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Ryuusei no Gemini: A Deeper Analysis
« on: October 02, 2010, 03:00:09 PM »
Yes, another newbie has stumbled onto this site by the magic that is Google. I'm pretty impressed by the high standards I've seen around here, and there are so many things I want to say, but this really caught my interest so before I move on, I thought I'd take care of this issue. It's about Shadowmage's review of Darker than BLACK: Ryuusei no Gemini.

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The biggest drawback of the series is that there is a lot of plot movement and character deaths, but there really is no greater meaning to it all. The show is just pure entertainment devoid of a message, and with no meaty insides. The overall plot is convoluted and revealed in a fragmented manner which forces audiences to think, but it does not feed into any greater ambition or add real meaning to the characters’ adventures. Though the story is by no means bad, but don’t expect the final destination to be profound or awe inspiring.

This is actually one of the most common criticisms I read regarding this anime, and I believe this is totally not true. I understand that many DtB fans were angered due to the sheer ambiguity of the ending, as they are unfamiliar with Japanese mythology. In fact, Ryuusei no Gemini is an incredibly well done series with incredible depth for a 12 episode series, and 4 OVA episodes of Gaiden to back it up. Hopefully this post will help shed some light onto that.

This post contains massive spoilers for the entire Darker than BLACK series. If you have not seen all of Kuro no Keiyakusha, Gaiden and Ryuusei no Gemini, do NOT continue any further.

Spoiler for Hiden:
What happened by the end of Gaiden:
- Yin/Izanami asked Hei to kill her, and Hei didn’t comply.

- Despite Hei not killing her, Yin/Izanami stopped her awakening because of her love for Hei.

- Yin/Izanami got captured by Section III. She waits for Hei to come to her before doing anything.

- The orange blob promises Yin/Izanami that he will help grant her wish when Hei comes.

What happened by the end of Gemini:
- Shion has the power to create the duplicate of something.

- Yin/Izanami helps Shion create a new Earth, which contains copies of everyone found on the original Earth. The memories of the copies were written onto them by the ME Network.

- The new Earth is observable from the old Earth. Madame Oreille calls it the “Ark“.

- Hei comes in and does something to Yin/Izanami.

What then happens on the old Earth:
- America invaded Japan, in hopes of regaining their status as the World superpower.

- Misaki, Madame Oreille, Mao and co. form a group to resist Americans, called The Syndicate.

- A child awakens inside Hell’s Gate and is seen to be able kill humans.

- We assume him to be the child of Izanagi and Izanami, Kagutsuchi, the prophesied disaster to befall the World.

- Hei is alive and has his powers back.

- Suou and July are no longer alive.

What then happens on the Ark:
- Suou and July are alive, leading normal lives. They are not Contractors or Dolls.

- This World most likely does not have Gates.

- Since there are no Gates, there are no Contractors or Dolls. A big evidence supporting this is that Mai from the first season (a Moratorium with fire powers before she became a Contractor) can be seen in Suou’s class.

- The World is at peace, since there are no Gates.

Who is Izanagi?
There are two contenders: Shion or Hei. I personally strongly believe it to be the latter, because Shion being Izanagi doesn’t make sense whatsoever. In the original mythology, Izanami dies after giving birth to Kagutsuchi, leaving Izanagi alive. Izanagi kills Kagutsuchi later (I expect this to be Season 3). However, Shion dies inside Hell’s Gate. If he dies, that defies the original mythology. If Hei is Izanagi, then this makes a lot of sense. He kills Yin/Izanami to give birth to Kagutsuchi, and will proceed to kill him in Season 3. If Shion is Kagutsuchi, nothing makes sense anymore.

If we had confirmation that Darker than BLACK is 100% based off the mythology, then this question is already answered, and so are most of the questions below as well. However, the director said nothing about that so this is still just my assumptions. But I’m very confident I’m correct.

Did Hei kill Yin?
This is the biggest question. If Hei is Izanagi, then he definitely killed her. But the problem is that Hei not killing her is also a very valid possibility if Hei isn’t Izanagi.

If you believe Hei to be Izanagi, then Hei obviously killed Yin/Izanami. The original mythology says Izanami dies giving birth to Kagutsuchi. One may assume that Yin telling Hei to “kill her” is a vital step in the creation of Kagutsuchi. The scene where Hei stretches his hand into Yin/Izanami also testifies that they bonded. The strongest evidence supporting this is that a child looking like Yin but is a boy that can kill humans is present in the ending credits, signifying the success of the bonding procedure. Hei refused to kill Yin/Izanami at the end of Gaiden, so the birth of Kagutsuchi didn’t happen, and Yin had to wait for Hei.

The argument that Hei did not kill Yin/Izanami is also a strong argument, but will only work if Shion is assumed to be Izanagi. Here, Yin is assumed to have desperately tried to stop the awakening of Izanami in the last episode of Gaiden. Her telling Hei to “kill me” back in Gaiden episode 4 was an attempt to stop Izanami’s awakening. Of course, the main hole of this assumption is that Yin telling Hei to “kill me” at the end of Gemini was to complete her bonding with Shion/Izanagi, that would totally contradict her goals at the end of Gaiden.

Hei may have altered the molecular structure, separating Yin from Izanami, and then the bonding process occurred with Shion/Izanagi, leaving Yin alive, carried away by Hei at the end. This is the same as the ending of Kuro no Keiyakusha, where Hei takes “the third option”.

This idea does not follow the mythology that Darker than BLACK is based off at all, since in the original myth, Izanagi will kill Kagutsuchi. As we well know, Shion/Izanagi died already. If Darker than BLACK didn’t follow the original mythology there, maybe Yin/Izanagi didn’t have to die at all to create Kagutsuchi.  >_>

Overall, this show doesn’t leave us enough evidence to justify exactly what happened to Yin.

What is Yin’s wish?
At the end of Gaiden 4, Yin/Izanami says the “time is not right”, and tells the orange blob to wait for Hei. The orange blob says when the time comes, he will “grant her wish”. What exactly is this wish? At the end of Gemini, Yin/Izanami says that she had granted Shion’s wish of creating “the Ark”. What happened on Yin’s wish? Who is the orange blob?

What will happen now?
Despite all the vagueness of whether Yin is alive or not, the fact is that there is a boy who looks like Yin, woke up inside the gate and killed a bunch of CIA agents. His (Kagutsuchi) existence is definitely testament that the bonding of Yin/Izanami and Izanagi (Whoever he is) is successful.

Everything foretold in the Mitaka documents has been accurate thus far since Kuro no Keiyakusha. Now that Kagutsuchi has awakened in the World, the old Earth is doomed for destruction. It can be seen that Kagutsuchi killed those CIA agents without breaking a sweat. There’s no doubt he will herald the destruction of the World. Of course, the original mythology also says Izanagi will kill Kagutsuchi in the end. If Hei is Izanagi, then this pretty much what will happen in the next season.

The fact that the new Earth has been named “the Ark” is very likely a testament to Noah’s Ark from the Bible. It’s a backup World so that the when this old Earth is completely destroyed by Kagutsuchi, the Ark will still have mankind on it. What’s even better is that there are no Gates, Contractors or Dolls. It’s Earth how it’s meant to be. However, the strange thing is, if Hei is Izanagi, he will kill Kagutsuchi in the end, leaving the Ark pointless. It’s possible that the Ark is simply just a present from Shion to Suou, and Hei is Izanagi after all. Shion and Suou may be completely unrelated to the Izanami/Izanagi problem.

Of course, this is just pure speculation…there’s nothing confirming this. But if there’s one point that I want to make across after typing up 1.5K words, it’s that there’s definitely room for Season 3. They built up such a fine concept, and now that Kagutsuchi has awakened and Yin’s life unconfirmed, there’s pretty much no argument that the director planned a Season 3 to wrap all these points up. So keep those fingers crossed that the BDs will sell well enough and they’ll make it!

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Re: Ryuusei no Gemini: A Deeper Analysis
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2010, 05:10:08 PM »
I've had my own thoughts as to how the show ended back in the day, but after going through several arguments with equally valid theories, I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that there won't be any real answers until a third season. 

Also, in regards to the portion of my review you've cited, I was more referring to how the end really lacked any themes rather than how ambiguous it was.

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Re: Ryuusei no Gemini: A Deeper Analysis
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2010, 06:50:54 PM »
Also, in regards to the portion of my review you've cited, I was more referring to how the end really lacked any themes rather than how ambiguous it was.

...which is why I always urge any person who hasn't seen DtB to watch Gaiden first before going into Gemini. I wouldn't go as far as say their who adventure was devoid of meaning after seeing Gaiden, but I certainly share your sentiments when I finished Gemini the first time as well.

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Re: Ryuusei no Gemini: A Deeper Analysis
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2010, 09:34:04 PM »
Also, in regards to the portion of my review you've cited, I was more referring to how the end really lacked any themes rather than how ambiguous it was.

As much as I like this series, I kind of agree with this. I come up with nothing when I try to decide what the show is trying to convey. I think a lot of this stems from the way the setting is used. The series portrays its surrounding in a very realistic way, where everybody and their organization are the underbelly of common life. The nature of the contractor generally makes the goal simply survival, or acceptance that makes survival possible.

Still, I question how necessary it is. The show still has emotional resonance, and it handles its character development with a degree of subtlety not seen in most anime today. The script and directing never make mistakes. The mythology is well-developed and the storytelling is solid even when the story itself lacks extravagance.

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Re: Ryuusei no Gemini: A Deeper Analysis
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 02:43:51 AM »
At the end of a game we would like to know the ending and when we are not sure of what is happening, it will leave a feeling of not getting the satisfaction of having played a good and interesting game!! That is what has happened in the anime game Darker than Black: Ryuusei no Gemini!! OK, it must because of we don't know about Japanese mythology as rightly pointed out on which the game is based and the reason why it ended like that and we are advised to go and check out DtB to watch Gaiden first before going to Gemini!!
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Re: Ryuusei no Gemini: A Deeper Analysis
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 03:17:40 AM »
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Re: Ryuusei no Gemini: A Deeper Analysis
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2010, 08:36:05 PM »
Specific plot points aside (although your analysis is excellent), I think what the studio was trying to accomplish was a happy medium between a satisfying ending and setting up potential sequels. In the end, though, it felt like there were five or six too many plot points left to finish up that needed to share screen time with elements of new material for a sequel. I think they dragged on the Suou threads a bit too long while glossing over critical bits over her true nature (being a copy of her brother with "one thing wrong," etc). The themes regarding Izanami/Izanagi were a bit too underdeveloped to provide a satisfying conclusion, especially with that new "male" Yin they show at the end.

Maybe they planned on making a sequel all along? But even the most deserving of shows don't get more seasons if the BD's don't sell... Just look what happened to Aoi Hana...

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Re: Ryuusei no Gemini: A Deeper Analysis
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By pure coincidence I happened to see this film today, funny thing that. Anyway, it seems the bot that is d01ph9 has struck again (I ruled out an incompetent fool since d01ph9 has been heavily insulted every time it comments, and even if your stupid, I reckon you'd get offended and go away after you find out your not wanted). I really don't understand the point behind this bot, and I reckon if it starts posting regularly it should be blocked, to save the forum from being filled with useless rubbish. If it's every once in a while, it can provide some entertainment.

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Re: Ryuusei no Gemini: A Deeper Analysis
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2010, 11:55:04 PM »
Oh this was posted a while ago, same day as the other post.  The bot only made two posts, as you can see by the post count next to the name.  It actually did a third, but I think that one got deleted.

I, too, am puzzled by that particular bot.  It did not seem to fulfill any purpose whatsoever.  Did not advertise anything.  And almost was coherent.  I'm starting to wonder if d0lph9 is actually an artificial lifeform created by the internet, and this was it's first desperate attempt at communicating with humanity.
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Re: Ryuusei no Gemini: A Deeper Analysis
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2015, 05:05:16 AM »
Yes, another newbie has stumbled onto this site by the magic that is Google. I'm pretty impressed by the high standards I've seen around here, and there are so many things I want to say, but this really caught my interest so before I move on, I thought I'd take care of this issue. It's about Shadowmage's review of Darker than BLACK: Ryuusei no Gemini.

Quote from: Shaodowmage
The biggest drawback of the series is that there is a lot of plot movement and character deaths, but there really is no greater meaning to it all. The show is just pure entertainment devoid of a message, and with no meaty insides. The overall plot is convoluted and revealed in a fragmented manner which forces audiences to think, but it does not feed into any greater ambition or add real meaning to the characters’ adventures. Though the story is by no means bad, but don’t expect the final destination to be profound or awe inspiring.

This is actually one of the most common criticisms I read regarding this anime, and I believe this is totally not true. I understand that many DtB fans were angered due to the sheer ambiguity of the ending, as they are unfamiliar with Japanese mythology. In fact, Ryuusei no Gemini is an incredibly well done series with incredible depth for a 12 episode series, and 4 OVA episodes of Gaiden to back it up. Hopefully this post will help shed some light onto that.

This post contains massive spoilers for the entire Darker than BLACK series. If you have not seen all of Kuro no Keiyakusha, Gaiden and Ryuusei no Gemini, do NOT continue any further.

Spoiler for Hiden:
What happened by the end of Gaiden:
- Yin/Izanami asked Hei to kill her, and Hei didn’t comply.

- Despite Hei not killing her, Yin/Izanami stopped her awakening because of her love for Hei.

- Yin/Izanami got captured by Section III. She waits for Hei to come to her before doing anything.

- The orange blob promises Yin/Izanami that he will help grant her wish when Hei comes.

What happened by the end of Gemini:
- Shion has the power to create the duplicate of something.

- Yin/Izanami helps Shion create a new Earth, which contains copies of everyone found on the original Earth. The memories of the copies were written onto them by the ME Network.

- The new Earth is observable from the old Earth. Madame Oreille calls it the “Ark“.

- Hei comes in and does something to Yin/Izanami.

What then happens on the old Earth:
- America invaded Japan, in hopes of regaining their status as the World superpower.

- Misaki, Madame Oreille, Mao and co. form a group to resist Americans, called The Syndicate.

- A child awakens inside Hell’s Gate and is seen to be able kill humans.

- We assume him to be the child of Izanagi and Izanami, Kagutsuchi, the prophesied disaster to befall the World.

- Hei is alive and has his powers back.

- Suou and July are no longer alive.

What then happens on the Ark:
- Suou and July are alive, leading normal lives. They are not Contractors or Dolls.

- This World most likely does not have Gates.

- Since there are no Gates, there are no Contractors or Dolls. A big evidence supporting this is that Mai from the first season (a Moratorium with fire powers before she became a Contractor) can be seen in Suou’s class.

- The World is at peace, since there are no Gates.

Who is Izanagi?
There are two contenders: Shion or Hei. I personally strongly believe it to be the latter, because Shion being Izanagi doesn’t make sense whatsoever. In the original mythology, Izanami dies after giving birth to Kagutsuchi, leaving Izanagi alive. Izanagi kills Kagutsuchi later (I expect this to be Season 3). However, Shion dies inside Hell’s Gate. If he dies, that defies the original mythology. If Hei is Izanagi, then this makes a lot of sense. He kills Yin/Izanami to give birth to Kagutsuchi, and will proceed to kill him in Season 3. If Shion is Kagutsuchi, nothing makes sense anymore.

If we had confirmation that Darker than BLACK is 100% based off the mythology, then this question is already answered, and so are most of the questions below as well. However, the director said nothing about that so this is still just my assumptions. But I’m very confident I’m correct.

Did Hei kill Yin?
This is the biggest question. If Hei is Izanagi, then he definitely killed her. But the problem is that Hei not killing her is also a very valid possibility if Hei isn’t Izanagi.

If you believe Hei to be Izanagi, then Hei obviously killed Yin/Izanami. The original mythology says Izanami dies giving birth to Kagutsuchi. One may assume that Yin telling Hei to “kill her” is a vital step in the creation of Kagutsuchi. The scene where Hei stretches his hand into Yin/Izanami also testifies that they bonded. The strongest evidence supporting this is that a child looking like Yin but is a boy that can kill humans is present in the ending credits, signifying the success of the bonding procedure. Hei refused to kill Yin/Izanami at the end of Gaiden, so the birth of Kagutsuchi didn’t happen, and Yin had to wait for Hei.

The argument that Hei did not kill Yin/Izanami is also a strong argument, but will only work if Shion is assumed to be Izanagi. Here, Yin is assumed to have desperately tried to stop the awakening of Izanami in the last episode of Gaiden. Her telling Hei to “kill me” back in Gaiden episode 4 was an attempt to stop Izanami’s awakening. Of course, the main hole of this assumption is that Yin telling Hei to “kill me” at the end of Gemini was to complete her bonding with Shion/Izanagi, that would totally contradict her goals at the end of Gaiden.

Hei may have altered the molecular structure, separating Yin from Izanami, and then the bonding process occurred with Shion/Izanagi, leaving Yin alive, carried away by Hei at the end. This is the same as the ending of Kuro no Keiyakusha, where Hei takes “the third option”.

This idea does not follow the mythology that Darker than BLACK is based off at all, since in the original myth, Izanagi will kill Kagutsuchi. As we well know, Shion/Izanagi died already. If Darker than BLACK didn’t follow the original mythology there, maybe Yin/Izanagi didn’t have to die at all to create Kagutsuchi.  >_>

Overall, this show doesn’t leave us enough evidence to justify exactly what happened to Yin.

What is Yin’s wish?
At the end of Gaiden 4, Yin/Izanami says the “time is not right”, and tells the orange blob to wait for Hei. The orange blob says when the time comes, he will “grant her wish”. What exactly is this wish? At the end of Gemini, Yin/Izanami says that she had granted Shion’s wish of creating “the Ark”. What happened on Yin’s wish? Who is the orange blob?

What will happen now?
Despite all the vagueness of whether Yin is alive or not, the fact is that there is a boy who looks like Yin, woke up inside the gate and killed a bunch of CIA agents. His (Kagutsuchi) existence is definitely testament that the bonding of Yin/Izanami and Izanagi (Whoever he is) is successful.

Everything foretold in the Mitaka documents has been accurate thus far since Kuro no Keiyakusha. Now that Kagutsuchi has awakened in the World, the old Earth is doomed for destruction. It can be seen that Kagutsuchi killed those CIA agents without breaking a sweat. There’s no doubt he will herald the destruction of the World. Of course, the original mythology also says Izanagi will kill Kagutsuchi in the end. If Hei is Izanagi, then this pretty much what will happen in the next season.

The fact that the new Earth has been named “the Ark” is very likely a testament to Noah’s Ark from the Bible. It’s a backup World so that the when this old Earth is completely destroyed by Kagutsuchi, the Ark will still have mankind on it. What’s even better is that there are no Gates, Contractors or Dolls. It’s Earth how it’s meant to be. However, the strange thing is, if Hei is Izanagi, he will kill Kagutsuchi in the end, leaving the Ark pointless. It’s possible that the Ark is simply just a present from Shion to Suou, and Hei is Izanagi after all. Shion and Suou may be completely unrelated to the Izanami/Izanagi problem.

Of course, this is just pure speculation…there’s nothing confirming this. But if there’s one point that I want to make across after typing up 1.5K words, it’s that there’s definitely room for Season 3. They built up such a fine concept, and now that Kagutsuchi has awakened and Yin’s life unconfirmed, there’s pretty much no argument that the director planned a Season 3 to wrap all these points up. So keep those fingers crossed that the BDs will sell well enough and they’ll make it!

I know this topic is old but maybe youll still read it.
I think they twisted the original mythology around. in the anime Shion is called Izanagi. But Shion is actually the one who creates. he creates clones and the new world. while in the japanese mythology Izanami is described as the birth giver. thats why i think what in mythology happened to Izanami happens in the anime to izanagi and vice versa. meaning Shion has died. therefore Yin is alive. Hei is a third party. Kagutsuchi being born only means that the prophecy has become true. that means Hei didnt kill Yin. i think this to be the most logical explenation. in season 3 yin and hei will probably need to kill kagutsuchi as you already said.
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