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Title: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Yog on October 05, 2015, 06:48:19 PM
Hi there, I've been lurking on this site for years, and I've been stricken with the urge to make an account these days.

I've always enjoyed anime that you can pick apart, analyze, find multiple ways to interpret. I was wondering if anyone else had anything for me, haha.

Just to give a bit of context to my tastes, I have a few titles.

Kaiba
Serial Experiments Lain
Texhnolyze
Kino's Journey
Shin Sekai Yori
Mushishi

Even if there's nothing to suggest, I'd love to just discuss, shoot the shit about this sort of stuff.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: gedata on October 05, 2015, 07:58:49 PM
Paranoia Agent
Ghost in the Shell (Movies and SAC specificall)
Ergo Proxy
The Tatami Galaxy
Monster
Fullmetal Alchemist (specifically the 2003 adaptation)
Go have fun now.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Marid King on October 05, 2015, 08:06:21 PM
Psycho Pass is intensely cerebral.

For serious this time, it's one of the best and most thought-provoking anime of the current decade.

For a more emotional experience that offers more questions than answers, there's Gankutsuo, the best anime ever made.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: KS on October 05, 2015, 08:29:05 PM
I guess I'd go with Legend of The Galactic Heroes.  I've never really seen a show tackle the ideas of the human struggle and social contract theory quite like it has.  It covers a very wide array of topics from will to power and succession, merits and failings of both democratic and monarchical political systems, the costs of war, grey morality, family, military tactics and the importance of selecting those with talent versus status and many more and it always does it with maturity and is never insulting or condescending toward the viewer.  You also get characters of varying ages, walks of life and persuasion and there's pretty much no dead weight or superfluous purpose to their being in the story which is pretty unusual for a lot of anime.  There's really no other show quite like it though it is a long daunting one at 3 Movies plus 110 OVA episodes of 22-30 minutes plus another 50 episodes of prequel and backstory.  For most people I've gotten into it though the watch goes a lot faster than they might think.  I remember watching the first 26 or so episodes over the course of a year and then the last 84 or so in the span of like a month.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Yog on October 05, 2015, 08:35:41 PM
Paranoia Agent
Ghost in the Shell (Movies and SAC specificall)
Ergo Proxy
The Tatami Galaxy
Monster

Go have fun now.

Oh, I've seen all these, haha.

I'm a huge fan of Masaaki Yuasa, so I loved Tatami Galaxy especially, and I maintain Monster is one of the best anime I've ever seen, bar none.

Of the rest, Ghost in the Shell is always fantastic, but I haven't gotten around to seeing any of the new stuff yet, I have no idea what to think.

Satoshi Kon is also a must, so i already saw paranoia agent.

I could never get through Ergo Proxy. As much as I loved the concept and everything, there was something that just. Struck me wrong. Possibly how slow it felt, but Texhnolyze already beats it there, so. I dunno.

Psycho Pass is intensely cerebral.

For serious this time, it's one of the best and most thought-provoking anime of the current decade.

For a more emotional experience that offers more questions than answers, there's Gankutsuo, the best anime ever made.
I LOVED Psycho Pass. Gen Urobochi, when he's given free reign, can create some intensely interesting stories. Psycho Pass was one of his best, shame about that second season though.

Gankutsuo is completely new to me, I'll take a look.

I'm sure this is a bit of old news, but something that I was completely fascinated in was Oyasumi Punpun. A manga, sure, but one of the greatest things I've read period.

I guess I'd go with Legend of The Galactic Heroes.  I've never really seen a show tackle the ideas of the human struggle and social contract theory quite like it has.  It covers a very wide array of topics from will to power and succession, merits and failings of both democratic and monarchical political systems, the costs of war, grey morality, family, military tactics and the importance of selecting those with talent versus status and many more and it always does it with maturity and is never insulting or condescending toward the viewer.  You also get characters of varying ages, walks of life and persuasion and there's pretty much no dead weight or superfluous purpose to their being in the story which is pretty unusual for a lot of anime.  There's really no other show quite like it though it is a long daunting one at 3 Movies plus 110 OVA episodes of 22-30 minutes plus another 50 episodes of prequel and backstory.  For most people I've gotten into it though the watch goes a lot faster than they might think.  I remember watching the first 26 or so episodes over the course of a year and then the last 84 or so in the span of like a month.

Mmm, anything to do with in depth studies of society and the human condition automatically gets a look see from me. Especially if it has shades of gray with it's morality.

And there's a LOT of content too, haha, so it'll be fascinating to chew through.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: The Big Guy on October 05, 2015, 09:03:46 PM
I'll throw together a quick list of shows that at the very least will make you think, in no particular order. I did not include shows with excellent characterization and character development (Hyouka, Monogatari, Kure-nai)  nor did I include shows that require interpretation to truly understand (RahXephon, Oregairu S2) though you could argue they are just are thought provoking as the shows I list below.

Gatchaman Crowds/Insight
Casshern Sins
Time of Eve
Aquatic Language
Dennou Coil
Key the Metal Idol
Vampire Princess Miyu OVA
Martian Successor Nadesico
Now and Then, Here and There
HunterXHunter
Banner of the Stars/Crest of the Stars
Infinite Ryvius
Koi Kaze
Denpa Teki Na Kanojo
Patlabor 2
Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket
Utena
Yuri Kuma Arashi
And of course, the Berserk Outtakes ("Where was I? Oh, right, the Meaning of Life by Guts. What is the meaning of death?"
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Delphinox on October 05, 2015, 09:10:49 PM
Even if there's nothing to suggest, I'd love to just discuss, shoot the shit about this sort of stuff.

Fire at will then, homie. Chances are you'll get something going if you rattle off enough shows or talking points or whatever.

But if you've been around the block a bit, then my go-to suggestion would probably drill down to Mouryou no Hako (if you haven't seen that already, of course). A really bizarre and obsessive central murder mystery with a ton of different threads strewn about, presented in a novel-like fashion that's often pretty relentless on the mind because of the sheer amount of attention it demands to begin to untangle everything about it. Not necessarily one of my favorites in terms of cerebral shows, but I found it plenty interesting enough and it's not every day I can dig deep enough to suggest it, so I might as well seize the opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Yog on October 05, 2015, 09:20:17 PM
I'll throw together a quick list of shows that at the very least will make you think, in no particular order. I did not include shows with excellent characterization and character development (Hyouka, Monogatari, Kure-nai)  nor did I include shows that require interpretation to truly understand (RahXephon, Oregairu S2) though you could argue they are just are thought provoking as the shows I list below.

Gatchaman Crowds/Insight
Casshern Sins
Time of Eve
Aquatic Language
Dennou Coil
Key the Metal Idol
Vampire Princess Miyu OVA
Martian Successor Nadesico
Now and Then, Here and There
HunterXHunter
Banner of the Stars/Crest of the Stars
Infinite Ryvius
Koi Kaze
Denpa Teki Na Kanojo
Patlabor 2
Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket
Utena
Yuri Kuma Arashi
And of course, the Berserk Outtakes ("Where was I? Oh, right, the Meaning of Life by Guts. What is the meaning of death?"

I've seen the bolded, nothing but good stuff. The others will probably be just as good as well.

Kunihiko Ikuhara remains one of my go tos in terms of just brain snacks that last for weeks. I haven't touched Yuri Kuma Arashi, dunno why. Haven't heard the best about it, but I need to watch it regardless.

Even if there's nothing to suggest, I'd love to just discuss, shoot the shit about this sort of stuff.

Fire at will then, homie. Chances are you'll get something going if you rattle off enough shows or talking points or whatever.

But if you've been around the block a bit, then my go-to suggestion would probably drill down to Mouryou no Hako (if you haven't seen that already, of course). A really bizarre and obsessive central murder mystery with a ton of different threads strewn about, presented in a novel-like fashion that's often pretty relentless on the mind because of the sheer amount of attention it demands to begin to untangle everything about it. Not necessarily one of my favorites in terms of cerebral shows, but I found it plenty interesting enough and it's not every day I can dig deep enough to suggest it, so I might as well seize the opportunity to do so.

Oh fantastic, we're getting to the very obscure now, haha.

I'll take that suggestion, anything of that level is perfect.

Anything to do with self awareness in things that aren't human, or containing trans-humanist themes just gets me drooling.

Currently I'm just rolling through Kemonozume again, and after that, the Mardock Scramble series. Anyone have anything to say about those movies?

I also have enjoy any b movie stuff, heh. Just gorey stupid fare is fun to watch when you need to unplug as well.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: samui on October 05, 2015, 09:23:57 PM
Perfect Blue (also a movie from Satoshi Kon) and the 2012 Lupin (The Woman Named Fujiko Mine) spinoff are also mind trolls. Of course, Penguindrum also counts.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: The Big Guy on October 05, 2015, 09:34:16 PM
I think most of the bad press for Yuri Kuma Arashi occurred because the show, like all of Ikuhara's shows, take a couple episodes of repetition before it finds its groove. Utena took a couple episodes of cliche shoujo storylines and goofy comedy before it started delving into its cast, Mawaru Penguin Drum had its slow burning diary storyline before it showed its hand (and ten thousand plot twists), and Yuri Kuma Arashi has three episodes of almost beat to beat repetition before it deviates and becomes a much stronger show in the process. I think they are all excellent.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Delphinox on October 05, 2015, 09:38:37 PM
Currently I'm just rolling through Kemonozume again, and after that, the Mardock Scramble series. Anyone have anything to say about those movies?

On the note of the Mardock Scramble movies, only a variation of a tired joke:

"Hi, I'm anime cyberpunk, and I have DirectTV."

"And I'm Tow Ubukata-written anime cyberpunk, and I have cable."
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Yog on October 05, 2015, 09:41:49 PM
Perfect Blue (also a movie from Satoshi Kon) and the 2012 Lupin (The Woman Named Fujiko Mine) spinoff are also mind trolls. Of course, Penguindrum also counts.

I need to watch more Lupin. But I've seen Perfect Blue, it's pretty good.
I think most of the bad press for Yuri Kuma Arashi occurred because the show, like all of Ikuhara's shows, take a couple episodes of repetition before it finds its groove. Utena took a couple episodes of cliche shoujo storylines and goofy comedy before it started delving into its cast, Mawaru Penguin Drum had its slow burning diary storyline before it showed its hand (and ten thousand plot twists), and Yuri Kuma Arashi has three episodes of almost beat to beat repetition before it deviates and becomes a much stronger show in the process. I think they are all excellent.
I'll put it on my schedule then.

I loved Penguindrum, while Utena is my favorite of Ikuhara's shows, Penguindrum frequently battles it for that spot with every time I see it.

Especially since that show is just. Filled with all sort of different ways to view it.

Currently I'm just rolling through Kemonozume again, and after that, the Mardock Scramble series. Anyone have anything to say about those movies?

On the note of the Mardock Scramble movies, only a variation of a tired joke:

"Hi, I'm anime cyberpunk, and I have DirectTV."

"And I'm Tow Ubukata-written anime cyberpunk, and I have cable."
Hehe. Hmm. So it doesn't really reach the average standard, huh?
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Delphinox on October 05, 2015, 10:13:49 PM
Hehe. Hmm. So it doesn't really reach the average standard, huh?

For the sake of keeping it brief since I've got to be up in the morning, I've found Mardock Scramble to have pretty much the same fundamental problems as Tow Ubukata's more prolific works - it's completely lost on how to present the fine details that make a lot of the cyberpunk genre's standouts what they are.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Yog on October 05, 2015, 10:16:19 PM
Hrm.

That's a shame then.

It looked pretty interesting.

I wonder what I'll replace it with.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Reckoner on October 05, 2015, 10:39:33 PM
So you seem to have an affinity for more "cerebral" works as I do. For the record, Mardock Scramble is a pure disappointment. As someone who loves Texhnolyze (An anime I consider one of the best ever) and Lain, I think I have an idea of what you might be interested in. Something like Legend of the Galactic Heroes doesn't really fit the bill in this regard, though it is a great anime worth checking out if you  ever feel up to it.

A show I think you should definitely check out if you haven't already is Mushishi. It's hard to describe, but that series puts your mind in a totally different state of mind. Haibane Renmei is also a must see. You'll notice the artist for it is the same as Lain and Texhnolyze (Yoshitoshi Abe). Oh and of course, if you haven't ever seen Neon Genesis Evangelion (The TV series and End of Evangelion), you should definitely see it even if it's just for hisotrical understanding of how much of modern anime came to be. It definitely gives you plenty to think about (Particularly the second half), and it still remains my favorite anime of all time.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Yog on October 05, 2015, 10:45:10 PM
I love Mushishi, you hit the bullseye in its description.

It's similar to Kino's Journey in that regard, both series kind of evoke this feeling of sonder in different worlds.

It reminds me of the feeling I got when I moved around as a kid living in a bunch of countries. Where if you let yourself, you can take in all these connections and perspectives, different cultures, to the point where you feel this. Infinite understanding of an metaphysical organism that is humanity, constantly keeping itself in balance in all sorts of ways.

I went off tangent, haha.

Evangelion was a given to watch actually, I get angry when people rail on Shinji for the exact qualities that make him fascinating.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Reckoner on October 05, 2015, 10:56:40 PM
Hah. Well I'm long past trying to defend Shinji all these years. People who criticize him were never meant to understand or like Evangelion in the first place. You elaborated on more how I feel about Mushishi, definitely not many things out there like it in all of entertainment.

So yeah, still highly recommend Haibane Renmei.

You could always try the Kara no Kyoukai film series (Garden of Sinners). It may be hard to grasp the Type/Moon Universe if you're a newcomer (Especially since the movies are not chronological in order), but there's a lot to think about it. The atmosphere of it is amazing.

Mononoke is a very unique anime itself with a very unusual style. You probably would enjoy it.

For something quite a bit different, there's Welcome to the NHK.Some grumpy people out there don't like the differences between it and its manga, but I think the anime is plenty great in its own right. It sheds light on the situation regarding hikikomori, among other things.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Yog on October 05, 2015, 11:03:18 PM
It's hilarious that you bring up NHK, a few friends of mine say that it's my life in a lot of ways because of a few year stint of life as a hermit and really bad agoraphobia.

It's also one of the anime that I love the dub for, Chris Patton nails the anxiety ridden feelings of despair that accompanied my own experience.

I've heard nothing but good things about the other 3, in truth I watched the first Kara No Kyoukai film and was scared off. Thought I missed something somewhere, if that feeling was on the mark, then I'll stick with them.

I was thinking of Haibane Renmei for a while because I saw some of it and I was reminded of Lain. Nice to know they have the same artist.

Yoshitoshi Abe, gotta keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Reckoner on October 05, 2015, 11:12:55 PM
I think that's part of what can be really disturbing about Welcome to the NHK for some people, including myself. Psychologically it hits a little too close to home sometimes (Not just with the main character).

With regards to Kara no Kyoukai, it might be worth reading up on it for some lore/background because the universe is more than just 1 show (There's also Tsukhiime which doesn't really have an anime, and Fate/Stay Night in the same universe). The first movie doesn't really make much sense until later though. Movie 2 is where you get some solid footing with the characters though.

OKAY. Well for anime in this vein I think I exhausted the ones I truly think are good/great. Maybe give Wolf's Rain a try. I had problems with some of the mid portions of it, but it's definitely a unique experience. Yoko Kanno sound track can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Yog on October 05, 2015, 11:18:52 PM
Wolf's rain has always been on my radar, but I've never really sat down to watch.

Have you given Punpun a try? It's a manga but you seem like you'd love it's characters.

It's fascinating, deliciously dark, and very. Real.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Marid King on October 06, 2015, 01:40:08 AM
I'll never forget Punpun. Not the plot details, but its style and identity, and the raw emotions it communicated were all attacks I was very vulnerable to when I read it. It was like being a kid again during terrible times. Didn't enjoy it, but that's not the point anyway.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Yog on October 06, 2015, 10:11:06 AM
I enjoyed it to a great degree, actually.

Maybe I'm a masochist but it was a delight to see such characters delve into dark subjects like Punpun did.

His entire spiral at the end of its run was brilliant, and not to delve into spoilers, the overall conclusion was phenomenal, if a bit lacking in reality.

It's what got me hooked to Asano Inio's works, and ever since then, I've been devouring anything else they make.

Same thing happened with Oshimi Shuzo, the person who made Aku no Hana.

They love tackling some dark subjects, and for that, I read anything they write.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Mr. Flawfinder on October 08, 2015, 03:48:32 PM
Pretty much all my favorite anime that aren't comedies get my mind racing. Not interested in posting all that here, so I'm just going to list a few that I'd recommend you watch if you haven't.

Aku no Hana
Aoi Bungaku
Bokurano
Cat Soup
Cowboy Bebop
Haibane Renmei
Kaiba
Mawaru Penguindrum
Mind Game
Mouryou no Hako
Mushishi
Paranoia Agent
Patlabor 2: The Movie
Serial Experiments Lain
Texhnolyze
The Big O
The Tatami Galaxy
Un-Go
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Pebble on October 08, 2015, 10:00:13 PM
mind racing
[...]
Cat Soup

He means something very specific. And its not 'you'll be enveloped in Cartesian musings about the nature of man'. Its 'you will hear the crunching sound as your mind, having become completely disoriented in its quest for meaning, collides with a metaphorical brick wall and becomes one with The Yuasa'.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Alpha413 on October 09, 2015, 05:55:21 AM
I'm probably not suggesting exactly what you wanted, but, I would suggest you one live action show and a manga. The live action show is Kamen Rider Gaim, which is best described as a Kamen Rider series made by Gen Urobuchi, and he was given almost full control, and in case you watch it, don't watch episode 30. The manga is Qualia the Purple, it starts slowly and is nothing special for the first 6 chapters (by the way it is 18 chapters long), then the "fun" starts. It is a fascinating work, and an unexpectedly epic one.
Title: Re: Cerebral anime to digest
Post by: Mr. Flawfinder on October 09, 2015, 04:12:23 PM
mind racing
[...]
Cat Soup

He means something very specific. And its not 'you'll be enveloped in Cartesian musings about the nature of man'. Its 'you will hear the crunching sound as your mind, having become completely disoriented in its quest for meaning, collides with a metaphorical brick wall and becomes one with The Yuasa'.

You've obviously never seen Cat Soup (the OVA. Not the TV series) if you think it doesn't fall into that.