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A Certain Scientific Railgun
« on: October 03, 2009, 09:27:06 PM »
Ep. 1

Typical shounen show, but with junior high girls. Junior High. In no time, we see booby-snatching, "panty shots", and other silly sexual humor. Do we need to have a "wild" lesbian? So far the show comes off as half-obnoxious, half-serious--but fully boring. And you just have to love the 'Exposition Episode" that the first episode of almost every series tend to conform to. Why do people whine when we actually get something interesting and creative, like Haruhi or Gungrave's first episodes?

Shirai's seiyuu is annoying. The OP "only my railgun" is more average Engrish fodder.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 06:32:23 PM »
1:

I'm missing something.

Disclaimer:  haven't watched To Aru Majutsu Index (A Certain Magical Index), so if the answers lie there, then well **** me running.

What idiot would do this?

Picture this:  We're going to build a city, a big one!  full of schools!  All schools all the time!  Wait, no, wait, stop me if you've heard this one:  we're gonna use it to create and train kids with superpowers!  I'm not just talking little mind bending things either, I'm talking about kids who can create fire and explosions, kids who can teleport metal through any object (including the human body!), and other kids who can fire coins like rail gun shots creating massive waves of electromagnetic interference and street destroying power.

What's that you say?  Having someone around in a heavy technologically advanced city that relies upon electronics that is able to produce electromagnetic waves at will would be a bad idea?  I don't know what you're on about.  This is anime.  The law of physics will only apply when we need it to.  Oh, and no, no military will be around that will eventually abuse these super humans as weapons of war.  This is purely for science and discovery!  Not for an ulterior motive.  Why would there be anything like that?  Interest?  Return on investment?  What ARE you talking about?

So "Biribiri" is capable of producing a focused electric point similar to the effect of a Jacob's Ladder and propel an object at, well at least, supersonic speeds instantaneously.  The immediate effects are a backlash of electromagnetic waves, immediate force causing distortions in the local area around her, and enough projectile force to put grooves in the pavement..... but it didn't obliterate the car she fired it at.  Nope, just knocked it up and over her and crashed it.

Let me try to paint a picture for y'all about solid objects moving at high velocities:  Rock.  Windshield.  55mph.  A small pebble can cause a solid highly reinforced window to crack at or around 55mph.  Accelerate that to 700mph, and that pebble goes through your car, out the back window, and through probably three more cars behind you.  Bullet technology has advanced since the first inventions to make it so that the projectile can travel through the air with less resistance and speed (a process called "rifling"), and so that the focus of the energy is on the point of impact.  An M16 rifle has a muzzle velocity of roughly 900m/s.  An electromagnetic rail gun would be based on a principle of simply propelling an object forward with a muzzle velocity of about 3500 m/s.  Similarly, the mass of the object being fired would increase or decrease the amount of force involved.

Currently, the US Navy successfully conducted a test back in 2008 of a 10.42 mega Joule rail gun that would have a range of about 200km.  If you're interested in figuring out how much force 10.42 mega Joules is, I suggest talking to a physicist.

Now, here's the other problem:  I realize that we just witnessed not long before Biribiri blew the crap out of the car another dude making fire appear out of nowhere and throwing it around without getting burned.  This guy, however, is a pyrokinetic, so our suspension of disbelief would have us believe that he's able to handle it.  An electromagnetic rail gun would require some serious energy to be coursing around, not to mention the friction of the object moving through the air.  The amount of heat generated by such a thing would melt Biribiri where she stood.  Unless we somehow believe these kids are all able to withstand high degrees of heat.

TL;DR:  super powers are cute and all, but when you put "scientific" and "rail gun" in the title, you're no longer allowed to take as many liberties as you want.  Suspension of disbelief requires us to be given a reason to do so, and so far they haven't done a good job of that.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 07:15:18 PM »
I've always taken the whole "science" claim as a contrast to the "magic" of this world.  ESPer powers that can be measured, analyzed and predicted are put under the category of science and stuff that can't are called magic.  

As for why the train these ESPers, I suppose it has something to do with some underground war between magic and science that random characters mentioned in their secret speeches to secret characters (the show never really got around to expanding the concept so all it did was give an excuse to add a new magic controlling bad guy every arc of Index).    

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2009, 05:07:46 PM »
No "science" in this, this is pretty much just Index with all the annoying characters taken out.  (Except they left Kuroko in).  If they can avoid the lengthy (and often pointless) info-dumps of the first season, then I'll consider this an improvement.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2009, 02:20:29 AM »
I liked Kuroko =(

anyway, it was better than I thought. And I mean, since it's not supposed to be serious, I don't see much point in delving into science of magic or what logic. I like the girls, they're cute and easy to watch. Still seems like one of the retarded species of anime (so far), but whatever.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2009, 04:35:42 AM »
Ep 2

You know what, this is a lot better than Index.  Index took itself way too seriously, and constantly tried to make itself more and more surprising, but only really succeeded at making itself overly convoluted.  This actually fun to watch.  I guess it helps a bit that these are just much more interesting characters than the ones that got most of the screentime in Index.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 04:25:34 PM »
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Kuroko the horny lesbian is by far more interesting than the others.  However, her schtick, bordering upon insane, can't last the whole season.  Characters who have absurd personality quirks can't be funny forever.  I know this is just supposed to be silly, but considering her obsession, how come she hasn't started shouting "GET SOME!" yet?  She's only about 2 steps away from Liang Qi of Canaan, and we know how that turned out.

Sorrow - You're going to be disappointed.  The "plot" is supposed to start next week, according to the manga fags.  So your hope this doesn't take itself seriously is about to go out the window.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 04:10:07 AM »
Yea Kuroko is so naughty, but you need something more to last a season (? how long is it anyway, MAL doesn't say episode length). None of the characters here annoy me so that's good, and animation I think is very good for a show like this. Let's hope it doesn't fail (too hard) when it gets serious?

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2009, 10:47:13 PM »
Episode 3

Plot?  What plot?









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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2009, 01:06:06 AM »
What?  Really?


la la la prism discriminate la la la only my rail gun can shoot la la la la la....
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2009, 05:17:06 PM »
I'm having so much more fun with this than I did with Index.  This is at least staying consistent with the rules it sets.  There were some episodes in Index where they changed the rules almost every two minutes.  Yes, it's light-hearted, and almost self-parody.  That's good, though, since it makes it enjoyable.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2009, 02:41:51 PM »
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I didn't see any of Index, so this stuff with Touma is flying WAY over my head.  The only reason I know he's Touma is I looked it up.  I don't know how this meshes with the other series, but like any rom-com anime where one character seems to inexplicably fall for another, I find this contrived shit to be tedious, boring, and completely unbelievable.  Not that I care, mind you, because I knew there was no way in hell Kuroko was going to tap that ass, but come the **** on.

I will say this, Biribiri's powers are interesting.  It seems the whole "railgun" part of things is just one application of her abilities.  Like the magnetically put together iron-dust sword, with electric vibrational waves... aka a "vibro blade" (another theorized weapon, mostly in fantasy / sci fi settings but there is a possibility of using a weapon that vibrates at supersonic speeds being able to cut something with greater force).  I thought that whole sequence was cool.  It's one thing for super powered heroes and heroines to have abilities, but I often times find that they're used in such boring or literal ways.  Darker than BLACK is pretty good at using character powers in a variety of ways, and so is this.

But let me stress something here.  Earlier I was told there's nothing scientific about this.  Well, yeah, okay, except that Biribiri herself seems to have a problem with non-scientific things.  In this world (I looked this up too) esper powers are more "scientific" because they have logical meaning behind them.  Ergo, the applications of those powers are often just as scientifically backed.  Magic, on the other hand, is less scientific.  So, since Biribiri herself believes in and follows scientific rules, I go back to post one:

How the **** isn't she burned to a crisp by the friction force of "firing" an electromagnetic rail gun?

Hey, it's their ****ing rules, not mine.  They want to be scientific, I'm going to hold them to it.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2009, 02:07:28 AM »
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I didn't see any of Index, so this stuff with Touma is flying WAY over my head.  The only reason I know he's Touma is I looked it up.  I don't know how this meshes with the other series, but like any rom-com anime where one character seems to inexplicably fall for another, I find this contrived shit to be tedious, boring, and completely unbelievable.  Not that I care, mind you, because I knew there was no way in hell Kuroko was going to tap that ass, but come the **** on.

I will say this, Biribiri's powers are interesting.  It seems the whole "railgun" part of things is just one application of her abilities.  Like the magnetically put together iron-dust sword, with electric vibrational waves... aka a "vibro blade" (another theorized weapon, mostly in fantasy / sci fi settings but there is a possibility of using a weapon that vibrates at supersonic speeds being able to cut something with greater force).  I thought that whole sequence was cool.  It's one thing for super powered heroes and heroines to have abilities, but I often times find that they're used in such boring or literal ways.  Darker than BLACK is pretty good at using character powers in a variety of ways, and so is this.

But let me stress something here.  Earlier I was told there's nothing scientific about this.  Well, yeah, okay, except that Biribiri herself seems to have a problem with non-scientific things.  In this world (I looked this up too) esper powers are more "scientific" because they have logical meaning behind them.  Ergo, the applications of those powers are often just as scientifically backed.  Magic, on the other hand, is less scientific.  So, since Biribiri herself believes in and follows scientific rules, I go back to post one:

How the **** isn't she burned to a crisp by the friction force of "firing" an electromagnetic rail gun?

Hey, it's their ****ing rules, not mine.  They want to be scientific, I'm going to hold them to it.
I think Sorrow meant no science as in, like, no science that we should be taking seriously...

I don't disagree that it's contrived but they're doing a good job making it fun and not boring or annoying for me, or at least not yet.

I think this series is easier to forgive for me than Darker than Black because the latter was supposed to be much more serious. I really didn't like the fact that they were using these weird abilities to fight when they are so much more efficient with a gun for example (not to mention that they had to pay a 'price' after using ability. I know it's all symbolism etc etc but it felt jarring and almost as if they were there as one of those unique 'abilities' anime have to have these days.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2009, 03:24:28 AM »
Yeah, TIF, I think you need to levy it more suspension of disbelief.  I don't think you can fault it too hard for defying real world physics just because of Misaka's attitude towards urban legends.  As long as they're clear and consistent about what characters can and can't do... which is something, funnily enough, that the first series completely failed at.

Is it just me, or is Touma even more of a git here than he was in the first season?  Also, I was a bit annoyed at the ret-con, even if it was minor.  That wasn't how Misaka and Touma met, IIRC.  Well, not how the first season told it, anyway.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2009, 12:09:20 AM »
Is it just me, or is Touma even more of a git here than he was in the first season?  Also, I was a bit annoyed at the ret-con, even if it was minor.  That wasn't how Misaka and Touma met, IIRC.  Well, not how the first season told it, anyway.


If I recall correctly, Touma got amnesia pretty early in Index which led Touma version 2 to pretty much walk on egg shells throughout the series since he didn't want to hurt those associated with his former self.  Considering that both Touma and the Accelerator both got amnesia, I wouldn't be surprised if Misaka bops her head by the end of this  (or we can simply be in an alternate universe).

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2009, 03:04:45 AM »
I thought she already had amnesia.  That scene in the second episode where she tries to attack Touma for the first time, she's standing out in the alleyway afterward with a really dazed expression on her face.  She could just be daydreaming about someone repelling her attack, but it seemed more like she was snapping back into consciousness.

The intro also has that scene where Touma walks past but she turns and he's gone (replaced by the oh so adorably naughty Kuroko teleporting in).  So I think you're going to get just that.

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Yeah, TIF, I think you need to levy it more suspension of disbelief.  I don't think you can fault it too hard for defying real world physics just because of Misaka's attitude towards urban legends.  As long as they're clear and consistent about what characters can and can't do... which is something, funnily enough, that the first series completely failed at.

I'm just going by the rules of this universe.  I will nitpick as I see fit.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2009, 04:00:55 AM »
I just realised this but this series is directed by Nagai Tatsuyuki. Maybe he's challenging himself by trying to salvage most out of more and more mediocre series at a time? (H&C II -> Toradora -> Railgun) 

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2009, 04:25:22 AM »
I just realised this but this series is directed by Nagai Tatsuyuki. Maybe he's challenging himself by trying to salvage most out of more and more mediocre series at a time? (H&C II -> Toradora -> Railgun) 

You thought H&C2 was mediocre?
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2009, 05:47:29 AM »
Well if 10/10 means mediocre yea HC II is mediocre. I was just trying to say he's been adapting works that were more mediocre than hisp previous work (i.e. Toradora being not as mature as HC II, and Railgun being not as touching as Toradora. Just started Toradora btw).

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2009, 09:21:27 PM »
Ah.  I think I misunderstood your statement.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2009, 10:27:57 PM »
The intro also has that scene where Touma walks past but she turns and he's gone (replaced by the oh so adorably naughty Kuroko teleporting in).

Nah, that's just a reference to the first Index OP (0:25 - 0:30)

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2009, 01:48:01 AM »
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Fluff background piece.  That "Equal Speed" power was kind of neat.  A power that basically eliminates inertia.  Now you're talking.

My only real bitch about this episode is, once again, with Biribiri's power.  Kuroko mentions that she's a level 5 by this point in the flashback, and we see Misaka just wontonly fire her railgun into the bank.  I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she could see into the bank with the hole that Equal Speed guy made, but wouldn't that still be stupid as hell?  "Hostage situation?  Fire WMD!"

Not only that, but how'd she get that in there past the onlooking crowd without either A) hitting anybody or B) being seen.  Obviously Kuroko and Equal Speed guy could see her shot coming past them.

Blargh.  Minor beef, I suppose, and not really related to her powers so much as a rather bad scene direction.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2009, 03:29:24 AM »
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Fluff background piece.  That "Equal Speed" power was kind of neat.  A power that basically eliminates inertia. 
Isn't it eliminating opposing force? (since without opp. object will travel at same v due to inertia...or thats what i remember from high school)

Anyway, Mikoto's lack of self-awareness of her power was staggering from epi 1...I think the highlight for me was when she was throwing countless bolts of electricity at that guy she's tsundere for...you know, how it can pretty much kill him (if it lands on him) but saying it's ok because it won't work anyway...x_X (I mean...using sand blade on him means she actually wanted to kill him right?...-__-). I am tempted to blame it more on the source than the direction though, but who knows I didn't read the manga after all.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2009, 01:11:58 AM »
Ep 6

I think it's just about time to stop comparing this anime with Index, since the amount of enjoyment I'm getting from watching this far outstrips the enjoyment level I got from Index.  Is it a good anime?  I'm not sure I want to say that just yet, it's still yet to really delve into anything serious (although it looks like that's just around the corner), and the test for this show will be making the serious stuff engaging and interesting, since that's what Index failed at.

But, for now, this is lots of fun (and, at times, rather sweet).  I think the only episode of this so far that I haven't liked on some level was the one with Touma in it (something to do with my semi-accurate comment earlier that this is just Index with all the annoying characters taken out... "semi-accurate" because it's fortunately been more than that).

Lots of little things in this episode, too, like Misaka's sore loser attitude motivating her, and Saten instantly getting what Misaka took the entire episode to figure out, ie, that being in Judgement is hard.  And, on another note, I've really grown quite fond of the ED too.  J.C. Staff have this habit of using ED themes that just fit, perfectly.  This one too, IMO.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2009, 02:45:16 AM »
I am so sick of Misaka having to be saved by Touma all the time.  It's happened in this series, it happened three or four times in the last series.  She's a level 5, surely she can look after herself.  And she can most of the time, but whenever Touma is anywhere in the vicinity, she suddenly becomes incapable.  Dear writers, can we have Misaka save Touma for once?  It'd be a refreshing change, and far more plausible.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2009, 06:26:12 PM »
How dare you ask Japan to not be misogynist.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2009, 06:38:09 PM »
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Well, we should have figured out that the Level Upper was music based.  Graviton dude's headphones didn't spell it out or anything.  Now little Saten is going to listen and BOO HA HA!  POWERZ!

BTW, I scoffed at Uiharu's comment about cheating.  I realize the Japanese have a certain appreciation for processes and legitimacy, but **** that bullshit.  This all comes down to the same arguments that people make about artificial enhancements of any sort.  Is it "fair"?  **** fair.  You get one life and one chance to make the most of it.  Everybody else has an equal chance to do exactly what you did to reach your goals.  The only thing stopping you is morality.  Ambition is not the lack of integrity, but if integrity gets in the way of what you want to accomplish, reevaluate your moral fiber.

Can't see well?  Get glasses or lasik surgery.  Is that cheating?  No it isn't.
Can't play sports well?  Do steroids.  Is it cheating?  No it isn't.  You accept the risks of your actions.
Can't beat someone directly?  Ambush them.  Is it cheating?  Only to the ****er getting ambushed.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2009, 06:10:33 AM »
Can't play sports well?  Do steroids.  Is it cheating?  No it isn't.  You accept the risks of your actions.
Wait, what do you mean by "cheating"?  Because if you get caught, surely that's cheating by whatever the rules of the sport are.  If you don't get caught, I guess that's open to debate.

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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2009, 02:59:31 AM »
Wait, what do you mean by "cheating"?  Because if you get caught, surely that's cheating by whatever the rules of the sport are.  If you don't get caught, I guess that's open to debate.

Oh, I guess I should have specified.  I mentioned the steroids issue because my favorite sport, baseball, has been having a recent brouhaha about them.  They're illegal now, but they weren't back then.  But it hasn't stopped fans from declaring those players "cheaters", even though cheating has been a part of baseball since the game started.

Steroids are illegal now in every major sporting event except Pro Wrestling.  I still don't like using the term "cheating", but it is rule or law breaking behavior.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2009, 09:57:04 PM »
Ep 10

So the big bad has been revealed as Kiyama, and really I shouldn't be so surprised.  She's been suspicious since her first appearance in the OP, but in the more recent episodes they've been able to distract attention away from that fairly well.

Oh man, this was a rather emotional episode.  There was hardly a character that either didn't cry or have a bravado-filled inspirational speech.  The way Saten was talking about Level Upper, it was like she was describing a drug that she'd shared with her friends despite knowing that it's bad (...mm'kay).  But I felt bad for Saten.  She's pretty much my favourite character in a show where I like almost all of the characters.  I don't think I ever really felt for the characters during Index.  Rarely at most.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2009, 07:42:09 PM »
It seems like this series is now hitting the srs business mode. Not sure if that's a good idea in long run but Kasai did pretty good job handling both lighter and heavier elements in this episode.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2009, 09:34:54 PM »
Does one have to watch the previous season to have any semblance of an idea of just what the **** is going on?

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2009, 09:53:33 PM »
It helps.  But this is one of those rare cases where I'd recommend the second season before recommending the first.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2009, 02:09:11 AM »
Ep 11

Man, what the hell.  I was with this to a certain point, but the minute they had an opportunity to play the "anything goes" card, they couldn't resist.  This ep felt like an Index ep more than any other in the series to date, even the ones with Touma in them.  I mean, what the hell was with the giant fetus coming out of Kiyama's back.  I'm guessing they'll explain it in the next episode, but probably in the same obtuse exposition style that weighed down the first series.  That's not good writing, that's just covering up for randomness while simultaneously slowing down the momentum of the story.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2009, 04:51:27 AM »
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Having not seen Index, I actually enjoyed the hell out of this particular episode.  Actually, I have to say that overall I've been enjoying Railgun far more than my bitchings about the scientific aspects of it have let on.  I have enjoyed the characters, the directing, and the logical course that it has taken, story wise.  I enjoy that what started off as a "throw-a-way" episode about urban myths has become something far more real and sinister.  Instead of having everything spoon fed to us, we were actually forced to pay attention.  How many of you really paid much heed to Saten's off-handed remark about a Level Upper way back then?

Anyway, I had Kiyama pegged as an anti-hero more than a villain, in the truest sense of the term.  "Anti-Hero" gets tossed around a lot to characters who don't fit the mold.  The true anti-hero disregards all laws and rules for the sake of whatever needs to be done.  It doesn't even have to be a "just" thing, it can be as selfish as revenge.  Anti-heroes aren't bad people, but society would have a hard time judging them as anything but.  Kiyama's venture is certainly deplorable, but the rules don't matter to her, except her own.  She wont hurt the people she's used, but she will accomplish her goals.

As for the fetus thing, I just thought that was cool.  It was cool because it's a giant ghost fetus thing coming out of nowhere, which is creepy and horrifying.  It was also cool because it scared the shit out of Biribiri.  I don't know how often we see it in films, comics, and anime, but it always seems that the most bizarre and terrifying things that the characters come across are brushed off without much thought.  Misaka lives in a world of espers, where the impossible becomes possible and one has to have an open mind about weirdness.  And yet, here she is, knowing full well the horrors of ability users and such, faced with something she flat out can't comprehend.

And what a way to end the episode.  Fetus screams a truly hideous sound that would send shivers up the most steeled nerves, fade to black.  Until next week, we don't know what the hell that thing is going to do.  That's a cliffhanger.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2009, 09:32:34 AM »
This ep felt like an Index ep more than any other in the series to date, even the ones with Touma in them. 

Not really.  Index had a bad habit of showing a fight scene then literally pausing for 10 minutes while the characters stand around talking about the science behind their abilities, their motives, followed by Touma's rejection to their ideology.  Railgun follows the shounen action route where characters give explanations while they fight which means that while the dialogue is a mess it's extremely easy to tune out in lieu of the the pretty colors flying across the screen.  Oh yeah,and I'm actually sympathetic to Kiyama's motive due in no small part to the fact that it actually made sense (unlike some of the explanations in Index).   

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2009, 05:57:29 AM »
Ok few quick points

- I liked the fights. Nothing mind blowing but its ok, at least they were well animated, few creative sparks. Would've preferred more intensity and better choregraphy but nvm.

- Like sorrow-k, i really dont like the writing. 1. that fetus crap, que the eyes rolling. 2. **** not another flashback for our helpless villain. anyway that story was so fuking forced down my throat. o look at this cute little girl, oh teacher i trust you, *brain splat* oh no i can't believe i killed that adorable child who trusted me, and who took bath with me too! and god, check out that old fag grinning. I just think the source material really is BAD (without having even read it, I know I'm a psychic so sue me), and more they ignore anything too serious better off they will be.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2009, 04:08:48 AM »
12:

I'm guessing since the next episode looks like your typical fanservice finale, that this is the "last" episode.  I don't know if they'll do more with the Railgun spin-off, so perhaps this is only the end of this season.  In any event...

I liked this episode for a lot of reasons, but at the same time there were a few things that bugged me.  Yes, two of them are scientific related.  I'm not giving up on the absurdity of the science in this show.  I can accept certain things, like people having powers in the first place.  I do not accept that they can simply warp reality because it's convenient.  Hollywood does this all the time for special effects and for moments when the absurd is used to create a false sense of wonder.  Pseudo-science is one thing... flat out crank bullshit is another.

First science problem:

I bitched a while ago about electricity, energy, and friction.  Yes, the same electricity, energy, and friction that helped Misaka burn away the AIM Burst thing.  It's real simple, either her powers follow the same rules as electricity or they don't.  Everything I've seen leads me to believe that it is supposed to.  The applications of the powers I'm not really griping about.  Magnetizing and hyper-vibrating iron particles is cute.  Shooting a coin at the standard electromagnetic rail gun muzzle velocity of 3000 km/s is neato and badass.  Saying that electricity can shock people but not burn them to smithereens is retarded.  I get that Misaka can control her voltage and has been holding back a lot of her "amps", as it were, but after all this, nobody has so much as a second degree burn.  Not to mention her own clothing.

Second science problem (and general pseudoscience gripe):

What's with the nuclear testing facility?  Was that really necessary?  I mean, considering they were on the outskirts of the city, that's probably where you'd put one, but isn't that awfully damned convenient to create a false sense of tension?  Is the paranoia about anything nuclear just never going to go away?  It's becoming a lazy crutch of the ultra paranoid story writer.  "Insert nuclear facility!  Gain 2,000 points of drama!".

And what would the AIM Burst thing do with it?  Just bulldoze through it?  Let's assume for five seconds that it somehow accidentally finds the reactor chamber or anything remotely important to producing a nuclear effect, what's the worst that could happen?  I'm assuming since there was NOBODY around that the facility was abandoned or not operational.  Do nuclear test facilities just leave hazardous waste laying about to be tromped through by the next monster that comes along?  Were the reactor left on that would allow for a meltdown to occur?  Don't people realize that when a reactor melts down, it doesn't ****ing explode?  I swear, nuclear facilities are put into movies and such just to create catastrophe.  They're not that un-****ing-safe, people.  And the folks who work at them are not idiots.  Incidents like Chernobyl and Three-Mile Island are exceptions and both of them were caused by extreme stupidity.

Last but not least, a nuclear facility?!  Jesus Christ, if Misaka can control electromagnetism, she has the ability to turn whatever is behind her into a god damned weapon of mass destruction.  Want some dense metals?  Pull out the Uranium-235!  Plow some of that into the monster and see how much fun it has.  You're already capable of projecting a solid object at speeds greater than sound, go find the particle accelerator, rev it up a few notches, and irradiate the ****ing thing.

Third problem (non science):

Power levels bug me to no end.  I know that we have to have villains and heroes, but it seems like more often than not power levels get used as a lazy way of trying to establish a false sense of "sports drama".  Y'know, the David vs. Goliath type shit.  Except that with power levels, you can't overcome Goliath unless you somehow find either the will, the hidden power, or the secret training or technique that will let you become Goliath.  David can never win.

The whole bit with Kiyama-sensei remarking about Misaka's power is just a prime example.  If she hasn't been serious this entire season, then why have we bothered having any fighting at all?  I'm sure that Index had more of this kind of shit, and it's not like Railgun needed it, so why bother?  Just do the girls living life in the academy thing and the whole Level Upper mystery bit and blammo.

It is interesting that this season has given us two really good anti-heroes.  Kiyama-sensei's last line is pretty much the definition of it.  She has no regard for the rules, even now after everything that has happened.  She really wasn't a bad character, and it seems as though someone else has taken a notice in her work.

The other anti-hero this season, btw, is Hamyuts Messeta.  Oh **** yeah.

Anyway, as final episodes go it was pretty good.  Wrapped up everything nice and neat, the fighting and powers were creative and cool, gave us a good "d'aww" moment, Misaka learned an after-school special lesson, and set up possible future events.  All in all Railgun was a good time, gripes about science or no gripes about science.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2009, 05:46:46 AM »
It's 24 episodes.  Yeah, colour me surprised too.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2009, 05:52:43 AM »
I'm with TIF, this last episode was so much better than I expected. Ok I still think the fetus thing was lame, and so was the conveniently placed nuclear plant. I'm not a fan of power levels too but I think it was good that Misaka didn't use her full power, because she was trying to defeat Kiyama without killing her. Although of course, it was more likely to create suspense and make it more DORAMATIC when we realises that *gasp* misaka is even stronger than we thought! The thing is, I don't have as much complaints this time because it actually worked, it really was dramatic and it created that sense of awesome power. I had an impression that there wasn't THAT much dif between Misaka and Kuroko, but this battle really puts things to the right scale, misaka kicks that much harder than kuroko.

And yea, why isn't this last episode again?

So ok, like TIF I enjoyed this, the question is where is this headed now? I'm guessing there's another srs bns ahead (from what we can tell from the terrifying foreshadowing~ near the end), hopefully they can still tread that line between heaviness and lightness, because it's a very fine line to cross, and not many can cross it without falling flat on its face.

I also noticed that there wasn't much romance and tsundere moments between Mikoto and that guy whos name I care not remember. I'm guessing that's a good sign, although I kinda miss her tsundere mode.

And props for great animation so far, the looks have been great. Also for making the main characters pleasant to watch.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2009, 07:31:43 AM »
I've had plenty of tsundere Mikoto, because that's all she was in the first season.  I much prefer this GAR Mikoto, who kicks ass and takes things on (well, she did do those things in the first season, but she's doing them way more now).

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2009, 04:29:14 AM »
See, I'm with Sorrow when it comes to Touma and Misaka... I don't really want to see it.  I realize that she's the resident tsundere in the Index series, but this is HER spinoff.  Why she is still having to be relegated to that mode at seemingly random points just irks me.  And this is coming from someone who hasn't SEEN Index.  Just the brief periods of their interaction lead me to believe that Index's Misaka Mikoto would annoy the shit out of me.  It's such a huge step away from her usual self, especially the character we're getting here, that it becomes completely unbelievable.

"Love makes us do funny things".  Bull.  Shit.  Misaka is supposed to be a much more confident character than this.  Hell, by the end of Railgun, we also see that she has been given a wakeup call to the reality of the world.  I refuse to believe someone who is capable of such introversion can be marginalized to the degree of a harem archetype.  It's annoying to even consider it.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2009, 07:13:58 AM »
Guess I can't complain too much about episode 13 (kinda wish Kuroko and Mikoto swapped swimming suits). Peeling tomato and Space Odyssey reference ftw~

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2009, 08:43:29 PM »
FANSERVICE EPISODE!

Meh.  I like these girls, but I can't say I find any of them terribly attractive (although Saten will be cute when she's older).  The Space Odyssey reference was good.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2009, 02:32:01 AM »
I think it was just funny that Kuroko ended up with the bone.  So many conclusions I can draw form that...

Misaka moe moment, and of course Touma sees it.

BTW, snakes don't like being petted or rubbed.  With the way their eyes are laid out, they don't see too much coming from behind their heads, and when they do they can get startled easily.  If they respond to you at all it's because you're warm or because of something moving near them.  They do, however, like to climb and will crawl up your arm and drape around your head (it's warm there).
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2009, 07:23:53 AM »
I know I'm one season behind and this is only tenuously related, but dear god SK, how on earth did you sit through Majutsu without attempting to force your hand through the screen and crushing Index's skull into fine powder? Yea sure, Touma is your generic lead shounen dolt, but ye gods, Index is quite possibly the most irritating anime character I've seen in the last two years.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2009, 07:42:38 AM »
Index is fine.  She's just a pointless moe blob.  She goes missing for half the series anyway, so it's all ok.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2010, 10:42:54 PM »
Okay... I'd been balking on it, but I am now watching Index and just passed episode 14, which ends the MISAKA arc involving Accelerator.

I now realize that somewhere in Railgun we're going to be told the story of how Mikoto became aware of the MISAKA network and her futile attempts to shut it down.  I would also like to know how she got such a personality switch as to believe that she could throw away her life so easily.  Nothing in Railgun has led me to believe that she would come to that conclusion.  She's the kind of person who would explore every option first.  Index would also have us believe that Kuroko is not aware of the MISAKA network, and Mikoto's decision, because there's no way in hell she'd just sit idly by and let "Oneesama" wander off to die.

So, I guess we're going to have to be told how it is Misaka Mikoto could keep all this a secret, even from her dearest friends.  We've already had a bit of a continuity problem regarding how Touma and Mikoto met and their fight.  I also think Railgun Mikoto is a lot more irritated with it than Index Mikoto is, but who knows what passage of time we've had here.  We can infer from the Touma meetings that most of the events of Railgun take place between the first and the sixth episode of Index (Where Index destroys Tree Diagaram).  If that's the case, Mikoto has been a VERY busy girl.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2010, 03:44:41 PM »
Railgun 14:

Thank God, an anime that doesn't suck.  The new season is so far not impressing me in the slightest, so it's nice to have a familiar friend sticking around.

This is the Star Trek: TNG episode "Family" done for relevance in Railgun.  Too often a character will have a great and traumatic experience in a story arc and then after the conclusion everything will be just fine hunky dory.  No lasting effects.  No lingering doubts.  No pain.  Everything just moves on as casually as it can.  The TNG episode "Family" was supposed to be a time for everyone to reconcile what had recently happened with The Borg (and specifically Captain Picard).  This episde "Special Lesson" was designed to help Saten get over her own experiences with the Level Upper and any lingering guilt she had about using it.  The episode is basically giving her a reason to go on with new resolve and confidence.  Not just her, I suppose, but all the others present as well.

It was also probably an excuse to use some Index characters.

After finishing Index, I now realize what it is I like more about Railgun:  the writing, character interactions, and pacing is so much ****ing better here.  To illustrate the point about the difference, Index's Touma goes through some serious shit, but there was never an episode like this to give someone pause and a deep breath.  Hell, somehow, Touma is always "just fine" after every battle (save the one where he lost his memories, a stupid and under-utilized plot device).
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2010, 07:42:13 PM »
I'm not sure why you think the events of Railgun had to happen before ep 6 of Index.  I mean, the continuity is a bit shaky anyway, but other than Touma's amnesia (which he does a pretty good job of covering up), I can't see anything to suggest this.

As for ep 14, yeah, another really good episode.  As you say, it's breathing space, a chance to show us some of the consequences of the Level Upper ordeal, and a chance to really understand Saten (which they've done really well... you know what I said earlier about her being one of the best written characters in the entire franchise).

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2010, 10:26:12 PM »
In episode 6 of Index, Index fires a magical beam that destroys a satellite in orbit.  We come to find out this orbiting satellite is the supercomputer known as Tree Diagram.  They mention several times later in Index about it being destroyed (especially during the Accelerator arc).

Kiyama-sensei, in episode 11 as she's driving with Uihara, mentions that she was granted access to use Tree Diagram.  In 12 she claims she was going to use it to help come up with scenarios.  So the events of Railgun HAVE to happen before episode 6 of Index... assuming they want to keep anything resembling continuity.

Touma also recalls the first meeting he had with Mikoto as happening in a family restaurant (before he lost his memory).  Mikoto recalls it differently (it was in front of a closed store of some sort).  It is possible that their meeting was quite a while ago.  This would mean that Index herself hasn't even shown up in Academy City yet.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2010, 06:27:43 AM »
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Random filler episode.  I was going to put a lot of thought into the appearance of Index and Komoe-sensei's comments about the roof her apartment being blown off, but I realized that this episode's continuity doesn't matter in a lot of ways.  As a filler, it could fit anywhere.  It doesn't have to be right after the previous episode of Railgun, nor even in Railgun at all.  This could have fit anywhere in the Index universe after certain events have happened.  Thus, trying to proclaim anything about where Railgun is in relation to Index based on this episode would be moot.

However, if it was, it would obviously be somewhere after episode six of Index.  Judging by Aisa Himegami's appearance (complete with magic blocking cross), this has to take place well after her story arc as well.  I'm not really sure what import the girl with the locket has on the Index universe, but I'm guessing that was another plug to something that required referencing.  The picture of the girl in the locket looks a bit like Misaka, but not quite.

Oh, as for the episode itself:  meh.  Tessou-sensei is not exactly someone I find interesting, and the lighthearted filler was only humorous while Komoe-sensei was ordering bizarre foods.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2010, 04:27:44 AM »
Yeah episode 17 was meh for me as well. 15 and 16 were little better. Loved the remark on 'so it did turn into a boob talk...in not so perverted way', describes well how I feel about the show's treatment of its content (which isn't too far from other generic action/moe/fanservice/comedy anime). I usually dislike those anime not because I hate tits and explosions, it's because they're done so poorly and in bad taste, which is not the case for me in Railgun (well, most of the time).

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2010, 04:20:12 AM »
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This being the fourth filler in a row, I'm starting to wonder what the problem is.  I mean, there's at least one big story regarding Misaka that has yet to be told, and it's not as if you couldn't do another story arc like the Level Upper thing, so what gives?  Are they intentionally pacing out so that there is a last arc that climaxes with the last episode or are they going to run the rest of this season out and go balls to the wall with another season focusing on a plot?

Regardless, this episode fits right after episode 6 of Index (Touma shows up and his memories are gone, not recognizing Misaka at all) and before the MISAKA / Accelerator arc.

So maybe we've been seeing some fillers that do fit into the continuity.  I'd been thinking it really doesn't matter since fillers are fillers, but if they're still trying to maintain a sense of concurrentness, then the discovery of the MISAKA Network cannot be very far off.
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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2010, 06:28:53 AM »
Well, I liked 19. I've already forgotten what the big story is going to be anyway. But I can imagine myself frustrated to no ends if I marathoned instead.

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« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2010, 09:00:04 AM »
So maybe we've been seeing some fillers that do fit into the continuity.  I'd been thinking it really doesn't matter since fillers are fillers, but if they're still trying to maintain a sense of concurrentness, then the discovery of the MISAKA Network cannot be very far off.
From what I'm hearing, the anime has pretty much abandoned the canon timeline and has gone AU.  The show may refocus on something for the final episodes, but it'll probably be filler for a while.  But then again, onsidering that the more serious arcs (of Index) were at best hilariously overblown melodramas with as much subtlety as Elfen Lied, I like that Railgun has just stuck to being light, disposable fun.

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Re: A Certain Scientific Railgun
« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2010, 03:44:24 AM »
episode 21

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