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Title: Inuyashiki
Post by: Zeitgeist on October 12, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
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MAPPA is certainly keeping busy

2D Ajiin meets Parasyte with some Gantz level of violence towards the homeless.   

Now I feel like a real asshole for never responding to my parents.
Some classic Japanese "body horror" shots.
The random old guy gimmick is amazing. I want some Grandpa-driven action sequences.

No idea what is to come but am interested.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 12, 2017, 11:11:27 PM
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Wow, that was weird.  A good weird, but still weird.  I know this is done by the same lunatic who made Gantz, so there should be an awful lot more weird coming if it holds anywhere true to that work's legacy.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: Gadget on October 13, 2017, 11:13:28 AM
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You men stupid aliens that got only weapons, and they configure into an old man. Well, it's more interesting than you got Star Trek's Data's body. Some how, I'll prefer Birdy from Tetsuwan Birdy Decode if I want a body swap. And alien tech can heck into YouTube.
The intro was good. I wonder why did they get a drama actor instead of a VA. MAL got only 2 anime to his credits. Full Metal will be a live movie.
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  I know this is done by the same lunatic who made Gantz, so there should be an awful lot more weird coming if it holds anywhere true to that work's legacy.

And he did this dark shit call Karas. As well as some lighter stuff like Tiger and Bunny. So I expect good stuff.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 13, 2017, 12:40:01 PM
The alien shit made me laugh.  I don't know if it was supposed to be comedic, but it came off as some funny as hell dark comedy.

/Alien ship warps in, crushes an old human

Alien 1:  "****!  I think we hit something!"
Alien 2:  "Nah man, just some turbulence on landing."
Alien 1:  "What?  Bullshit!  There's a ****ing red smear on the bumper!"
Alien 2:  "Bugs around here are pretty big."
Alien 1:  "That wasn't a bug you ****ing twit!  We're supposed to be doing this shit incognito and you just flew right into some old human's grill!"
Alien 2:  "Maybe I shouldn't have had that second beer."
Alien 1:  "God damnit!  I just got my insurance premiums down, and you go and pull this crap.  Now what are we going to do?  I have a dented fender AND we've blown our cover."
Alien 2:  "You worry too much, man.  We'll just rebuild the dead human guy in one of our cyber bodies."
Alien 1:  "What, you mean make the old guy a cyborg?  You think that will work?"
Alien 2:  "Sure man, we do that shit all the time."
Alien 1:  "Well, okay.  What kind of cyborg bodies do we got laying around."
Alien 2:  "I got that one spare over in the closet."
Alien 1 checks the closet.
Alien 1:  "Hey, wait a minute, this is a military grade security cyborg.  What the hell do you have this for?"
Alien 2:  "Solicitors."
Alien 1:  "Wont this make this old guy like, really dangerous to the other humans?"
Alien 2:  "Nah, it's okay.  He'll never know."
Alien 1:  "I don't know, letting a walking weapon of mass destruction run around on the planet seems like not a way to fix our blown cover."
Alien 2:  "Seriously man, do you ever have any fun?"
Alien 1 grumbles.
Alien 2:  "Okay, let me get out the squeegee and we'll get to work.  I'm going to need another beer for this."
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: AC on October 14, 2017, 12:10:08 AM
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Wow.

I'm not sure which one impressed me more. Evidently, this show is going blitzkrieg over the production values, sometimes a little too much. I get it why some scenes are CGI-animated, but why do so even for the mundane ones like Ichirou getting up or something?

Another is just how the whole story is set up. Notice how perfect this show did a job at capturing the quintessential Japanese passive-depressive lifestyle for the first eight minutes? And then some weird shit happens and Old Man Jenkins becomes War Machine. Despite the whole high jinks, one line captured what the show is all about: "I'm human". The first half shows just 'inhuman' life can be, aka the apathetic society, and here this old guy finally regains his sense of humanity despite ironically being anything but human.

I'm just perplexed by the derpy aliens. Seems like a too-serious Rick and Morty scene right there: why were they even obliged to even replace two humans with their weaponry? But why tho.

I'm sensing that this will be the sleeper hit of the season, the unlikely hero just like Ichirou... so quirky but charming at the same time.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 14, 2017, 11:46:02 AM
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I'm just perplexed by the derpy aliens. Seems like a too-serious Rick and Morty scene right there: why were they even obliged to even replace two humans with their weaponry? But why tho.

Great, now I have to change my dialogue.

Rick:  "Wh.. what the hell happened?"
Morty:  "Uh, nothing!  I think I might have bumped into something on landing."
Rick:  "If by bumped into 'something' you mean this obliterated carcass of circa 1988 Phil Donahue you splattered all over this park, then yes, you 'bumped' into 'something', Morty."
Morty:  "Ah jeez, Rick!  I didn't even see him!  Y'know!  He just... he just jumped right out in front of me."
Rick:  "I'm pretty sure a geriatric Japanese guy with more stomach cancer than stomach couldn't just jump out in front of you.  I taught you to drive this thing so you could get us home while I'm passed out drunk, or high, or both, or if I just want to fake being asleep so I don't have to talk to you.  Especially the last one.  You're not supposed to use it like a Nan King survivor out for revenge."
Morty:  "Wha-what're we gonna do, Rick?  We just can't leave him like this.  I killed a poor old Japanese guy!  I wont ever be able to play DDR again!"
Rick:  "Calm down Morty!  Everything is gonna be fine!  All I have to do is take the little bits of this guy's whatever here and put into a cybernetic body, Morty!  He'll be completely reborn as a cyborg with no memory of any of this!  He'll go on with his life perfectly fine and ignorant for the rest of his natural life, Morty!"
Morty:  "But, wont he notice when he doesn't have to eat, or pee, or anything?"
Rick:  "Nah, Japanese people are passive wussies.  He'll just think it's the stomach cancer.  Now let's see what I have in the trunk here.... ahhh ha ha ha!  There we go!  I forgot all about this little baby."
Morty:  "Does that thing have guns?"
Rick:  "Yeah!  It's my super deluxe combat cyborg chassis I had built to replace Jerry with if he ever betrayed me to the Galactic Federation and Beth couldn't handle the separation.  Oh right, that happened and I forgot to do that."
Rick does some Rick things.
Rick:  "There!  It's done!  Now let's get the hell out of here, Morty.  Oh and you drive, I, uh, I wanna take a nap over here."
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: Pebble on October 14, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
^

Not enough drunken burping. 5/10.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 14, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
I figured it was implied.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: Gadget on October 20, 2017, 02:29:30 AM
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Hiro Shishigami is a classical psychopath.
Something from WebMD

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A key difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is whether he has a conscience, the little voice inside that lets us know when we’re doing something wrong, says L. Michael Tompkins, EdD. He's a psychologist at the Sacramento County Mental Health Treatment Center.

A psychopath doesn’t have a conscience. If he lies to you so he can steal your money, he won’t feel any moral qualms, though he may pretend to. He may observe others and then act the way they do so he’s not “found out,” Tompkins says.

And what makes 'bad' that he feels nothing when he kills. And it seems that he already had this trait in junior school.

 I hope gramps  Inuyashiki got a newer model. I guess he had not been experimenting with his new body. I was wondering why he could not Hulk leap over to the crime seance.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: AC on October 20, 2017, 06:44:07 AM
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This show just broke the fourth wall.

This is beautiful: What better way to complement a hero who gained empathy than with someone who has none of it. It's amazingly ironic: Gramps became a robot but gains humanity, whereas Youngster became a robot and went T-1000. Sure, he has always lacked empathy but getting robo-upgrade let him loose. I was wondering why the way he talks is very unnatural.

It all makes sense: the aliens were Skynet all along.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 21, 2017, 02:39:40 PM
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Yeah, this crossed a line with me.  I'm usually fairly ambivalent to gratuitous violence, gore, and senseless cruelty in fiction, especially as a cheap way to shock value, but I am okay with it if it helps to tell a story of a character.  However, I do not like killing kids.  Now while they kind of pussied out by not having him directly kill the kid, somehow the way they did it was even worse.  That wasn't Hiro killing the kid, so I don't reflect that on the character.  That's on the writer / director of this shit.  I don't know who can create that kind of environment without any kind of doubt, but that's the kind of person I would stare at long and hard before willingly sharing a taxi cab with them.

Enough of that, the point was to show that Hiro has become a monster.  Whether he was a psychopath before the robot body or not, Hiro has become one now.  He killed those people just to see if he could still feel something.  Shame?  Joy?  Regret?  Disgust?  We don't know what he was after.  Psychopaths don't kill because they're searching for some hidden feeling inside of themselves, they just kill because they have no understanding, and thus no concern, of human emotions.  There is also a hot debate as to whether they actually feel any happiness or joy, or whether that is just endorphins released as a result of the mental satisfaction of seeing results.  Like a scientist who discovers a new thing, or a child who sees a worm for the first time, it isn't necessarily about their own joy at killing so much as pleasure at seeing something different or new.

So I don't know exactly what qualifies Hiro as a full psychopath here.  Much like Grandpa, he appears to be struggling with what has become of him.  Grandpa spent the better part of the first episode in horror as to what he had become, trying to understand it.  He still had his own morals, ethics, and personal beliefs contained in whatever was left of him inside the robot, so of course everything was unnerving.  However, he was changed by his experiences.  He stood up for something he believed in, and while he did it subconsciously, he inevitably saved that homeless man from the wrath of a bunch of really sick little bastards.  Like Walter Mitty, Grandpa had only dreamed or fantasized about doing things greater than his own existence.  Never once did he stand up for himself or what he believes in.  He has been a coward; a pathetic individual without any sense of confidence who lets everybody walk all over him.  Sure, his family sucks, but he lets his family suck.  Blaming the victim?  **** off.  There's a reason why those who are taken advantage of are taken advantage of, and will continue to be taken advantage of, until they find the strength to stand up for themselves and others.  The machine modification, this newfound power, has given Grandpa the confidence to change himself.

Hiro is not any different.  While the flashback to their younger days was supposed to be an evidence that Hiro has always had this inside him, I don't know if that is the case.  I think the line was supposed to be a clue that Hiro is actually testing whether or not his ability to care about those who he doesn't know die is true or not.  Like I said, he was searching for an emotion.  The body change, which you have to admit is going to seriously **** some people up considering the aliens put them in COMBAT MODEL CYBORG BODIES, is going to give anybody a power trip.  Hiro would undoubtedly never kill someone before this happened to him.  Maybe he was a coward, too.  Maybe he wanted to try but never could.  Now he has the power to do so and tested it out.  Is this the first time he's done this?  I don't think the "slasher" comment was supposed to be him, since his MO appears to be... *cough*.... "fingerbanging" people instead.  So maybe this was his first time.  Maybe he, after discovering that he is now just a walking tool of death and destruction, decided that this was going to be his fate.  He was now a weapon, and what other purpose does a weapon serve than to kill people?  His rationalization and change is utterly different from Grandpa's, because that's how you get a "good guy" and a "bad guy" in these kinds of stories, but they're the only two people in this world who have had their bodies destroyed and replaced by combat cyborg frames.  How are we supposed to judge how they react to such things?

It doesn't matter.  They're going to judge each other it seems.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 27, 2017, 12:03:18 AM
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So here's the fun prediction going forward:  which of these two super powered robot people is going to have the rougher life?  Before you answer, think about it a second.

Grandpa is using his powers to help people, and while he's getting a lot of satisfaction out of it, he's also got way too many witnesses who have seen him do rather impressive things.  Awkwardly battle a bunch of what look like gym rats who easily could have killed an old guy like him and win?  Walked into a burning building twice to rescue two people and came out unscathed?  Healing the sick and the wounded?  He's not going to be able to keep his shit secret for very long if he keeps up the lack of a secret identity thing, and with those who have great power, will come those who need that great power.  There are hundreds of millions of sick people around the world.  Can he heal them all?  If you could heal one person every minute, you could only heal 42,048,000 people in an 80 year average lifespan.  While he might be immortal in this state, the people who are sick aren't.  Who waits for your laying on hands?  Who dies in the meantime?  You wouldn't even put a dent in the sick population, and while you're doing that, who is saving those who are being robbed, mugged, raped, or murdered?  Who is stopping Hiro from slaughtering innocents easily as fast as you can heal them?

Hiro has no ambitions, no morals, and no responsibilities.  He might be lonely now that he's lost his best friend, but aside from the normalcy that psychopaths recognize as being necessary, he doesn't have to do anything.  He wont have to worry about people flocking to him for healing, or demanding that they save him, or anything of the sort.  He can just go through life doing what he wants.  Miserable perhaps, but not overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: AC on October 30, 2017, 05:47:11 AM
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Pops is my new fave superhero now, ahead of any from Marvel or DC. I died when he sang Astro Boy; no other superhero is cooler than that.

I think it's wrong to claim that Shishigami is completely devoid of empathy. Technically, he does have some for his friend Ando, and indeed he does care about his welfare. One thing's for sure is that he has no sense of morals at all. If Old Man is gonna defeat him, then Ando is the key.

I must admit, I find it strange why Inuyashiki and Shishigami are still doing exhibiting ordinary human behavior despite their newfound powers. Shishigami takes the bus to school despite being able to fly. Inuyashiki sweats and breathes hard even when he doesn't have to. It's highly plausible that Shishigami is deliberately trying to blend and not stand out, while Inuyashiki is still not used to his new body.

Clearly, Shishigami has the upper hand when face-to-face with Old Man... but that's where Ando comes in and becomes his Kryptonite.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 02, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
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I could probably watch 50 episodes of just Jiji wrecking bad guys' shit.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: Gadget on November 04, 2017, 06:37:23 AM
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Old Man starts to remain me of the Old Man in Metallica's Enter Sandman music video. Scary when pissed off. I think he should watch the Matrix to learn some cool moves. Come on, with all his powers, his trump move is 'The Windmill Punch'?
His body has a auto defense program that will take over when he has lost conscious. It's way cooler than Shishigami's finger gun 'bang'. It's strange that the auto defense program will hurt, but not kill. Somehow I think the auto defense program has been influence by Jiji's conscious. 
Medical program has no auto defibrillator? Has to relay on the time tested cardiac message? Can mend bones, cure cancer, but cannot start a heart? Yep, the aliens are dumb.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: AC on November 06, 2017, 06:50:40 AM
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Seriously now, Gramps really need to consider make his own suit or something. He can't be flying around fighting bad guys topless and shit; that's just wrong.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: AC on November 10, 2017, 07:21:13 AM
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So I'm right. Shishigami does have a sense of empathy, but with questionable morals. He's not a completely psychopath; he has protective instincts but no understanding of consequences. He actually thinks he can get 3 million yen in cold hard cash without raising any alarms (and claim to be good at moving money)? Kid doesn't even understand basic economics.

And Gramps... oh Gramps. Old man needs to read them shounen comics to know to shoot lasers or something.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: Gadget on November 10, 2017, 08:00:05 PM
If Gramps need Astro (or Atom) Boy's song to fly, maybe he need to name his beam arm thingy. You know like how people shouts the name of the Ultimate Weapon before dispatching the enemy. And the name of the weapon/combo moves will pop up Kill La Kill style.

And he need Spandex pants. Guess Andou is going to be Gramps sidekick, aka Robin. He sure is a cry baby.

I don't get it when Shishigami  bleeds from a paper cut. They can withstand a .50 BMG round, but can get a paper cut? And is it blood or simulated blood. When Gramps eat, his body expel it. So it the body adapting? Shishigami is not bothering to conceal what happens or who he is. His strength, his confession to Andou that's he's a robot, and now using his hands as a mobile device.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 11, 2017, 02:23:56 AM
Gramps reminds me of the super powered main character from The Greatest American Hero.  In fact, they're very similar plot lines involving alien tech.  In TGAH, a teacher is given a cliche' spandex superhero suit that grants him all kinds of Superman like powers, but he loses the instruction manual, so he doesn't know how to use any of them.  Comedy ensues when he has to go through a lot of trial and error to figure things out, and even by the end of the series run, still hadn't mastered flying.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: AC on November 11, 2017, 07:10:25 PM
I don't get it when Shishigami  bleeds from a paper cut. They can withstand a .50 BMG round, but can get a paper cut? And is it blood or simulated blood. When Gramps eat, his body expel it. So it the body adapting? Shishigami is not bothering to conceal what happens or who he is. His strength, his confession to Andou that's he's a robot, and now using his hands as a mobile device.

It's the whole running theme of being human, which is kinda fascinating to me. It's like what I mentioned before: Gramps still 'feels' tired although he isn't, Shishigami taking the bus to school, etc. There's no real reason for them to even do or experience any of them. It's just a subconscious habit or a human reflex, but Shishigami does make conscious effort to do non-human things (like using his hand as a phone, or something).

His finger bleeding? Maybe he unconsciously wanted to bleed in order to feel human, instead of going around and killing people for it. He can take on a .50 BMG round but not take damage of it obviously because he doesn't want a gaping hole in his body.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 11, 2017, 10:23:56 PM
The finger bleeding sequence is, I think, a bit of bad directing.  I think Hiro was dreaming that, which is why the very next scene is a quick cut to him waking up.
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: Gadget on November 12, 2017, 01:40:37 AM
The finger bleeding sequence is, I think, a bit of bad directing.  I think Hiro was dreaming that, which is why the very next scene is a quick cut to him waking up.

I re watch that part. I think you are right. It just that the next seance was he and his mom was watching the news.

Beside asking the question am I still human, the other thing that keeps popping up is 'I am no hero;. Gramps feels that using his new power to save people is a 'human responsibility'. And he never feels heroic. Make me wonder how does a salary man get that repressed emotions. In the train ride from episode 1, there was a hint that he do have repressed feelings of in justice. And he fantasize standing up to the train ruffians.

Or watching Astro Boy in his childhood days gave he a sense of justice. Wonder what happens if he watch too much Gatachman.  He may shouts "Bird Go" before activating his rocket back pack. 
Title: Re: Inuyashiki
Post by: Gadget on November 17, 2017, 07:45:38 PM
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Hiro's last anchor to reality is gone. He's totally unhinge now. So he cries for his mom, or he cries for himself. He wanted to feel human, and he did. The result is hate and revenge. Cool way of 'bang bang' from the screen. Ultimate doxing.  And otaku and 4chan users bashing.Sometimes I think a person true personality comes out when you are anonymous. People will react differently if your real identity can be known.

Gramps is too cute to be true. Come on. Don't know USB port, Lightning jack, Micro SD card. Good thing he did not interface as serial or parallel port.

The voice acting still feels weird. The VA for the 2 MCs are actors, not professional VAs. Their lack of experience is coming out. But veteran actor for Inuyashiki, Kohinata Fumiyo is no stranger the live production base on anime or manga.  He manages to get some innocence from Gramps.