic. In its style and execution, almost any viewer can find an identification with through their own personal experience of watching live action films. Paired with this cinematic quality is its ability to appeal to emotion. Within any one episode, there certainly is enough drama, or comedy, or thrill, for any viewer to find value in the series and proceed to the next episode. And with progression comes attachment comes acceptance. In no time, after going through a few feature-length anime films and a few series, you've declared yourself an anime fan.
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