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Title: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 07, 2017, 02:54:46 PM
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Oh my God this is just dripping with atmosphere.  Since the plot seems to be made for an episodic nature, where Kino travels around like Kane in the Kung-Fu series, the important part of the entertainment value for this show will be in making sure the various places she visits are explorations of the abnormal.  You can't have her visit Harajuku (though that might be ****ing hilarious considering her general pragmatic approach to everything) because that is known and familiar and boring, so you have to invent places that are bizarre or fascinating, with different customs, beliefs, laws, societies, foods, people, or maybe even weird physical phenomenon.  This allows the author to create different concepts for what a country could be, for what humanity could be, and therefore the whole thing just oozes philosophical exploration.

The first episode hits us right away.  We here in the US might be able to understand this country a little better than some others, because of our attachment to self defense, firearms, and whatnot, and our laws that protect and some would argue, encourage those attachments.  In a country where it is not illegal to kill, it stands to reason that a traveler would be wary of such a place.  Kino is told that it is a "polite" country, but she is skeptical.  It shouldn't be surprising that the first person she meets on her way to this place is a rather obvious characterization of "frontier law" or maybe "outlaw justice".  He's dressed in a manner resembling an American Old West cowboy or the popularized image of one, and looks very American in a cynical sense of how Americans are depicted in anime.  He is purposely heading to this country to live out what he sees as freedom; the ability to be oneself and murder whenever you wish.  After Kino pragmatically refuses to aid the traveler, the climax of the story is set up.  This isn't unforeseeable, but what eventually happens is not.

I don't want to spoil it, because it is hideous, glorious, contradictory, and sensible.  I'm not sure if this is supposed to explore the highest ideal of the "armed society = police society" concept, or if it is something entirely unique just to these people.  Throughout the episode, we have a lingering sense of dread that there is a sickness here, but we didn't have a clue what that would result in.  Perhaps a better theme exploration is that correlation is not causation.  At the end, Kino encounters another traveler (dressed more like a desperado than the first guy, another obvious nod to the American Old West), whom she thinks will do just fine there.

Anyway, Kino herself is obviously intended to be nothing more than a portal for the audience into these worlds.  She isn't nihilistic or cynical, and has her own thoughts and feelings, and past, and reasons for what she does, but she isn't a judge.  Her duty is to simply observe and get involved only as needed.  The audience is the judge as to whether or not what we see is a good thing or a bad thing.  I think I can enjoy this anime immensely if it stays on this path.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: Zeitgeist on October 07, 2017, 04:06:27 PM

Anyway, Kino herself is obviously intended to be nothing more than a portal for the audience into these worlds.  She isn't nihilistic or cynical, and has her own thoughts and feelings, and past, and reasons for what she does, but she isn't a judge.  Her duty is to simply observe and get involved only as needed.  The audience is the judge as to whether or not what we see is a good thing or a bad thing.  I think I can enjoy this anime immensely if it stays on this path.

I have yet to watch the episode, mainly cause one of the reasons I love the original Kino(#3 on my 3x3) is the original art design, but very much yes. Kino(the character) represents a constant. The world she interacts with changes around her but she herself is static. Kino is the very definition of a "been there, done that" character. We, as viewers, are given but a glimpse into her journey. A journey which began years ago and she has already gone through the standard "this place is vastly different to my established worldview and how do I reconcile such". Kino, both herself and the narrate as a whole, offers just enough to prompt thoughts/conversation, while never really dictating a position.

I say because you mentioned having never seen the original series...you should.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 07, 2017, 04:46:03 PM
From what I understand, I wont need to.  This isn't a sequel, but a reboot, so they're going to do many of the stories already covered again.  The next episode is title Colosseum, which many commenters on C-Roll have mentioned was already done in the original series.

So aside from contrasting art styles or the differences in the voice acting, I don't know what I would gain by watching the original at this point.  I suppose I could in that "the original was better" kind of way, but I don't see a need to do that right this second.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: Zeitgeist on October 07, 2017, 05:00:13 PM
My saying you should watch the original was in no way motivated so you could have a better understanding of this current series. I say you should watch the original cause it is genuinely fantastic and clearly both of us waste our time keeping up with currently airing shows. So, whether you watch current shows with the mindset that "this could be great" or "this could be shit, and that can be amazing", why not just spend an hour gwtting invested in an accepted classic? Episode one of OG Kino is meh but episode 2 is one the best. Get off your ass. I can wait for your responses regarding Two Car, Blend S and w/e shit show this season I posted about.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: gedata on October 08, 2017, 12:01:25 PM
I know it wasn't supposed to be taken this way, but this episode made a better argument for lax gun laws than the NRA could ever hope to do.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: HuuskerDu on October 08, 2017, 05:28:13 PM
The quote is from Heinlein.  The scene is lifted almost directly from one of his most famous SF novels, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (1966), where every Lunie simultaneously pointed a weapon at the idiot tourist. Like in the novel the weapons were mostly crossbows (guns are dangerous in a pressurized environment), and the women and the old were actually more dangerous in 'solving' the situation than the able bodied men.  I'm rather surprised Heinlein didn't get any attribution.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 08, 2017, 05:37:44 PM
I know it wasn't supposed to be taken this way, but this episode made a better argument for lax gun laws than the NRA could ever hope to do.

Possibly, but I don't think this has anything to do with weaponized societies.  It seems more like a contradiction to me:  the murderers murder in order to stop murder.  We're led to believe that this is the only time anybody is allowed to kill someone else without punishment, so if someone steals something or jaywalks, they're not going to die.  It might be a better argument for capital punishment against severe crimes.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: HuuskerDu on October 08, 2017, 05:45:55 PM
In Heinlein's version there was an impromptu trial organized on the spot, with witnesses and a nominated judge.  The idiot tourist was let off with a warning. Needless to say he never did it again (and in fact he later became a major citizen in helping the Lunies' side during the revolution).
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 09, 2017, 01:07:22 AM
Well, these guys apparently know scum when they see one.  That face tattoo alone was a capital offense.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: hayama on October 11, 2017, 06:55:17 PM
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I had to wait a second before starting this because I was terrified it wouldn't live up to my expectations. I've been waiting a good 14 years for a new Kino's Journey so I had high hopes, and while maybe this first episode didn't reach all of them I'm so pleased with this new adaptation. Aside from obvious differences in art (which really look more faithful to the illustrations of the light novel than the first anime), one thing that was a minor disappointment was the music. It's a nice soundtrack, I really enjoyed the piano piece in particular, but everything felt a little too uptempo(?) compared to the first? Starting at about 1:40:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=703_Lm6KWzE

This piece was the musical foundation of the original in my opinion, and it evoked this sense of calm that carried the series even in its most climatic moments, never really making one feel tense in spite of all of the calamity. I've been rewatching a handful of episodes since I watched this one, and I haven't watched all of them again so I can't say entirely, but I feel like the original generally chose silence for their climatic or epic scenes. I'll have to rewatch more to say for sure.

Anyway that music issue sums up the only real issue I have with this new season so far, namely that it's not understated enough, but that's pretty petty and I'm sure if the rest of the episodes are as strong as this one I'll adjust to the change of direction. My one concern right now is that the next episode is a redo of one from the original series. I'm hoping that they're doing this just because the story introduces one of the few stable characters in the light novel besides Kino and Hermes, but I'll be disappointed if they do a number of episodes that were already adapted in the original because I want more storylines adapted from the original light novel in this one cour (?) anime. I will be ecstatic if this ends up being another multi-season slice of life though. I don't know how long the light novels went on for but I think there's enough source material to do at least one or two seasons after this.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: gedata on October 12, 2017, 04:34:39 AM
My one concern right now is that the next episode is a redo of one from the original series. I'm hoping that they're doing this just because the story introduces one of the few stable characters in the light novel besides Kino and Hermes, but I'll be disappointed if they do a number of episodes that were already adapted in the original because I want more storylines adapted from the original light novel in this one cour (?) anime. I will be ecstatic if this ends up being another multi-season slice of life though. I don't know how long the light novels went on for but I think there's enough source material to do at least one or two seasons after this.

Here (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2017/10/09/what-stories-will-appear-in-kinos-journeyl)'s a list of episode titles. From these alone we can tell that one other story already adapted in the 2003 anime will be here, and that's the Country of Adults. Perfectly reasonable since it'll give the audience a look at how Kino ended up the kind of person she is now. The Coliseum story being redone isn't something I'm particularly interested in since it really has no reason to be here.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: hayama on October 12, 2017, 08:57:48 AM
Yeah I would definitely expect that episode to be there because it's one of the most important in defining Kino's character. I think they're doing the Coliseum one because the guy with the dog is a recurring character in the novels and they may want to utilize it more in the show. I'm happy to hear those are the only two being redone! I really hope that some of the episodes will be a medley of stories like in the first season (episodes 3, 5, and 11).
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 13, 2017, 05:30:10 PM
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I have heard grumblings already by people who have seen the 2003 series; they don't like this episode because it took a two part episode and condensed it to one, leaving out a lot of the backstories of the other competitors.  I'm not sure this is really a big thing to harp about.  It is clear that there are only two characters who are important here for both the immediate and long term plans, and that's Shizu and Kino.  The rest may have been interesting, and maybe some more lengthy action fights would have been nice, but is it really that important?  I enjoyed this episode exactly as it was, because there were two main themes:  revenge and being the instrument of that revenge.  The former, as Kino points out, is ludicrous, but the latter is far more interesting, because it reflects on Kino herself.

She was used.  By the time she got in and started hearing of the colosseum she knew she'd been used.  The rules of the country also preyed upon people like her, and the person who sent her there.  She knew then that she was the instrument of someone's revenge.  She was sent there not just to kill the King who started this, but to destroy the whole country that supported it.  And she did.  Without hesitation, without reservation, without condemning nor condoning.  She could have yielded at any time and been on her way.  If they didn't accept her yield, she could have just done what she did and kept going until someone accepted.  She wasn't really in any danger and she knew that.  But Kino kept going, forcing others to submit instead of killing them, because they weren't her target.  She had one person to kill, and used and abused the system itself ironically to do it.  But she wasn't done there.  She purposely turned the whole kingdom against itself, and by doing so triggered a mass murdering spree / purge that she is directly responsible for.  By the end of this, Kino has more blood on her hands than many villains.

And by the lake side, she vented her anger by throwing stones.  Was she angry at the lady who wanted revenge?  Was she angry at the country for making her go through this?  Was she angry for being used as an instrument of someone else's revenge?  Or was she angry at herself for going along with all of it?  Does Kino believe she has the power, or the right, to refuse doing another person's dirty work?  It is a fascinating glimpse into her soul.  I said in the last episode that she isn't a judge, just a portal for the audience.  This episode was a little more than that.  Kino exposed her flaws to us.  It made her more interesting as a character.

Also a dog talks.

As a little subtle note a the end, Shizu refers to Kino as "Kino-kun" until after Kino makes that snide comment about galavanting with strange men.  The dog whispers something to Shizu, who then refers to her as "Kino-san" instead.  You might fool the audience with "bokus" and androgyny, but not a dog's nose.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: Gadget on October 13, 2017, 11:52:46 PM
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It seems every 'country' has an anti-Titan wall. I would sure like to see post Trump anti-Mexico wall when Kino drop by Unite States
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: gedata on October 14, 2017, 04:17:53 PM
I personally don't really care all that much about how this episode was severely cut-down in comparison to the 2003 counterpart really since I've only just rewatched that series in preparation for this one a couple of months ago. The only thing didn't like about this was how the King had all the scenes in which he wasn't just some pompous prop entirely removed so it was a lot less gratify to see his head blown to bits this time around. That said, I forgot the real reason why this was included at all, the fact this is where in the novels Shizu was introduced, and that's a bit of a big deal going forward.

By the end of this, Kino has more blood on her hands than many villains

Not really. The fact that they actually went through with her laws when they could've just easily rejected them isn't on Kino. It's not her fault that the people she comes across in these countries are extreme representations of bizarre ideas.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 14, 2017, 07:09:32 PM
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Not really. The fact that they actually went through with her laws when they could've just easily rejected them isn't on Kino. It's not her fault that the people she comes across in these countries are extreme representations of bizarre ideas.

Enh.  This is the therapist dilemma though.  If a psychiatrist who is treating a psychopath and knows they're a violent killer leaves a loaded gun on the table and leaves the room, then they're culpable for any deaths that psychopath inevitably causes.  She knew what she was doing with that rule.  Now, maybe only the most bloodthirsty deviants would have gone through with it.  If the guard was any indication, not everybody really liked this shit, and I think that's what her ultimate goal was:  get rid of the pricks so the good people could take over.

I stand by my comment, and the great thing about her character is that she got mad at herself for it.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: hayama on October 14, 2017, 09:30:58 PM
I liked this episode for difference in interpretation than the original. Sure, it was much more rushed than the only two part episode of the original, but they added nice little details to make it worthy of the revamp. Particularly the result of Kino's decision. In the original from what I remember the characters were blindstruck by her rule, yet the violence that ensued afterward was left out. I liked the track that they played to soften that blow and also further demonstrate the barbarism of the country. And the rocks thrown into the water reminds me of the few moments where they would show Kino to be more than just a passerby. Perhaps she was angry at herself to have ignited such acts, perhaps she was angry at the people to resort to them. This is one of the few moments from the show where Kino lets her philosophies or decisions have an incredible impact on the people around her, and while she may not regret the decision it somewhat goes against her rules as a traveler to not influence the people around her. Given that maybe it would've been better to save this episode for when the character is further developed so newbies could digest it easier, but I don't think that matters that much.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 20, 2017, 12:59:50 PM
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Fascinating.  I could go on for hours about that energy reactor and why the people of this country are stupid, but then I realize that the amount of mass that needs to be moved along those treads must take some serious power.  It may not be easy at all to deal with something capable of generating that kind of force.  The thing is, they have to stop every so often to fix the treads or other maintenance and to let travelers come and go, but they couldn't stop for five minutes to talk to the other country and / or provide some kind of restitution for damaging it?  Seems like the concept of "meiwaku", being a bother, was ironically being applied everywhere.  The moving country is a bother to other countries, a bother to its citizens, but at the same time other countries are seen as a bother to the moving country.  It is a weird bit of finger pointing and, as usual, nobody fixing the problem (Kino wasn't judge and jury this time).

In a nutshell, taking this literally works by itself but raises questions, but if you take it all as a giant metaphor or allegory to real world nation states and politics and how they interact with each other, it becomes a lot more obvious that the author was making a point about those who can operate from the bully pulpit. 
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: gedata on October 27, 2017, 07:04:45 PM
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Another pretty great episode. This one did a good job of establishing how Kino and Shizu's conduct differs when it comes to how they deal with being in new places. Kino prioritizes understanding what sets a country apart without much intereference and that of course ends up with her chilling with the Tower Clan. Shizu gravitates towards seeing how well the people are holding up, and that naturally leads him to believe that the Tower Clan is made up of control freak tyrants.The truth turned out a lot more strange then the cliche narrative Shizu wanted to believe in. The Tower Clan may have been shitty leaders, but you can't expect a collection of chat bots to write good legislation can you?

The allusions to real life come through strong here. People refusing to give up their unsustainable lifestyle because of ignorance and the fact nothing bad has happened yet. It's a lot easier to ignore problems right in front of you when the only solution requires real effort and the threat isn't immediate. As a result, Shizu's desire to rock the status quo only ended with his ideals being rejected by people who are now worse off then before his arrival.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: Gadget on October 28, 2017, 03:27:57 AM
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It's like one of those old science fiction stories that the colony ship lost it's way and the main computer became the guardian. And the ship slowly became broken down as they people lost the skills for repair and maintenance.

But to some people, order is more important than freedom. This was just like the time Aslan from Arslan Senki (The Heroic Legend of Arslan) when he freed the salves. the salves became angry. In the West, a totalitarian society like in 1984 is always bad. And we must do our best, internally, an externally, to prevent such governance.  And we look to the past like how the 13 colony fought against the British. Or we highlight the situation of North Korea from the asylum seekers. Or how the Chinese authorities are preventing freedom of expression from some artist. But in countries like NK or China, is that what the people really want?

A coin has 2 side, and Shizu only see from one side, and prejudiced by his own experience. While Kino tries to be above all, while experience the country.

Final thought on this. I went to a village in China. The people support the government one child policy. They think the government is doing the best for them. While the people in the city or nearer to the city views are quite different. They have a more 'western' view. As long as people don't get hungry, people will not longed for freedom.

edit:
Sword vs gun. I hoping to see a Cowboy Bebop Spike vs Viscous type fight. But it ended to fast.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 28, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
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This episode felt kind of wonky to me.  I realize info dumps have been a bit of the norm so far, but Hermes at the end there was just cringe inducing.  We never saw Hermes interacting with anybody, unlike in the Colosseum episode, so it just comes off as highly convenient.  I suppose when you give a character a near mute status, though, SOMEONE has to info dump, because she sure as hell wasn't going to.

The ending should have been predictable, but it still got me a bit.  Tifana's issues were a little extreme, but considering her history I guess it can make sense.  Given the single episode format, though, it becomes a little tough to see how she latched onto him so quickly and that they bonded like that.  I don't know.  Like I said, it felt wonky to me.  I still enjoyed it, but the narrative seemed fragile.

Best part of the episode?  Do NOT break your promises to Kino.  In one single scene cut, we go from Kino being interrupted mid sentence of explanation to "I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of gum".
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 03, 2017, 12:35:12 PM
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One little shorty episode where Kino uses her creativity to right a wrong without hurting anybody and one longer story about how the lies we tell people we think are the truth, in their own way, but that the real truth is a lot more complicated than any of us can ever know, or even lie about.  A woman who lies to her lover in order to live happily, a man who lies to everybody in order for the country to live happily, and a country that lies to a man in order for him to live happily.  There's a certain amount of tragedy to this, and yet at the same time there is a certain defense to the art of lying.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 13, 2017, 12:31:01 AM
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Sometimes, all a person needs in life, is a little motorad pragmatism.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: Gadget on November 13, 2017, 09:16:26 AM
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Sometimes, all a person needs in life, is a little motorad pragmatism.

Not all the time. Baita, the Honda CB400 from Bakuon!! only gave advice on how to get riding license. And how HE was neutered.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 13, 2017, 04:40:12 PM
Hey, it worked.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: Gadget on November 17, 2017, 06:43:23 PM
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False flag and conspiracy cover up! Where is the Clock Tower city or Historical City's Alex Jones Infowar?

The authority got their ass kick by Kino's master. To save face, they cook up a story. Tell people the lies long enough, it will become the truth. I almost believe the revolt story until Kino pointed out most of the old people has walking issues. I also doubt they story of how they overthrow the previous king story. (And I can just picture  Alex Jones shouting and ranting with his face turn red. An he ends the report by asking people to buy his health products.)
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: Equilibrium on November 18, 2017, 07:47:00 PM
7.

Just the fact that the show acknowledges the fact that the history is an unreliable source of information earns small golf appalaudes from me.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 19, 2017, 01:47:45 AM
I thought the story was just as much a lie as the "real" history.  There's no way two people holed up in a clock tower did all that.  Not by themselves.  I don't care how badass Kino's master is supposed to be. The truth is somewhere in between.  Probably.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: SQA on November 19, 2017, 04:04:23 AM
I thought the story was just as much a lie as the "real" history.  There's no way two people holed up in a clock tower did all that.  Not by themselves.  I don't care how badass Kino's master is supposed to be. The truth is somewhere in between.  Probably.

A very Japanese approach, where none of the observers are truly correct.

Also, it's fairly common historically to make monuments to "victories" that were total losses. As long as your nation is still there after the fact, it doesn't matter how badly you lost, in a few years it'll simply be remembered as the "great victory!".
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: hyperknees91 on November 19, 2017, 04:28:16 PM
You know I didn't get the whole cane thing until I read the posts in this forum and thought about it for a second. God I'm slow.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 02, 2017, 01:41:21 AM
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A collection of short stories about various (いろいろ) countries.  We got to see Shizu and Ti do some stuff, too.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: Equilibrium on December 02, 2017, 03:23:12 AM
9. The end credits thing was cute. Made me smile.... well the whole show makes me smile
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 19, 2017, 08:50:37 PM
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We've come back to the beginning, where Kino began her journey, where her country was easily one of the worst incarnations seen so far, and an effective David Lynch bit of metaphor on growing up and what adulthood means.

Or, in a nutshell, an excuse to see loli Kino in all her adorableness.  Poor lass really hasn't grown much has she?
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: Gadget on December 20, 2017, 06:08:31 AM
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I'm assuming the 'Great Surgery' is circumcision. And they make a big deal of FGM (Female genital mutilation) The whole 'disgrace to the family' thing. The way they make a joke of killing someone. They was killing is justified. It's just African/ Indian/ Pakistan/ Arab culture that is given a European surface. And once the adults are white European like people, it's even more disgusting than some illustrate black people. I'll end here before it's get too political.   
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 20, 2017, 01:36:23 PM
I think you're a bit late for that. ;D
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: gedata on December 22, 2017, 05:34:57 PM
I kind of forgot to keep up with this so I finished the series in one go today. Episodes 8 was nice and episode 9 was passable (the story about the virtue system was interesting,  and the cooking one was fun everything else was forgettable), but was kind of disappointed with 10 and 11 since they were re-adapted stories like episode 2, but didn't really add anything of particular significance. Was pretty confused with why they went with such a radically different design for the previous Kino.

(https://i.imgur.com/3pBXG28.jpg)

Right here is weathered individual who hasn't lost his smile despite whatever hard ships he's dealt with during his travels. All stuff you can understand in a single glance. Not some prissy looking bishounen who looks like the type of person that's callused their hands before. I also don't really care for the idea of plopping these two stories alongside each other since it makes the Kino/Sakura parallel a little too on the nose for my liking. The fact that "Kind Country" was shown before the "Country of Adults" takes away from something I thought was special about these episodes. The fact that the 2003 anime ends with Kino witnessing the country be swept away by the lava flow made her reaction feel more poignant since we already knew just how similar her youth was to Sakura's and why she formed such an immediate connection with her. Kino's time with Sakura was both a nostalgic escape and also an idealized fantasy of what her home life should have looked like. With her death, Kino has failed to do what her predecessor did, save a child from the crushing burden of parental expectations and absurd societal customs. All this comes across more clearly if you know who Kino was first. Also, the visual came off as little over-the-top with the oppressive color palette and sneering men and women. The moment where Kino's father snaps at her should feel a lot more sudden but the direction gives off the vibe that something is fundamentally messed up with these adults moreso than we would assume.


Not terrible episodes, but disappointing in retrospect since these were effectively the last two Kino episodes of the series.

A bit of an irksome thing with this series is that it the stories that do include Kino are often ones where she's a major influence on the ongoing plot rather than someone just watching these countries reach/deal with whatever conclusion they've screwed themselves into with their bizarre customs. She's better off as an audience surrogate, that of course has her own opinions/interpretations but keeps them to herself until thinking things over with Hermes once she's on the road again. While she can function as a great central character (the 2nd episode of the 2003 was all Kino and was my favorite of all), Kino taking matters into her own hands is supposed to feel special. This series, however, seem to want to show off her gun at every possible opportunity. And that leads me to whatever we're supposed to call this week's abortion of a send-off.

Kino fighting off a pack of man-hating CG sheep was stupid on near surreal level and takes my previous complaint about over-emphasized gun action to an embarassing level. Not helping was the abundant CG, the way the sheep flew back as if blasted by a shot gun, or  the shitty 4th wall breaking Gintama impression at the end. Complete f***ing disaster.

My impression of this reboot has really dipped. What I've seen of Girl's Last Tour absolutely trounces this.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 24, 2017, 12:47:59 AM
12 (END?):

Well, I'm not going to feel bad about eating lamb ever again.  **** you, sheep.  That actually started out as a real Hitchcockian nightmare type story, where inexplicably an animal, perceived as being relatively harmless (unless you've actually encountered wild rams, in which case nobody would ever ****ing think that because wild rams are mean ****ers), turns into a violent and dangerous creature bent on human destruction.  The why wasn't important, just that Kino found herself thrust into something utterly odd and terrifying.  The idea of having our perceptions thrown about suddenly is what makes a really good horror story, because we take for granted that a sheep would just ignore you as you drive by on your motorcycle.  ****ing sheep.

I thought the series overall was highly enjoyable, but having never seen the original series, I don't have anything to contrast it to, which might be better for me, frankly.  Unlike Gedata there, I actually like that Kind Country comes before Adult Country, because it does force you to go back and realize what Kino's problem was at the end of Kind Country there.  At the time, you just think it is some kind of regret, but after watching her backstory, you know it is much worse.  Maybe, again, the perspective I have makes it work because I didn't know either thing going into this, but I don't know.

I liked it a lot, though I do find some of the stories to be a more provocative than others, and several of them just flat out wonky.  I guess you can only create so many bizarre scenarios before things start getting hamfisted or passe.  Hermes was the great constant, as a completely self absorbed inanimate object who really hates lying on its side.  No, really, stand him up already.

A solid 7.  I don't have a crapton of complaints except the disjointed nature of the storytelling and some pacing issues.  Otherwise it was fun times.
Title: Re: Kino no Tabi (Kino's Journey) -the Beautiful World-
Post by: hyperknees91 on December 30, 2017, 09:23:06 PM
12: What in gods name did I just watch?

Good show, episode 11 should've been the end though.