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Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« on: April 05, 2009, 07:56:29 AM »
Episode 1 (RAW)

This is an episode that introduces a bulk of the characters, their motivations and their various personality quirks.  Since the episode crams so darn much into one episode, the flow of events feel awkward, and the various gags don't feel quite as charming.  It's as if the creators were checking off a massive "things to do list", and creating a plot around this list. 

The change in Seiyuu works for the side characters, but I miss the old character's voices since they've come to grow on me.  Oh well, with Miki Shinichiro switch (Kurz Weber in Full Metal Panic!), Roy Mustang is an even smoother talker, which I suppose works.  From what I've heard from the the commercials, the only voice I'm probably going to have a problem with is probably Scar.  I loved the deep, pounding voice of the original actor and I wonder if the new one will fit the bill quite as nicely.  I suppose I should cut my losses and be happy that at least they've kept Hughes and Armstrong alone.

Overall, this episode makes me wonder if they are even going to go over the Lior arc and the train arc at all since all important information for those story lines have already been introduced.  It would be interesting to skip over the parts where the manga and the anime overlap, but I wonder if there is enough material in the manga to truly do this.  I suppose time will tell.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2009, 11:23:06 AM »
First person that whines about the ending animation gets pinched.  Caused a minor and stupid shitstorm amongst the fanbase last night when it aired.

Seriously people.  Nobody cares.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2009, 02:15:38 PM »
It looks like BSS/GG and Shinsen are going to sub this despite the fact that Funimation acquired the license and rights to the show.  So, that is a pretty nice thing to know, especially since both groups have done quality stuff before.

For the episode, the animation is better then the original anime and it was quite nice to watch.  It also seemed a tad quick paced in its delivery.  Although, I actually feel differently in this being a pretty good introductory episode myself.  I think the staff felt that people already knew a good deal about FMA so that they could use this as the debut.

Vocal-wise, I don't like the OP especially since it reeks of the mediocrity or worse heard from Gundam 00.  The end theme is actually not too bad itself since it was rather listenable and already better then a lot of recent anime themes.  But, I didn't think much of the animation sequence for the ED since it kind of brought back memories of when I used to watch Stick Figure death animations online.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2009, 04:05:07 PM »
I guess I'll be the only one waiting for Funimation to upload the eps. I think my current backlog and Shin Mazinger should keep me busy for a few days. Now if only that would be subbed already.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2009, 03:12:44 AM »
Keep in mind that it wasn't until about the third episode of the first series that we got the first really strong indication that FMA was going to be a lot more than just a decent shounen action series.

My question after watching this is, how many episodes is this series going to be, because this did feel hastily thrown together.  It's gonna take a bit of time to get used to the new seiyuu as well (minor quibble).

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2009, 08:53:50 AM »
ANN states that it will be 13 episodes, although this sounds a little preposterous. I reckon it's longer; it has to be. Plus - my own quibble - I've been hearing people saying that this isn't as good as it turn out to be (although just one episode) but are they honestly judging it based on the first season, or on its own merit? If it's the former, then they need to revise their perceptions.

And I actually like the opening, it fits the series somewhat... or maybe it's just my inner Yui fan speaking.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2009, 03:47:19 PM »
Right now my guess is that the first 13 episodes will whiz past everything the original anime did for the first 20 to 30 episodes and go straight to the Greed arc after a few more introductory episodes (or perhaps a condensed version of the first 20 to 30 episodes followed by the Greed arc). I'm guessing this because Greed was introduced in the OP, and this arc is where the anime and manga really start to diverge. 
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 09:04:38 PM »
I would not be surprised if there was a second season or more to the series due to sheer popularity alone.  Not that it would be a bad thing since some animes work best in those kinds of doses.  At the sametime, I would also guess that the anime is going to stay strictly faithful to the manga, so the 13 episode announcement is not suprising in that regard either.  The manga as far as I can remember is still unfinished and not even close for that matter.  I am not even sure if the thing reached 100 chapters yet either.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 09:45:44 PM »
ANN doesn't actually say anything about an episode count, so I'd say that either 26 or 52 are still reasonable guesses.  The unverified word on the street is that the manga will finish after 100 chapters, and that's expected to happen sometime during the course of the anime, whether it's 26 or 52 eps.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2009, 12:48:23 AM »
A bit slow it seems since I just got around to watching it.  Nice way to put us in the middle of things, but far too many short jokes in that timespan in the very beginning.  It was becoming lame until the action finally got under way.

Oh well, I wasn't paying attention to the content of the episode as much as I paid attention to the music.  If anyone had any doubts about Ooshima not being on board, I think the first episode gives us a hint of how well Senju can hold his own.  Now pardon me while I go into fanboy mode and listen to some of his past works...

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2009, 01:19:16 AM »
I dunno if I'm sold yet because I wasn't really too pleased with the episode as a whole. Too many characters were introduced in only 20 minutes and the whole ice alchemist thing was pointless. Also, that whole ice alchemist thing is a misnomer because if he were an ice alchemist, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be able to boil shit. Last time I checked, ice was cold.

Oh, and the OP was phenomenal, I don't know what you guys are talking about.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2009, 01:53:41 PM »
Episode 2

Last time I remembered, it took a few episodes to develop much of Edward's path to becoming an Alchemist.  Surprisingly enough, Al and Ed's mentor was already mentioned and shown despite the fact that she made an appearance way later on in the first anime.  This does stick to my point for the debut where the writers more or less assume the people viewing this show already know a great deal of the material beforehand. 

It is still a lot to cram into one episode and I am guessing that this will be expanded upon in a future episode.  Looks like Lior is going to be covered once more with the fraud priest or whatever.  If I had a nitpick, the way Ed's arm and leg came off seemed far less violent then the last time.  I think had those been completely ripped apart, it would have had more convincing effect.  Still, that trip through the portal or whatever was a lot trippier then the last time, especially when they revealed that vague figure that had appeared before. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2009, 02:58:26 PM »
Episode 2

If I recall correctly, in the manga, the train hijack, Nina arc and Scar introduction happened right after the events at Lior.  I don't believe that there ever was a alchemist test arc, which explains why the anime covered that now... though I have no clue why they didn't just start the story at Lior.   

Anyways, this is pretty much a weaker version of episode 3 of the first season.  I don't know if it was due to the faster pacing, weaker directing or simply the lack of the song Brajita, but this one didn't seem as impacting as the first.  Regardless, Bones is really going to have to pick up the pace if they want to finish the manga's plot in 50 episodes.   

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2009, 12:17:55 AM »
Please tell me I'm not the only person who doesn't like the cinematography. Why the hell do they keep zooming in so much? I did think it was pretty awesome how in depth they went on the ****ed up mom transmutation and already bringing the Gate into the story.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2009, 06:04:08 AM »
Episode 2

If I recall correctly, in the manga, the train hijack, Nina arc and Scar introduction happened right after the events at Lior.  I don't believe that there ever was a alchemist test arc, which explains why the anime covered that now... though I have no clue why they didn't just start the story at Lior.   

Anyways, this is pretty much a weaker version of episode 3 of the first season.  I don't know if it was due to the faster pacing, weaker directing or simply the lack of the song Brajita, but this one didn't seem as impacting as the first.
I noticed this as well.  How can they tell the brother's backstory and not play the song "Brajita".  It's just like... uh, so much weaker without it.

As far as the pacing is concerned, I think it's too fast.  I think they're not giving anywhere near enough time to let the ideas develop.  Take Izumi's appearance for example.  If it's going to be another twenty odd episodes before she appears again, what's the point of her turning up in this episode.

I think now is a good time to point out that the director of this series isn't the director of the first season.  At first, I thought he was the movie director, but he wasn't even that.  I'm not sure what the intention with this series is so far, but "impact" doesn't seem to be high on the agenda at this stage, as much as delivering a Cliff's Notes version of the source material.

Edit: No *spoiler* house burning *spoiler* scene as well.  Did that come later or have they skipped it.  Because that was one of the best scenes in the series.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2009, 08:40:05 AM »
I noticed this as well.  How can they tell the brother's backstory and not play the song "Brajita".
Presumably because Michiru Ooshima didn't compose the soundtrack to Brotherhood.  I'm not sure how music licensing works, so I don't know whether they can freely use Ooshima's compositions.

Besides, Senju's doing a fine job so far.  :P

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2009, 03:57:50 PM »
I've reread a part of the manga, and it seems that my recollection isn't all that good.  There was indeed an alchemy exam in the manga and it happened exactly as the the anime portrayed it.  Episode 2 was pretty much a condensed version of chapters 23 and 24.  Considering that this flashback happens after Ed and Al meet with Izumi, why Bones chooses to cover this part of the story now is beyond me. 

Edit: No *spoiler* house burning *spoiler* scene as well.  Did that come later or have they skipped it.  Because that was one of the best scenes in the series.
That scene was the last few pages of chapter 24.  I think they may have skipped it for good, but then again, they can show it any time in the future.

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If I had a nitpick, the way Ed's arm and leg came off seemed far less violent then the last time.  I think had those been completely ripped apart, it would have had more convincing effect.
Actually, the visuals for that scene (and 95% of episode 2) were damn near exact transitions from the manga.  Also, for a technical reasoning, it seems that anything that is broken apart or created by alchemy are made up by rectangles (ie you can see plenty of these on the weapons Al creates).  At one point, Ed comments on how he can see the residues of alchemy by pointing out these rectangles on a wall.   

Anyways, I've read up episode titles on ANN. If my guess is correct...
Spoiler for Hiden:
we'll be seeing Nina and Scar very, very soon

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2009, 01:06:52 PM »
Episode 3

How the hell did they manage to do that entire arc in virtually one episode?  Not only that, the producers need a serious remedial course on moderation with comedic elements as they hindered the entire episode inappropriately by shoving it in almost every facet.  Also, did Cornello transmute himself into some sort of monster in the manga?  I think the original anime had a more fitting conclusion and much better execution with details overall.

If there is that much of a rush to get into the manga material not covered in the original anime, I guess there will be more episodes like this one.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2009, 01:43:10 PM »
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Also, did Cornello transmute himself into some sort of monster in the manga?
No, he went down hard after the rebound, and he is finished by Ed's wrath of God.  Rose doesn't actually shoot anyone either.  She hides inside Al and finds out that the Priest is a fraud.

Episode 3

Wow, who directed this episode?  It was absolutely horrible.  Seriously, cut back on the dramatic angles, chibi form and screen splits; the content here is strong enough that you don't need them.  Also, I do realize that Bones is working on a schedule, but they need to slow down.  They should get rid of the frivolous content and give more time to the dramatic moments to let the ideas sink in.  The art was absolute trash as well, and I'm surprised that Bones would actually release something so mediocre so early into production.  Yes, there was far more movement here compared to the original television series, but I prefer the dark, well defined art of the first; that actually had something known as atmosphere.

Plot-wise, I like what the manga and the original anime did better, but I don't have anything against what happened in this episode save Cornello's final transformation. The scene where Rose started to raise the gun with such dramatic ado (only to point it at Al) made me laugh, but nothing else stood out. 
   
Looking at the episode preview, it seems that they are skipping some of the earlier story lines and going straight towards Nina.  The train hijack is no real loss, but I think that the Youswell story was important (It's the story about the miners who were unfairly taxed by a domineering ruler).  Okay, the people introduced in the chapter are not all that important and the idea that not everybody likes the military is not all that critical to the future storyline, but I believe that the message that Ed and Al value their home is fundamental to understanding the brothers (or at the very least, it helps me to empathize with them). Also, what about Yoki? Who doesn't like a slime-ball dog of the military who taxes his people into severe poverty?     

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2009, 08:43:21 PM »
I think this episode might have had more impact if you watched it at 1/2 speed.  Seriously, how rushed was that.  The only thing that redeems it is that Lior wasn't all that interesting an arc to begin with.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2009, 08:54:06 PM »
Well, even if you do let this show stand on its own merits instead of comparing to the first season, it's still moving at a horrendously fast pace.  1/2 speed seems to be about the right pace and had the arcs presented so far been spread over to two episodes, I don't think there'd be any issue.  As things stand, the way this series progresses feels really bipolar because of how rushed things feel.

Still reserving judgment once they get to the fork in the proverbial road, but so far, it's only slightly above average.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2009, 10:38:13 AM »
Episode 4

Okay, I'm willing to wipe part of the slate clean and pretend that episode 3 doesn't exist.  This episode was a good adaptation of the Nina chapter, and I hope they keep this up.  The only "problem" I had with this episode is more of a personal preference than a serious complaint.  I wish they didn't show Tucker clinging onto the his State Alchemist Watch at the end.  This is not just because it's not in the manga, it's just that without that scene Tucker's intentions become more ambiguous (and in my opinion more interesting).  By having him cling onto it so dearly, it makes it seem as if Shou Tucker's actions were largely due to the State Alchemist qualification, and thus make it easier to conclude that this was his root of his evil.  Personally, I like how the manga did not not give any one strong reason for his actions, and let the State Alchemist exam be merely a catalyst to his actions, not the primary cause.     

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2009, 12:47:53 PM »
Episode 4

Scar's introduction was quite nice along with the fact that they showed his eyes rather early.  I still dislike the comedic elements as they should be abolished entirely.  Honestly, I hope there is none of this during the next episode where Ed and Al battle Scar.  As for the episode itself, I did not mind since it was watchable.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2009, 01:21:11 PM »
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I still dislike the comedic elements as they should be abolished entirely.  Honestly, I hope there is none of this during the next episode where Ed and Al battle Scar.  As for the episode itself, I did not mind since it was watchable.

Well I am going to warn you right now that the comedic elements will not go away. The manga is way less dark and melodramatic than the 1st series  and is much more about hope (although the 1st series had plenty of humor as well which people seem to be forgetting). That does not mean there are no serious/dark moments in the manga storyline, really there is a very good balance between both serious and comedy moments. And when the mood is supposed to stay serious it stays serious.

So if you expect there to be no comedy in this series or expect it to have the same tone as the first series then you will be disappointed.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2009, 08:42:16 PM »
The imbalance is what bothers me most due to how intrusive said comedic elements detract away from either the momentum, atmosphere, or mood of the series.  Mishandling such a thing to the point of becoming disparaging means a remedial course or abolishment altogether.  It is one thing to have bad slapstick comedy that will not impede an episode's progress.  It is another when it becomes a complete detriment and eyesore.

If the manga actually handles the balance quite well then that is fine if it translates.  Thus far, I have yet to see anything that suggests otherwise.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2009, 04:11:41 AM »
The imbalance is what bothers me most due to how intrusive said comedic elements detract away from either the momentum, atmosphere, or mood of the series.  Mishandling such a thing to the point of becoming disparaging means a remedial course or abolishment altogether.  It is one thing to have bad slapstick comedy that will not impede an episode's progress.  It is another when it becomes a complete detriment and eyesore.

If the manga actually handles the balance quite well then that is fine if it translates.  Thus far, I have yet to see anything that suggests otherwise.


Well then you are a little hard to please. Because there was no comedy that intruded on any emotional scene in this episode. Yes there were comedic elements when Ed & Al were playing with Nina. But those moments are supposed to be light & happy. It's not like Ed suddenly turned Chibi when confronting Tucker. If that happened I could understand your complaint a bit better.

But yes there are comedic elements during the Scar fight not necessarily when Ed & Al fight Scar but certainly afterwords. Just warning you!

On another note the mood of this series is not supposed to be as dark as the last one.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2009, 03:17:55 AM »
I'm seriously getting fed up with how they're zooming in and giving these ridiculous close-ups all the time.

As for the pacing, I think a big reason why it seems like it's flying by is because they're completing entire arcs in one episode. In the first FMA they could wrap up in arc in the time it took for an episode to elapse but they stretched it to be the ending of one episode through the beginning of the next episode so there was that week of development in the viewers imagination. Of course, now we know what happens but I still think that it would work a lot better than just cramming everything into an episode. Actually, all  the episodes so far could be watched as standalone OVAs. :/

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2009, 01:42:03 PM »
Episode 5

Best episode until Roy's fiasco where things went downhill from there.  The original anime had that moment, yet handled it far better.  The fact that end moment between Al and Edward became less endearing and cheap due to the humor was almost a total disaster.  At least the part with the brief explanation on the Ishbalans made up for things in the end, slightly. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2009, 12:43:44 AM »
Maybe our expectations are too high considering the first season was so wonderful. :/

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2009, 09:58:17 AM »
Maybe our expectations are too high considering the first season was so wonderful. :/

Maybe :)

But I certainly don't think the first series was all that wonderful. It had its good points don't get me wrong but it also had plot holes, annoying characterization, too much melodrama, and a lame ending with Nazis.



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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2009, 03:02:05 AM »
I love nazis.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2009, 01:12:47 PM »
Maybe if this adaptation did not do such a good job at making the original look that much better, then there might not be comparisons in the first place.  Thus far, light-heartedness and bad jokes have proven themselves to be completely instrumental in creating an inferior piece of work.  Not even counting the fast forward button or that the manga actually sounds bad from what Shadowmage has alluded to. 

Episode 6

I hate how simple, yet bad jokes are taken and stupified even worse in this series.  (Al stuck in the cart of sheep.)  Not to mention, the part with Marcoh shooting the gun still shows that serious parts are going to be impeded upon for no reason at all.  Armstrong is still a character I will never get used to since he is just completely awkward.  This part was never my favorite since I never liked Winry in the first place, so I am just glad this episode is over.

Somehow, I thought there was a part where Armstrong decides to take on both Al and Ed once they were repaired.  Even if that was not the case, I am glad it was omitted since it was rather stupid, even with the message of unity between the two brothers.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2009, 05:53:48 PM »
Not even counting the fast forward button or that the manga actually sounds bad from what Shadowmage has alluded to. 

Now, now, I never said it was bad.  It is quite excellent relative to other shounen manga, but it's not quite as good as the first anime.  To keep explanations short, it's best to think of the first anime as a drama with shounen elements, whereas Brotherhood is a shounen series with drama.     

Episode 6

Not bad.  Since this episode was pretty much something to push the plot forward, there really isn't all that much to say except that obligatory "original was better" quip.  (Since the manga is a montly syndication, I understand why the author would want the brothers to meet Marco (by pure luck) as opposed to them following a trail of rumors in order to track the man down.)

Oh yeah, as for some mild spoilers, Roy didn't kill Winry's parents (making him a less fascinating character), and Marco has no real ties with Roy (making him less fascinating as well).   


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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2009, 05:09:30 AM »
Oh yeah, as for some mild spoilers, Roy didn't kill Winry's parents (making him a less fascinating character), and Marco has no real ties with Roy (making him less fascinating as well).
Wait, do you mean in the manga, or in this anime?  Because I didn't see any indication that was the case from this episode.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2009, 09:44:43 AM »
Wait, do you mean in the manga, or in this anime?  Because I didn't see any indication that was the case from this episode.

In the first anime, Marco was a fairly important character who educated the brothers about Ishabal massacre, thus broadening their view of the world, and also fleshing out Roy. Notice how in this version is Marco just exists for half an episode to push the brothers to the secrets of the philosopher's stone.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2009, 10:04:16 PM »
Episode 7

I have no appreciation on the consensus taken regarding how to make an episode involving Sheska more annoying today.  The atmosphere and drama built up to each part in need of it was dashed instantly with the flow totally smashed every time.  When the part displaying Al and Ed's gruesome discovery becomes hard to care about within a frame or two, something is quite wrong.

Plot and story-wise I have no problems with where its going at least.  Honestly, I don't know which explanation on why the Central Library met destruction was preferrable.  Either way, things seemed satisfying enough to me minus the terrible flaws behind the episode.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2009, 01:25:23 AM »
I am dissapoint.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2009, 08:16:05 PM »
Episode 7

Well crap, my worst fears seem to have been confirmed. 

From what I've I've seen for the last seven episodes, I'm coming to the temporary conclusion that Fullmetal Alchemist is a project outside the league of director Irie Yasuhiro. I was willing to forgive him for the last few episodes since the guy was quite frankly condensing vast amounts of material into short time frames, but for the first time, he had a full 21 minutes to cover around 40 pages of material... and he botched it.  Yes, the whole revelation that the philosopher's stone is made out of humans isn't all that dramatic if you already know what's coming, but so far this show is pretty much incapable of sustaining even a thin veneer of tension or drama.  I don't really recall ever being fully immersed in this series except perhaps the first episode where I was drugged up on nostalgia and I had no reference point to make comparisons.   

It takes 40 minutes to read a volume of the manga.  There are around roughly 21 volumes for around 840 minutes of reading.  Assuming this anime goes for fifty episodes, there are 43 episodes left.  So in short, save yourself an hour and three minutes and get a more rewarding experience by reading the manga. 

Oh yeah, and to do a bit of deprogramming from the first series, the alchemy circle for the philosopher's stone is not some massive, complex shape.  It's a literally just a pentagon with a circle around it. (This is a piece of imagery that's shown numerous times during the first few minutes of every episode).

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In the manga, back when Ed and company meets up with Marco, the final pages show Lust forcing Marco to tell her where his research is hidden (thus implying that she burned it down by the time Ed finally arrives).   
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2009, 03:50:40 PM »
Episode 8

Things were more interesting in the original when Ed and Al knew about Barry after encountering him in an earlier time.  This is one of those differences from the manga that I can not say I like.  Even then, the episode was still ruined by the same damn things that keep killing this remake.  If this episode was kept 100% serious the entire way, then it would have been awesome.  Even Hughes managed to become more aggravating in the process. 

So, I wonder how many episodes until things start to show the real direction of this anime?  It should probably be within a few I am thinking.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2009, 09:26:33 AM »
If this episode was kept 100% serious the entire way, then it would have been awesome.
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So, I wonder how many episodes until things start to show the real direction of this anime?  It should probably be within a few I am thinking.
If they continue to closely follow the manga, it'll be quite a while till the jokes really start to subside.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2009, 02:26:25 AM »
Episode 8

Things were more interesting in the original when Ed and Al knew about Barry after encountering him in an earlier time.  This is one of those differences from the manga that I can not say I like.
That's a good point.  I'd forgotten that there was an entire episode dedicated to Barry the Chopper before they encountered him at this point in the original anime.  Arguably it's only a small thing, but it's one that makes the encounter in this episode slightly more meaningful.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2009, 04:09:29 PM »
Episode 9

Winry is a cancer to the show and unconvincing as someone to snap Al out of his somberness after the last episode.  Hopefully, she actually dies off in the manga since she should meet her end alongside Hughes (another cancer) next episode.  It also looks like Ed and Al's teacher makes a random appearance as a passerby today.  If there was anything that saved today's episode it is the voice acting for Scar since that was well done to build up tension and foreshadowing on its own.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2009, 09:29:55 PM »
Winry is a cancer to the show and unconvincing as someone to snap Al out of his somberness after the last episode.  Hopefully, she actually dies off in the manga...
Yeah... She is actually a major character in the manga rather than someone who just comes and goes.

Episode 9

Decent episode.  It's vastly inferior to the first incarnation, etc.  And we should be getting to the Greed arc after Hughes gets put out of his misery, Ed, Al and Winry go to Rush Valley, and they meet their teacher.   

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2009, 12:40:45 PM »
I for one didn't like this episode much. I feel like they could've done a better job in setting the mood, both for the brothers' confrontation as well as Hughe's family. It seems like they can't get the emotion through all the way, or maybe it's just that visualizing the manga for myself delivers more for me. Anyways, I'm glad they didn't forget to capture Izuru and her husband in the background when Winry arrived.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2009, 11:21:08 AM »
Decent episode.  It's vastly inferior to the first incarnation, etc.  And we should be getting to the Greed arc after Hughes gets put out of his misery, Ed, Al and Winry go to Rush Valley, and they meet their teacher.    

Shadowmage I think you are awesome so don't get me wrong but how was the last incarnation of this episode better? Okay I am going to respect that people do not like the SD faces (and maybe they have been overdoing them a bit in this series, although I think that is a minor issue). But I don't see how storywise wasting almost an entire episode of Al running away and then hanging out with an Ishbalan Kid and Scar (you know the guy who previously tried to kill Al's brother, I can just feel the brotherly love) was well written. And then when they finally did resolve the brother's issues they do it as an after thought in the middle of a battle. Here they allowed Ed & Al to have a real heart to heart and in the end if anything there relationship grows stronger. And personally I loved the bit of Winry literally bashing sense into Al. Although Winry felt like she couldn't connect to Ed & Al, she really understands them better than she gave herself credit. But I love Winry so more Winry is always a good thing for me.

Oh and as for Barry the Chopper while I did highly enjoy episode 8 of the 1st anime where he was first introduced. The first anime's rendition of Barry the Chopper after that was absolutely horrendous. One of many characters ruined by the 1st anime for me.


Anyways not as good as the manga but miles better than the 1st series for me, except for maybe when it comes to music. I did love the 1st series OST. But this series' music is improving. The music playing when Hughes & Winry were talking was just gorgeous.

On another note episode 7 did not cover 1 chapter (40 pages) it covered almost 2 chapters so more like 70 pages. It covered all of chapter 10 and most of chapter 11. Every episode except episode 4 has covered more than 1 chapter. The next episode looks like it will cover the end of chapter 15 and chapter 16 (plus it looks like they will be adding a few scenes from a flashback chapter that in the manga doesn't happen until Vol. 15).

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He was? You could have fooled me. It seems like another character the first anime had no idea what to do with. Any character could have told Ed & Al about the Ishbal massacre. I guess that makes the character that did tell them a more important character because of this role in the manga. Oh but wait but that character and Marcoh both do more in the manga besides tell characters about the Ishbal massacre.


And as for Roy despite the one difference you talked about he is still a more developed and fleshed out character in the manga because he actually grows and changes. Just because a character isn't shown to be EMO and suicidal doesn't mean they are not developed. Roy was one of the few well written characters in the 1st anime (well until the movie) but his manga characterization is still 100 times better. And as for being less fascinating you seem to ignore what role he did play in Ishbal.


And sorry guys someone has to be the anti 1st anime voice around here. Don't take it the wrong way I do respect all of your opinions I just don't think the 1st anime is as good as some people make it out to be. It had some great moments and episodes, interesting themes and great atmosphere. But to me it failed in terms of plot and characterization and I just think the manga storyline is miles better.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2009, 05:44:55 PM »
Episode 10

The first minute and a half:  One of the best single minutes in the entire show.

The next ten minutes afterwards:  Completely slaughtered by extremely inappropriate humor and the idiocy of Hughes and Winry.  This episode only proves that those two characters are complete cancers who only deserve to die off as they don't serve any meaningful purpose other then to degenerate the show into mediocrity or worse.

Hughes Death:  Only proves that the show is at its best and only good when its completely serious.  It is hardly believable for someone like Hughes to show any form of appropriate seriousness before his death.  But, at least Bones tried to make it convincing, even though there is nothing genuine about it.

The next minute or so afterwards:  The part could have been completely destroyed by Winry's idiocy again.  Cutting to the funeral was a very wise decision.

The moments afterwards:  Could have very well been destroyed by inappropriate humor again, yet Bones actually managed to show some form of actual restraint to allow the show to be at its best, which is when its serious and not at a level of garbage when things are light hearted or humorous.  Usually, they have been rather unabashed in killing off every part like this, so in a way it is something impressive.

I honestly thought that the material from the preview was actually filler and never thought it was actually part of the story.  Although, it looks like the show will take another downfall by involving Winry once more since that is how things play out when an awful character like that is a main cog behind it.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2009, 05:31:52 PM »
Episode 11

To sum it up, watching a rerun of the Simpsons would have been far more worth the time then this.  The fact that a summarized version of some of the worst episodes of the original came out more detestable is abominable.  Winry and her counterpart didn't help with their complete idiocy and meaningless existences.  It is farcical that there were attempts to make the two either respectable or sympathetic since the efforts were completely in vain.  I honestly cannot understand why a meaningless episode like this could not have been skipped.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2009, 07:24:02 PM »
Episode 11

To sum it up, watching a rerun of the Simpsons would have been far more worth the time then this.  The fact that a summarized version of some of the worst episodes of the original came out more detestable is abominable.  Winry and her counterpart didn't help with their complete idiocy and meaningless existences.  It is farcical that there were attempts to make the two either respectable or sympathetic since the efforts were completely in vain.  I honestly cannot understand why a meaningless episode like this could not have been skipped.

Right because you personally are annoyed by Winry she is meaningless character? She is the character who shows that Ed & Al still has someone who cares about them besides themselves. She is also the character who creates Ed's automail and she wants to become better at this skill to create even better automail for him. But god forbid an episode focuses on Winry because you do not like her.

And this episode could not be skipped because it adds character development for Ed, Winry and Al and certain events come back later in the manga. Hence the episode is not meaningless whether you personally enjoyed it or not.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2009, 02:20:13 PM »
Episode 12

At least, this is one of the better episodes of the series due to the fact that Winry is absent and a fair amount of the episode was kept serious enough.  Of course, it would have been a perfect summary without the bad jokes.  At least some thematics (creating/giving birth to life) of the show were not spat on unlike with last episode's demeaning handling of pregnancy, although pokes at Izumi's condition was getting pretty close. It is a plus that Izumi can behave properly when times call for it while actually being effective enough to convince a viewer of actual developments and moments, unlike some characters.

I think I got more out of the original's adaptation of when the boys were on the island probably because of the coloring scheme.  The brighter coloring did not seem to have as much impact alongside the very words uttered like before.  Not to mention, something is inherently wrong when I can't even take the legitimate fear of butchering a live animal seriously either. 

I forgot when the hell Ed and Al meet up with Greed, although I am only guessing this is where the manga material may kick in soon, if that is the case. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2009, 02:16:32 AM »
Yeah, this was a good episode.  The pace of this still amazes me, though.  From memory, the island was a full episode, yet here it was only about seven minutes.  And there was more to it as well.  The island was the plot point that allowed them to introduce Wrath into the story.

What are we up to compared with the first anime?  We'd have to be getting close the the early thirties, wouldn't we?

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2009, 06:05:59 PM »
In the first anime, Hughes' death was on episode 25, so yeah, we're close to the 30s.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to a new OP assuming they go for a new one every 13 or so episodes like last time.  I want to see Lin Yao and his ninja posse animated. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2009, 07:13:22 PM »
Episode 13

Great for action, tasteless with humor, and not much else.  I think I remembered Ed learning Greed's weakness a bit later on since that seemed quicker then last time.  The mystery behind the homunculus' creation is more of a mystery here then with Wrath's appearance conveniently explaining everything.  That actually seems a bit more promising unless the very same explanations are exactly what will be used once more.

The fact that the series did not bother with Yoki earlier makes his (re) appearance far more random then it should be.  Not to mention, it does not let him bear any real importance other then as blatant filler just thrown in for the sake of it.  Although, Yoki did seem like filler the last time anyway even though he might have been more instrumental in his role.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #52 on: July 05, 2009, 03:41:10 PM »
Episode 14

Since I don't remember half of this going on in the original, I guess this is the actual start of the manga material.  Not to mention, the preview looks rather unfamiliar as well.  Although, I can't say that I am looking forward to more epic shonen moments then good drama.  Or more idiocy from a different cast of characters if they happen to be anything as terrible as Hughes or Winry.

Things do look pretty good with a pretty showing of animation quality for Greed's battle and the fact that there was actual bloodshed helps.  The plot twists for an overall bigger picture look promising, but I really wonder if the execution is going to be there since things still need to be tightened up for this anime.  So long as Bones gets their act together, then maybe things could turn out nicely.  Although, the preview looks rather pitiful since it might make an episode involving Scar look like a joke. 

Considering that Scar has been one of the very few positives, I hope he does not get dumbed down next episode for no good reason, especially just because the manga decided to do that.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2009, 09:20:41 PM »
Episode 15

The new OP is definitely a lot better then what the overrated Yui, who does not even sing well, could ever provide.  I can definitely see in some parts of the OP where people mentioned that the manga had more epic shonen moments, even though good drama is superior.  Even then, I am not sure if this would be a definite must download for me either.

I already hate the little girl and wonder why she didn't immediately die since it would have been nice if Scar would have dispatched of her already.  Then again, I especially feel the same for Ling and his crew since they really took the episode down with the brand of idiocy they bring to the table.  Not to mention, I have not felt this much animosity towards a stereotyped Chinese character since Wu Fei from Gundam Wing.  The whole fight "insight" usually seen in shonen-style mangas/anime apparently plays a much bigger role then I thought it would as well.

The Qin Shi Huang references don't really interest me or make Ling's motives much more favorable either.  There were some interesting things like how the tatoos on Scar's arm came about and the different kinds of Alchemy in the world.  I would have liked more of this sort of thing as opposed to god awful jokes and slapstick.  At least, Scar seems more interesting in the end and he is the most positive influence on the series.

At least the ED was alright, although the song is nothing special itself since it has been done millions of times.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2009, 05:32:54 PM »
Episode 16

In terms of the emotional quotient, this episode was better then earlier material that failed to deliver.  Not sure which series handled the aftermath of Hughes' death better overall, but this is one of the better moments where even a detrimental character like Winry didn't dare detract from anything with her stupidity.  At the sametime, it looks like things are picking up with the conspiracies and all.  The whole Lust/Jean aspect seems a tad familiar for some reason even though I don't remember that in the original anime at all.

Overall, this is the kind of episode we should have seen earlier before with far less humor and more seriousness.  Not to mention, at least the music actually helps since I don't think any of the best moments in this series to date could have been the same without it.  Hopefully, the whole series will be completely serious from here on out.  Then again, the whole scene with stowing Barry in secrecy was rather silly.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2009, 04:09:10 PM »
Episode 17

Bones is still proving that they will get any scene wrong by inserting mind-numbingly awful comedic moments with the worst timing of all kinds.  Not that it helps when terrible joke characters like Winry and Ling always ruin things to the point of complete mockery just by appearing either.  Then again, its not as if the former ever proved to be actually worth anything either.  As for the latter, he seems like a reject that somehow didn't make it in the cast of Souten Kouro as a random moron to be killed in silly fashion.

Apparently, even King Gonta and Hagin Yi must have had enough of superfluous silly crap to not have a character like that appear in their work. 

Once again, the score woven by Senju saves the day with his own excellent work to drive the episode forward instead of letting it fall completely backwards.  Still, I don't know what is up with the plot twist at the very end.  Of course, I don't think Roy actually killed Maria and there is probably going to be some wild explanation of sorts coming up.  I just hope this manga stuff picks up since there are some interesting points going on, although that can all be easily rectified for the worse as well.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2009, 10:44:48 AM »
This is the not best directed show. It's quite lackluster compared to the original run in almost all compartments. I agree with Shadowmage and also find the art bland and mediocre. The "comic relief" is even more atrocious. The series is starting to pick up, however. The story is progressively more interesting, though it has not surpass season one. I haven't read the manga, but regardless I am happy to see the story take a different route, even though it should have been something initiated on Episode 1. So far, the show is vastly inferior to its predecessor from over five years ago. It has turned out to be a major disappointment, and I don't see any purpose behind it now other than to further cash in on the FMA franchise. Supposedly it is going to "correct" the first series by following the true story developed in the manga; but why pursue such a task if this new content is subpar?

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2009, 01:27:56 AM »
why pursue such a task if this new content is subpar?

...to further cash in on the FMA franchise.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #58 on: July 30, 2009, 04:38:19 AM »
Ep 17

So
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I'm surprised, I kept thinking it was part of some elaborate ruse.  I didn't think they had the guts to kill off a character like that.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #59 on: July 30, 2009, 10:07:41 AM »
I guess there's going to be a lot of changes to the characters...

Spoiler for Hiden:
I think Ross is really fried. It was very sudden and unjustified. That's certainly one way to make Roy more vicious. I haven't read the manga, but I'm praying that it's not just as simple as it seems and that there's more to Roy's actions.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2009, 09:04:55 PM »
Episode 18

It looks like I was right on with what happened to Maria, although it would have been a lot ballsier to kill her.  Then again, the explanation was a bit far too convenient for my tastes.  Disappointingly enough, the whole thing with Barry was not too interesting and does not seem to suggest anything better next episode.

I do like how the Ed/Scar dynamic got a little bit of a boost since there might be some good drama to come from of it.  Other then that and the cliffhanger, I can't say this was a very interesting episode, especially compared to the past few.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2009, 10:10:03 PM »
I do like how the Ed/Scar dynamic got a little bit of a boost since there might be some good drama to come from of it.  Other then that and the cliffhanger, I can't say this was a very interesting episode, especially compared to the past few.
The thing is that this version of Scar is not really a foil to Ed like he was in the original anime.  Their back-stories are essentially the same but the manga's version is so tied up in another piece of drama that the new anime really can't play out the whole Scar v. Ed dynamic.     

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2009, 08:34:54 PM »
I do like how the Ed/Scar dynamic got a little bit of a boost since there might be some good drama to come from of it.  Other then that and the cliffhanger, I can't say this was a very interesting episode, especially compared to the past few.
The thing is that this version of Scar is not really a foil to Ed like he was in the original anime.  Their back-stories are essentially the same but the manga's version is so tied up in another piece of drama that the new anime really can't play out the whole Scar v. Ed dynamic.     

****.  That is all I can say.  As that was one of my favorite things in the original.

Episode 19

I don't know if the manga likes to make a mockery of itself at any given opportunity.  On the otherhand, the comedic timing of this show is just so atrocious that just one joke alone can become a near disaster or worse in itself.  Not that I see how it is appropriate or humourous for an idiotic, rehashed joke done millions of times about boobs to appear in a situation like the one with Roy, Havoc, and Lust (who stole the episode) to be conveniently cracked.  Or for Winry to act like her typically idiotic self over Al's arm.

At least some key differences surfaced between the original and this version with the actual weakness' of the Homunculi and that little part with Barry at the end.  Unfortunately, Barry's part was more or less a waste of time since it was rather underwhelming.

Considering that the budget was used for this episode, the action did come out nicely as it was fun to watch.  Still, the wheel is turning and that is a good thing for this show and the plot twist at the end was nice.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #63 on: August 11, 2009, 04:49:27 AM »
So Lust is just a throwaway bad guy in this?  And, geez, it's really that easy to kill a Homunculus?

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #64 on: August 11, 2009, 09:20:10 AM »
So Lust is just a throwaway bad guy in this?  And, geez, it's really that easy to kill a Homunculus?

Well, it took the manga three years to reach this point so Lust felt far from a throwaway character; however, compared to the original anime, most of the Homunculi are pretty much sub-bosses.  As for the relative ease of the kill, Roy is trying to become the next Fuhrer so I suppose he needs some heat to back up his claims. 


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Barry actually has some meaning once Edward hears of him. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #65 on: August 11, 2009, 03:05:38 PM »
As for the relative ease of the kill, Roy is trying to become the next Fuhrer so I suppose he needs some heat to back up his claims.
Yeah, but in the first anime, there was a trick to it.  In this, it just seems that enough brute force will do.  The first way meant that there was this alchemy puzzle they had to solve before they could defeat the homunculi.  Now it's just "well, beat the crap out of them".  And to strip the backgrounds away from the homunculi... as you say, it just makes them sub-bosses.  They're much less interesting this way.

This, overall, just seems to be so much more straightforward than the first series.  For all its flaws, at least the first series had a great deal of ambition, and attempted to add an amount of complexity to its situations.  Even the way they went about the Ross situation.  They took the soft (and incredibly predictable) option by keeping her alive.  Imagine if they killed her?  Wouldn't that have revealed an incredibly dark side to Mustang.  They could have done something with that.  Instead we're just getting something that feels like the same-old same-old as far as action series are concerned.  Mustang kills Lust the second before she can kill him... yawn.  It's a completely obvious (and therefore ineffective) attempt to create suspense, because it's so theatrical.

I don't think this is an awful or even subpar anime, but, geez, it just doesn't compare to the first series at all.  The first series is on a whole other level.  I'm starting to think comparisons are pointless.  At this point I'm starting to think it'll be extremely difficult for them to put together a story that can be compared with the first series'.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #66 on: August 13, 2009, 04:54:11 PM »
In the original manga it took half a year to reveal that Maria was alive. It also was revealed after the Mustang VS Lust fight.

Other than that it was not easy to kill Lust. That's ridiculous and she did a lot of damage. Some of which has not been revealed yet. More importantly how she is killed makes sense within the context of the series. She is made up of the Philosopher Stone and each time you kill her she loses another soul. It's also not so easy to kill a homunculus, Mustang just happens to be one of the most powerful fighters in the series because of his type of alchemy.

And I also don't see what was so wonderful about how the homunculus were killed in the first series. Besides the fact that it makes absolutely no sense and was obviously pulled out of Studio Bones BS land. How the hell does using the bones of the person brought back by human transmutation and then some random circle make sense in any context? Not to mention there was no challenge to it because the bones just happened to show up whenever it was convenient.

And I am glad they didn't give Mustang a stupid dark, angsty emo side. Because making characters EMO apparently=real deep. With this Mustang I can see why his men are so loyal to him.  Give me a break, giving a character a dark tragic background is the lazy way to write a character. If Mustang had really killed Maria it would show he was stupid. Mustang is not dumb enough to not check things out for himself. Personally I prefer well written consistent characters than the shock value that it seems you all prefer.  


Also I would hardly call the revelations about Barry and his body as pointless considering Al's predicament. But that is why I personally think the manga storyline (not necessarily Brotherhood because I have my own issues with it as an adaption) is far superior to the first anime in every way. It might not be as tragic or dark but its so much more well thought out. In the sense that everything in the series that happens (no matter how insignificant) is important and is not just there for shock value or to force tears out of the audience.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #67 on: August 13, 2009, 06:29:54 PM »
But if you sap all the shock value out of a plot twist (and, lets face it, "shock value" is a rather debasing way to describe the appeal of a plot twist, since it puts something that's genuinely surprising and clever on the same level as the ending of School Days), then what do you have left?  My problem with what happened with Ross is that it was predictable.  There was no impact when they explained the elaborate details of how she survived, because by that point it was so obvious it was coming.  Within all the evidence they presented to suggest she was dead, there was nothing that was final or convincing... everything had an easy "out", starting from the fact that the body wasn't instantly recognizable, which should immediately rouse suspicions that it was a fake, given one of the most common tropes when it comes to death in fiction ie, they're not dead until you can see (and, in this case, recognize) the body.  Having her die probably wouldn't have made sense within the context of the overall story, but at least it's something which isn't obvious and predictable.  What, then, is the point of going to all this elaborate effort of tricking the audience into thinking that she's dead.  If the answer is "for a surprising plot twist", then they've failed.  They could have easily just had us follow Ross' escape from the beginning, and played it for the suspense of not being found out, or something like that.  Instead they went for the "surprise, she's not really dead" plot twist angle.  But I saw that coming a mile away.  Yawn.  As an analogy, it's kinda like the guy who jumps out from behind the bushes and yells "surprise" while you're walking along the footpath, except for the fact that you can hear him giggling to himself for a whole minute before he finally jumps out.  You just kinda think to yourself, "well, what an idiot".  It's not foreshadowing.  The point of foreshadowing is to keep things consistent so they don't defy suspension of disbelief when they pull a plot twist.  This is just being obvious and predictable.

As for Mustang's method of beating Lust, it basically just boils down to Mustang having a greater power level than Lust.  Big deal.  In shounen action series, I'd rather see someone weak and talentless take down a major boss because they were smart and figured out their major weakness, and then made a split second decision to exploit it.  If you look at something like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, for example, they're incredibly creative with the array of different powers the characters have, but the better fights don't resolve themselves with who has the stronger power, but more often by who can keep their cool better in a tense situation and who can think their way through it the best.  In a series like that, the mind games are just as important as the action, so there's more suspense about them.  In comparison, there's so little suspense about the way Mustang killed Lust... he just showed up with a GAR pose and a bloody transmutation circle and proceeded to blast the crap out of her.  There's nothing creative about that.  "Oh man, look at Mustang stand there and be GAR and kill Lust with a crapload of fire. Epic!"  More like, epic bore.  I mean, this is a show about alchemy, with a whole heap of characters with cool powers.  Killing someone who has over 9000 lives with a crapload of fire is about the most uncreative way they could come up with to kill them.  That's the sort of thing I'd expect from Fate/Stay Night.  I have higher expectations for the level of creativity in Fullmetal Alchemist, and I'm starting to think those expectations are all wrong.

This is the problem with this show.  They've sapped all the ambition and creativity out of it.  There's so little in the way of atmosphere as well, that it's difficult to get into it.  And I agree, giving a character a tragic background is cliched (I wouldn't say "lazy", that's going too far).  But where are the curveballs in this?  Everything's so straightforward.  Even the revelation about who killed Winry's parents... so it was Scar this time.  All that achieves is piling on another in about fifty different reasons why Ed would have a vendetta against him (although I'm sure they'll try to justify this later on).  Having Mustang kill them is a curveball in his character and deep regret that motivates his character development.  I don't prefer "shock value" (which, again, is just a classic example of a word choice that comes with a preloaded bias), but I do want characters that are dynamic.  Consistency shouldn't come to the exclusion of character development, which is something that, for all its clumsiness, the first season had in a great amount.

Final point: how is the Bones method of killing homunculi any less nonsensical than attaching souls onto a metal case or making a super powerful alchemy amplifier by sacrificing a crapload of people?  It's a fantasy story, so I can't see where the line is for what makes sense, provided that the rules that are established at any point are followed consistently.  I do admit that the convenience with which they found their remains was a bit much to swallow.  But the idea itself, which has the advantage over the current method by being a puzzle that has to be figured out rather than something which can be defeated with brute force alone, isn't all that large a deviation from the magic system that drives this particular universe.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2009, 07:24:18 PM »
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But if you sap all the shock value out of a plot twist (and, lets face it, "shock value" is a rather debasing way to describe the appeal of a plot twist, since it puts something that's genuinely surprising and clever on the same level as the ending of School Days), then what do you have left?  My problem with what happened with Ross is that it was predictable.  There was no impact when they explained the elaborate details of how she survived, because by that point it was so obvious it was coming.  Within all the evidence they presented to suggest she was dead, there was nothing that was final or convincing... everything had an easy "out", starting from the fact that the body wasn't instantly recognizable, which should immediately rouse suspicions that it was a fake, given one of the most common tropes when it comes to death in fiction ie, they're not dead until you can see (and, in this case, recognize) the body.  Having her die probably wouldn't have made sense within the context of the overall story, but at least it's something which isn't obvious and predictable.  What, then, is the point of going to all this elaborate effort of tricking the audience into thinking that she's dead.  If the answer is "for a surprising plot twist", then they've failed.  They could have easily just had us follow Ross' escape from the beginning, and played it for the suspense of not being found out, or something like that.  Instead they went for the "surprise, she's not really dead" plot twist angle.  But I saw that coming a mile away.
 

Arakawa does not write plot twists for the sake of writing plot twists. I mean okay since the series is monthly most chapters end with a bang so to speak. But if there is a plot twist you can bet there are clues in previous chapters that should have clued you in on it. And in the original manga the scene ended with Mustang supposedly burning Maria Ross. But anyone with half a brain should have realized that Mustang just killing Ross like that without finding out the truth is OOC. After all this is the same character who asked Barry earlier did you kill Hughes? Although I can tell you plenty of people were not 100% sure.  

Why was that scene there if not for a plot twist? Simple it's the first time we really get to see what Mustang was all about. It's the first time he really starts to take action in the series. And its also when Ed finally learns of Mustang's true character. Again the anime seriously rushed it all compared to the manga but the intent of the scenes is all still there. This to me is all way more important than if Mustang killed Maria or not.

Not to mention the Maria scene reveals something of Mustang's skills with alchemy. That he can create such a perfect burned body. It should tell you something about Mustang's past experiences.  

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As for Mustang's method of beating Lust, it basically just boils down to Mustang having a greater power level than Lust.  Big deal.  In shounen action series, I'd rather see someone weak and talentless take down a major boss because they were smart and figured out their major weakness, and then made a split second decision to exploit it.  

Sorry but your interpretation is so off the mark that it is not even funny. There are no power levels in FMA at all. Mustang's alchemy is powerful but that doesn't mean he was ultimately more powerful than Lust. He was just able to fight  with her on equal terms because of his alchemy.

  If you are saying it took no skill or intelligence well that is nonsense. Let's see he burned his wound closed, used Havoc's lighter to create an explosion using the hydrogen in the water, attempted to remove the philosopher stone. The fight was not all boom boom explosion like you are making it out to be. But in the end he was literally burning her to death each and every time. Her time just ran out at the last second. Granted that last second is something you see often in fights but the entire fight should not be defined by that one moment.

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This is the problem with this show.  They've sapped all the ambition and creativity out of it.  

In your opinion I find the manga storyline ten times more creative and well thought out than anything the first series offered. Both in terms of world and character. The only thing I like better about the first series is the music but that's hardly the manga's fault. Oh and the first series was better paced where the Brotherhood team seems hell bent on going through a 98+ chapter series in 50 or so episodes. Thus way too much is skipped and changed for my liking. But hey both series are produced by Studio Bones who could not do a faithful manga adaption if it killed them. If they don't mess up one way they mess up another way.


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Even the revelation about who killed Winry's parents... so it was Scar this time.  All that achieves is piling on another in about fifty different reasons why Ed would have a vendetta against him (although I'm sure they'll try to justify this later on).


Too many spoilers but I think they deal much better with the Winry parent situation at least in terms of Winry's growth.



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Having Mustang kill them is a curveball in his character and deep regret that motivates his character development.  

Mustang killing Winry's parents did not make him a more developed or well written character. In fact it takes away from what he did in Ishval and was not needed except to give a connection to Mustang & Winry. It's not like the first series did much else with Winry though. Trust me Mustang has enough to regret without having killed Winry's parents.

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but I do want characters that are dynamic.  Consistency shouldn't come to the exclusion of character development, which is something that, for all its clumsiness, the first season had in a great amount.

I guess we have a different definition of character development because with a few exceptions I've noticed very little in terms of character growth. I guess I would say there was some character development for Ed, Scar, Lust, and Roy. The rest not so much. Although the series did rely a lot on giving characters tragic pasts in place of any real character development. Al was pretty much a walking plot device to make Ed more miserable.

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how is the Bones method of killing homunculi any less nonsensical than attaching souls onto a metal case or making a super powerful alchemy amplifier by sacrificing a crapload of people?  It's a fantasy story, so I can't see where the line for what makes sense, provided that the rules that are established at any point are followed consistently.  I do admit that the convenience with which they found their remains was a bit much to swallow.  But the idea itself, which has the advantage over the current method by being a puzzle that has to be figured out rather than something which can be defeated with brute force alone, isn't all that large a deviation from the magic system that drives this particular universe.

Ah but you see in the context of the fantasy world it makes perfect sense and is logical. It doesn't need to make sense in the context of reality only in the context of the rules made up by the FMA world. The homunculus are made up of a philosopher stone. The philosopher stone is made up of many souls. Each time you kill a homunculus you kill one of the souls. When all the souls are used up the homunculus die. It has nothing to do with brute force.

The way the homunculus were killed in the first series makes absolutely no sense and was just pulled out of thin air. It was never explained why the bones and that circle would kill them. If you could give me a logical explanation besides the series said so I am waiting to hear it. Not to mention there are plenty of other issues with the creation of the homunculus in the 1st series such as why there are only conveniently those 7.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #69 on: August 13, 2009, 11:00:08 PM »
Arakawa does not write plot twists for the sake of writing plot twists. I mean okay since the series is monthly most chapters end with a bang so to speak. But if there is a plot twist you can bet there are clues in previous chapters that should have clued you in on it. And in the original manga the scene ended with Mustang supposedly burning Maria Ross. But anyone with half a brain should have realized that Mustang just killing Ross like that without finding out the truth is OOC. After all this is the same character who asked Barry earlier did you kill Hughes? Although I can tell you plenty of people were not 100% sure.   

Why was that scene there if not for a plot twist? Simple it's the first time we really get to see what Mustang was all about. It's the first time he really starts to take action in the series. And its also when Ed finally learns of Mustang's true character. Again the anime seriously rushed it all compared to the manga but the intent of the scenes is all still there. This to me is all way more important than if Mustang killed Maria or not.

Not to mention the Maria scene reveals something of Mustang's skills with alchemy. That he can create such a perfect burned body. It should tell you something about Mustang's past experiences.
Two points: First, I'm talking about the two anime series here, so it's neither here nor there what Arakawa has done with the manga.  Second, the only thing that Mustang being able to create a perfect burnt body tells us is that he is a skilled alchemist, which is already established by the fact that he's a State Alchemist.  There might be some significance to to it in future events, but that's still to be seen.

Ed learning firsthand about Mustang's capacity to organize and execute a scheme like this justifies this scene in the context of the overall plot, but it doesn't justify the predictability of the attempted plot-twist.  It's all well and good to put clues in, that's a necessity for most plot twists, but this particular one was pulled out of the oldest and most-worn playbook of tropes.  I have no problem with what happened, but I have major problems with how it was executed.  The intention was clear from the approach, and the fact that Ross's survival was treated as a revelation: they wanted it to be a surprise.  It wasn't, therefore they failed in their intention.

Granted that last second is something you see often in fights but the entire fight should not be defined by that one moment.
And yet it was that one moment more than anything else which showed the fight to be so clearly contrived.  It's all well and good for them to have a big build up, for Mustang to do all these phenomenal things to get himself into a position to at least challenge Lust one last time (mind you, all these things happened off-camera, so we're told about what happened to him, rather than shown, again so we can get a contrived "you think he's dead but he's not really" reveal).  But for him to defeat her exactly one second before she was going to kill him... and for them to labour the shot by having the two of them hold their respective stances long enough to make that fact perfectly clear... it's a blatant and cliched way to create suspense.  Again, it's another indication that this show is resorting to a book of shounen action cliches far more than an anime which is supposed to be well written should.

In your opinion I find the manga storyline ten times more creative and well thought out than anything the first series offered. Both in terms of world and character. The only thing I like better about the first series is the music but that's hardly the manga's fault. Oh and the first series was better paced where the Brotherhood team seems hell bent on going through a 98+ chapter series in 50 or so episodes. Thus way too much is skipped and changed for my liking. But hey both series are produced by Studio Bones who could not do a faithful manga adaption if it killed them. If they don't mess up one way they mess up another way.
Again, manga.  I'm talking about the anime here, so this is irrelevant.  But, don't you think it's not a good sign that you constantly have to resort to relying on the manga to defend this anime?  A good anime will stand on its own two feet, independent of its source material.

Mustang killing Winry's parents did not make him a more developed or well written character. In fact it takes away from what he did in Ishval and was not needed except to give a connection to Mustang & Winry. It's not like the first series did much else with Winry though.
Yeah, that's probably true.  It was a superfluous addition to the story that needed to be expanded a bit better.  Kinda got cast to the wayside before it had a chance to develop into anything interesting.

I guess we have a different definition of character development because with a few exceptions I've noticed very little in terms of character growth. I guess I would say there was some character development for Ed, Scar, Lust, and Roy. The rest not so much. Although the series did rely a lot on giving characters tragic pasts in place of any real character development. Al was pretty much a walking plot device to make Ed more miserable.
And he's not pretty much the exact same thing here?  But the second series has now missed the chance to make Lust anything more than sub-boss of the week.  I won't disagree that tragic pasts are a dime a dozen now (although I'd have thought it was difficult to avoid in this case, seeing as how all the homunculi are based on people that are dead), but at least they're something that gives these bad guys more than one dimension.  Bad guys should either be intimidating or humanized (well, depending on circumstances... I guess there's no "should" with bad guys except that they should inspire some sort of response from the audience).  These ones are neither.  They're basically obstacles for the protagonists to overcome and defeat.

Ah but you see in the context of the fantasy world it makes perfect sense and is logical. It doesn't need to make sense in the context of reality only in the context of the rules made up by the FMA world. The homunculus are made up of a philosopher stone. The philosopher stone is made up of many souls. Each time you kill a homunculus you kill one of the souls. When all the souls are used up the homunculus die. It has nothing to do with brute force.

The way the homunculus were killed in the first series makes absolutely no sense and was just pulled out of thin air. It was never explained why the bones and that circle would kill them. If you could give me a logical explanation besides the series said so I am waiting to hear it. Not to mention there are plenty of other issues with the creation of the homunculus in the 1st series such as why there are only conveniently those 7.
Only seven people have attempted human transmutation recently, I guess.  Isn't that a detail?  It could have been six or eight, I don't think it would have made a difference to the story.  But, again, I can't see how this is any less arbitrary than homunculi needing to be killed over 9000 times to be killed.  If there was a specific number of souls that needed to be killed each time, I'd have less problem with it, but this is just as "I told you so" as the other way, seeing as its totally at the discretion of the writers to decide when one of the homunculus has been killed enough.  So we get situations like Lust's death where they decide she's been killed enough at the most suspenseful moment, which makes it come off as clearly contrived.  Again, it just seems to me that what killed Lust was just a sufficient application of brute force.  But there's no clear indicators on what "sufficient" is, so they can just make it up as they go along.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
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I have no problem with what happened, but I have major problems with how it was executed.  The intention was clear from the approach, and the fact that Ross's survival was treated as a revelation: they wanted it to be a surprise.  It wasn't, therefore they failed in their intention.

Actually I would say the anime team did not want to keep the revelation about what happened to Maria a surprise at all. They did not want to make Mustang seem like a bad guy so they changed the time line to reveal Maria was alive in about 2 seconds in the next episode.

But that being said for being all that predictable I saw plenty of people doubting and not being happy with Mustang. So you figured it out but for being the oldest plot in the book a lot of people were fooled or at least had serious doubts.

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And yet it was that one moment more than anything else which showed the fight to be so clearly contrived.


I don't see how the last second of the fight shows how the entire fight is contrived. I can understand if Mustang had been losing the entire fight and then at that last second he finally managed to kill her. But the fight clearly showed that he had the skills to beat her regardless of that last moment. However just having the ability to win doesn't mean he didn't have a chance to lose since she was also quite skilled. This is what that last second showed. Not to mention it showed that it was a kill or be killed fight. It doesn't define the entire fight.

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Again, manga.  I'm talking about the anime here, so this is irrelevant.  But, don't you think it's not a good sign that you constantly have to resort to relying on the manga to defend this anime?  A good anime will stand on its own two feet, independent of its source material.

Well you got me here. I can't defend the anime itself when I have my own issues with it. However I am defending the storyline of the manga that this anime is adapting.


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And he's not pretty much the exact same thing here?


No if we are talking about Al he is absolutely not. In the first series they did everything to make Al need to be protected by Ed. They turned a character who is only supposed to be a year younger than Ed into literally this almost helpless little kid. Again it's just another way to manipulate emotion out of the viewer.

In this series Al supports Ed just as much as Ed supports him. He also has his own convictions such in the last episode not wanting to see anyone else die. And of course there will be more too.


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But the second series has now missed the chance to make Lust anything more than sub-boss of the week.  I won't disagree that tragic pasts are a dime a dozen now (although I'd have thought it was difficult to avoid in this case, seeing as how all the homunculi are based on people that are dead), but at least they're something that gives these bad guys more than one dimension.  

Yes I will give you that Lust was a compelling character in the first anime and perhaps not much here. But I don't see how this one on one comparison means the first series did a better job with the villains overall. And for all the homunculus were once human, the first anime was really lazy in only giving certain homunculus back stories.



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Bad guys should either be intimidating or humanized (well, depending on circumstances... I guess there's no "should" with bad guys except that they should inspire some sort of response from the audience).  These ones are neither.  They're basically obstacles for the protagonists to overcome and defeat.

You are right the homunculus might not all be intimidating or humanized (well actually there are those of the 7 that fit  both of these descriptions) but I enjoy them because they are creative and actually fit their name sake. So even if they are just plots to overcome for me they are a lot of fun.  





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Only seven people have attempted human transmutation recently, I guess.  Isn't that a detail?  It could have been six or eight, I don't think it would have made a difference to the story.

And yet they purposely named them specifically after the 7 sins. And with the exception of the ones taken from Arakawa's manga you don't even know why they had these random names.  



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But, again, I can't see how this is any less arbitrary than homunculi needing to be killed over 9000 times to be killed.  If there was a specific number of souls that needed to be killed each time, I'd have less problem with it, but this is just as "I told you so" as the other way, seeing as its totally at the discretion of the writers to decide when one of the homunculus has been killed enough.  So we get situations like Lust's death where they decide she's been killed enough at the most suspenseful moment, which makes it come off as clearly contrived.  Again, it just seems to me that what killed Lust was just a sufficient application of brute force.  But there's no clear indicators on what "sufficient" is, so they can just make it up as they go along.

I think saying they need to be killed a blank number of times would be stupid and get old pretty fast. You keep saying there is no challenge in how to fight them but the homunculus themselves are skilled fighters. The challenge is the fight itself.

And no the two cases are not the same thing at all. Because again the way to kill the homunculus makes sense in the context of the rules created by the fantasy world. It's enough for me that the homunculus will die if they are killed enough times because it is clearly established that they are made up of many souls and each time they are killed a soul dies. It's simple but it makes sense even with the description of the homunculus basically being enhanced humans.

The first anime had no such rules and did whatever it wanted. I would be fine with the whole bones & circle thing if it is explained why this specifically would kill them. It never was.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2009, 10:38:08 AM »
Ep. 19

This anime is mediocre.

I want to see the next episode, regardless. Hohenheim seems to be only intriguing factor left in the series as he was not sufficiently explained in neither the movie nor the first series. It's unfortunate that what's to come will likely be more contrivances, awkward "comedic moments", and uninspired characterization.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2009, 07:38:41 PM »
Ep. 20

Yet another example of why this is mediocre. But, at least the story is exploring things left unresolved in the first season. I like the focus and the repeated emphasis on retrieving Al's body (it's been many years since the first season and I don't recall much of it, honestly).

Why did neither Edward or Izumi check the body after the failed transmutation? For the former it is understandable, since he was a kid. Being horrified of what he had done, he probably got help from Pinako to destroy and bury the remains. The aftermath of the human transmutations have always been unclear. What did they do with the huge mess of blood? And damn, what about that fog and smoke?!

It's gotten very melodramatic. Well to be fair, the series has always had that flavor. But here, the cliched and uninspired presentation makes it all very irksome. We just have to have everyone listening to everyone else's private conversations, all the time, right?:

Screenwriter A: BOY OH BOY wadda grand idea, wadda way da go at it!
Screenwriter B: But the problem, aha, is how do we, aha, get the message to the character that it, aha, means the most to?
Screenwriter A: BOY OH BOY ar'ya a slow'un?! Hav'um overhear'it behind a'eva so shrightly open'd door! Or under the stairwell, boy that's purrrfect!
Screenwriter B: You're always, aha, one step ahead of me, Screenwriter A-san, aha.

The "comedy", though there was only one bit, is just silly. We don't need it! You're delivering very serious information that will affect your life from now on--you're certainly not going to digress from your tone, even a bit. Fullmetal Alchemist's infamous comedic timing... it doesn't get old, or does it?

Dang, anyone else thought Winry's last line was delivered with a mouthful of bleu cheese? It may have been the line itself, but for me it's the context. She's unjustified in saying that. She should just not speak for the rest of the series, and I think I'll be okay.

EDIT: Oh, let's also add the "Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Gasp." The memo went something like this: Anytime any character says anything important or surprising, make sure to have at least one of the characters gasp, kyaa~! It's better to have more than one gasp, however, as it provides our animators with a great opportunity to practice their timing skills. Ganbatte! ^_~)*
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #73 on: August 17, 2009, 07:52:51 PM »
It's all well and good for them to have a big build up, for Mustang to do all these phenomenal things to get himself into a position to at least challenge Lust one last time (mind you, all these things happened off-camera, so we're told about what happened to him, rather than shown, again so we can get a contrived "you think he's dead but he's not really" reveal).
 

I am sorry to continue this but I want to bring up a few more important points about this fight.

1) We were not told what Mustang did, we were shown that he burned his wound and he put the insignia on his hand with blood.

2) I do not think we were supposed to think Mustang was dead at all. But Riza thought that and her reaction to what Lust said is key. So for me that scene is all about Riza's relationship with Roy not oh no Roy is dead.


And that brings me to my other point. Certain characters, like Lust and Hughes might get less focus in this series. But that doesn't mean that other characters (including other villains) will not get more focus and development in this series. I am sorry to say but not every character/villain was super developed  in the first series and certainly not by episode 20. It might seem like I constantly put down the first series. I don't hate it. What I hate is this rose colored nostalgia where people seem to not notice any flaws about the first series. And as for contrivances I can name quite a few in the first series.


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Why did neither Edward or Izumi check the body after the failed transmutation? For the former it is understandable, since he was a kid.

Izumi did not think to check the body. the thing that comes out does not even look human so it is not something you would recognize immediately without thinking it through. She doesn't think to check for things like hair and eye color that would identify it as her child. She was emotional distraught after all.

Pinako buried the body herself and cleaned every thing up. Ed and Al never looked at the body again.
 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #74 on: August 17, 2009, 08:05:24 PM »
Izumi did not think to check the body. the thing that comes out does not even look human so it is not something you would recognize immediately without thinking it through. She doesn't think to check for things like hair and eye color that would identify it as her child. She was emotional distraught after all.

Pinako buried the body herself and cleaned every thing up. Ed and Al never looked at the body again.

Wouldn't these details be noticed when handling the body for burial/destruction? Also, both parties acknowledge that they originally believed the transmuted body was the actual baby/actual mother. But the thing came out like some monstrous octopus. No one, not even Izumi's husband, tried to confirm that it is the actual baby, and just assumed it was mutated? Didn't Izumi implied that she knew the hair color? Yet it didn't strike her as strange a few years ago when the hair color didn't match? This whole issue is an odd detail that was never answered from the first season (and still kind of isn't). If they gave it a minute, or a few lines, detailing how they were too stressed/worried/whatever to check the body and that they just dumped it, I'd be okay. But the writing is clearly sloppy and it seemed too convenient.

And the last line about Pinako sounds like an assumption, or something from the manga. But from my memory and the information presented in the anime series, that was not made clear.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #75 on: August 17, 2009, 08:12:42 PM »
Wouldn't these details be noticed when handling the body for burial/destruction? Also, both parties acknowledge that they originally believed the transmuted body was the actual baby/actual mother. But the thing came out like some monstrous octopus. No one, not even Izumi's husband, tried to confirm that it is the actual baby, and just assumed it was mutated? Didn't Izumi implied that she knew the hair color? Yet it didn't strike her as strange a few years ago when the hair color didn't match? This whole issue is an odd detail that was never answered from the first season (and still kind of isn't). If they gave it a minute, or a few lines, detailing how they were too stressed/worried/whatever to check the body and that they just dumped it, I'd be okay. But the writing is clearly sloppy and it seemed too convenient.

The thing looked like a baby but as you said deformed. Izumi ended up checking her and Sig's genetic records after Ed called her and from that figured out that the baby could not be hers. She did not realize it just from looking at it. Basically it went over her head. She just assumed the baby was hers and she killed it a second time. The same with Ed & Al. No one really paid attention to these details back then.

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And the last line about Pinako sounds like an assumption, or something from the manga. But from my memory and the information presented in the anime series, that was not made clear.

Yes it's from the manga. I actually have not watched episode 20 yet (so I don't know what is included and what is not) but this is one of the reasons I am personally not happy with Brotherhood, it leaves a lot of little details like this out. But I figure filling in the blanks with what is in the manga does not hurt.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #76 on: August 17, 2009, 09:10:35 PM »
Ep. 20

Yet another example of why this is mediocre. But, at least the story is exploring things left unresolved in the first season. I like the focus and the repeated emphasis on retrieving Al's body (it's been many years since the first season and I don't recall much of it, honestly).

Why did neither Edward or Izumi check the body after the failed transmutation? For the former it is understandable, since he was a kid. Being horrified of what he had done, he probably got help from Pinako to destroy and bury the remains. The aftermath of the human transmutations have always been unclear. What did they do with the huge mess of blood? And damn, what about that fog and smoke?!

It's gotten very melodramatic. Well to be fair, the series has always had that flavor. But here, the cliched and uninspired presentation makes it all very irksome. We just have to have everyone listening to everyone else's private conversations, all the time, right?:

Screenwriter A: BOY OH BOY wadda grand idea, wadda way da go at it!
Screenwriter B: But the problem, aha, is how do we, aha, get the message to the character that it, aha, means the most to?
Screenwriter A: BOY OH BOY ar'ya a slow'un?! Hav'um overhear'it behind a'eva so shrightly open'd door! Or under the stairwell, boy that's purrrfect!
Screenwriter B: You're always, aha, one step ahead of me, Screenwriter A-san, aha.

The "comedy", though there was only one bit, is just silly. We don't need it! You're delivering very serious information that will affect your life from now on--you're certainly not going to digress from your tone, even a bit. Fullmetal Alchemist's infamous comedic timing... it doesn't get old, or does it?

Dang, anyone else thought Winry's last line was delivered with a mouthful of bleu cheese? It may have been the line itself, but for me it's the context. She's unjustified in saying that. She should just not speak for the rest of the series, and I think I'll be okay.

EDIT: Oh, let's also add the "Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Gasp." The memo went something like this: Anytime any character says anything important or surprising, make sure to have at least one of the characters gasp, kyaa~! It's better to have more than one gasp, however, as it provides our animators with a great opportunity to practice their timing skills. Ganbatte! ^_~)*

^Naturally, of course I am bothered by anything Winry says or does, so I am more or less in the same boat as you.  Regarding the drama, well it is up my alley since at least when its serious, it can be awesome at times.  I mean, it is better this way as opposed to having tons of light-hearted and comedic stuff which has proven to be a complete failure already.

Episode 20

If it were not for Hohenheim being a great anchor and catalyst for the episode, I think it would have fallen apart.  Not to mention, that Akira Senjuu's score is really proving itself as a capable piece of work since his music has carried so many scenes now.  If not for the track near the end with the atypical Shonen element of rising hope and encouragement, the scene would have been horribly flat.

Although, I certainly like the amount of info and revelations going on within the episode since it has lots of promise.  Of course, things like Winry and Ling appearing along with the comedic elements were quite a bother and hard to take seriously.  Especially, when the mood and pacing was instantly dashed near the 15th and during the 16 minute mark.  Other then that, I actually thought this was a great quality episode compared to others for the most part.

I am certainly more intrigued by the events of what happened here then I was with others really.  Although, the name Pinako cerainly seems like a reference to the Tezuka character Pinoko from the Black Jack franchise.  Not to mention, the stature and disgusting moments Pinako had at times allude to the reference quite well, despite age differences.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #77 on: August 18, 2009, 09:23:18 PM »
Not to mention, that Akira Senjuu's score is really proving itself as a capable piece of work since his music has carried so many scenes now.  If not for the track near the end with the atypical Shonen element of rising hope and encouragement, the scene would have been horribly flat.

Definitely pleased to hear this.  Even though I do plan on catching up to the series at some point (timeeee!!! need timeeeeee!!!) I was just slightly afraid that my fanboying for his compositions would be overblown in this instance, so I'm just glad that he's able to deliver the goods. Very much an underrated composer (in my book at least), but I do hope that this show raises his profile among anime fans.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #78 on: August 19, 2009, 01:25:06 PM »
Definitely pleased to hear this.  Even though I do plan on catching up to the series at some point (timeeee!!! need timeeeeee!!!) I was just slightly afraid that my fanboying for his compositions would be overblown in this instance, so I'm just glad that he's able to deliver the goods. Very much an underrated composer (in my book at least), but I do hope that this show raises his profile among anime fans.

I don't know I actually think music is a weak point in the series. Although it's not the score itself which is the problem (which can be quite good at times) just the placement of musical pieces during certain scenes if often wrong. You can have a great score but when not used correctly it can effect a scene in a negative way.

For example when characters are having a quiet heart to heart talk you don't play an overly dramatic piece.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2009, 07:41:53 PM »
Episode 21

I would have thought this episode would have been more fine tuned into something better after the week off.  Then again, we get Winry's idiocy that deflates every scene she is in and rendering them as worthless as she is.  Whoever directed the scene within the 16 minute mark or so was disingenious and insulting towards the audience with the artwork and just awful humor.  Of course, every other part of that nature was just as terrible.  At the sametime, I hope that scene is not supposedly the "good" stuff we get from the manga either.

At least it looks Ling might die next episode which sounds great since he is as essentially as worthless and idiotic as Winry. Then again, he is probably going to stay alive after this only to do absolutely nothing again.  Except, maybe to offend people with his complete stupidity. 

This was also the atypical Shonen-style episode with things like Mustang's encouragement to Havoc, the Homunculi having a "Kenki" as they can be sensed by those with Martial Arts type of ability (thus far), Ed and Al's "genius" idea in using Scar, etc.  Too bad there was nothing on Hohenheim today since it would have been interesting to see what's up on his side.  This episode did not exactly live up to the past few due to the horrific mistakes inflicting more of a dent then they should have.  Maybe, it is better then some past episodes by a slight margin and that is about it.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #80 on: September 03, 2009, 09:06:55 PM »
Ep 21

The idea of baiting himself for the homunculus is just dumb. Logically, it makes sense. But it just doesn't play convincingly: I'm going to fight someone to risk my life so that the Homunculus, who are somehow omnipotent, will come to stop me from dying? Regardless, I was intrigued enough by everything that I watched the next episode preview. What's with the attachment to Winry? Her characterization is so one-dimensional, and she is essentially a worthless character who just serves as someone to help with exposition.

The art and animation is pretty much balls by now for 2009.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #81 on: September 06, 2009, 03:01:53 PM »
Episode 22

Where was this episode and why are things not done in this fashion consistently?  This is by far the best episode of the series since it hit on all quotients except for Winry, who is the most fake character in the entire series.  There is nothing genuine about her even when she is crying and has a gun in hands since she can't even be taken seriously in that situation.  If anything, I was just sitting there hoping that Scar would kill her and of course, she lives in predictable fashion.  (And quite dissatisying).

Speaking of Scar, he has been one of the more compelling and interesting characters in the series.  Not to mention that there are even some extra details that were not really touched on at all in the previous anime, which was a plus.  Another plus is the fact that the horrible humor was kept to a minimum since there seemed to be only one trashy gag in the entire episode.  If Bones can just tone it down on the humor like this from here on out, that would be excellent. 

Still, I am actually pumped up to see the next episode despite the fact that I doubt the transition is going to be as nice and smooth.  It is the first time in a long while where I was actually this excited to see another episode in succession.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2009, 12:22:15 AM »
I was not as impressed.

It's clear that this show is more preoccupied with theatrics than writing something decent. It's not surprising, considering how much the director enjoys employing The Gasp.

Firstly, all the drama is simplistic and linear. The show basks in its own predictability. When Ling's kouhai is threatened, he goes Prince-Shining-Knight-Serious mode. When Winry encounters Scar, she reacts with pain, hate, and horror. Scar hates State Alchemists. Scar wakes up and kills. There is no reflection, no recoil, no elaboration on the weight of an event and the consequence of a choice. When there are opportunities for characters to be themselves in a given "dramatic" situation, they instead act according to obvious, basic human nature.

The appliance of 'chance encounter' is a fun toy for FMA: Brotherhood. Winry just has to bump into the three fighting and overhear the significant part of a dialogue that matters most to her. There's just no other way to convey that information, certainly no other way to continue the story. At the surface, it does not seem contrived with Edward reasoning with Scar before spilling the goods. But I've seen enough of this plot device and have thrown it into the garbage disposal a while back. The writers should follow suit, or even better, jump in there themselves. Hit the switch. Grrghh-grrhghrrggh-zzznnnngg.

I'd like to generalize this episode as "loud, big, and dumb." There's certainly a lot of shouting, or at least characters speaking with emphasis, from start to finish. A handful of explosions. Lots of drama. The pace is fast. But of course, there's no finesse. It's all just surface paint: what's important is that things happen and that characters get emotional. It doesn't matter if what is said or done makes much sense with what had been established previously, as long as it seems exciting...

...That doesn't work on me.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #83 on: September 14, 2009, 09:05:07 PM »
Episode 23

I definitely didn't like this episode much compared to the previous one.   The predictability and convenience hurt a lot more as it was that more dead obvious then others.  It also figures that the same kind of recurring crap plauguing past episodes show up again.  Not to mention, that little girl seriously needs to die.  Now.  Her save felt rather random since the dynamic between her and Scar is minute and pretty damn meaningless.  I really cannot see anything good coming from something as trashy as that in the future.

Ling did a smidgen more then I thought he would even though he is still a worthless character without much contribution overall.  Sadly enough, Lan Fan did just as much with more intelligence and less screentime then the moronic Souten Kouro reject.  That eye suddenly appearing from Gluttony's stomach did not feel like much of a cliffhanger which was kind of disappointing.  All in all, definitely  a worse episode and not a good one at that.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #84 on: September 15, 2009, 10:56:34 PM »
Episode 23

It's a real shame that Ling has not been presented all that well in the anime.  He was actually quite likable in the manga, but then again that's probably because the comedy actually went over well in that medium.

As for Scar, recall how I said he's not a foil to Ed?  It's because of Winry.  Scar is now inextricably tied to this piece of drama, so don't expect any grand introspection or "human" moments from him.  He was always something of a bogeyman in the manga who appeared every few chapters. Also, expect to see a few more exceptionally convenient plot devices thanks to the Chinese girl. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #85 on: September 16, 2009, 01:03:54 PM »
Ep 23.

I wasn't as irritated this time. Of course, more silly plotting, but it's fun. I liked Winry's seiyuu's delivery of the line "I fell in love with him," because it's different from anything before, even if it is a little hard to sympathize with such a trite character.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #86 on: September 20, 2009, 09:05:21 PM »
Also, expect to see a few more exceptionally convenient plot devices thanks to the Chinese girl.

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Episode 24

The episode sucked for most of it's duration due to how the battles were completely ruined by the infamous comedic timing.  Plus, I could still care less about Ran Fan since there is not much to care for or identify with in the first place.  At least the ending was interesting with the little twists at the end.  Still, they were not enough to make up for what was mostly a painful abomination to watch.  Not only that, I didn't know that Naruto would make an appearance with a replacement Jutsu since Mustang pulled that one apparently.  Maybe, he should have done the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu too.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #87 on: September 21, 2009, 10:35:24 PM »
Ep. 24

The battle sequences were very bad and the comedic relief was very bad. However, where the plot is heading is very interesting. Looking forward to what happens in 25.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #88 on: September 27, 2009, 07:17:15 PM »
Episode 25

The first half was painful to watch and I really wish Scar would have just ripped the little girl's head off.  Plot twists were in a bit of a flurry and the crux of it is due in part of how Gluttony is a complete moron, oddly enough.  It also looks like Envy's true form is something other then a dragon, unlike in the movie from a few years back.  Although, there was nothing particularly menacing or even creepy about the thing.  At the very least, things look interesting despite being rather predictable and straightforward at this point.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #89 on: October 04, 2009, 03:51:15 PM »
Episode 26

Interesting episode, especially since I don't ever recall an explanation for King Bradley's existence in the first anime.  With the exception of the little girl not dying off, I would actually say this is a pretty good episode.  This is despite how some of the details raise more questions then answers.  Although, it seems religious references seem to play more of a role here then the first anime.  Especially with all the hints from Lin's remark about Ed's motion to the motivations of the "Father" of the Homunculi.

Or at least, that is how it seems for now unless there is something even bigger then that.  Still, the connection between the "Father" and Hohenheim should be interesting since it looks to be touched on next episode.  Oddly enough, that last scene with Ed lacked some emotional punch for some reason.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #90 on: October 04, 2009, 11:55:39 PM »
Okay, so just out of curiosity...

I stopped watching around episode 7/8 because it sucked. Should I waste my time catching up or is it as bad now as it was then?

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #91 on: October 05, 2009, 12:00:42 AM »
Okay, so just out of curiosity...

I stopped watching around episode 7/8 because it sucked. Should I waste my time catching up or is it as bad now as it was then?

I honestly can't say that the show has improved all that much.  It has only gone from mediocre to above average for me. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #92 on: October 05, 2009, 07:56:57 PM »
So from pretty shitty to slightly less shitty? Awesome.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #93 on: October 12, 2009, 09:02:48 PM »
Episode 27

Just the recap episode with the atypical introspection via dream element.  So, I pretty much skipped more then half of the episode itself.  There is a new OP and ED, neither of which I really care for at all.  Then again, I wonder why the hell there was an unnecessary attempt at Yusuke's (HIGH and MIGHTY COLOR) pseudo-rap style in the ED since it was not very good.  Although, I do wonder if there is really needs to be a switch in music every nine episodes or so? 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #94 on: October 19, 2009, 09:30:00 PM »
Episode 28

Bones must really hate doing this project or something.  Otherwise, they would not make it so obvious that they want to sabotage episodes like these on a consistent basis.   I do not know if the "Father's" quirks in the beginning are from the manga, but that is something that should be completely omitted if that was the case.  There is nothing about those quirks that add to the character or serve any useful purpose either.  Of course, the usual suspects that Bones likes to pull just has to deflate and crash the party in typical fashion too.

I wanted to like the fact that there was somewhat of an expanding exploration on the creation of the Homunculi since that was never fully dealt with in the original.  Same with the plot twist that might make the Asian version of the abomination called Winry in Ling actually useful for once. 

Then again, we get the useless and detestable little girl not dying (again...) for whatever unknown reason and the silly deus-ex machina with Scar that is seen in typical Shonen-genre stuff.  An explanation is due since I might see it with that tattoo being a key for Scar, yet no real reason for anyone else.  Next episode looks to be terrible and I already dread the upcoming farce.  >_>

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #95 on: October 25, 2009, 09:00:17 PM »
Episode 29

The only thing interesting about the episode was in the end credits leading up to the preview.  Other then that, I could have cared less.  Especially since Winry's appearance was pointless and unnecessary while managing to badly botch a minor part entirely as always.  Not to mention, the usual disappointments (infamous comedic timing or lack thereof) occur in addition.  Surprisingly enough, they actually tried to make Armstrong as someone to take seriously this episode.   Not that it worked this time around, but maybe next episode it will.

Also, how the **** can someone so swift and accurate like Wrath miss his attempt in decapitating that little girl?  Honestly...

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #96 on: November 02, 2009, 10:36:59 PM »
Episode 30

The awful humor and Hughes' behavior is still as detrimental and jarring as ever.  It is a nice way to interrupt the flow in the beginning and somewhere near the middle of the show when it is important not to have distasteful, idiotic behavior inserted for no reason.  Not to mention, the use of the tattoo was an awful excuse just to have cheap, inexcusable fanservice around.  Never mind how a good amount of the seiyuu are from the cast of Gundam 00 which used fanservice as an ineffective way to make viewers ignore that show's numerous flaws.

There are certainily a few details and subplots that the story will have to picked up later on like the experiment of Hawkeye's father which probably has something to do with the Philosopher's Stone.  On the other hand, Kimblee almost stole the show despite only having a more minor part in the entire episode.  It also looks like Armstrong still can't be taken seriously after the last time since his part was not even covered at all.  Maybe next time.

The little girl manages to defy the odds in stupidity once again near the end that really did not warrant her being alive ages ago.  At least Scar comes in and makes up for it despite the somewhat disappointing way Marcoh's role played out in the end.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #97 on: November 09, 2009, 10:25:21 PM »
Episode 31

An episode filled with details is definitely somthing this series desperately needed.  At the very least, a good amount of character-centric material was actually approrpiate for once.  If nothing else, an episode like this also tells why weeding out vestigial garbage such as random quips about Winry are a good thing.  Things could have easily gone sour if a Tytania was pulled during the frivolous search for the little girl. 

Lan Fan's dynamic is still arbitrary and ineffective since characters like herself can't generate enough emotional weight in scenes like the one with the grandfather to convince one to care.  Unfortunately, she still has little to no credibility as a character, especially with her predictable and trite role.  Despite the actual results for Marcoh, he still has the unfortunate notion of being fed as just a plot device.

At the very least, it seems the plot is still moving onwards if nothing else.  And, the preview actually looks like something decent and could be good if executed right.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #98 on: November 15, 2009, 09:00:54 PM »
Episode 32

It is always amazing how educated figures in animes always seem to lack a form of discretion and subtlety during more discreet, covert situations.  Then again, it shouldn't take anymore then a miniscule amount of common sense to realize that using a technique in adjusting one's voice in maintaining a disguise is one of the best courses of action.  Or even using a way of changing the facial structure somewhat since this is a series where people have those abilities.  Of course, a huge guy moving large bookshelves is not really plausible when applying secrecy either.

For the most part, the episode was a throw away since not even the part about Selim was enough to give more then what was already known.  Combine this with the usual suspects plaguing the anime and this does not amount to much.  This is other then showing the convenient fact that Kimblee is an instant genius, of course.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #99 on: December 01, 2009, 10:17:00 PM »
Episodes 34 and 35

It is amazing how developments pertaining to a portrayal of a rugged, stricly absolute, no nonsense fortress look like a complete joke.  I think I would have rather seen something more about the Drakma moreso then a random homunculus thrown in to move the particular points in this chain of events.  Then again, that is how it always is in shonen fare where a powerful drone-type mini-boss is just there for that purpose, even without reason at times.

Somehow, I predict a sub-plot between the half-Ishbalan soldier and Scar in predictable fashion since it will probably just occur to tie in things with Kimblee's pursuit.  At the very least, Olivier is far more respectable then her brother, who is always on his own planet deep in the universe.  Although, the tough chick character will never be done better then with Claymore.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #100 on: December 10, 2009, 10:51:59 PM »
Oh crap, we're at Briggs.  This is when the manga starts to go downhill... 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #101 on: December 10, 2009, 11:55:31 PM »
Please tell me that the rest of the material after this little arc is not going to be awful afterwards.  I mean, I am already unimpressed with the current stuff.  Then again, this series as a whole has not really been impressive to begin with.  I would hate to have to abandon ship at this point if what you said is true and it does translate in this anime.  Although, a manga in turmoil is never a good sign while it is still ongoing.

Well, if nothing else at least there is Kemono no Souja Erin even if the fun in that series is not going to last long since it is almost finished as part of my lineup of ongoing series.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #102 on: December 10, 2009, 11:59:56 PM »
Please tell me that the rest of the material after this little arc is not going to be awful afterwards.  I mean, I am already unimpressed with the current stuff.  Then again, this series as a whole has not really been impressive to begin with.  I would hate to have to abandon ship at this point if what you said is true and it does translate in this anime.  Although, a manga in turmoil is never a good sign while it is still ongoing.

The manga isn't really in turmoil.  It's just that the finale is turning out to be rather lukewarm in comparisons to what I saw as an otherwise great story.  Considering that you've been kicking around this show for a while, I doubt it'll get any worse for you, but it certainly won't get better.     

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #103 on: December 11, 2009, 12:17:30 AM »
Well, I can't help it since I just call it like I see it.  And another case of a somewhat dissatisfying finale for an anime or manga?  Hopefully, not as empty as I felt when viewing Tsubasa Chronicle's final arc which was pretty deflating (and confusing as hell) to an otherwise pretty good manga at one point.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #104 on: December 14, 2009, 10:24:37 PM »
Episodes 36

That was fairly disappointing since they could have done more then just make Raven a one minute character that ends up as Olivia's prey.  At the sametime, this arc is a painful reminder that Bones cannot execute much correctly for this series with the exception of the music and animation.  Hohenheim's memories was actually a nice touch,even though it might have been better to have an episode expanding on this instead of that flashback episode.  At the very least, there seems to be a reminder of a bigger picture which was necessary to keep this going.

Although, this seems to be yet another setup to insure that we know how much of a witty genius Kimblee must be.  At the sametime, the whole automail gimmick seems to be clearly an excuse just to throw a clearly unwelcome character like Winry back into the fray even though she serves no real purpose.  It is also laughable how Bones wanted to pull an East of Eden with one of the resident morons in that little girl who needs to die.  The little girl having any form of intelligence is as (un)likely as a moronic ditz like Saki having a clue as to what a computer variable is.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #105 on: December 30, 2009, 10:30:27 PM »
Episodes 37 and 38

Winry destroys the show's credibility at will and does it once more in this pair of unworthy, farcical episodes.  Kimblee lost his credibility as a legitimate villian while being used as a tool for a botched, ineffective, and unconvincing idiot savant moment for Winry.  A completely moronic ditz who has no clue what the word hostage means outwitting anyone is a sign of things going down.  Of course, Winry's stupidity trickles over when most of the scenes are mistreated under the category of "dumb blond" comedic fodder.  I also have no idea who directed the animation for episode 38 since it resembles the inconsistency Rurouni Kenshin had with it's characters in particular.

It is a shame that the one or two twists can't overcome the sheer amount of stupidity since they are not particularly great themselves.  Selim's gimmick as the omnipotent devil disguised as a child has been done countless times to death.  Not to mention, this underwhelms an interesting aspect of Wrath's character and falls into the atypical deception seen in shonen fare.  While it is nice to reference Yoki's part from the original, it is rather out of place at this point.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #106 on: January 04, 2010, 09:58:31 PM »
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May the befriending process begin. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #107 on: January 18, 2010, 10:50:56 PM »
Episode 39

The new OP and ED were familiar in sound like any other anime theme and were not as good as previous songs for the anime.  That is to be expected nowadays with a series this long to regress on quality.

If there was ever a good time for manga material to be edited and corrected on the fly, this episode proved it.  It is a complete contradiction for an incapable moron like Winry to concoct a plan to use herself as a hostage when she couldn't even grasp what the word meant in the first place.  Not that she would have a clue of what such a situation would look like either.  It is not hard to have someone like Miles present the idea since no one would be out of character and the credibility is intact as well.

The exchange between Miles/Scar was handled better then in most cases of shonen fare and a mediocre or worse series like Naruto could learn how to use some restraint on debating morality without instantly delving into extremities.  Too bad that this could not make up for the episode's mediocrity.

If nothing else, the ending of the episode was a breath of fresh air with the foreshadowing presented with the "Father" gathering his pawns into place.

Episode 40
There should be more well composed, serious, informative episodes like this.  It is a shame that BONES cannot execute this well as often as they really ought to.  A brooding, reserved atmosphere that created enough tension when necessary is what made the episode actually good.  Not to mention, this could have replaced the recap episode from way back.  Interestingly enough, the interaction between the very first homunculus and Hohenheim seemed to resemble something from Bonen no Xam'd.  At the very least, it made slightly more sense in this case and did not require Toru Furuya (aka Amuro Ray) reprising a previous role.

Funny enough, an addition of Toru Furuya would have made the complete casting of Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 complete in that sense.  Although, it certainly would be nice if more of the cast could at least be like the very first homunculus as it actually made it's time worthwhile in the very few scenes featuring it.

There seems to be some hope that there can be a gem like this within a sea of mediocrity since the Briggs arc has been horribly underwhelming thus far.  Not to mention that it is remarkable how an episode like this is given the proper treatment while an entire arc involving a military fortress is not.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #108 on: January 18, 2010, 11:47:59 PM »
Funny enough, an addition of Toru Furuya would have made the complete casting of Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 complete in that sense.  Although, it certainly would be nice if more of the cast could at least be like the very first homunculus as it actually made it's time worthwhile in the very few scenes featuring it.
Actually, Ribbons was voiced by Toru Furuya (ANN) which made the finale between 0 Gundam and 00 such a fan pleaser. 

Episode 40
Probably the first genuinely good episodes of the series.  It seems that the director is finally getting a grasp on how to build up drama, but then again, Hoenheim's background story is one of the stronger points of the manga so that probably helped.  I hope he can create the same sense of atmosphere and immersion for future episodes since the plot is only a few arcs away from going nuclear.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #109 on: January 19, 2010, 01:09:55 AM »
Actually, I was referring to the fact that a majority of the cast if not the whole cast of Gundam 00 is in this anime.  So, I was actually saying that Toru Furuya appearing in this anime would have made the whole casting of that group complete.  But, I probably didn't word that well enough.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #110 on: January 27, 2010, 11:13:30 PM »
Episode 41

After an actual episode worth watching, it is disappointing to see things back on track in normal fashion.  Despite the usual being slightly toned down for a BONES effort, the episode was still rough in execution.  Especially due to the fact that the over the top approach pretty much gave a forced feeling and the plotting was rather silly.  Not that the same philosphical/moral drivel seen in almost every Shonen style series helped since the principles were previously established ad nauseum.  Then again, there needs to be a series that kicks those notions to the curb and suggest the complete opposite while actually sticking to it's guns.

Not seeing problematic characters such as Winry certainly made a huge difference since last episode was smooth sailing.  The way Edward tried to get up after being impaled was heavy handed and underwhelming since the scene could have worked better even without dialogue.  While establishing romantic material and the close link between characters was never this series' strong point, it is as weak and underwhelming as Winter Sonata's attempts at subtlety with it's thick melodrama. 

Last episode was certainly missed and it will be for as long as the series retains it's normal way of doing things. The packaging for this episode certainly did not cut it by comparison.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #111 on: February 02, 2010, 11:01:21 PM »
Episode 42

Outside of the inappropriately taut and silly beginning, the episode was fine since that is how things usually turn out when Von Hohenheim is involved for a good amount of time.  At least some restraint was shown when Von Hohenheim was on the ground begging for food since that was a complete disaster waiting to happen.  That is an actual impressive feat for a show that has not shied away from ruining itself and running episodes to the ground, even with actual important plot points about.  Although, continuing the slew of idiot savant monents by using coincidental accidents is certainly not welcome.  If the mangaka does not understand that the little girl who is as stupid as Winry has no form of believability in moments of intelligence, it is the job of those in the production of this anime to correct that mistake.

Then again, this might be as close to episode 40 as it gets without idealistic garbage about war ruins the rest of the arc.  Considering how a majority of the cast of Gundam 00 is onboard, the seiyuu would be in their element for doing a bad job of portraying such things.  If nothing else, at least Kimblee's seiyuu is casted as an actual villian instead of a clueless pretty boy protagonist that happened to have a Gundam and one of the worst romances in recent years.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #112 on: February 12, 2010, 11:42:52 PM »
Episode 43

I really wish BONES would learn how to transition between scenes seemlessly since they completely dropped the ball.  The comedic scenes were excruciatingly awful and destroyed the previously established mood and flow.  Envy's possession of Yoki and the Armstrong siblings' quibbling are god awful followups to their respective preceedings.  A shame when the focus of some nice bits like Hawkeye's mini conversation with the Fuhrer is shifted to such unnecessary mistakes.  It is things like this that can make the manga that is supposedly revered as a god completely impervious to criticism a questionable product at times.

If there is one worthwhile joke actually worth telling it would be the little girl being killed by Envy in a bloody mess during her journey with no chance of her reappearing again.  That is some good humor right there.  Marcoh's technique to destroy the Philospher's Stone or even just to decompose it enough was something that would be appropriate for a technique/jutsu/attack explanation.  Instead, that time was spent on how to ruin the transition of the episode.

One saving grace is the fact that this arc looks like it might be over since it was mediocrity that was pretty painful.  If there was a clinic on how to mess up an arc mostly involving a military base, this was it.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #113 on: February 16, 2010, 09:27:41 AM »
Episode 44

Greed vs. Anger next episode.  Brace for epic. 

As for the episode itself, Ling's exchange with Greed was far more impacting in the manga, but I felt a tinge of excitement from the exchange.  The scene were Ed first appears on screen all smug and confrontational also was better in the manga since it was months since we had last seen Ed (instead of 2 weeks).

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #114 on: February 17, 2010, 12:08:32 AM »
Episode 44

It is garbage like fanservice that makes a series like this garner less respect while making episodes like this turn out erratic as a result.  BONES really needs to refer to episode 40 and relearn the formula to success from that.  (Hint: It does not include unnecessary and dismal mistakes like fanservice, horribly misplaced comedy, or cars that look like an abomination from a random video game).  If nothing else, some decently built tension and resulting brutality in the end was somewhat worthwhile in itself.  Even if it was only to tell us that the next episode is a huge brawl.  At least the animation quality looks good for what it is worth in the preview.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #115 on: February 21, 2010, 09:23:57 PM »
Episode 45

Epic fight scene was epic.  This show has done many, many things wrong, but I must tip my hat to what they've done with Greed and Wraith.  I also LOLed at the Armstrong family succession scene.  Then, we arrived at that Chinese girl... and her completely irrational decision.  Oh well, I'll happily take two out of three.

The rest of the episode set up the grand finale.  It's not high drama, but I enjoyed it.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #116 on: February 22, 2010, 11:35:58 PM »
Episode 45

This episode was completely overshadowed by the fact that Kidou Senshi Gundam Unicorn (the prettiest looking Universal Century-based anime) is out.  FMA's version of Casshern vs Dio from two years ago from a great show called Casshern: SINS should have been a tad longer.  Not to mention, seeing some of the little things like the dish breaking in that one camera angle was actually quite nice.  I did not really care for the mop up effort in gathering everything together for the next episode since the mess won't clean itself up so quickly anyway.

It also seems that Olivier has studied under the school of Rurouni Kenshin's Saito Hajime since she is ripping off the originally left-handed Gatotsu.  I guess we have to wait and see if she has mastered Gatotsu Zero-Shiki since the opportunity to shed some light into her battle skills was merely teased for a terrible family succession sequence.  Then again, the Wolf of Briggs will bring down her justice of Aku Soku Zan in an awesome way on someone other then her moronic brother in the future since that fight should be excellent.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #117 on: February 26, 2010, 06:40:05 AM »
Whew, finally caught up to episode 45. Better late than never in getting on the Brotherhood bandwagon...

The Greed-Wraith fight was awesome, but honestly I think their fight between the first Greed and Wraith in episode 14 was just as wonderful. I can't really tell which is better, you know what's [strike]even[/strike] should have been better? The Armstrong bout. Man, I was so pissed that something epic is not shown in full view. Alex's muscles could never match against Olivier's balls-shrinking persona, anyway.

I hate the Chinese girl, ever since she first appeared. Doesn't add anything to the show.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #118 on: February 26, 2010, 07:06:34 AM »
I hate the Chinese girl, ever since she first appeared. Doesn't add anything to the show.
I wish she had more of a role in the show -___-' I really like Mei but she's kind of pointless and very easily manipulated.  Envy's SO cute though =3

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #119 on: March 01, 2010, 10:26:33 PM »
I hate the Chinese girl, ever since she first appeared. Doesn't add anything to the show.
I wish she had more of a role in the show -___-' I really like Mei but she's kind of pointless and very easily manipulated.  Envy's SO cute though =3

Women and their (irrational) penchant for all things they deem cute and cuddly.  =P

Episode 46

Another atypical mop up episode that has to have some fireworks before things finally swing into motion.  Then again they just had to make a good chunk of the episode meaningless by forcing unnecessary screen time for Winry as a terrible way to open the episode.  Not only were the stagnant jokes not humorous in any sense of the word, BONES seems clueless to the fact that anything involving such a worthlessly tawdry character always goes awry.  Even the uplifting pep talk can not be done right and the fact that Edward was trying to be a little realistic is even more of a messy fit.  Edward and blonde ditzy moron never had much chemistry going to pull that off in the first place either.

If nothing else, at least the cilffhanger looks like it might transition into something decent.  I guess the countdown until Gatotsu Zero-Shiki continues.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #120 on: March 02, 2010, 07:36:28 AM »
Episode 46

I think the brand of humor in Brotherhood isn't that funny too. Worse, they're forced and mistimed, always somewhere amidst tense moments and just breaking any tension in a terrible way.  At least, the old series have funny moments which are cute rather than slapstick.

Just one question: How does Major General Hakuro know about the impending coup d'etat? A tip-off or information leak somewhere?

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #121 on: March 02, 2010, 08:46:07 AM »
Just one question: How does Major General Hakuro know about the impending coup d'etat? A tip-off or information leak somewhere?
Rewatch episode 45.  Hakuro is the first one to receive the information from Briggs and he passes on the information to Hawkeye's friend.

Episode 46

Right now the anime has come extremely close to where the manga is at.  I actually wouldn't be surprised if the anime finishes mere weeks after the manga (or perhaps eclipse it altogether).

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #122 on: March 09, 2010, 07:00:38 PM »
Episode 47

Oh crap, we're at the shounen fight'n phase.  This explains how they'll get another season out of this though.   

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #123 on: March 09, 2010, 10:47:53 PM »

Episode 47

I wonder why they must put an emphasis on the animal instincts of the lackeys now instead of earlier on when it might have been more appropriate.  It is not as if this gimmicky aspect is going to improve those characters or add any dimension to them in any run.  Considering the weight of the exchange between Hohenheim and Edward, it might have been nice if BONES would not have half-assed the moment while in transition.  If subtlety was the goal, this was not achieved by cutting to the main character pigging out with deformed faces despite a meaningful detail or two still left beforehand.  It is sad that other animes that may even include other shounen-types could pull that off far better.

Lan Fan's anti-climatic return will probably have her reverting back to normal as she gets pummeled in future match ups like all minor subordinates do in the end.  The sad thing is that she has already done more damage then Lin has done to anyone at all in one attack.


Episode 47

Oh crap, we're at the shounen fight'n phase.  This explains how they'll get another season out of this though.   

What?  Another season of this disappointing crap?  I don't know if I would really want to sit through another 50 episodes of this at all.  Are there really that many arcs to cover even though this is supposedly as close to the manga's pace as can be?

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #124 on: March 10, 2010, 12:12:29 AM »
What?  Another season of this disappointing crap?  I don't know if I would really want to sit through another 50 episodes of this at all.  Are there really that many arcs to cover even though this is supposedly as close to the manga's pace as can be?

No another 12 or so episodes in addition to the 50. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #125 on: March 10, 2010, 07:00:48 AM »
I think they overexaggerated the return of Ran Fan just a little bit =S but still, I'm excited to see her back.
These past few episodes have been extremely slow for me... probably because I don't enjoy action sequences as much as everyone else @_@ I'm just impatiently waiting for the story to finish now.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #126 on: March 10, 2010, 08:33:14 AM »
I could've sworn that Lao Fan's automail is way cooler than Edward's.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #127 on: March 17, 2010, 10:16:59 PM »
Episode 48

A little cannibalism always goes a long way and never hurts anyone except the person being devoured.  But, all was good and well in homunculus land this day as Gluttony wailed in tears and anguish in sacrificial, unwarranted, bittersweet death.  Thus, Pride gorged on like a proud king in all glory with many a kill to gain.  Notably, the bowls of blood were also considered a delicious delicacy as well.

A standard action packed episode that was relatively dry due to the lack of actual tension, while the buildup for this was broken up right in the beginning.  Focusing on the parts with Mustang a bit more might have helped since those were actually more interesting then the battles.  The "Father" has also been a flat, lacking villian due to the miniscule screen time with some arbitrary ponderings along the way.  A little more focus on Olivier's predicament may have helped this as well.

Thus far, the post-Briggs arc is rather underwhelming and probably needs something to jump start it towards the finale.  For all of it's faults, at least this episode was animated beautifully enough.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #128 on: March 17, 2010, 10:29:17 PM »
Thus far, the post-Briggs arc is rather underwhelming and probably needs something to jump start it towards the finale.
This.

And it's kinda sad to see Olivier relegated to office politics, from whipping people's asses back at her castle where it was way more fun to watch.

Don't you mean episode 48?

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #129 on: March 17, 2010, 10:52:16 PM »
Yeah, I just noticed that after going on MAL just now.  XD  Then again, I think I am starting to realize why Shadowmage made that warning earlier.  Not that I wanted to believe it entirely.  But damn, that is how things are going.  I am still waiting until Olivier busts out her 4 Gatotsus since the countdown to Zero-Shiki is still going.  Lol.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #130 on: March 22, 2010, 01:52:36 PM »
Episode 49

You know what, I've enjoyed these last few action episodes more than most of the rest of the series.  This is probably because the manga really stopped being exceptional from the Pride fight onwards, so Director Yasuhiro Irie's mediocre work really doesn't feel completely out of place.  

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #131 on: March 22, 2010, 11:03:34 PM »
Episode 49

It is irksome that Pride is the Homunculi with some form of character development and mostly due to convenience moreso then anything else.  The first FMA anime did this correctly by attempting to give almost, if not all the Homunculi more dimension(s) to their characters.  This treatment is horribly unfair especially since Pride is bland to begin with and no better then his comrades at all.

This was another dry episode that couldn't even muster up the excitement despite Hohenheim's fireworks.  It is probably the fact that the current part of this haul has dragged on far enough or felt that way despite being only a few episodes.  Hopefully the pace will actually start to pick up since a little brevity would help.  (Or would have helped earlier in general).  Then again, "split up and meet" parts of a story usually don't have the timely judgment to use this correctly.  Especially not when it comes to modern-day shonen fare.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #132 on: March 23, 2010, 08:00:52 AM »
49:

The thing about Pride is, he has the potential to be the most badass Homunculus, yet he pales in comparison to the rest of his brethren (and no, I wasn't so impressed when he ate Gluttony). He has the most dangerous form of ability and yet he can have emotions; he should be tearing people to shreds for the lulz. He is "Wrath", after all.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #133 on: March 30, 2010, 09:36:00 PM »
Episode 50

The only 2 parts that caught my attention were Olivier's 5 (or less) minutes and the ending with the mannequins.  Too bad the creepiness never kicked in with all the wailing since the tension and urgent desperation were not conveyed too well.  Overall, the episode was rather lackluster and a poor buildup to the next episode which looks like it might be epic.  It might have been nice if I could have cared more about this episode though.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #134 on: March 31, 2010, 06:59:17 PM »
50:

FSI's right. This is just one of those episodes that just helps to build up to those more exciting ones. The zombies' uprising and Olivier's retaliation (IT'S ABOUT TIME! She doesn't fit in the office politics mould at all) make up for a good next episode.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #135 on: March 31, 2010, 09:18:30 PM »
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In the manga virtually every other scene in this episode from Havoc's return to Olivier's return was epic.  Then again, the manga was paced exceptionally well and the several events of this episode were released in a time frame of months, not one 21 minute episode.  The artificial human screams is actually where the manga lost me because I realized that the show had pretty much committed to a shounen action end. 

In Bone's original anime adaptation, Dante may not have been the most compelling antagonist, but at least the show did a great job tying themes and ideas together for a satisfying finale.

Oh tormented Scar how I miss thee; Brotherhood has reduced to you to a mere boogieman who gets befriended.   


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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #136 on: March 31, 2010, 10:33:05 PM »
Oh tormented Scar how I miss thee; Brotherhood has reduced to you to a mere boogieman who gets befriended.   


Now that you mention it, gotta love atypical Shonen bullshit when it does it's magic.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #137 on: April 05, 2010, 10:33:00 PM »
Episode 51

The new OP is not a bad song, although it just does not do much to keep one's attention.  Winry is such trash that even a supposed serious moment of tears destroyed the mood and seriousness of an entire animation sequence.  It is a shame since the obvious good choice of omitting such garbage was not an apparent option.  On the other hand, I was indifferent to the ED, yet the animation sequence for that should have been used over the previous one.

The one phrase to describe this episode for me is: "That is it?"  I could have done without all the silly crap and clearly intentional sneaks of inappropriate humor in this episode.  Not to mention that Olivier's single bout debut was ruined and disastrous due to one idiotic cliche kicking in.  The lack of screen time to actually show something was a detriment as well.  This episode did nothing to make Olivier justify her (implied) status as a heavyweight fighter at all.

That disgraceful Chinese version of Winry should have also died in this episode since Envy should have finished the job.  It is insulting (on all fronts including one's intelligience) that BONES tried to make that piece of horse shit look better then someone respectable like Olivier.  Overall, a disappointing and underwhelming episode.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #138 on: April 06, 2010, 06:42:29 AM »
51

LOUIS ARMSTRONG! Oh, how I miss your manly action!

I'm relieved that Olivier is finally fighting. Fighting, not sitting in a conference. I don't know if I can see Olivier's solo fight, but Sloth VS the Armstrongs is one epic battle.

Finally, Kimblee's back in the picture. I was wondering where the hell he's been.

I knew the kung fu girl's return to the central city was a bad idea. It's foreseeable from miles away.

Overall, a disappointing and underwhelming episode.
You think so? I feel refreshed by the episode.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #139 on: April 06, 2010, 09:44:03 PM »
For me it was another run of the mill action episode that did not deliver enough imo.  The main disappointment was the mishandling of Olivier's "debut" that was ruined by Alex's unnecessary, over the top, and cliched shonen-style save.  This episode was supposed to be Olivier's moment to shine, not to be stolen and undermined.  Plus, as you can guess I am not a fan of the male Armstrong so I was not overly impressed or excited over the appearance.

But, I just never got that same feeling you did overall from the episode nor a better impression after the last episode which was not the best at it's job as a setup for this sort of thing.  Maybe next episode even though I am not overly happy about the team-up or the possible burial if Alex takes out Sloth one on one.  Then again, I am of the belief that it is time for a badass female to have her single grandstand ala Roy Mustang (way back against Lust) as well.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #140 on: April 11, 2010, 05:54:57 PM »
Episode 52

Right now Fullmetal Alchemist is just Soul Eater with a better plot.  I loved the fights in Soul Eater just like I like the fights here.  The problem for both shows is that I really don't feel anything from the bottom of my gut like I do with something like Gurren Lagann or even the last few minutes of Gundam Unicorn.  The reason the manga was loved was that at the end end of every chapter, there was usually something the audience could get excited about, but the whole project has simply not translated well at all.

I gave Soul Eater a 5 (probably deserved a 6 in hindsight) and Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood won't be getting anything higher unless I start jumping on my chair screaming "hell yeah."  Considering that I believe that  the manga actually degenerates in the finale, Bones better have Sword of the Stranger-esque visuals for the last 11 episodes for that to happen.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #141 on: April 11, 2010, 08:42:34 PM »
Episode 52

It looks like Olivier got buried due to everyone else looking better then her.  (Yoki actually kicked more ass and reaped more glory then Olivier, which is a complete insult period).  Great show of strength by being portrayed as meek and done in by another cliched save shonen-style no less.  This was another action-packed episode that I didn't care about and the fact that there seems to be no indication of excellence ala episode 40 in the future is disheartening.

At least the new anime by Madhouse called Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shinichin was awesome and an Anime of the Year candidate already.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #142 on: April 16, 2010, 07:08:12 PM »
52

I like this episode a lot. A lot of things are happening fast, and although Olivier still hasn't had her moment of glory yet (there's still another 11 episodes for her to shine), I think Louis has taken a step forward with being more assertive. I think his benevolence is what's keeping him from becoming a potential badass.

The Alphone arc is also entertaining, but I can't help but notice how Kimblee is overshadowed. So, what happens to him now? If he's dead, then what about the promising bout between him and Scar? Such an underused villain.

I do think that the Edward arc was becoming stale (yeah, fighting immortal zombies does get boring quick), only until Mustang showed up. I guess the next episode is another moment for him to shine again. The only thing I hate about the episode is the Envy arc. Man, what a waste of time that is. That Xing girl needs to be removed from the show fast.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #143 on: April 18, 2010, 04:57:24 PM »
Episode 53

Holy crap.  Did they just devote an entire episode to what is about 3 sentences of development?  This really is a shounen action anime now.

Regardless, I loved how Bones animated Roy this episode.  Virtually all his expressions were memorable enough to be screen-capped, converted into an avatar or GIF-ed.  Such a shame that the clunky dialogue of preceding to his rampage did not create the right mood for me to get truly excited.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #144 on: April 19, 2010, 08:28:28 AM »
53:

WE NEED MORE MUSTANG IN MURDEROUS RAGE. I'd had enough to put up with all his scheming in Central prior to this episode. It's that adrenaline deja vu rush I get back when he  incinerated Lust. But yeah, Shadowmage's right: intense moments like that need to have the rights words for dialogue. Otherwise, it leaves a sour aftertaste to an otherwise delicious episode.

If only the Armstrongs are this vicious. Louis has the alchemy powers but not the attitude; Olivier has the attitude but not the powers.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #145 on: April 19, 2010, 09:10:02 PM »
Episode 53

Looks like BONES took a small cue from Madhouse's adaptation of Death Note with their animation of Roy Mustang's facial expressions.  This episode would have been terrible if it were just like any other typical episode from this anime.  The fact that the serious tone was kept throughout the episode is the only reason why it is actually respectable at all.

Still, I don't see why BONES could not perform a basic 101 in having both Olivier and Mustang showcase great signs of strength back to back.  Especially when one needed it far more credibility-wise then the other.  That would have been a nice way to make things justifiably epic even with the all the silly crap from the past few episodes or so.

On another note, I wish that all the useless trash in this anime would have been burned to death by Roy since it is a horrible shame that the abominable and disgraceful Chinese version of Winry didn't die due to pin-point accuracy that was far too perfect.  That would have been the perfect bonfire right there.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #146 on: April 26, 2010, 07:36:42 AM »
Episode 54

Is it just me or has the show gotten more watchable?

I actually managed to get into this episode instead of watching events blankly.  I liked how Scar's words affected Mustang the most, I liked how Envy wallowed in misery before killing himself and I finally felt a small tinge of excitement for the next episode.   

That being said, this is pretty much when I couldn't stop denying that Fullmetal Alchemist was a full-blood shounen action anime since this was probably the most didactic moment of the series.  Revenge and forgiveness are such overdone themes, and the latter didn't quite strike me as genuine because it felt like an intervention moment in a staged melodramas.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #147 on: April 27, 2010, 09:15:03 PM »
Episode 54

The opening sequence did frustrate me because the series as a whole could have been as decent or even great with more moments like that.  I just can't understand why this cannot be done more consistently when this kind of competent effort is clearly possible.  It is bothersome when a series is obviously capable of more and makes little effort to reach those heights at all.

Now that I noticed it, it seems that Envy suffers from Dilandau syndrome from Escaflowne where he acts like a manaical badass, yet can't back up a word of it. Sympathy is pretty hard to draw when the character is essentially pathetic trash whose characteristics and behavior shoot themselves in the foot.  It is especially difficult when atypically idiotic Shonen-style moral/ethic trips ruin these moments and render them more apathetic.  That segment was just hard to swallow and might have been better with some raging flames of justice.  Just a thought.

Olivier's burial is finally complete as Alex single-handedly defeats the homunculus while taking all the glory.  (Honestly, what does it take for a female character that is implied as strong/mighty to at least look half as good as advertised?)  At least the Hohenheim/Father aka (1rst) Homunculus face off is underway which should be more interesting then everything else that has gone on.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #148 on: April 28, 2010, 08:42:03 AM »
54

Another enjoyable episode, and perhaps a good buildup for the next one. It turned out the way I expected it to be; don't know if it's necessarily for the better but it didn't turn out to be that bad. Envy's misery did make everything fall into place, especially with Scar, Mustang and Hawkeye's new roles.

I don't know what to make out of the Armstrong/Sloth slugfest. It's mostly underwhelming but the problem is, Sloth is quite a dull Homunculus to begin with. It's as if the fight isn't able to push the limits in the first place. Plus, to add to the mediocrity, what are the chances of Louis relocating his shoulder by receiving a swing...?

Where the hell are Greed and Wrath when you need them? Hasn't Wrath been on hiatus long enough?

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #149 on: May 02, 2010, 02:03:25 PM »
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You must have balls of steel for not only watching past the first two seconds of the Inuyasha sequel, but to also write a review about it afterwards.  Your brain must have been ****ed up and probably even nearly destroyed completely in the process.  To manage that through all of that miserable pain, I commend you.  The predictability of the series is no surprise since the manga is that god awful.  You can essentially skip 500+ chapters of it without ever missing a beat and go straight to the ending.  (Which is exactly what I did).

Had I even known you were going to bother with all of that, I would have told you to just skip to the very last chapter of the manga and save yourself tons of trouble.

Episode 55

This was considerably worse then the past few episodes since things reverted back to "normal" with the stupid deformed faces and horrible jokes along with all of the silly crap about.  The past few episodes were not even that great either.  Not to mention, the predictability made everything fall flat in the end considering it is no surprise due to what happened.

In anycase, I just hope this series ends in a satisfactory enough manner even if it can be seen from miles away.  **** this anime, I am gonna go rewatch episode 4 of Rainbow since it is that much more awesome. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #150 on: May 02, 2010, 08:11:34 PM »
Episode 55

Meh.  

The Greed vs. Anger fight scene next episode should be worthwhile.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #151 on: May 03, 2010, 01:35:15 AM »
Well, I was not surprised in the least to see that Brotherhood still sucked. Awesome.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #152 on: May 03, 2010, 07:54:33 AM »
@AC
You must have balls of steel for not only watching past the first two seconds of the Inuyasha sequel, but to also write a review about it afterwards.  Your brain must have been ****ed up and probably even nearly destroyed completely in the process.  To manage that through all of that miserable pain, I commend you.  The predictability of the series is no surprise since the manga is that god awful.  You can essentially skip 500+ chapters of it without ever missing a beat and go straight to the ending.  (Which is exactly what I did).

Had I even known you were going to bother with all of that, I would have told you to just skip to the very last chapter of the manga and save yourself tons of trouble.
You know, the only reason why I was able to stand all 26 episodes was because of my wise decision to watch it weekly instead of marathoning it, like I habitually do for watching anime. If I were to marathon it, I'd lose my nuts. Reviewing it was just the way to bring proper closure to the extensive series; all its instalments were reviewed, so why not The Final Act too?

And I don't read manga at all. I don't appreciate them, and I'm afraid that reading them may disrupt my opinions on their anime counterparts.

Episode 55

I hate the opening. Edward's whining reminds me of Buggy, a character from One Piece I can do without.

But by golly, the Fuhrer's back! And it's about time. Brotherhood seems to know how to use each episode as the proper buildup for the next one. especially now. I have all the more reason to stay tuned for the next episode. Funnily, I can't shake off the feeling that it's too coincidental that Greed's back at the same time. Looks like a cheap tactic to get the ball rolling... nevertheless, the plot thickens.

Such a "manly" episode, in overall.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #153 on: May 09, 2010, 09:00:41 PM »
Episode 56

I actually really enjoyed watching Bradley chase down a tank.  It was a really cool moment that I don't recall being the manga.  If my memory is correct, this entire episode stretched a few pages of the manga into 21 minutes, but I honestly think that the strength of Wrath and Greed as characters and Bones' strong animation made the episode fun to watch.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #154 on: May 09, 2010, 11:31:17 PM »
Episode 56

The opening parts of the last two episodes have been rather interesting and making me really wish there was more earlier on.  I also don't believe in the best being saved for last since episode 40 was belted out already.  In anycase, turning off my brain for the rest of the episode actually helped me enjoy it more due to the action.  I am not sure if it would have worked otherwise.

This also reminds me of why I disliked that recap episode since that could have served far more purpose in showing glimpses of Hohenheim's journey while handling all of those souls.  A whole episode on things that would have more meaningful value would have done wonders really.  Or rather, more of them would have had that effect.  For some odd reason, I think the Wrath/Greed dynamic could have been something good and more interesting with time to develop it.  Then again, I thought the Scar/Ed/Al dynamic could have worked had that been expanded upon too.

Well, I am probably going to have to turn off my brain and just enjoy the action since it is not like this series is going to put in the effort to give more then it has.  Not that it has given a lot of effort in the first place.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #155 on: May 10, 2010, 06:48:35 AM »
56:

It's another fun episode with generous amount of action, but doesn't it bother anyone how Fuhrer's comeback is littered with suspensions of disbelief? The Fuhrer cutting a shell into half with an ordinary saber, walking on falling debris from a falling/burning train... those moments are very jarring to me. But I do admit that this episode is still fun to watch. Buccaneer is just so GARRR, like Rambo GARRR. And I want to see more focus on flask dude VS Hohenheim. Everything began because of them anyway, so they deserve their moment to shine.

Now, where has Pride gone too...?

Edit:

Something's been bothering me: Why can't Greed change into full-body Iron Man when fighting with Wrath? Isn't it something he can do?
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #156 on: May 16, 2010, 10:08:12 PM »
Episode 57

Despite all the crap going on in this episode, at least the countdown to the end is being signaled.  With all of the action that has been crammed for awhile now, it is sad that a majority of it won't really be memorable enough.  The only bouts I will probably take from this anime to mind is Mustang vs Lust and Greed vs Wrath R1.  Mustang vs Dilandau the Homunculus is another possible candidate, although I had already seen the same kind of grandstand with Lust.  Even that hilarious moment domination by Wrath from the last episode is going to be a mere afterthought for me alongside a good amount of the characters involved.

It is a shame that I still running through this mostly umimpressed or unmoved.  At the sametime, since I hear that the manga's ending will supposedly be more then 50 pages long (80+ supposedly), I do hope that there a proper conclusion of sorts is reached here.  That is pretty much the least this anime can do for the most part.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #157 on: May 17, 2010, 05:00:29 AM »
57:

Gotta love how Buccaneer pulled off a Shishio (or was it originally Kenshin?). It didn't rocked my socks off as the original but hey, you have to respect how cutthroat it is to use a man's body for a sneak attack. I need to see how the fight unfolds in the next episode, but King is still right up my alley.

I'm wondering about where that cross-eyed doctor has been all this time. His last-minute inclusion just seems to be a last-minute ditch at introducing a plot twist for Edward, Izumi and Alphonse.

And I'm still waiting for Pride.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #158 on: May 18, 2010, 07:36:28 PM »
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Ditto, waiting for Pride =)

I liked this episode though, almost cried at the part with Wrath and Fu =(

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #159 on: May 24, 2010, 09:18:30 PM »
Episode 58

I wish I could have been as emotionally invested in this episode like most people.  I would be lying if I ever said that I was.  This episode does make me wish that the anime had not taken such a disappointing direction while not leaving a lot to care about in the first place.  Otherwise, I would actually feel sorry for the old man and Buccaneer.  Props to Akira Senju after a long while for his efforts on the OST since the song selection here is quite good even if we heard them before in other episodes.  Still, the music is one of the better things about the anime even amidst all the of mediocrity putting it to waste.

The episode is not necessarily god awful, although it would have been nice if the preview did a better job of not making episode 59 painfully predictable.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #160 on: May 25, 2010, 05:09:52 AM »
58:

Nothing special to say for this episode, except that Greed going ballistic over the pro-Führer soldiers did pump my blood just a bit. I don't know if the preview ruined the suspense or unpredictability of the show; frankly, I don't really pay attention to previews (in fact, I don't think I should).

WHERE'S PRIDE? Don't tell me Greed's facing Pride and Wrath in a three-way slugfest...

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #161 on: May 28, 2010, 08:11:05 AM »
Most important in a Fullmetal Alchemist adaption is that it’s ambitious. That it tries to be different, not to be just another average Shonen Anime, even if it implodes amidst the struggle to achieve it. Better a spectacular failure than miserable, lukewarm mediocrity. Unfortunately, Brotherhood belongs to the latter category. Hiromu Arakawa’s amazing manga deserves better than tepid tap water dripped out of the Anime Industry’s rusty faucet.

@ AC: Don't worry, you'll be seeing Pride very, very soon.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #162 on: May 31, 2010, 09:12:24 PM »
Episode 59

A flat out predictable episode that cast aside sensibility for a few moments as a consequence.  (The preview was not even needed to see everything coming from miles away).  The Chinese version of Winry remembering rentanjutsushi's core principles and usage as opposed to others takes suspension of one's disbelief to a new level of absurdity.  Granted, Ling and his band are not that much more intelligent with some of the circumstances lingering from the last few episodes taken in to account.  Even then, believability does not exist when it is the wrong character performing the actions.

In anycase, there seems to be four episodes left and the battle between the original Homunculus and everyone else is lengthy from what I have heard.  I just hope that this battle does not suck up the last four episodes without leaving room for an appopriate conclusion.  Last thing that would be needed is for the finale to be a shameless advertising pitch for a movie or ova.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #163 on: June 01, 2010, 12:57:53 AM »
59:

So Pride has returned... but he'd better be back to do something more than just helping out Father. FSI is right about something: a lot of the episodic cliffhangers are, well, not that much of cliffhangers anymore. It's been like that for a number of recent episodes: each episode ended with any of the lead characters in dire straits, and one way or another, got out of the sticky situations.

Four episodes left, and it'd better do something about giving a proper conclusion.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #164 on: June 02, 2010, 02:01:58 PM »
Oh poor Mustang =(
Bad things keep happening to him since he met Envy.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #165 on: June 07, 2010, 08:29:48 PM »
Episode 60

For a Bones anime, the fight scenes were boring to watch.   It was just the same stock motion found in every single shounen action anime except with a higher animation budget.   

As for a proper conclusion, how does Shounen Action fightin' sound?  If Bones knows what's good for them, it shouldn't end with a single punch.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #166 on: June 08, 2010, 09:23:15 PM »
Episode 60

I loved Macross Frontier and it's ending because of how epic it was while involving the iron first of Grace and one of the best romantic conclusions of all time.  (I thank with all of my heart, Shoji Kawamori and the proverbial middle finger he gave to all of the idiots speculating to an extremity of who would dick-ride Alto-Hime in the end).  The "Father" gained a smidgen of respect due to the reminder.  Other then that, this episode didn't do much for me.

Plus, I found it wrong for Winry to survive longer then the others since the stupid, cancerous bitch does not even deserve the privilege to struggle.  (Same with all of her clones including the Chinese one that didn't die again).  Not that I don't enjoy god awful characters like that dying off, but it was a chore to watch that.  In anycase, it would be ideal if this would wrap up in two more episodes with the third being a truly conclusive ending.  Then again, I would love an apocalyptic ending since I miss those and have not seen one in years.  (Ironically enough, Gundam can no longer provide this and the seiyuu cast is from one of the more awful ones).



Episode 60

For a Bones anime, the fight scenes were boring to watch.   It was just the same stock motion found in every single shounen action anime except with a higher animation budget.    

As for a proper conclusion, how does Shounen Action fightin' sound?  If Bones knows what's good for them, it shouldn't end with a single punch.
Oh, **** that horse shit.  I want to at least see something of substance after the deus ex machina fest that will most likely ensue.

Edit:  I just saw that there is going to be an extra episode created.  That actually sounds like a good thing coming for once.  Sweetness.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #167 on: June 08, 2010, 11:52:42 PM »
60:

Did anyone find Scar's second arm revelation a little anti-climatic? Just when Bradley gets pawned by Scar, they both get swallowed by the Father's transformation. The subsequent episodes must do something about this or else, they blow their own chances of getting to somewhere.

I can't really say anything much anymore; in fact, I can't say much for most of the last few episodes. It's even more ironic, since we're in the climatic stage of the show.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #168 on: June 11, 2010, 06:33:41 AM »
Yo, is it just me, or does anyone else think all this shit about "truth" to be a load of (thinly veiled) pseudophilosophical garbage?

It seems totally arbitrary to me.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #169 on: June 11, 2010, 09:21:55 AM »
Yo, is it just me, or does anyone else think all this shit about "truth" to be a load of (thinly veiled) pseudophilosophical garbage?

It seems totally arbitrary to me.
It's very typical for an apocalyptic storyline to mention God.  I honestly think there is no psudo-philosophy behind it since everything here is pretty much straightforward. The problem is that it's not all that dramatic. 

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #170 on: June 13, 2010, 09:38:22 PM »
Episode 61

This reminds me of Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Gohan, only this is probably a lot shorter then that.  Then again, the Father reminded me more of Freiza due to his orange energy ball that can probably expand in size.  Hell, I think the guy even had a black energy ball that I am sure Freiza also had in his repertoire  Also, it is missing Kageyama Hironobu's vocals for a memorable insert song that cannot be done since no one did a proper powerup sequence.  Not to mention, it looks like there is some deus ex machina upcoming next few episodes too.

The one thing that completely ruined this episode was the mistake of that piece of shit Winry being revived.  BONES could have mitigated this mistake with an edit or two.  Now it is guaranteed that she will **** up the ending with her appearance akin to how she already single-handledly ruined countless episodes before.  I can only hope for the most painless ending possible now...

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #171 on: June 14, 2010, 12:06:20 AM »
61:

Once a badass, always a badass. I'm talking about Bradley, who I think is one of the redeeming factors of this show. I'm not sure if Kimblee's cameo return is a good thing; the moment screams deus ex machina.

@FSI

You seem to have a huge chunk of beef against Brotherhood, especially Winry for some time. I know that both her and that moe panda girl are annoying, but you sound like they insulted your mother or something :V
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #172 on: June 14, 2010, 10:44:07 AM »
Episode 61

Someone needs to compile all the Bradley fights since they are the hands down the best things of the entire series.

As for the rest, meh.  It's gone headlong into the shounen action route and I assure you that it won't get out.  I presume the added episode is for the epilogue, which actually might be quite good.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #173 on: June 17, 2010, 11:02:12 AM »
Decent episode for once. Some of the plot twists, however, seemed rather far-fetched to me.

@ AC:
While these characters might not have insulted his mother, they most definitely insulted his intelligence.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #174 on: June 25, 2010, 09:11:00 PM »
Episode 62

At least there is always Funimation to pick up the slack and provide a quality sub.  Then again, the site has been reliable enough for two of my favorite shows this season.  To make a long story short:  Big battle, Deus ex Machina for Super Saiyajin LV 4 powers; One part of the conclusion of this series is probably (about to be) resolved.  At least this battle should end next episode with the start of a proper conclusion being churned out.  Still, this episode had some really lame moments that I thought were pitiful, especially Greed and Ling's exchange.  That kind of garbage is one of the things that reminds me of why I dislike modern day shonen fare.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #175 on: June 25, 2010, 10:47:47 PM »
62:

I've been thinking about the actual problems of Brotherhood from start to finish. I know that there are some things about this show that I don't like, but I haven't been able to pinpoint what they are, especially the characterization. From the onset, I would just like to think that the characters in Brotherhood aren't as likable as the ones in FMA 2003. Then again, unlikable characters are merely personal preferences; they don't determine the actual caliber of the show (e.g. the characters in Infinite Ryvius and NGE are unlikable to me but I'd admit that that make their respective shows very unique). Characters like May Chang are unlikable but I can't really explain why, when I think about it. After giving second thoughts, she has done some significant stuff in Brotherhood, yet I can't bring myself to like her. I won't simply suffice by saying that execution is the key problem because it sounds like an easy answer but for now, it's maybe because I find her character and actions disjointed. I want to call her moe, but it doesn't feel right. I want to call her honorable, but it doesn't feel right either.

As for this episode, some good adrenaline action scenes and it's inching towards the climatic conclusion. Some clunky dialogue along the way, though.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #176 on: June 29, 2010, 05:42:14 PM »
Episode 63

The moral of the story:  The Truth don't play that way bitches!

There were quite a few things I didn't like about this episode.  (The ending of it was actually not bad).  Although, getting torturous flashbacks of episode 40 didn't help since that was the only truly excellent episode of the series.  Akira's Senjuu's music has been good for this series and this episode is no exception.  Hopefully, wherever the guy goes he will be using his talent for an anime that I might actually like someday.

The best thing about the next episode is that the series is finally going to be over.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #177 on: June 29, 2010, 10:07:06 PM »
Episode 63

That was actually good.

This is the only episode that the anime managed to surpass the manga.  Yes, this is probably a result of the fact that the manga was pressed for time and the ending was rushed out without proper build up as a result; however, I'm giving props where it's due.

Such a shame the other 60 or so episodes weren't like this one.

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #178 on: June 29, 2010, 10:53:22 PM »
63:

Shadowmage's right. It is a decent episode.

I can't really say much about this episode, just like how I can't really comment much about many previous episodes. That's the thing about Brotherhood; I know this isn't a bad show, but it doesn't invoke a lot from me to make comments about it (apart from the adrenaline fights and badass characters). I find this series personally weird because of this.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #179 on: July 02, 2010, 10:41:14 AM »
Episode 62:
I kind of liked this episode. The banter between Greed and Ling was pathetic, however(as momst of their relationship has been), but the second half of the episode even managed to elicit a slight emotional response from me. The rarely used Main Theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofs8jUHQ60k has been put to good use this time and the strong animation never fails to impress.

Episode 63:
Satisfactory Ending. Looking forward to the prologue.
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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #180 on: July 05, 2010, 09:51:31 PM »
Final Episode

At least there was no Shigurui-type ending pulled in this one.  Or rather the kind of unfulfilling conclusions that most animes seem to pull these days.  In anycase, at least this is over and it is as proper as can be.  The absolute worst parts involves Winry and the flashback with her clone since every second of screen time they had was painful.  I am surprised a smart dude like Ed couldn't figure out that such dumb sack of shit has no chance in hell of ever knowing or remembering the concept of "Equivalent Exchange."

The best thing was how the old man became the Fuhrer President since that is a guy who can avoid assassination attempts with his cross dressing skill.  (Or lack thereof).

In anycase, this was a rather disappointing reboot and if nothing else it killed time.  Then again, I should have learned my lesson on being excited over manga adaptations due to my experience with Claymore.  Well, a better version of the first FMA anime was certainly promising and I definitely don't feel the promise was kept in the end.  Overall, this was a mediocre anime to me and doesn't deserve any better then a 5/10.  Oh yes, there is also supposed to be a movie in the works and I am definitely not up for a recap version if that is the case.  (But hey, one with tons of Nazis part II sound aye ok to me.  XD)

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Re: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
« Reply #181 on: July 06, 2010, 10:03:28 PM »
64:

And so ends the retake and more accurate manga intepretation of Fullmetal Alchemist. This episode isn't amazing; like a standard final episode, it ties up all loose ends and this one is no exception. It's nothing amazing per se, but it's nothing worth discussing either.

Overall impression:

This show is kinda confusing for me, not because of the plot or characters. Rather, I feel confused as to how I should feel for this show. Am I supposed to be amazed by this new take of the already successful 2003 show? In fact, the bigger questions are, why am I asking this question? Why do I feel confused for such a show? Usually, if I see a good show, I'll acknowledge it straight but this one's different. Perhaps I should narrow down my confusion into a series of smaller questions to address what I think of Brotherhood:

- I remember how this show started off on the wrong foot; that is, it starts right off the bat with the assumption that it's mostly catered for those who have watched the 2003 series. It's a blatant attempt by the writers to just rush into things without doing the proper dues to familiarizing the FMA universe to those who haven't watched the old series.

- A number of scenes that I believe defined the 2003 series, are rehashed and they aren't as good. Case in point: The scene where Nina Tucker is revealed to have been used in a chimera experiment. The 2003 version struck me hard because of the little things: the yellowish lighting, the subtlety of Edward's outrage and the execution style of the revelation itself. The Brotherhood version came off as forced and in fact, I feel that a lot of the great scenes from the old series were great because of one common observation: they don't feel forced. The result of these forced scenes is that it renders them unmemorable. For one, I kinda hate Brotherhood's Equivalent Exchange prologue compared to 2003's prologue, mainly because the latter is more subtle with its delivery.

- Maes Hughes' demise is another sore spot in Brotherhood. This case is related to my previous post: the execution is flawed and ineffective, and I prefer the old series' version because in that version, I actually feel sympathetic that he fell victim to the whole Homunculus conspiracy. In fact, with this in mind, I kinda feel that the bad execution for many of the important scenes and the clunky dialogue make me perceive the characters as somewhat angtsy (although I don't really know if this is the right word. I just can't think of any other). In Brotherhood's version, I didn't even flinch. Even Gracia and Elicia's grief didn't struck a sympathetic chord inside me once.

- The characters of Brotherhood are one mixed bag, so I'll extensively discuss what I like and dislike about Brotherhood's take on this aspect. I want to think that Brotherhood's Edward has a more complexed character but most of the time, I kinda roll my eyes whenever he's around. My petty peeves about him includes his penchant for yelling and being easily agitated, thus making him very unlikable to me. Mustang remains to be the "cool" character, and I'm also pleased that Liza has a more active role alongside Mustang in Brotherhood. The Homunculi however, is another matter: I really hate how Lust and Sloth are treated as cannon fodders, and how the strong hatred between Kimblee and Scar is (deliberately) copped out. but I'm happy with the new take on Greed (Greed and Izumi's dialogue can be repetitive to me, though), Wrath (the best one to watch) and Pride. Plus, kudos to the active roles of van Hohenheim and his fellow Dwarf in the Flask. People have been raving about how badass Olivier Armstrong is but I didn't get the vibe so I find her presence underwhelming (blame it on the writer for putting her on the political table for too long). The Xing characters - though played quite important roles in the story - feel like they are mostly plot puppets, particularly when an arc doesn't discuss the Philosopher's stone. In particular, I have an issue with May Chang: I find her role in Brotherhood important but I hate her personality to the point that she make me roll my eyes every time. Perhaps it's the disjointed aspect between her honorable actions and moe-like personality that rubs me the wrong way entirely. I think Brotherhood's Scar is better to watch because he's more understandably hateful, while the old version portrays him as a sympathetic lost soul.

- The fight scenes are certainly amazing, better than the ones in 2003. In particular, the Greed-Wrath fights exhibit BONES' prowess in making adrenaline-rushed fighting sequences and it's the same for the rest of them (especially the ones toward the end). However, the significant aspect about the fights are the fact that the Homunculi's god-mode inability kinda drives down the suspense of the fights a little (not to be confused with the tension of the fights).

- The pacing and humor are two aspects that brought Brotherhood down as well. The pacing can be erratic a number of times: anytime the episode involves rife politics and dialogue drives down my momentum to continue watching. I hate the humor, not only because many were dry to my liking but the bad timing that is accompanied with it. The gags were mistimed to the point that it unnecessarily breaks any built-up tension, and whether the gag is about Edward's height, May Chang's admiration for Alphonse or the tension between Winry and Edward, I just don't find them funny. Plus, it has the same problem of feeling forced too.

I just don't feel for Brotherhood, even though I know the show is trying hard to establish its own identity and set itself apart from the old series. To say that Brotherhood's execution is flawed and contributing that to solely explain why this show isn't that good, seems irresponsible on my side so I narrowed my concerns down to the points above. I know that I've made many comparisons between Broterhood and the 2003 version, but I also bear in mind the show exclusively on its own merit. This show gets a 6/10 for me for now; it's kinda disappointing that this is what I feel for the show.

Sorry for being tl;dr.
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