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Title: A thank you and hello
Post by: Muds on January 23, 2014, 10:49:54 PM
Hi there, first post, new user and all!

I don't know if this is the right forum to post to but seems to be the most relevant one.

I'm a pretty super big anime fan, or at least I was up until things became incredibly crappy in the anime world in the last couple of years.

The last great anime that I watched was FMA Brotherhood and the very last anime I watched was Aoi no Exorcist. I didn't stop because I couldn't be assed, I just stopped because I couldn't find anything I liked. It's been a while and trust me, I've been upset that I've had to continuously rewatch stuff rather than new material - made me sad.  :'(

BUT THEN I came across this website yesterday (don't remember how), but the list of reviews and ratings caught my eye. The ratings of the reviewers aligned to my tastes, not everything, but a lot. I started going through (and I haven't finished) the top 10s and 9s and found I had missed a shitload of things to see (say whaaat), like Akage no Anne, Shiki and the lot. Never heard of them. Let's just say, I was pretty amazed and holy crap, am I going to start going through this list like mad.

So I thought I'd say thanks to the reviewers for igniting this uh, passion again! Just cannot believe it.

I might as well put it down, feel free to recommend me anime!

My faves TV series are:
Rurouni Kenshin (everything except for the 3rd shitty anime arc, but the manga was great)
FMA: Brotherhood (I can't believe one of the reviewers gave it a shit rating, but thank the other reviewer for giving it a 9 lol)
Monster (Surprised this wasn't a 10 -> masterpiece)
Gundam SeeD (okay, this was my very first Gundam series, so I might be biased but I thought it pretty cool)
Honey & Clover I&II
Nodame Cantabille
Host Club
Rose of Versailles (I couldn't believe someone actually reviewed this and gave it a 10, wow. Probably one of the saddest animes of all time)

Okay, having trouble remembering but these were good too from the top of my head
12 Kingdoms (Sad that they never completed it)
Code Geass
Death Note (1st half only, second half was bs)
Karekane (Went all evangelion near the end....)

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I went through some of the list yesterday and this is what I have so far. Feel free to let me know if I've chosen correctly!
Wolf Children (movie)
Michiko to Hatchin (TV)
Sword of the Stranger (movie.. meant to be gory? I hate gore but.... )
Now and then, here and there
kino's journey
Shiki
Planetes
Le Portrait de peteit
Akage no Anne
Giant Robo
Shin Sekai Yori
Tetsujin 28
Tentai Senshi Sunred

thanks guys!!!
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 23, 2014, 11:02:06 PM
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So I thought I'd say thanks to the reviewers for igniting this uh, passion again! Just cannot believe it.

You're welcome.  For a long time I was running around with a trademark "I watch crap so you don't have to", but I took it off because that wasn't my own duty, but everyone's.  Friends don't let friends watch shit.

As for your list

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Wolf Children (movie)
Michiko to Hatchin (TV)
Sword of the Stranger (movie.. meant to be gory? I hate gore but.... )
Now and then, here and there
kino's journey
Shiki
Planetes
Le Portrait de peteit
Akage no Anne
Giant Robo
Shin Sekai Yori
Tetsujin 28
Tentai Senshi Sunred

Remember, a lot of these reviews come from reviewers with different tastes and backgrounds.  You may or may not agree with them as recommendations, but that's why we watch them.  Even a 10 to one person is only a 6 to another.  It happens.

Which brings me to a question:  you said you don't like gore, which makes me wonder what other things you don't like.  Some of those on that list have some questionable content for those not into some more severe themes.  Shin Sekai Yori, for example, has depictions of causal hetero and homo sexual activity, though it isn't for fanservice like it would be in other shows, but is a major plot point to the world setting.  Shiki has some rather macabre depictions of violence, and gets downright brutal later.  Now & Then, Here & There features a horrible world where the absolute worst can happen at any given time (you have been warned).  You already mentioned Sword of the Stranger.

The rest I either haven't seen or should be relatively fine for most viewers.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Kiniest on January 23, 2014, 11:55:07 PM
I'd recommend not just stopping with the tens and nines, but going as far down as seven. Hell, try out some sixes, too. If something catches your fancy, check it out. Don't let someone else's rating keep you from trying something. Not that I'm implying it is, with you, but there are so many good shows out there that you can justify checking out anything.

I am always, always willing to give recommendations and take recommendations from an interested anime fan, but there will always be some things I disagree with.

1. Anime really hasn't gotten that bad in the last few years. You may have different sorts of tropes that infest the medium now, but it's not like it's any worse or better than it was before. When I think of the nineties, the only three titles that instantly come to mind are Lain, Escaflowne, and Evangelion. When I think of 2007 and 2006, tons of titles come to mind. The years 2011, 2012, and 2013 all have titles that I will instantly name by their mentioning. Maybe you just haven't been interested enough to look into these years, which is fine, but I would go much deeper into an argument than that against any claim that anime has weakened recently.

2. These guys rate in their own way. I can tell you that 6 certainly isn't a bad rating. 5 isn't even a bad rating. So, certainly expand your interests past just the shows that were given 9 and 10.

And that's about it for my little... aside... whatever thing.

Nice to meet you.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Desdemondia on January 24, 2014, 12:01:18 AM
 Hey, welcome! ;D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrPJU-xWn9o)

For your list, I have a few tentative standard suggestions to make based loosely from your criteria of not being too much of a fan for gore..  But I mean, can't go wrong with these if you haven't seen them yet:
-Stein's gate
-the immortal duo, Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo
-Mushishi
-I'd highly highly recommend watching Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan Tsuiokuhen; that is if you aren't hung up solely on the lighthearted parts of RK.
-Toki wo kakeru shoujo (movie)
-Chihayafuru
-Haibane Renmei
Pretty much gore-free I guess. Though, my question with your list is also how you have Shiki down in all its bloody violent glory, and you still say you hate gore; I guess you mean you're fine with blood but not the slicing-off-limbs type of gore?
So I thought I'd say thanks to the reviewers for igniting this uh, passion again! Just cannot believe it.
Well now, here's a different solution for the anime burnout thread ::)

FMA: Brotherhood (I can't believe one of the reviewers gave it a shit rating, but thank the other reviewer for giving it a 9 lol)
That shit rating is one of the few that I can't believe either and my kudos to MK as he wrote the exact words that I had thought all along about the series: I enjoyed every single one of the openings and endings with the exception of one (Tsunaida Te) though even that only one still held a nice charm to it with the opening guitar strums. You wouldn't believe how excited I was to see a NHRV reviewer putting those strong thoughts down onto paper in a review. I'd have to concede that I may be a bit biased when it comes to fmab though.

I went through some of the list yesterday and this is what I have so far. Feel free to let me know if I've chosen correctly!
Some rather worn-out words about how there aren't correct or wrong choices as everyone's entitled to their own opinion etc. .. except.. where is Mononoke Hime.. WRONG. YOU'VE CHOSEN WRONG.

Sword of the Stranger (movie.. meant to be gory? I hate gore but.... )
Just a comment I have, makes me curious how everyone mentions gory in the same sentence as StoS whereas I sure see where it's coming from, and yet I remember it almost purely for it's soundtrack and it's straightforward but exceptionally heart warming story. I don't even think about the gore part.

Some advice: bewaare of the one who posted above first ;) he's scary.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Muds on January 24, 2014, 12:52:10 AM
Remember, a lot of these reviews come from reviewers with different tastes and backgrounds.  You may or may not agree with them as recommendations, but that's why we watch them.  Even a 10 to one person is only a 6 to another.  It happens.

Which brings me to a question:  you said you don't like gore, which makes me wonder what other things you don't like.  Some of those on that list have some questionable content for those not into some more severe themes.  Shin Sekai Yori, for example, has depictions of causal hetero and homo sexual activity, though it isn't for fanservice like it would be in other shows, but is a major plot point to the world setting.  Shiki has some rather macabre depictions of violence, and gets downright brutal later.  Now & Then, Here & There features a horrible world where the absolute worst can happen at any given time (you have been warned).  You already mentioned Sword of the Stranger.

The rest I either haven't seen or should be relatively fine for most viewers.

Hey, yeah so with the gore thing, which you guys have picked up - yep, I totally don't like the limbs coming off bit but I guess I am willing to cringe through it if the anime is great. For eg) Kenshin OVA was pretty bad for me but relative to how bloody awesome it is, I'm totally okay with it. Then again, it probably wasn't that bad. I remember seeing a scene from ... I think Ninja Scroll (?), some dude rips/pulls off some other dude's arms and actually drinks the blood from the dripping stump. See, that..., that was disturbing to me. That was so incredibly gross that I stopped immediately. It's hard to say, I'd prefer not missing out but... it also depends @_@ Side note: I haven't watched Game of Thrones for this reason so but I have read it :P
As for what else I don't like.... I can't think of anything else specifically.

Hey, welcome! ;D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrPJU-xWn9o)

For your list, I have a few tentative standard suggestions to make based loosely from your criteria of not being too much of a fan for gore..  But I mean, can't go wrong with these if you haven't seen them yet:
-Stein's gate
-the immortal duo, Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo
-Mushishi
-I'd highly highly recommend watching Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan Tsuiokuhen; that is if you aren't hung up solely on the lighthearted parts of RK.
-Toki wo kakeru shoujo (movie)
-Chihayafuru
-Haibane Renmei
Pretty much gore-free I guess. Though, my question with your list is also how you have Shiki down in all its bloody violent glory, and you still say you hate gore; I guess you mean you're fine with blood but not the slicing-off-limbs type of gore?

Don't kill me, but I didn't like bebop nor champloo lol I tried!
From this list, I basically haven't seen Stein's gate and chihayafuru so will check them out!!
I loved toki wo katkeru shoujo and being the biggest kenshin fan... don't you worry, I've seen all kenshin :D
I haven't seen Shiki and didn't realise that it's violent and bloody - but again, I don't mind the blood and splatter as long as it's not disturbingly gory-gross. So I'll be careful with this one too? Unless it's just blood and stuff?

Some rather worn-out words about how there aren't correct or wrong choices as everyone's entitled to their own opinion etc. .. except.. where is Mononoke Hime.. WRONG. YOU'VE CHOSEN WRONG.
haha I HAVE SEEN IT, MY ONLY COMPLAINT IS I HAVE ONLY SEEN IT ONCE. Big Ghibli fan here. I haven't mentioned any movies because.... man, the list goes on... too much! i'll move onto that next. I've pretty much seen most ghibli films at least twice and in some cases (totoro, laputa, nausicaa) over 20 times. Started when I was 4 yo!

I'd recommend not just stopping with the tens and nines, but going as far down as seven. Hell, try out some sixes, too. If something catches your fancy, check it out. Don't let someone else's rating keep you from trying something. Not that I'm implying it is, with you, but there are so many good shows out there that you can justify checking out anything.

Yep, I agree. I'm just starting with 10s and 9s for now and even then I'm only slightly into the 9s, there's just no way I can possibly read 100 reviews!

As for each reviewer having different tastes, I also agree. So what I've been doing is sorting them and somewhat painfully seeing what each reviewer has in common with me to see if they align, and that's pretty much how I came up with the list above. Whoever gave FMA: Brotherhood 5... I have stayed away from, or welllll at least I don't trust him/her as much! no offense.

Oh man, this quoting business is hard!
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 24, 2014, 01:28:49 AM
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Hey, yeah so with the gore thing, which you guys have picked up - yep, I totally don't like the limbs coming off bit but I guess I am willing to cringe through it if the anime is great. For eg) Kenshin OVA was pretty bad for me but relative to how bloody awesome it is, I'm totally okay with it. Then again, it probably wasn't that bad. I remember seeing a scene from ... I think Ninja Scroll (?), some dude rips/pulls off some other dude's arms and actually drinks the blood from the dripping stump. See, that..., that was disturbing to me. That was so incredibly gross that I stopped immediately. It's hard to say, I'd prefer not missing out but... it also depends @_@ Side note: I haven't watched Game of Thrones for this reason so but I have read it :P
As for what else I don't like.... I can't think of anything else specifically.

If the Kenshin OAVs are a bit much for you, you're going to have a problem with a lot of the more violent anime.  Seems you had no problem with Mononoke Hime, tho, which had decapitations and some pretty brutal moments, so maybe we can find a happy medium somewhere.  Just ask if a title is heavy gore and we'll let you know (if we've seen it).

As for the FMA: Brotherhood rating of a 5, that was done by Shadowmage.  He's one of our longer running reviewers and one of the smartest guys around.  He's seen a lot of anime, and if he thought something was mediocre, he probably had a very good reason for it.  Doesn't mean he's right, nor does it mean you're going to agree with him, but don't shy away from his other recommendations because of it.  He has said many a thing I agree with more than disagree with.

That being said, as it was pointed out above, sometimes reviewers don't like something and give it a low grade.  There have been a number of reviews I've disagreed with over the years, sometimes even my own.  Don't let a low rating scare you; this is why you read the review, for context.  Sometimes a rating of 3 is legitimate, sometimes it is just for personal prejudices vs. a certain genre or type of anime.  The review itself is there to let you know WHY someone gave a rating they did.  Doesn't mean you wont like it, but then again, maybe you wont.

Explore at your leisure.  That's what makes this media fun.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: AC on January 24, 2014, 08:50:23 AM
Welcome aboard, Muds!

Funny how you said Monster deserves a 10, because I'd give that grade if I had written a review for NHRV. Same goes for Rurouni Kenshin OVA 1. I also share the same sentiments as Shadowmade for FMA: Brotherhood: I couldn't really see what's really about the anime because it tries too hard with the drama, and the only thing I could take away from the series is the action sequences.

As the one who wrote for Michiko to Hatchin, Sword of the Stranger and Wolf Children, I guess I'll sum them up quickly:

Sword of the Stranger is violent. I won't say gory; although they can mean the same, to me the violence is more stylised. It isn't the type that makes you cringe like Shiki (the type of violence in Shiki is quite ****ed up). Michiko to Hatchin is your answer to Thelma and Louise, a story about sisterhood and a bond between two female individuals. Wolf Children is amazing for me because of the poignant motif of family.

I actually want to recommend you REDLINE, but seeing as how you didn't like Cowboy Bebop, perhaps I won't. Both are pretty much of the same mold.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 24, 2014, 09:29:04 AM
Funny how many people didn't like the second half of Death Note. I thought it was central to Lights development and the conclusion. But yeah different people with different tastes so yeah. I've only given 4 shows a 10 myself.

That's the main thing. Read their reviews as their well written and brief. If the complaints don't typically bother you in shows then pay no mind, and if the positives they point out are things you look for then give it a whirl.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Muds on January 24, 2014, 05:53:50 PM
Hmmmm, maybe I'll try explain a bit better about the whole gory violent thing.

I'm okay with violence, in particular I don't mind 'implied violence' but without showing it. It's when the heads and limbs start falling off and being sliced up that I think it unnecessary. I've unintentionally seen some pretty gross stuff, like in Kenshin OVA, but even then, the most powerful cringeworthy scene I can think of is Monster's nail cutting scene. Didn't show it but *shiver*, that was done so, so well. Far out. Why can't people learn to do it this way instead, then I can watch more shows :P
And when you're talking about disturbing fked up, then there better be a good reason for it and not because the show is psychotic and fked up itself. That isn't Shiki right? ...

And yes, I actually have been reading the reviews and not just the number! lol but admittedly skimmed through a lot, and also - the images. Kinda like judging a book by its cover, can't help it. If it's in a drawing style that I like or am familiar with, I will probably skim through a review and find important points. And for a drawing style that I'm not accustomed to or don't like, I'll probably read more carefully.
This is probably also one of the reasons why I don't like recent shows - the anime style - those stupid big eyed highschool girls.

I personally thought Death Note should have ended half way through. The second half was just a rinse and repeat of the first half to me, which I thought was a shame since it started off so well. Same with Naruto, loved the first arc/series/whatever before fillers and now I'm hoping they all just die a horrible death. -_-;
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Aelms on January 24, 2014, 06:21:30 PM
I'd like to put a bit of challenge to you saying that anime of the recent has gone downhill by pointing you to Chihayafuru, which Desdemondia already mentioned. I believe it to be universally enjoyable to any audience.

No matter what the mainstream series are, there will always be those few hidden gems spread throughout each year proving that high quality anime still exists. NHRV had also helped me keep my sense of enjoyment throughout the years and I hope you will feel the same too.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Kiniest on January 24, 2014, 06:44:04 PM
I'd like to put a bit of challenge to you saying that anime of the recent has gone downhill by pointing you to Chihayafuru, which Desdemondia already mentioned. I believe it to be universally enjoyable to any audience.

No matter what the mainstream series are, there will always be those few hidden gems spread throughout each year proving that high quality anime still exists. NHRV had also helped me keep my sense of enjoyment throughout the years and I hope you will feel the same too.

Absolutely. During 2013, I was able to really get into around 20 of the shows that aired over the course of the year, and each and every one of those shows were completely worth my attention.

If you have the time, you should try following the seasons as they air, you might find some things you like, I found some of my favorite shows by doing that. I find that it's significantly more exciting to discover really great shows as they air, rather than go back and watch what other people have called great. But it can be a bit time consuming.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: AC on January 24, 2014, 07:18:10 PM
I'm okay with violence, in particular I don't mind 'implied violence' but without showing it. It's when the heads and limbs start falling off and being sliced up that I think it unnecessary. I've unintentionally seen some pretty gross stuff, like in Kenshin OVA, but even then, the most powerful cringeworthy scene I can think of is Monster's nail cutting scene. Didn't show it but *shiver*, that was done so, so well. Far out. Why can't people learn to do it this way instead, then I can watch more shows :P
And when you're talking about disturbing fked up, then there better be a good reason for it and not because the show is psychotic and fked up itself. That isn't Shiki right? ...

Ah, then I think it's not violence that rubs you the wrong way; it's about being graphic. And yes, Sword of the Stranger is graphic with the bloodshed. And if you think Monster's nail cutting scene is very cringeworthy, then you should try watching Dr. Ozaki's recorded experiment in episode 14. I'd say it's even more cringeworthy.

And yes, I think the second half of Death Note isn't as good as the first half even though the climax is amazing. It's a mistake to have L being killed prematurely.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 24, 2014, 08:30:17 PM
Idk, having L be killed kinda let Light get cocky and full of hiimself. Which ultimately lead to many mistakes and his downfall. Plus its only 11 episodes without him (as the episode after is a recap) so it's barely even a third of the show without him. I kinda like how L had to lose as well as he let his own stubborness be his downfall (and it played into the ending).

I suppose the live action movies are more to your preference in how the story was handled though.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Shadowmage on January 24, 2014, 10:20:59 PM
Yo, I'm the guy who gave FMA: Brotherhood a 5.

The reason why I was so cold to the show was because it was a rather poor adaptation of one of the greatest manga I have ever read. The ideas, characters and world of FMA hit me hard in both the anime original and manga, but I felt close to nothing while watching Brotherhood. It's almost insulting how that they managed to botch something that should have been a slam dunk.

PS: Game of Thrones doesn't have that much gore, but they have no reverence for corpses (heads on spikes, ritualistic chopped up bodies). Some of the fight scenes and executions are brutal, but there is nothing overly sadistic about it.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: gedata on January 25, 2014, 02:37:32 PM
Yo, I'm the guy who gave FMA: Brotherhood a 5.

The reason why I was so cold to the show was because it was a rather poor adaptation of one of the greatest manga I have ever read. The ideas, characters and world of FMA hit me hard in both the anime original and manga, but I felt close to nothing while watching Brotherhood. It's almost insulting how that they managed to botch something that should have been a slam dunk.

PS: Game of Thrones doesn't have that much gore, but they have no reverence for corpses (heads on spikes, ritualistic chopped up bodies). Some of the fight scenes and executions are brutal, but there is nothing overly sadistic about it.

I got most of your complaints with the series to be honest, but I can't help but feel you've made canyons out of cracks in the grand scheme of things. I just felt that the material itself was so strong that it ultimately shines through the directors misguided decisions. The show was carried into the higher echelons of anime for me simply because of how Arakawa's engaging writing/world-buliding, along with the excellent production values, kept me from noticing the flaws until after the fact. My problem with your review is that it's really too focused on the details of the show's presentation (which I get is important) rather then strength of the content.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Shadowmage on January 25, 2014, 04:48:32 PM
I got most of your complaints with the series to be honest, but I can't help but feel you've made canyons out of cracks in the grand scheme of things. I just felt that the material itself was so strong that it ultimately shines through the directors misguided decisions. The show was carried into the higher echelons of anime for me simply because of how Arakawa's engaging writing/world-buliding, along with the excellent production values, kept me from noticing the flaws until after the fact. My problem with your review is that it's really too focused on the details of the show's presentation (which I get is important) rather then strength of the content.

To be honest, I totally get that mentality.  One of the greatest criticisms of the Gundam franchise that I have no good argument against is the way in which everything is presented is deeply flawed.  However, i still love the shows despite it because the ideas presented resonate with me.

One of the reasons why I don't give Brotherhood the same pass is because there already exists an incarnation that nailed the presentation done a couple years before.  The other reason is the simple fact that watching the show left me kind of apathetic.  There was just nothing for me to emotionally latch onto despite really wanting to.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: imlazee247 on January 25, 2014, 08:05:18 PM
Totally with Shadowmage on that one, I am sure the manga held up better, but original T.V. adaptation for me held much more interesting motifs for the characters to develop for me to get into. That central narrative focused on the main characters internal development as brothers seeking redemption and atonement. I thought it allowed for a more nuanced look at their internal journey as opposed to the large scale world building and global conspiracy that instead would take the focus in the second adaptation. Also the whole motif of the seven deadly sins that were spawned from committing human transmutation was much more poetic/interesting to watch unravel in my opinion. Symbolically, watching the personified affects of our the main characters desires that could never be killed, and were immortally stalking them in the shadows was bitchin'. Although I love the never stop fighting and never give up motif, the shift from the internal conflicts from the T.V. adaptations to the external conflict of a grand evil villain was not as interesting for me to watch, especially when it relied more on shounen logic. Sorry to derail, but I love that Shadowmage gave it a 5. =DDD

Also if you watch Shiki, don't forget to watch the OVAs they kick you right in the feels. It is good stuff.

Also also, regarding the gore, if you can bear through it, it can be hugely rewarding if the story is worth it. Now and then, here and there, isn't as gory, but there are some scenes that destroy me more than gore could ever do because of how the story unravels. But I would never unwatch that series. Your choices on your list will keep you entertained, Planetes is personal favorite of mine.

If you are somewhat of a neurotic shut in, like myself, I also recommend Welcome to the NHK, the Tatami Galaxy, and some Dennou Coil. Interesting stuff.

And check out Millenium Actress, that is a desert island pick hands down.

Then watch Redline. But first do mushrooms, then watch Redline, haha.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 25, 2014, 08:31:14 PM
Well to shadowmages defense. I think if you compare the Nina and Hughes scene from the original to the ones in brotherhood. It's obvious which ones were far better done. Considering they were the most dramatic scenes in the show, it's kind of a big miss that brotherhood had. Actually...any scene that is shared between the two shows is better in the original (Ed vs Greed anyone?). It's too bad the original had the ass-pull ending, otherwise I think it would be seen as a far superior show.

I feel like brotherhood was just in wayyyy too much of a rush to get finished. It's good for an adrenaline rush, but it feels very flat in terms of drama and characterization. Funny because Ed technically developed far more in brotherhood, but something was really off about the way the show handled him.

I agree that the manga was a lot more fun to read though.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Desdemondia on January 25, 2014, 10:12:45 PM
haha I HAVE SEEN IT, MY ONLY COMPLAINT IS I HAVE ONLY SEEN IT ONCE.
Forgiven. whew.
And yes, I actually have been reading the reviews and not just the number! lol but admittedly skimmed through a lot, and also - the images. Kinda like judging a book by its cover, can't help it. If it's in a drawing style that I like or am familiar with, I will probably skim through a review and find important points. And for a drawing style that I'm not accustomed to or don't like, I'll probably read more carefully.
This is probably also one of the reasons why I don't like recent shows - the anime style - those stupid big eyed highschool girls.
Yeah, definitely understand that as I do that myself though gradually been getting out of it as I've largely found that series may be completely different from what it looks like, however, I certainly still have relatively more narrow criteria for art. Like for instance, VN styles of light skimmy and extremely generic pieces of crap featuring the usual highschool girl(s) on the cover.. yeah well hell no. Can't help it.

you should try watching Dr. Ozaki's recorded experiment in episode 14. I'd say it's even more cringeworthy.
Instead of cringeworthy, Ozaki's special was more like..... glorious. Nao's episode was also a masterfully done moment to be remembered.
Death Note undeniably gave off the greatest high ever for some early moments.

In a slightly half-hearted defense, FMAB was satisfying in that it transitioned smoothly and followed a solid basis of logic with the (manga's) plot, resolving ends well. It was also went along with BONES paying attention to details of the animation in each episode. The bits of super deformed and other humor might have been off-putting but in my way of thinking, it seemed more like a juggling with the balance of a range of emotions, accenting by contrasting with the critical climaxes.
FMA on the other hand did not develop as well nor as many of the side characters in comparison to brotherhood; I'm looking at you Marcoh and Hawkeye. Although the characterization and sincere feeling from the drama etc. were definitely deeper when it came to the main characters.. There were also some diversions with side stories that followed the typical face-off against stereotypically power-hungry villains and were pretty much just fillers, albeit half-decently interesting; however in comparison, Brotherhood simply feels so solid from nearly every episode counting. FMA had enough little mishaps in attention to detail and to name a few off the top, Envy's true form suspicious plothole, Archer's rehabilitation, bloodseal's fear of water etc. etc. Mostly the gripes about it might seem comparatively trivial but indeed, as hyperknees said, that ending was a huge ass-pull that was a big WTF to me. I didn't like it. At all.

Now, if FMA never happened and only Brotherhood was the only adaptation of the franchise, would FMAB have really deserved a 5? It seems to me that many judge it almost solely through comparison to the anime-original and though I certainly understand their praises and comparisons, it seems a little, idk, one-sided? Definitely can't deny that for me, fmab was an extremely enjoyable watch though.

Anyhow, in the end, I can only say both are just different and an extremely divisive topic, and with their flaws or well-done aspects which I think, all just come down to what you value more in a show.
Cautiously, a few more excellent shows in my opinion if you haven't seen them yet already which btw are from pretty recent years :P :
-Hyouka
-Psycho-Pass
-Tatami Galaxy- this one I'd be a bit careful with..as really a big read-a-thon/talk-a-thon it took some effort for me to get through, though the payoff at the end was more than enough. Likewise, with Tatami, there's also Katanagatari which is just a big talk-a-thon and whose first episode was imo the worst out of it, but finished nicely. Also Mawaru Penguindrum. Now, I mention all 3 of these in one bullet as I sorta think of them all together as being exhausting to get through and requiring patience, yet great shows, particularly with their wrapping up in the first two.
EDIT: adding Zetsuen no Tempest too
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Post by: Marid King on January 25, 2014, 10:34:48 PM
I have never understood why people praise Penguindrum so much. I forced myself through the whole thing because I was new to anime and read all the glowing reviews, but I never saw the brilliance that everyone says is there.
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Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 26, 2014, 03:19:04 AM
You need more pretentious eyes to watch Penguindrum.

/adjusts fedora
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Post by: Kylaran on January 28, 2014, 12:32:38 PM
Did someone mention pretentious? I've got plenty of that over here where I live.

People already mentioned some excellent shows like Tatami Galaxy, but if you're going to watch Penguindrum I think Utena is a far better -- and more widely acclaimed -- option to watch if you haven't seen it yet.
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Post by: Muds on January 28, 2014, 05:19:39 PM
Now, if FMA never happened and only Brotherhood was the only adaptation of the franchise, would FMAB have really deserved a 5? It seems to me that many judge it almost solely through comparison to the anime-original and though I certainly understand their praises and comparisons, it seems a little, idk, one-sided? Definitely can't deny that for me, fmab was an extremely enjoyable watch though.

I think that's what I'm getting at here, the 5 is coming from a comparison to the first and not so much to all the other anime.

When we talk about the shared episodes, it is very obvious the first anime was better and isn't that also why they rushed it in Brotherhood in the first 15 episodes? If it's already been done, and done so well why would they do it again? But then they can't exactly skip it either because it's part of the storyline. I've always thought that was the intention of Brotherhood, to fast forward everything in the first 15 or 20 episodes until new material came along.
If Brotherhood deserved a low score because of that, then I would suggest giving the original the same because the second half of the anime certainly does not match that of Brotherhood. If that makes any sense.

For anyone who hasn't seen FMA, I would still recommend they go see Brotherhood instead - as a whole, I still think it's better. Music was better in the first series though, that brotherhood theme... dayamn.

I haven't had the chance to check out the list of anime... don't even know where to start, all this gore talk - maybe I should start with Shiki.

I think I gave up on Penguindrum lol
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Post by: Zeitgeist on January 28, 2014, 06:24:08 PM
Music was better in the first series

What? Akira Senju composed the music for Brotherhood.
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Post by: Muds on January 28, 2014, 08:19:05 PM
I don't know who Akira Senju is!! Googled him to find that the only one I know composed by him is FMAB :O Don't get me wrong, it was still good, just... just... I found the first better.
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Post by: Zeitgeist on January 28, 2014, 08:29:39 PM
You don't know who Akira Senju is!?!?!? He composed the music for Red Garden, which is possibly the greatest anime EVAR.

I was just f***ing with you. In all seriousness, the original FMA was scored by Michiru Oshima who is a god in her own right. She has composed music for Zetsuen no Tempest, Sound of the Sky,  Le Chevalier d'Éon, and Tatami Galaaxy. All of which are just of the top of my head.

Edit: Don't forget Xam'd. That literally just came to me as I sent it.
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Post by: KS on January 28, 2014, 11:26:06 PM
You don't know who Akira Senju is!?!?!? He composed the music for Red Garden, which is possibly the greatest anime EVAR.

I was just f***ing with you. In all seriousness, the original FMA was scored by Michiru Oshima who is a god in her own right. She has composed music for Zetsuen no Tempest, Sound of the Sky,  Le Chevalier d'Éon, and Tatami Galaaxy. All of which are just of the top of my head.

Edit: Don't forget Xam'd. That literally just came to me as I sent it.

I've never seen Red Garden but I love the OST.  Senju Akira is my favorite composer though and probably the only one who's soundtracks I collect just for him and not the show though.  There's something about the emotion he's able to pack into a song that I don't think any other composer for anime quite manages, even some that are considered to be the best of the best like Yoko Kanno or Joe Hisaishi.  Interestingly one of the few to come close was Michiru Oshima herself with Zetsuen no Tempest.  The choice to substitute one for the other between FMA series kind of makes sense in that regard as I feel they kind of have a similar style even though Akira's is more refined.
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Post by: Zeitgeist on January 29, 2014, 12:34:24 AM
It's a real shame that the music within anime is often overlooked by much of the fan base. There are so many amazing composers and so many great soundtracks which such variety...Speaking of Variety, shoehorned that in there, Yasuharu Takanashi scored Shiki. On top of Shiki having such a swell soundtrack Takanshi also composed the Celtic awesomeness of Fairy Tail. His score single-handedly made that show watchable for me.

If you like the horror vibes of Shiki Takanashi also composed the score for Jigoku Shoujo.
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Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 29, 2014, 11:45:55 AM
Well, music is often unappreciated because it isn't actively being listened to.  You'll hear fans hoot and holler about OPs and EDs and insert songs, because those have lyrics and you have to kind of pay attention to see if you like it.

Background music is just that; it is designed to be picked up almost subconsciously while the show is doing its thang.  Most people don't REALIZE that the music manipulates them while watching the show, bringing on extra tension, or hope, or romance.  But, by being manipulated, they are actually appreciating the score, just not actively.

BGM is a tricky thing to pull off, and needs not only a good composer, but a good director who knows when to use it.  Sometimes the reverse is true, if the composer is writing music for scenes that have already been shot, then he becomes, essentially, the "director".  It really is an underappreciated process, but it isn't like people don't hear it.  I know lots of people who whistle the Harry Potter theme, for example, and everybody knows the blaring Star Wars music, but fewer people will even recognize the song playing in the background during Aladdin's magic carpet ride escape from the Cave of Wonders or the little ditty playing while Spock and Kirk are talking in Spock's quarters in Wrath of Khan.  That's just the reality of it.
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Post by: Zeitgeist on January 29, 2014, 12:38:15 PM
Never short on Star Trek references

Edit: Since no one had posted since my previous facetious response... Yes "BGM" by there very nature are meant to take a backseat to w/e it is they are accentuating; that doesn't mean they ought  be completely ignored. The internet is a rife with "parodies" which simply remove the BGM of a film/scene in order to highlight the significance of said music. Ultimately, not that I have revelated any points thus far, OST's are very much important. Since the earlier analogy has failed, MUSIC FTW. BLAH various cognitive experiments, music transcends neuro-chemical reasoning and is pretty awesome. Music is just swell.

IDKWTF I just said. Disregard this entire post.
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Post by: hyperknees91 on January 29, 2014, 07:51:00 PM
Some music directors say that BGM should be as subtle as possible so that it blends in with the show and you hardly even notice it. But yeah its mainly suppose to add rather than be the focus. It would be a shame if you did a great scene but all people paid attention to was the awesome music that surrounded it (though props to the music composer if that happens).

Though I do agree that people ignore it too much unless its completely over the top music thats obvious (hence how yuki kajiura got so popular with people). I'm a big fan of anime bgm myself though. Heck one of my favorite soundtracks is probably the most subtle one in anime (mushishi).
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Post by: AC on January 30, 2014, 02:15:38 AM
Above all, I believe that BGM should not take away anything from an anime's story. It is supposed to be complementary, and not one that overwhelms the show. Even if a BGM is good, if overused the effect can backfire and destroys the mood as a result.

But of course, as mentioned, BGM generally doesn't get as much attention as the OP or ED. Why? Possibly because of first impression (to an anime) for the OP, and the lasting impression for the ED: those moments are what people mostly remember for, anyway.
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Post by: gedata on January 30, 2014, 11:10:15 AM
Now, if FMA never happened and only Brotherhood was the only adaptation of the franchise, would FMAB have really deserved a 5? It seems to me that many judge it almost solely through comparison to the anime-original and though I certainly understand their praises and comparisons, it seems a little, idk, one-sided? Definitely can't deny that for me, fmab was an extremely enjoyable watch though.

I think that's what I'm getting at here, the 5 is coming from a comparison to the first and not so much to all the other anime.

When we talk about the shared episodes, it is very obvious the first anime was better and isn't that also why they rushed it in Brotherhood in the first 15 episodes? If it's already been done, and done so well why would they do it again? But then they can't exactly skip it either because it's part of the storyline. I've always thought that was the intention of Brotherhood, to fast forward everything in the first 15 or 20 episodes until new material came along.
If Brotherhood deserved a low score because of that, then I would suggest giving the original the same because the second half of the anime certainly does not match that of Brotherhood. If that makes any sense.

For anyone who hasn't seen FMA, I would still recommend they go see Brotherhood instead - as a whole, I still think it's better.

FMAB should've done what the HxH remake did,  skip the filler, that's it. The original FMA had quite a bit of fluff in the beginning I would have had no problem seeing get cut. Problem here is that it didn't just stop at cutting filler, cutting canon material also happened. I wouldn't have minded sitting through more episodes of repeated stuff if it wasn't executed half-assedly.

Also, why skip the original? Overall there completely different shows. Who knows? Maybe folks would like the original. Watching it after the remake is a bad idea too.
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Post by: hyperknees91 on January 30, 2014, 01:46:34 PM
Actually the HxH remake pretty much shares the same problems as brotherhood, just to a lesser extent. I mean they very much rushed through the first half of that show, and now they have slowed the pacing down considerably because it's unexplored material. The characters and their relationships are much better fleshed out in the original as a consequence. And I know we've talked about BGM here, but it's really odd to see Madhouse deliver such poor music direction with remake (they are usually the best studio at this from my experience). The original might not have had the most memorable soundtrack in the world (though a few songs were cool), it at least felt very well used and generally helped add to scenes.

Hanzo vs Gon for example. Nowhere near as well directed as it was in the original because of blatant censoring and a less mature approach.

The biggest and most famous example is the Kurapika vs Uvogin fight. While the actual animation and "fight" part might be superior in the remake. The directing, tone, and pace is much much better done in the original. (Engaging inner nerd here fair warning). For example take the flashback to his master in the fight. In the original it adds more tension and shows how Kurapika began to fall during his training, and it blends effortlessly into the scene at hand. In the remake it blatantly interrupts the fight and acts as an info dump and nothing else. It tries to make it "cool" as well with music that doesn't even fit the scene at all. Then of course, the pounding on Uvogin. For some reason they tried to make it as big and epic as possible, with completely overdramatic music. They completely missed the point of this scene by doing this. It's not suppose to be "epic", this is suppose to be as much torture for Kurapika as the punishment he's giving him. You're not suppose to feel "Oooh Kurapika's a badass", your suppose to feel his torment. It's funny because they spent an entire episode on this fight rather than the 15 minutes in the original, and I feel like they lost most of the meaning and it just became "another cool shounen fight"

Thankfully they have slowed down with the current episodes and are giving HxH the proper treatment it deserves. Granted I realize some people prefer faster pacing in shounen shows, so it might just be my preference to focus on characters more. And yes I realize I am incredibly biased because I watched the original when it first came out repeatedly. It is nice that at least 2011 is a better adaption than pretty much any shounen adaption regardless of what I said and a few hiccups here and there.
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Post by: Muds on January 30, 2014, 07:11:43 PM
Ohhh I dunno about being ignored, most great anime have very memorable BGM which complement each other very well and something I would listen to on its own. FMAB was one of those that didn't quite get me there, whereas FMA did.
The only anime that I didn't like but had great BGM was Tsubasa Chronicles. I thought it was mega boring but the music, the music! Made it seem all the better for some scenes. What a waste!

Besides Joe Hisaishi for movies, there's also Tenmon :) Very different style but so gooooood.




Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Desdemondia on January 30, 2014, 08:59:29 PM
Ultimately, not that I have revelated any points thus far, OST's are very much important. Since the earlier analogy has failed, MUSIC FTW. BLAH various cognitive experiments, music transcends neuro-chemical reasoning and is pretty awesome. Music is just swell.
IDKWTF I just said. Disregard this entire post.
Now that you have said that, I MUST regard it. While I understand that BGM are just that; background music, OST's have to find the subtle balance between not intruding on what's going on the screen, as well as going along with it, like accompanying and also being composed well enough to be memorable/notable, which is pretty important to me. Without becoming invasive of course. Yep. Music ftw seconded.

Takanshi also composed the Celtic awesomeness of Fairy Tail. His score single-handedly made that show watchable for me.
Fairy Tail? And awesome in the same sentence? Really, in my opinion the Celtic style just sounded kind of.. lame. It wasn't like it was a bad soundtrack but it just struck me as lame. Though that may possibly have to do with the show itself just exuding lame tropes as well. Still. The thing that made it watchable was Rachmaninov's second piano concerto in the background of Erza vs. Jellal and THAT JUST BLEW MY MIND I LOVE THAT CONCERTO TO DEATH AND I PLAYED IT so out of that respect, I put myself through watching Fairy Tail. It's just an amazing amazing piece and so goddamned beautiful, the depth.. everything. Rachmaninov honest to god genius. Even if Tchaikovsky's first piano concerto still beats Rach 2nd. I'm done yes, anyway.. disregard that. All that gushing. 
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Post by: Zeitgeist on January 30, 2014, 10:36:51 PM
With all my talk about music in this thread I must confess...I seldom watch/listen to OPs/EDs. In my earlier years of anime viewing I would anxiously watch both but somewhere along the way I lost that innocence. I can only think of a few off-handedly. The first 2 OPs from the original HxH, "Ohayou" and  "Taiyou Wa Yoru Mo Kagayaku" respectively, are vividly burned into my brain. "My Soul, you Beats!" from Angel Beats I adore. And lastly, the first ending of Monster "For the love of life", that would always creep the hell outta me when I watched that way back when at like 3am and in total darkness.

As for the whole Fairy Tail thing...Yea the show is quite the chore to sit through. One dimensional characters dragging their single gag from scene to scene it definitely grating. But, I enjoy the OST as a stand alone entity, as counter-intuitive as that may be. I honestly don't really remember how well the music actually synced with each scene.

Also I effing love Rachmaninov's Second Piano Concerto.   
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Muds on January 30, 2014, 11:21:59 PM
Also I effing love Rachmaninov's Second Piano Concerto.

Me 3 ;_; And I found this from Nodame Cantabille lol but fell in loveeeeee with it and Rachmaninoff's own version is onmonomnomnomonom.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Desdemondia on January 31, 2014, 12:12:26 AM
It's a damn beautiful thing to see anime getting classical out to audiences like this in masterpieces like Nodame Cantabile.

But pls. Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No. 1 is still the greatest of all time even over Rach 2nd. Competed last weekend with it and won over someone else playing Rach 2nd and I can't recommend listening to this piece more. This piece is virtually what makes up the reputation of the famous International Tchaikovsky Competition in Moscow. A shame they didn't use it in the anime series though I heard it might be in the live action series.

yeah.

As most people do, OP/EDs are usually watched on the first episode and at least on the last for me personally. Unless of course it has enough charm to stop me from fast-forwarding. But if you mean you go through a series without listening to either at all throughout the show, that's kinda surprising. As for FT, it's just so dumb and repetitive even in comparison with the other bloated series.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Muds on February 02, 2014, 08:55:34 PM
I'll go and listen to Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No. 1 :)

I started with Michiko to Hatchin... I think I went from episode 1 to about 14 in no time. It reminds me of Black Lagoon, probably because of the setting but I gotta say, whilst I was interested and liked it at first, I got completely bored by ep 14. I'm not very good with series with single story episodes that don't really advance the story or characters much and that's what I'm seeing so far.

And another - because of Akage no Anne, I went ahead and read the book first. Anne of Green Gables has got to be the happiest, sweetest book I have ever read. My god.
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Post by: Kaikyaku on February 02, 2014, 09:53:40 PM
And another - because of Akage no Anne, I went ahead and read the book first. Anne of Green Gables has got to be the happiest, sweetest book I have ever read. My god.
This makes me very happy :D
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Post by: zzeroparticle on February 02, 2014, 11:59:31 PM
But pls. Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No. 1 is still the greatest of all time even over Rach 2nd.
You fiend.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Desdemondia on February 03, 2014, 02:33:37 AM
You fiend.
It takes one to know one ;D

I'll go and listen to Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No. 1 :)
This makes me very happy tooo

I started with Michiko to Hatchin... I think I went from episode 1 to about 14 in no time.
but I gotta say, whilst I was interested and liked it at first, I got completely bored by ep 14.
Yeah, I think it looked more interesting than it turned out in the end and while I had considered suggesting it, overall it just didn't seem to quite make the cut. Overall, I liked it but my impression from the show after completion is both lack of tension and resolution or really going somewhere with the plot/story, (I mean come on, nothing reminiscent of sailing off steep cliffs in a motorcycle together off into the sunset?) though yes, the character relationships were well-done and development too which I guess was the story's aim, etc. I'd say you have quite a few more-exciting and solid titles to cover that are on your list though
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Post by: zzeroparticle on February 03, 2014, 01:41:13 PM
Well, in the interest of not being too flippant, my favorite piano concertos, in order:
1. Rachmaninov 2
2. Beethoven 5
3. Tchaikovsky 1
4. Rachmaninov 3 (that should sign off my Rachmaninov fanboy credentials)
5. Grieg 1(?)

More honorable mentions that are too many to list.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Muds on February 03, 2014, 04:56:24 PM
I'd say you have quite a few more-exciting and solid titles to cover that are on your list though

Good to know!! I skipped and watched the last ep of Michiko and hatchin... Yeah..... I guess I'm glad I didn't bother going through the whole lot.

Well, in the interest of not being too flippant, my favorite piano concertos, in order:
1. Rachmaninov 2
2. Beethoven 5
3. Tchaikovsky 1
4. Rachmaninov 3 (that should sign off my Rachmaninov fanboy credentials)
5. Grieg 1(?)

 :'( I listened to Tchaikovsky and then Beethoven (well I'm still in the middle of listening to Beethoven) and :O :O :O :O :O .... I think my list will be a bit more like yours.
*shivers*

I assume you have all seen Piano no Mori then :)

... just realised they played beethoven 5 in nodame too :P
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Post by: Desdemondia on February 03, 2014, 05:57:13 PM
Tchaikovsky 1st, with quite possibly the single most famous octave passage in piano repertoire. Truly to die for.

Speaking of which, you're killing me; this list was heartbreaking. (For now, somewhat in order)

1. Tchaikovsky No. 1
2. Liszt No. 1
3. Rachmaninov No. 2
4. Beethoven No. 5
5. Prokofiev No. 2 or No. 3, mostly for its 3rd movement
6. Schumann A minor, or Grieg's A minor, (both were their only concertos) or Saint Saens No. 2

Got a taste for the russian style and tend to favor the very romantic, virtuosic pieces and, well, clearly a real hardcore Tchaikovsky fangirl. As for Prokofiev, it's a shame many adamantly refuse to listen to his pieces which seem raw and dissonant unfortunately serving as a turn-off, missing out on the underlying melodies that I've come to appreciate now.
I assume you have all seen Piano no Mori then :)
Actually...
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Post by: Muds on February 03, 2014, 07:50:04 PM
Actually...

:o DO IT OMG DO IT O_O
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Desdemondia on February 03, 2014, 10:57:34 PM
Actually...
:o DO IT OMG DO IT O_O
Now my turn for a rec; on it haha.
Title: Re: A thank you and hello
Post by: Kylaran on February 06, 2014, 10:33:15 AM
Piano no Mori manga is absolutely fantastic. In fact, there's lots of really good music manga that's actually about music.

People would be surprised at how amazing Beck is.
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Post by: hyperknees91 on February 06, 2014, 12:32:32 PM
I never finished Beck (had like 15 chapters to go ironically). I think it was a series that just kinda burned out. Very solid first half, but I just didn't hold much interest in the second half (after that big summer band festival). It had some nice ideas though.

Will have to check out piano no mori though. My favorite music manga is of course NANA though...if that counts.
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Post by: Desdemondia on February 07, 2014, 01:50:14 PM
Had my eye on Mori and Beck before but...
Was rather.. disillusioned with classical music animes when I first saw La Corda D'oro Primo Passo in my early days and was excited that it was music-themed... little did I know.. reverse harems. Downright demeaning.

Must have become developed some kind of aversion to seeing and becoming infuriated at these shows, as not everybody's a Nodame Cantabile. (One of the most endearing qualities to it was excellently accurate portrayal of the piano school setting) And as for Nana, well, that's another music title that I'm aware of, yet never came to watching. So, should maybe get around to overcoming this apprehension towards all this.

The problem with manga is of course.. y'know. sound.
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Post by: Muds on February 10, 2014, 08:35:42 PM
Piano no mori is more along the lines of nodame and not la corda, oh god hell no.

But yeah, I'm reading piano no mori manga atm too, very very good! Continues from the movie :)

I started reading Deadman wonderland, thought that was pretty interesting and then lost interest almost immediately as well. *shrug*

p.s. piano no mori got me playing or TRYING to play Mozart K310 ^^
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Post by: Desdemondia on February 13, 2014, 08:43:54 PM
Yeah, **** you La corda.

I wasn't exactly gushing over the Michiko ending, but I'm not sure about how you like skipping around on whim. Seems kinda like a luxury to me, as for many of the great series around like with Penguindrum, Katanagatari, Stein's Gate, Tatami, FLCL, or even Bebop, I'd have to put in some real effort to stick with it and watch it through, even with it all being good stuff. Also, usually don't consider dropping unless it's terribad or something, and usually never consider skipping at all. Guess that's just yo style. 8)

Mozart K310 <3

Anyway, well, because of y'all, I'll definitely get around to watching Beck, Piano no Mori, etc. ;D
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Post by: Muds on March 04, 2014, 03:17:45 PM
haha I don't normally skip, at least back in the day, I never did. Now? No time man! If it's not something I care about then yeah I'm more than happy to skip, in fact, I think that's the first time I did skip.

I tried Planetes... watched about 3 episodes and don't see where it's going. Does this get any better?

Watched Wolf Children though and wow! How did I miss this movie. I loved it, so bitter sweet. Like it better than Summer something for sure aaaaaand maybe, probably even more than Girl who leapt through time.
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Post by: Pebble on March 04, 2014, 06:14:43 PM
I tried Planetes... watched about 3 episodes and don't see where it's going. Does this get any better?.

It does; Planetes can reach incredible, incredible highs, but you have to accept that it's willing to take it's sweet time getting there. The hijinks you see right now go somewhere, but you won't start getting the payoffs until maybe the final two fifths.
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Post by: thesprinkle42 on March 04, 2014, 06:59:33 PM
I'd recommend not just stopping with the tens and nines, but going as far down as seven. Hell, try out some sixes, too. If something catches your fancy, check it out. Don't let someone else's rating keep you from trying something. Not that I'm implying it is, with you, but there are so many good shows out there that you can justify checking out anything.

I am always, always willing to give recommendations and take recommendations from an interested anime fan, but there will always be some things I disagree with.

1. Anime really hasn't gotten that bad in the last few years. You may have different sorts of tropes that infest the medium now, but it's not like it's any worse or better than it was before. When I think of the nineties, the only three titles that instantly come to mind are Lain, Escaflowne, and Evangelion. When I think of 2007 and 2006, tons of titles come to mind. The years 2011, 2012, and 2013 all have titles that I will instantly name by their mentioning. Maybe you just haven't been interested enough to look into these years, which is fine, but I would go much deeper into an argument than that against any claim that anime has weakened recently.

2. These guys rate in their own way. I can tell you that 6 certainly isn't a bad rating. 5 isn't even a bad rating. So, certainly expand your interests past just the shows that were given 9 and 10.

And that's about it for my little... aside... whatever thing.

Nice to meet you.
nineties anime and no Berserk? Huh.
Well, in the interest of not being too flippant, my favorite piano concertos, in order:
1. Rachmaninov 2
2. Beethoven 5
3. Tchaikovsky 1
4. Rachmaninov 3 (that should sign off my Rachmaninov fanboy credentials)
5. Grieg 1(?)

More honorable mentions that are too many to list.

You make me think of the Air II segment from EOE and now I'm all depressed.
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Post by: Desdemondia on March 04, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
haha I don't normally skip, at least back in the day, I never did. Now? No time man!
I tried Planetes... watched about 3 episodes and don't see where it's going. Does this get any better?
Watched Wolf Children though and wow! How did I miss this movie. I loved it, so bitter sweet.

Yeah, for me I still try to tough it out and finish it lol. Someday.
Anyway well, Planetes is slow and is focused around building up the humanly characters and their relationships which is the best part probably. This takes time so not sure if it's the best choice for ya, still it's simply amazingly heartfelt and worthwhile.
Getting a feel for your criteria for stuff that sorta delivers earlier so in that case then, stuff like Katanagatari, Tatami Galaxy, Penguindrum and Haibane Renmei, Mushishi, (the former group = amazingly solid but not much without their end wrap-ups, and the latter group = slow, relaxing) might not be what you're looking for but still, I still say try them out especially Mushishi. Also, if you like bittersweet stuff, Urobuchi's stuff is best as well as some others, so revised list for bittersweet and actiony and or attention-grabbing:
-Phantom Requiem for the Phantom, [Steins;Gate should still be at around the top of your list lol along with Chihayafuru]
-Puella Magi Madoka Magica
-Psycho Pass
-Hyouka
-Zetsuen No Tempest
If you manage to go through even the slower ones though, you'll be greatly rewarded as I think they're all worthwhile to finish.