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Title: Kill La Kill
Post by: thanosmat on October 03, 2013, 10:44:27 AM
EP 1

The first episode was intense, hot-blooded fast paced action, a lot of sakuga animation and cartoon visuals. It's the kind of episode that reminds me of an original anime (not adaptations) can do and why I prefer them. Acting is extremely over the top (Jojo style).
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on October 03, 2013, 12:16:51 PM
1:
It was one thing after another with this episode. I kind of want them to slow down (And is that uniform really necessary?), but I am still intrigued by what I saw. Just needs to tone down the style a little bit and give me a reason to care for some of the characters later on and we have ourselves the next Gurren Lagann.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Thot on October 03, 2013, 12:27:17 PM
1:

I feel it's lacking a few slower-paced moments. Hope they'll correct that in the following episodes.
Leaving that aside I can see this being great.

Also, for all of the FEED ME BLOOD thing, we got very little of that after she put the uniform on. I mean I don't expect this to have guts flying through the air or anything, but if you introduce the premise of a weapon or armor that feeds on blood, I expect the results to be a little more visceral than this.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on October 03, 2013, 01:53:24 PM
01:

Oh God the fascist referencing. It's so frickin awesome. Still, I care more about the antagonists right now than I do about the protagonists, which is strange, for lack of a better word.
The action does get a little too stupid for it's own good though.
And is that uniform really necessary?
Nope. But it is nice and polygonal, where it exists.

Anyway somebody really needs to start counting off the fascism references. I see Chancellor Hitler, The adapted slogans of the Party from 1984, and... pretty much the whole setting. There's probably more, but it's two in the morning and I need sleep.

I really need to watch TTGL.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: thanosmat on October 03, 2013, 02:01:54 PM
Hulk and Asgardian Destroyer (Thor enemy) toys appeared very quickly in one scene.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on October 03, 2013, 02:52:07 PM
1: Oh my god! I love this! No disappointment, at all!

Well, a little bit, but it's really overshadowed by the absolute insanity of the series, and I freaking love that. This show is FLCL insane, which means Fumoffu's probably not going to be very into this show, at all, but, anyone's who's seen my list knows Gurren Lagann is one of my favorite shows of all time, and this episode goes to show that the original creators still have it. It understands how batshit insane it is, and it bathes in its insanity. This show is even more over the top than Gurren Lagann was at times.

However, I have a problem, that being the animation. The animation at times seems to be pretty slow and unimpressive, left for the fight scenes near the end of an episode. Sometimes, the animation is extremely weak, despite it being developed by Trigger. Or, most likely, because it was developed by Trigger. They only have so much of a budget, given that they're just now starting out as a company. I'm hoping, though, that this will be a two cour affair, nonetheless. That would make the fast pacing worth it. Gurren Lagann also had extremely fast pacing, but that's what made the series work. When Gurren Lagann slowed down during the second half of the series near the end, it didn't work out as much as the first half did. The first episodes in Gurren Lagann were a bit generic, sure, but as it went on, it got amazing, and its fast pacing helped that, a lot. However, this episode was just a BIT too fast paced. Unlike Gurren Lagann, this show seems like its trying to fit into a particular timeframe.

Nonetheless, this show is incredible. I can't wait for more. Looking forward to my possible anime of the year.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Shadowmage on October 03, 2013, 07:29:35 PM
1

Always happy to see more Gurren Lagann-esque shows.  It looks like the show is going to be a nonstop rush to the final boss, but that's actually just what I want from my shounen action.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on October 03, 2013, 08:05:43 PM
1:

I'm laughing so hard, great show and charming MC.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Reckoner on October 03, 2013, 09:01:14 PM
1:

That was ****nig bananas.

Looks like we got another contender for AOTY in the making.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on October 03, 2013, 09:56:12 PM
1:

Well now. This is really something else. I don't know where the hell it's going, but this ride will be nuts.

On another note, oh god all those voices. I swear I heard Tsubasa from Kare Kano, and sure enough, she's there.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AH on October 03, 2013, 11:22:28 PM
1:

Great fun. I don't think this is nearly as unpredictable nor as original as some claim it is, but more of the Gurren Lagann spirit in my anime is a good thing.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: XRavsterX on October 04, 2013, 05:24:53 AM
1:

That was ****nig bananas.

Looks like we got another contender for AOTY in the making.

It's been one episode - hold your horses.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Garuda on October 04, 2013, 06:56:10 AM
1

It was a good first episode. There were some references to totalitarian regimes or dystopian works, and as we expected, we can find that crazy / cartoonish style again. However, the pace was perhaps a little too high, I agree that a few slower-paced moments would be rewarding for the show.

After that, it's too early to talk about something better than Gurren Lagann (I doubt Kill la Kill will be better, but why not) or as the best anime of the year, which is for me Shinsekai Yori by far.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on October 04, 2013, 09:45:06 AM
1:

And thus courage was remembered that good day.....
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Fumoffu!! on October 04, 2013, 10:10:43 AM
1:

Well that was fairly tame.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on October 04, 2013, 03:58:42 PM
1:

Well that was fairly tame.

Is that sarcasm I hear?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on October 04, 2013, 04:46:19 PM
These comments remind me of the responses to episode 1 of Jojo haha

I shall be watching this soon.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Fumoffu!! on October 04, 2013, 05:07:45 PM
1:

Well that was fairly tame.

Is that sarcasm I hear?

No, I was being totally serious.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 04, 2013, 08:30:34 PM
1:

What the hell happened to my brain.  It was in my head just a second ago.  At least I think it was.  Or I would think it was, if my brain was still in my head.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on October 04, 2013, 11:39:13 PM
1:

So this is what happens when TTGL meets PSG... and Quentin Tarantino.

Nah, although TTGL and PSG impressed right from the onset, I'm afraid this one doesn't strike enough impression as much. It's just too fast and haphazard. Everything was happening way too fast and it didn't really take necessary time to set everything into perspective first. TTGL and PSG did both of that despite the fast pace.

I can see where this is going: it will go with the Villain of the Week trope and then we have a showdown between Matoi and Satsuki. Yeah, pretty straightforward just like the show intends to be so it's all about the WTF-ness. Let's just see how WTF it's going to be.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: FuurinKazan on October 05, 2013, 09:35:58 AM
1.

Well damn. That was so ridiculously fast-paced that I found myself thinking "Wait, that was just half of the episode?" at the halfway mark. And I thought that pacing worked really well here. This is awesome.

That said, I'm jumping on the slower-paced bandwagon as well, since I think it would get "tiring" if it kept that pace up.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on October 08, 2013, 11:21:54 PM
1:

I got a little behind due to some prior engagements, so I finally worked my way back to this series.

I quite liked it.  But it was break-neck speed.  That'll be hard to keep up for the entire series. 

Oh, and I really liked the 1970s Toei monster-sized titles.   I wonder if it's going to play a little more like Enter The Dragon, where it's "climbing" the tower that becomes part of the narrative. 

Great voice work too.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on October 10, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
2:
Okay. I love this show's sense of humor. Mako was less annoying (and actually funny) and the whole family dinner had me in stitches. And this show is a perfect example of using your limited budget right, rivaled only by Yozakura.

And Kiryuin Satsuki is pretty damn awesome.

EDIT: Does need to lay off on the fanservice though.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Shadowmage on October 10, 2013, 07:24:27 PM
2

I'm actually not sure what my reaction to this show is aside from amusement at the visuals.  It's strange that something so schizophrenic has managed to come into existence.  Gurren Lagann was a straightforward super robot anime with some great feats of animation, I'm not sure what Kill la Kill is.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on October 10, 2013, 08:08:47 PM
2

I'm actually not sure what my reaction to this show is aside from amusement at the visuals.  It's strange that something so schizophrenic has managed to come into existence.  Gurren Lagann was a straightforward super robot anime with some great feats of animation, I'm not sure what Kill la Kill is.

When I think Schizophrenic this season I think more Kyokai no Kanata.  This definitely knows very much what it is.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on October 10, 2013, 09:17:52 PM
2:

This show is much less exciting than I expected. Apart from the specific details of the fight, I saw everything that happened in this episode coming a mile away.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: thanosmat on October 11, 2013, 03:56:35 AM
The preview for the next episode show this is not "monster of the week" structure.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Fumoffu!! on October 11, 2013, 03:58:46 AM
Fairly entertaining, but ultimately forgettable if not for the animation.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on October 11, 2013, 06:21:20 AM
Okay, Mako's family is reminding me of something really specific, but I can't quite place it.  I feels like it's derived from Doraemon, to be honest.  But there's something hyper familiar that isn't just TTGL or P&S.

Granted, a whole lot of Imiashi's FLCL work is coming out here.  Right down to the suit transformation.   Now we just need a flying TV and we're all good.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 11, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
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Okay, Mako's family is reminding me of something really specific, but I can't quite place it

Looks awfully Go Negai'sh too.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on October 11, 2013, 07:05:35 PM
Fairly entertaining, but ultimately forgettable if not for the animation.

I feel that's because it's just started. It might start getting a bit more interesting as it goes along.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on October 11, 2013, 09:39:01 PM
2:

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Underwater_KILL_la_KILL_-_02_720p_C0DDB47Fmkv_snapshot_0919_20131012_122824.jpg)

Keep it up, dogs.

I wouldn't make any comparisons between this and TTGL. TTGL was a show in its own league: both shows have the same "WTF over-the-top action" delivery style, but they're essentially different. TTGL carries a empathic message about believing in yourself and standing up to oppression. Kill la Kill, however, is not only about standing up to oppressions, but is also about revenge. Maybe TTGL was better because it had a wonderful musical score because of Iwasaki Taku and the presentation was grander, but in the end, I won't compare the 2. Plus, Hiroyuki Sawano ain't half-bad with the music, either.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ImperialX on October 12, 2013, 02:30:01 AM
Maybe TTGL was better because it had a wonderful musical score because of Iwasaki Taku and the presentation was grander, but in the end, I won't compare the 2.

But the thing is, TTGL wasn't really anything "grand" after two episodes either. I really didn't think TTGL got very exciting until episode 8.

I agree the music had a huge impact on how good TTGL was in terms of viewer experience though.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on October 12, 2013, 03:57:24 AM
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Okay, Mako's family is reminding me of something really specific, but I can't quite place it

Looks awfully Go Negai'sh too.

I think you got it.  There's a lot of Cutey Honey in Ryuuko & a lot of Shin Marzinger Z aspects to "Senketsu".  Plus just general Go Nagai DNA in the characters. 

If this *is* Imiashi's send up to Go Nagai, this shit could get really crazy, really fast.  I just hope it doesn't go all Devilman on us.


One other point: the Goku suits likely are "made of humans", given some of the OP/ED and visual hints, but I think it's actually made of their "red strings of fate".  Which could send this in all sorts of weird places.  (It also explains the Scissors bit, as the scissors are then the tool of the Ancient Greek Goddess of Fate)   We'll see.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on October 12, 2013, 09:30:28 AM
2:

You know this series could really pull a screwball on us and get to the final boss before anyone else, which would kind of compensate for the show's lack of momentum. Yep; this has energy in spades, but very little momentum. Matoi is actually a rather weak character, but Satsuki being all around badass could elevate her character above "shounen lead cranked upto 27" if we get a little more interaction between them, or if the interaction was less one-sided.

Also, the Nazi referencing has hit a low, but we did get a clever line on Japanese school uniforms.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: FuurinKazan on October 12, 2013, 10:02:36 AM
2.

Not as fun as the 1st episode, but that's probably because ep 1 took me by surprise with its energy. The pacing seems to be a bit more balanced in this episode, and Mako's antics are still pretty amusing.

But the thing is, TTGL wasn't really anything "grand" after two episodes either. I really didn't think TTGL got very exciting until episode 8.

Same here. Hell, I didn't even like TTGL that much before episode 8. It's definitely too early to judge this show.

One other point: the Goku suits likely are "made of humans", given some of the OP/ED and visual hints, but I think it's actually made of their "red strings of fate".  Which could send this in all sorts of weird places.  (It also explains the Scissors bit, as the scissors are then the tool of the Ancient Greek Goddess of Fate)   We'll see.

Damn, this makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on October 12, 2013, 10:33:09 AM
We should probably remember this is staff that worked on most of Gainax's famous works post-NGE.  These are the people the cemented the "Gainax Ending" as not just being the "NGE ending". 

I don't trust the storyline to go in "one direction" until the final episode has concluded.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on October 12, 2013, 11:49:57 AM
2:

Satsuki is sort of stealing the show for me at this point along with Ira in the first episode and his manful speeches.  I love that she literally has a shining aura of presence and authority that she uses to overwhelm the fighting spirit of others and impose her law and how her subordinates are basically fanboys.  Then she follows it up with a spot of tea and just watches the chaos unfold.  Style, presence, class, honor and the authority and skillz to back it up and yet Ryuko is still going to race to the top in order to challenge her.  Gutsy stuff all around.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on October 12, 2013, 12:41:05 PM
We should probably remember this is staff that worked on most of Gainax's famous works post-NGE.  These are the people the cemented the "Gainax Ending" as not just being the "NGE ending". 

I don't trust the storyline to go in "one direction" until the final episode has concluded.

The gainax ending will be the real conclusion of panty and stocking.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on October 12, 2013, 12:56:20 PM
2:

Satsuki is sort of stealing the show for me at this point

Agreed. It's not like the show isn't working with the other characters, but she clearly has a presence compared to everyone else. Well, of course she'd have one considering her position.

I'll give the rest of the show time to catch up. It's certainly entertaining enough.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on October 12, 2013, 07:58:58 PM
But the thing is, TTGL wasn't really anything "grand" after two episodes either. I really didn't think TTGL got very exciting until episode 8.

I agree the music had a huge impact on how good TTGL was in terms of viewer experience though.
Well, that's true.

It's actually a general pattern: in 2-cour shows like TTGL, there's bound to be low points here and there, especially after the first episode. This low point thing can also be seen in 1-cour series as well, and it's the same for PSG when there was a very low point towards the middle of the series. But I think TTGL is still a grand series overall; not consistent but something different nevertheless.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on October 13, 2013, 08:27:05 AM
Oh yeah, apparently this is going to be 24 episodes and ep 3 is "all hands on deck" for staff.  Which probably does mean we get a Satsuki vs Ryuuko fight, like the preview suggests.   It also means this series has a bunch of twists & turns left. 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on October 17, 2013, 03:12:42 PM
3:
I really like that there was a fight between Kiryuin Satsuki and Ryuko, because it prevented this show from being to repetitive for the time being, even if it is going to go back to beat up the students next episode.

This is the last time I'll say it, because repeating it every episode is annoying, but tone down the fanservice based humor. It isn't funny. Other than that the comedy works, especially with Mako who starts her speech with a hallelujah chorus in the background.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AH on October 17, 2013, 03:25:19 PM
3:

I was impressed by the battle sequence. Trigger can definitely score high in this regard, as expected of the Gurren Lagann creative team.

But no, this episode didn't have a deconstruction of fanservice or anything. Just some teasing and shamelessly incorporating the skimpy clothes into the plot.

Aside from that, I'm happy to see the story isn't afraid to introduce a few interesting hints, even if it's going to remain episodic for a while longer.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Fumoffu!! on October 17, 2013, 03:58:15 PM
3:

Yeh, that was an entertaining watch, however even so.... meh.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on October 17, 2013, 05:44:49 PM
3: Until we get some heavier plot twists this show is gonna be kinda like a fireworks display. Even then it might not change much, but I'm hoping gainax will be insane and make it happen.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Shadowmage on October 17, 2013, 07:32:35 PM
3

This show has some really weird pacing.  It's as if the creators are making a 6 episode OVA as opposed to a full length tv series.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 18, 2013, 12:24:58 AM
3:

I know this is saying something considering what we've seen so far but... that escalated quickly.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Cadavera on October 18, 2013, 03:57:18 PM
The animation is cringe worthy and the fanservice is outrageous, but I'm enjoying this show more than anything else I'm watching this season. I like to think Satsuki's speech involving embarrassment and breasts is a shout out to the Aim For The Top OVAs.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: pryose on October 18, 2013, 06:25:15 PM
My fave anime of the season so far
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on October 18, 2013, 10:06:42 PM
3:

I know it's been mentioned before, but this show's giving me straight-up Nagai vibes. It's serious and goofy. Seriously goofy. And fast, too.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on October 19, 2013, 12:22:02 AM
3:  I can't even describe how much The Lady Satsuki Kiryuin (feels like that should be written in rainbow font but oh well) is like my favorite type of female anime character.  It's like the character in it's entire conception was made to grab my undivided attention if they're going to do a show focusing around mostly female characters and it's so appreciated.  There's no holding back with her or Ryuko, it's just pure gar.  This whole show really is like the opposite end of the spectrum from most shows in the last 5 years that have had a predominantly female cast and by the looks of it the trend is going to continue albeit probably not to this extreme.  Also in a shocking twist the sort of moeblob is actually funny and the show as whole definitely has it's own quirky fast paced blink and you miss it sharpness to it's humor that draws on more than just droll manzai style comedy.  I'm pretty well okay with this. 

Anyway I get what the poster above means about Go Nagai as it definitely has the vibe of a Mazinger or Getter Robo story with just the non-stop shouting, exhibitionism and of course questionable outfits.  I'm honestly wondering if this might even be a sort of tribute piece.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on October 19, 2013, 09:15:39 PM
3:

Pacing aside, that was awesome.

Now usually, I would expect the students to be charging straight at Matoi instead of needing Satsuki to declare that first. A huge twist should be around the middle of the series, not the 3rd episode. Thus, I wonder why the need to introduce something this huge so early... is there a plot twist later on?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Shadowmage on October 20, 2013, 07:11:15 PM
A huge twist should be around the middle of the series, not the 3rd episode. Thus, I wonder why the need to introduce something this huge so early... is there a plot twist later on?

I'm betting that we'll have Ryuko and Satsuki teaming up to fight some great evil of the universe by episode six.  They'll be off to fight the great evils of the n-th dimension by episode twelve.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on October 20, 2013, 07:16:52 PM
A huge twist should be around the middle of the series, not the 3rd episode. Thus, I wonder why the need to introduce something this huge so early... is there a plot twist later on?

I'm betting that we'll have Ryuko and Satsuki teaming up to fight some great evil of the universe by episode six.  They'll be off to fight the great evils of the n-th dimension by episode twelve.

Well, there is always time-skip possibilities. 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on October 21, 2013, 05:19:05 AM
03:

Sweet mother of spectacle...

Nevertheless, I'd rather the story moved outside Honnouji Academy instead of being confined to it. At the rate this show has been rushing forwards, I'm actually quite confident that it will happen at some point, but still, since we haven't gotten exposition on the setting yet, nothing feels like it really, really matters, even though Honnouji academy just went through hell. And no, I don't include that stuff about conquering other schools; that's just repeating stuff we already know, and gives me nothing to bounce off or think about. Kill la Kill has spectacle, but it's lacking scale right now.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on October 21, 2013, 05:44:21 AM
A huge twist should be around the middle of the series, not the 3rd episode. Thus, I wonder why the need to introduce something this huge so early... is there a plot twist later on?

I'm betting that we'll have Ryuko and Satsuki teaming up to fight some great evil of the universe by episode six.  They'll be off to fight the great evils of the n-th dimension by episode twelve.
Like how Simon and Dayakka teamed up to fight the non-humans? Oh, on which show have I seen that...
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on October 21, 2013, 06:04:08 AM
I suspect that by the time this show finishes I will know every third plot twist in TTGL.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on October 21, 2013, 08:13:53 AM
Like how Simon and Dayakka teamed up to fight the non-humans? Oh, on which show have I seen that...
Don't you mean Simon and Viral?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on October 22, 2013, 05:10:11 AM
Yeah, that's right, him.

I wonder who Dayakka is...
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on October 22, 2013, 06:21:21 AM
Yeah, that's right, him.

I wonder who Dayakka is...

He was the head of the first village Simon and Kamina ended up in after escaping the underground.

Continue for Gurren Lagann Spoilers:
He ended up marrying one of Kittan's three sisters.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Garuda on October 24, 2013, 03:04:08 PM
4

Best episode so far. It might be not relevant for the main plot, but it's the one I enjoyed the most. I really felt the work behind the "WTF" and the cheapness, a true creativity or artistic value, with some good scenes. I especially loved the big kanjis on screen like "Total disrespect", when they were calling the roll on the roof with the girl's commentaries, and the Bach / Chopin / Strauss II inserts. It also seems to me that the luxurious cable car was fake Chanel haha.

I don't know if it's me, but it looks like they showed us everything during Ryuko's transformation...
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on October 24, 2013, 03:05:24 PM
4:

Just what the doctor ordered. Honest, mad fun with no brakes and tons of WTF. Kill la Kill is getting better and better.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on October 24, 2013, 03:46:53 PM
4:
What can i say? Kill la Kill continues to entertain. And it mixed things up a little but with this episode too. The only thing really pulling this down is the crappy fanservice humor.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 25, 2013, 12:45:26 AM
4:

Okay, so... was this the episode where they make up the deficit in the budget blown by last week's episode, or is this the former Gainax crew knowing full well this is how Gainax used to do things in the past and they're just trolling our asses?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on October 25, 2013, 01:38:09 AM
4:

Okay, so... was this the episode where they make up the deficit in the budget blown by last week's episode, or is this the former Gainax crew knowing full well this is how Gainax used to do things in the past and they're just trolling our asses?

They made TTGL ep 4 (or was it 3?) lower quality by *intention*, fully aware they were doing it just to cheese the fans.

Don't put it past Imiashi.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on October 25, 2013, 11:58:58 AM
4:

Okay, so... was this the episode where they make up the deficit in the budget blown by last week's episode, or is this the former Gainax crew knowing full well this is how Gainax used to do things in the past and they're just trolling our asses?

Likely both. It didn't even seem that off to me because I expect it from Gainax at this point. Which is fine with me.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on October 25, 2013, 12:02:54 PM
4:

Man this show makes me nostalgic for the time when random all around comedy (centered around a theme of course) ruled the roost in anime before Japan decided that the way to go was manzai style comedy and otaku in jokes for anything and everything.  This shows missing one of it's main characters and arguably my favorite so far and I don't think a single character was on model at any point yet it was still great thinks to having that manic quick punch comedic style.  I mean this show is funnier and more entertaining than most anime that bill themselves as outright comedies and with a fraction of the budget too.  It's almost like Imaishi is trying to indirectly tell us something (and I don't mean the obvious that the system is rigged to deliberately keep the no-stars downtrodden and with no hope of ever climbing the social ladder the Kiryuin family has set up in this city) and I hope it sinks in by the end.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Bayumu on October 25, 2013, 04:49:22 PM
4:

I really enjoyed the music for this episode.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on October 25, 2013, 08:32:15 PM
4:

I'm so glad to watch it in the morning after having a cup of coffee. Best decision I've ever made.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on October 31, 2013, 03:52:55 PM
5:
This was probably the best episode yet, which also showed that Kill la Kill won't be an "Enemy of the week" show as I feared.

Also Jakuzure is being played by Shintani "Haruhara Haruka" Mayumi. Though she has a distinctive enough voice that you might be able to tell.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on November 01, 2013, 06:29:09 PM
5:

Man, what a nice entertaining episode. Tsumugu's introduction brought in some interesting material to go over, and friendship moments are nice.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on November 02, 2013, 07:35:16 PM
4-5

Bit late on watching these but I actually enjoyed these 2 the most so far. Yeah they don't have as crazy a budget but 4 was incredibly funny and 5 actually felt properly paced for once. Plus we finally got revealed an actual badass rather than all the mooks who have been full of themselves so far (not that I mind).

Though I do hope the plot won't get toooo convoluted.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Fumoffu!! on November 02, 2013, 08:01:50 PM
I just found out that this will be 25 episodes.

Why?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on November 02, 2013, 09:24:33 PM
I just found out that this will be 25 episodes.

Why?

Because Imiashi got most of the TTGL staff together and the production committee was able to find a lot of backing.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on November 02, 2013, 09:47:29 PM
I just found out that this will be 25 episodes.

Why?
It's actually been confirmed for two cours for quite a while now. The only question was how many episode it would be. So 25 huh?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Fumoffu!! on November 03, 2013, 04:07:39 AM
Well, regardless of how long it's been confirmed for I only just found out.

My question though is "why does Kill la Kill require two cours?"
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on November 03, 2013, 04:19:06 AM
So that it can veer off into the most unpredictable direction every episode for 20 episodes.

5:

What? No veering? 19 episodes then.

As for what we did get... it was okay. It doesn't seem to be doing anything groundbreaking or even doing something non-groundbreaking in a groundbreakingly awesome way. Lots of style, and I imagine we'll get some substance now that Nudist Beach has popped up and will start moving pieces around, but for now there doesn't seem to be much. Or at least much that isn't utterly retarded.

Yes. I went there. This show is retarded. Good retarded doesn't make it any less retarded, and any themes I was expecting will probably be either about the "culture of shame" stuff Go Nagai was all about, or will be superficially linked to the story. So, yeah. It'll take me a while to start warming up to why everything is the way it is.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on November 03, 2013, 05:28:40 AM
5:

Wow, that was kinda underwhelming.

Or maybe, the word here is 'slow-paced'. Seeing as how this would be a 2-cour series, this is expected: I can't imagine how it would be if something like episode 4  were to go one for the rest of the episodes. So with that, I can kinda tell that this series is suffering some pacing issues.

Also, you know, there was that one part where Matoi and Tsumugu were talking in the toilet and it felt serious for a moment. And then, Mako came and broke the tension into pieces. Seeing as how Mako is the resident tension breaker, I don't understand why the writers threw her into that moment; I was actually digging that serious moment. Mako's good only when there's nothing serious going on.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on November 03, 2013, 03:57:44 PM
5:

I don't know I though this was great.  I'm just enjoying this show for the ride right now and if it takes me unexpected and defining places then great.  If not it's solid awesome fun as it is.  I don't know maybe I'm just that in sync with what this show has attempted to bring to the table so far and feel it's been far to long since there was a TV anime lik Kill la Kill, but sometimes I feel its alright for a show to just be a fun spectacle to watch and I don't expect every show to change the world for me in order to enjoy it, though it's nice when it does.  I appreciate that the show is getting a requisite manly gar character interjection of late.  I mean Ryuko and Satsuki are pretty hot blooded but that doesn't mean that there can't be manly men as well.  Plus he brings with him a bit of exposition which is always welcome in my book.

Well, regardless of how long it's been confirmed for I only just found out.

My question though is "why does Kill la Kill require two cours?"

And my question would be why doesn't it?  Until we get to that point neither question is easy to answer though.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Fumoffu!! on November 03, 2013, 05:21:55 PM
True enough, but I fear that Kill la Kill lacks the appeal to go the distance of one cour, let alone two, but then it might actually grow on me.

Plus it always seemed to me like a that this would be a one cour show. I felt like it had the whole one cour feel, especially considering how fast the pacing is.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on November 03, 2013, 05:34:27 PM
I felt like this had a two cour feel. Honestly, there's a lot more going on behind the seams than one's preconception might lead them to believe. For one, there's the history behind Satsuki's ambition, the state of the world, and a lot of other shit going on that needs explanation. Kill la Kill isn't the kind of show that can compact all of its cards into 12 episodes like Madoka, so I thought it was obvious it was going to be a two-cour show.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on November 03, 2013, 06:23:17 PM
I'll be surprised if any of that is worthwhile. Don't get me wrong I love the show, it's really entertaining but I'm not holding my breath for any plot based stuff. Though kudos for them if they can prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on November 03, 2013, 06:25:10 PM
I'll be surprised if any of that is worthwhile. Don't get me wrong I love the show, it's really entertaining but I'm not holding my breath for any plot based stuff. Though kudos for them if they can prove me wrong.

To be quite honest, if Kill la Kill is just random bullshit for the next 2 seasons and doesn't pull any cards whatsoever, it would be a lot more surprising.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Shadowmage on November 03, 2013, 09:42:44 PM
5

This anime feels like one massive experiment in animation.  Each episode could be its own thing unrelated to everything else.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on November 06, 2013, 11:13:27 PM
6:
How strange? First Coppelion comes out early (Not that I'm watching that crap), now its Kill la Kill.

Anyway, another pretty good episode that continues to flesh things out some more. Mako episode next week. I expect laughter and Hallelujah choruses.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on November 07, 2013, 12:22:24 AM
6:

WHERE IS THE KYOUSOGIGA PRECIOUS, WHERE ISSSSS ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Oh well, I guess KLK is fine... brb

I think the blushing Ryuko does whenever the fanservice is on is a stroke of genius. It's one way they show she's a typical, even sensible person, but the fact that she powers through her embarrassment without so much a stutter lets her 'hardcore badass' persona shine as well. It's also an effective contrast to Satsuki's unnatural, cold-blooded harshness.

And the fanservice itself was glorious. I'm not gay, but I can imagine that chest did it's job for whatever tiny female audience is left. Then it started flashing neon pink in tune with the camera shunting back and forth, and I burst out laughing and thought to myself, " this director does not give a single **** ." Good fanservice shouldn't be the end for which the plot is the means, it should be a tool, just like it's being used here.

Oh and the fighting was nice I guess.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on November 07, 2013, 07:51:23 PM
6:

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Underwater_KILL_la_KILL_-_06_720p_7E816CC0mkv_snapshot_0104_20131108_104817.jpg)

DOSE NIPPLES, MY EYES, THEY BURN

I was wondering how one of the Big Four Devas can be defeated so prematurely but the ending settles it. Quite a solid episode.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Shadowmage on November 07, 2013, 08:42:07 PM
6

So, they plan on having a henshin sequence for everyone with 3 stars and above.   This should be interesting.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on November 08, 2013, 06:33:22 PM
6: Fastest villain character development ever.

He sure kicked her *** way more than Satsuki did even without a Kamui.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on November 08, 2013, 11:01:31 PM
6:

That new headpiece looks kind of cool. I was kind of hoping there'd be a counter to Sanageyama's new technique this episode, though I guess having him lose twice in one episode would be rather cruel.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on November 14, 2013, 12:35:32 PM
7:
That was also very good. Mako never ceases to amuse me. And neither does Kiryuin Satsuki. Always one step ahead of the game.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on November 14, 2013, 01:43:20 PM
7:

This is one kind of episode I'm always happy to watch; how less fortunate people handle sudden gains. Watching the characters go on power trips is always heartbreaking for me, and watching others keep their heads makes me love their character. And the big reunion at the end is always heartwarming, if bittersweet. It's such an easy story to make enjoyable and impactful I'd almost call using it cheating.

In this case, Kill la Kill put an extra layer on things by having Kiryuin consciously orchestrate the whole thing, and in turn revealing a huge key to her worldview. I actually feel the Kiryuin is the most original character I've seen since Shinobu Wakamiya in Chihayafuru S2. She is an ice queen, but the chill isn't present in her outward appearance and mannerisms, it's in her heart and mind. This allows her to be as loud and bombastic as Ryuko, while still being her polar opposite.   
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on November 15, 2013, 12:05:20 AM
7:

Trigger really knows how to play stuff out from so many different angles and have it all work out.  And right as I was wondering what Satsuki was smiling about... man.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on November 15, 2013, 07:32:31 AM
7:

Let me make it clear that this is one of my favorite shows this season. However, there are a lot of misses in this series for me. Episode 6 was a hit, this one was a slight miss.

My problem with this episode is that it was quite a bit like a cartoon that rose a major issue within one episode and ended it within the episode. I know that's the point, but because it went so fast, even for Kill la Kill, the situation seemed a bit contrivant. Particularly, how easily Mako yelling at her family caused them to change their minds about living. It really felt like a cartoon aimed at children during that moment. You'd see this kind of stuff on crap you'd watch on TV all the time when you were younger. Kill la Kill, while being over the top and zany most of the time, is not at all a kids' show. That's one of the things that generally bothers me about Kill la Kill. It takes "zany" far enough to seem like a kids' show, every now and then. Zaniness is great, but contrivance is not. A show can embrace tropes all it wants, but if it's going to take it to a point where it doesn't work, it doesn't work. I liked Gurren Lagann so much because it had just enough balance between its development and ridiculousness, while never taking itself too seriously. When it did take itself seriously, it always worked.

But this episode wasn't too bad. Satsuki and Matoi's chemistry baffles me enough to enjoy this episode, and Satsuki's prescence alone is enough to make me enjoy this episode. The two characters go incredibly well together, to the point where I'd have to say Matoi would be quite a bit less interesting if not for her interactions with Satsuki, and Satsuki would be a little less enthralling if not for her reactions towards Matoi. Mako's not a bad character, but this episode didn't do any good for her. The focus is one-hundred percent on Satsuki and Matoi, for me, right now. The only thing really going for Matoi is her relationship to Senketsu and her previous lack of family. I like the idea of having Matoi learn what it's like to have a family through interactions with Mako's family members, however, unlike Nagisa's family in Clannad, the interactions between Matoi and Mako's family are too slight for it to tug at me in any way. This is why I wish the development for the other characters in Mako's family weren't so slight and nonexistent.

Looking back at what I just typed, holy **** , I need to work on the way I convey my opinion. What a cluster****.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on November 15, 2013, 10:21:14 AM
Yeah I'll have to agree with you there. I feel like that's the main weakness of this show, is it's not willing to take itself seriously when the show needs to take itself seriously (episode 6 was the first episode to do this really so I have hope).

My guess is the first season wants to be a little more light-hearted and then it'll make a switch at some point and take itself more seriously from then on. Just a guess but it's possible they want to focus on the "fun" in the first season before diving into the deeper plot. If that doesn't happen consider me disappointed but I'll still love the show probably.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AH on November 15, 2013, 09:09:01 PM
7:

Pretty episodic but fun. I don't have any huge "anime-saving" expectations for this series so that's okay for me.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on November 15, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
I kind of get where you're going with that kids show feeling it goes with sometimes, but I think that's part of its charm. Frankly, I like it more that they can go that zany and still have that mix of funny and serious moments. It's strangely nostalgic in its own way, and I think it's nice to have something like this after episodes like 6.

Besides, there's more to the episode than the zany Mankanshoku jump up the social ladder. I mean, it's obviously making some points about how the social ladder drives them apart, but it also shows a bit of Matoi's loneliness and past with her father.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on November 18, 2013, 01:26:56 AM
7:

It feels like a filler episode, but if you think about it, it's still related to the main plot of Kiryuuin's iron-fisted resolution behind oppressing the academy. And it's also enjoyable, so I approve how this episode presented itself.

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Underwater_KILL_la_KILL_-_07_720p_5B5C3690mkv_snapshot_1314_20131118_162509.jpg)

AND MA BITCHES YO

Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on November 21, 2013, 08:11:29 PM
8:
Ryuuko... Gonna be a Pokemon Champion.

Though I am sort of confused. How did Gamagoori's flashabck tie with him being a Hard M?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 21, 2013, 11:40:31 PM
That's the genius of it, MCAL.  It doesn't... get it now?  You'll get it in time.

8:

So... dad had one eye... Senketsu has one eye...

Also, I know it's Kill-La-Kill, but... where did he get that swank 1950's car "brand new"?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AH on November 22, 2013, 08:08:38 PM
8:

Still fun, but too much of a tease with that obvious cliffhanger there.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on November 22, 2013, 09:00:52 PM
8:

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/UnderwaterKILLlaKILL-08720pF1CEE4AFmkv_snapshot_0027_20131123_1158292.jpg)

What's the difference between Natural Selection and Naturals Election? INGENIOUS.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on November 25, 2013, 06:53:54 AM
So... I've been plowing through that backlog, and watching Attack on Titan has really put into perspective how little I'm enjoying the action scenes in this show. The choreography here is good, but not nearly good enough to make up for the complete lack of momentum and consequence in anything this show is doing. Its frantic to the point of not being intense or spectacular or, well, anything. It's frantic for franticness's sake, and I'm not seeing why that is a good thing.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on November 25, 2013, 09:10:48 AM
So... I've been plowing through that backlog, and watching Attack on Titan has really put into perspective how little I'm enjoying the action scenes in this show. The choreography here is good, but not nearly good enough to make up for the complete lack of momentum and consequence in anything this show is doing. Its frantic to the point of not being intense or spectacular or, well, anything. It's frantic for franticness's sake, and I'm not seeing why that is a good thing.
Methinks Pebble is looking way too much into the technical aspects. Kill LA Kill isn't great for choreography or animation, it's just great because it takes a bunch of tropes and ramps them up to eleven for  the hell of it. If you don't enjoy that much, you probably won't enjoy this show at all.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on November 25, 2013, 11:40:15 AM
So... I've been plowing through that backlog, and watching Attack on Titan has really put into perspective how little I'm enjoying the action scenes in this show. The choreography here is good, but not nearly good enough to make up for the complete lack of momentum and consequence in anything this show is doing. Its frantic to the point of not being intense or spectacular or, well, anything. It's frantic for franticness's sake, and I'm not seeing why that is a good thing.

The shows fight choreography definitely seemed to peak with episode 3 no doubt.  I think its the sign of Triggers limited budget showing.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on November 25, 2013, 12:14:14 PM
Well attack on titan's immersion comes due to the tension you get from the fights. Kill la Kill's immersion comes from how rediculous it can be haha (so far for me the spinning wolverine bamboo sword drill takes the cake). But yeah I guarantee later episodes they'll lose all their budget again.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on November 25, 2013, 12:44:13 PM
Honestly the choreography can go to the dumps, and I'd still love this show.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 25, 2013, 04:28:32 PM
So... I've been plowing through that backlog, and watching Attack on Titan has really put into perspective how little I'm enjoying the action scenes in this show. The choreography here is good, but not nearly good enough to make up for the complete lack of momentum and consequence in anything this show is doing. Its frantic to the point of not being intense or spectacular or, well, anything. It's frantic for franticness's sake, and I'm not seeing why that is a good thing.

It is fun.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on November 25, 2013, 05:41:28 PM
8:

It is fun.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on November 27, 2013, 01:15:54 AM
8:  Lot of epic and hammy back story this time.  I especially liked Screaming Gamagoori and Satsuki basically still being Satsuki 3 years ago.  Reinhardian levels of ambition going on here.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on November 27, 2013, 07:46:56 AM
8:

I don't know, it seems to me that Ryuko's backstory this episode doesn't stick very well with the sense of indebtedness to her father that we got in episode 1. Back then, when Ryuko says "I'm sorry, father", the show seemed to have been trying to imply that Ryuko was on her quest for her father, but here we ah f*** it. I'm hoping for a sudden major character death next episode.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: pryose on November 28, 2013, 10:22:29 PM
9:

Wow, just wow.

One of the few animes which I actually look forward to in the week.

Go Matoi!!!!
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on November 29, 2013, 07:48:14 PM
9:

I'm curious: we're already down to a tournament between Matoi and all the devas before the final showdown between her and Kiryuuin... and we're currently only on episode 9 out of 25. Where is this show going from here? The tournament isn't going be up to the end of the series, now is it?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on November 29, 2013, 07:58:29 PM
Tournament arc will end the first cour (most multi-cour series that's true).  Second cour will be whatever it is they have planned next, most likely wherever the Nudist Beach story arc goes.

A series like this would get approved for 1 cour (as its original), and we're seeing all of that play out.  However, as it was extended early in the design/writing phase (more than likely), they incorporated aspects that will go further.   This is still a Trigger show, which means they don't have Gainax money to throw around.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on November 30, 2013, 01:11:25 AM
I believe that Kill La Kill has alluded enough in this section, so that the 2nd part of the season will have a good amount of substance in it.  Nudist Beach is still a mystery, why is everyone so afraid of what Matoi will become, and lastly whats up with Kiryuin's parents?  All things they've touched on, but have left vague (I hope that's intentional).
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on November 30, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
I definitely think it will proven that the real meat of the show will be in the second half and the first half is mainly a zany setup for Triggers animators and Imaishi to be a little experimental.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on November 30, 2013, 11:30:03 PM
9:
Nothing really to talk about this episode. Just that Satsuki continues to be awesome and that there is definitely more than meets the eye with Sensei. And Ryuuko... Well to be honest she's kind of boring. Why couldn't Mako be the MC?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on November 30, 2013, 11:47:35 PM
9:
Nothing really to talk about this episode. Just that Satsuki continues to be awesome and that there is definitely more than meets the eye with Sensei. And Ryuuko... Well to be honest she's kind of boring. Why couldn't Mako be the MC?

I think Ryuko seems the least interesting cause so far she's kind of just the familiar spunky shonen action lead of the show, which in contrast to Mako the rather amusing comic relief and Satsuki the larger than life superwoman she just feels well....kind of limited.  I think her best scene was probably the previous episode with the flashback to meeting her father and we finally learned a little bit more about what motivates her.  Anyway I'd sooner take Satsuki as the MC cause I think it'd make the show more like LOGH on crack somehow.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on December 01, 2013, 12:25:07 AM
9:

Not much to say here that hasn't already been said. Chances are that we'll get an episode for each student council member and then the lead-in episode for the second half.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on December 03, 2013, 04:43:50 AM
9:

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/fu3ox.jpg)

WTF IMAISHI

It kind of sucks that Gamagoori's tentacles don't seem to do much damage. It's consistent with the way Ryuko's HP is always at ? ? ?, the way it is in old-school RPGs, and it adds it's own weird breed of momentum to the fights, but it would work better if the whips did enough cumulative damage. On the plus side, it did feel nice how Gamagoori in scourge-mode felt unapproachable, and how he made the terrain feel restricted.

Ryuko doesn't really have a distinctive fighting-style right now, which is a shame, because she doesn't really need a special attack that only works in specific conditions as much as she needs some smartly directed animation. I mean, she has a bloody 7-foot long sword, and some ridiculous linear speed, so I really don't understand why Imaishi isn't having her dance with the bloody thing instead of making her a simple, graceless smash-smash-smash fighter.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on December 04, 2013, 09:59:53 AM
Ryuko doesn't really have a distinctive fighting-style right now, which is a shame, because she doesn't really need a special attack that only works in specific conditions as much as she needs some smartly directed animation. I mean, she has a bloody 7-foot long sword, and some ridiculous linear speed, so I really don't understand why Imaishi isn't having her dance with the bloody thing instead of making her a simple, graceless smash-smash-smash fighter.

Probably because she has no grace?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on December 05, 2013, 05:49:59 PM
10:
Kill la Kill continues to show that it isn't going the completely predictable route. What seemed like a monster of the week formula is turned on its head with the short battle against Inumuta. Something tells me Jakuzure is going to be my favorite. Some nice facial expressions and a show stealing performance by Shintani. And it looks like Tsumugu is coming back soon. And a new character too. Another member of Nudist Beach?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on December 05, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag59/desdemondia/IDK53_zps1801fa6f.png)

I WANNA BE.. the very best.. like no one ever was...

10:

Rather weak asspull with Inumuta's hurried fight (giant spatula, really).. but yeah evolution. Right.

Clearly looking at Nudist Beach's side in all this and who the real baddies are now. But then again we're only about halfway through and introducing a new character so this show could go anywhere.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on December 06, 2013, 02:26:12 PM
Is anyone else getting kind of tired of that don't lose your way song playing all the damn time for every climatic moment?  I have to admit I don't even particularly like that track much since its of the grinding loud side of Sawano that has been coming out since Guilty Crown and Attack on Titan that I'm not a fan of.  In general I found the vocal insert songs he backs up kind of unwelcome in general to say the likes of that piano song and the kind of traditional Japanese sounding one the show uses for flashbacks of Ryuko and Satsuki respectively.

I love the guy for Unicorn but right now I think he's being overexposed in a huge way and its clearly impacting his ability to be creative musically.  Composer's don't thrive when being asked to churn out multiple high profile soundtracks a year, they need time to experiment and let their style grow and change with experience and the times.  I hate to say this but I'm kind of growing tired of Sawano lately and don't want that unpleasant grindy vocal fronted sound to overtake what I think is his stronger suit in piano and orchestral work.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on December 06, 2013, 09:48:18 PM
10:

Inumuta's fight ended way too prematurely. Inumuta's forfeit makes sense, although I'm not sure how this affects the plot (what's difference between forfeiting and losing when they both yield the same result?)
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on December 07, 2013, 11:07:57 AM
10:

Inumuta's fight ended way too prematurely. Inumuta's forfeit makes sense, although I'm not sure how this affects the plot (what's difference between forfeiting and losing when they both yield the same result?)

well forfeiting made sure that he at least didn't get stripped buck-naked
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 07, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
I think he was afraid that destroying his 3 star suit would destroy the data he gathered, and not just the stuff on Ryuko, but all of his data.  This is a high quality outfit, so we have to assume it has enormous processing power.  Anyway, if she destroys it, it is like dumping a laptop in a lake.  But if he forfeits, he can download the information to a new system before handing it back to... whomever they turn in the uniform to (Satsuki, I would presume).

He's a nerd.  Winning and losing aren't as important as simply having an impact.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on December 07, 2013, 05:47:06 PM
10:

Inumuta throwing the fight doesn't seem too bad, if not a little disappointing. But still, he deals in information, not in brawn, and he seemed to foreshadow Senketsu's fast evolution if the Nudist Beach stuff wasn't enough.

Speaking of which, I'm curious to see how they go about finishing this new fight AND introduce another character who's with god knows who.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on December 08, 2013, 11:17:33 PM
10:

I figured Inumuta would have had a higher attack stat for someone who relies so heavily on evasion and stealth. He is an evasion sweeper after all; being an evasion tank is kind of a weird strategy if you have so little health to fall back on. The Nonononon battle was great and goddammit where is that next episode?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on December 12, 2013, 01:37:58 PM
11:  I'm going to complain a bit about the audio side of this show this week.  This would probably get me hanged just about anywhere else, but does anyone find the soundtrack for this show kind of bad?  Like I normally love Hiroyuki Sawano, but these German/Wailing vocal tracks and that awful grindy sound to them continues to feel....unwelcome in this show and from him in general.  It's really just kind of unpleasant and noisy to listen to half the time and often clashes with the show itself making me almost think Sawano was a last second decision on the part of the producers or something.....like I remember it being announced pretty late into the shows promotional phase that he was doing the soundtrack.

Anyway at this rate I'm envisioning the soundtrack coming out and there being like 5 actual different songs in it too the way it's used for the show.  I think the show would have honestly been way better off with a different composer cause it's just so clear to me the guy has been overburdened and overexposed of late and needs time to experiment on his own before returning to the scene.  Like something just doesn't fit with Sawano here.  It's probably a good thing Gundam Unicorn is wrapping up with this last episode too cause I'm finding his new sounds since then kind of awful and probably one more volume for that show would ruin the streak of otherwise great BGM music as it'd probably just end up all shitty vocalized stuff.  It shows in just how much has been asked of the guy when he releases 3 soundtracks for that show and it goes from 24 to 18 to just 13 tracks with the third one and 3 of them are just piano versions of Volume 1 tracks.

Just an example of how much this guy is phoning it in right now, here's the tracklist for this shows soundtrack and I swear to god I haven't made any changes or ****ed around with this, it's copied verbatim from cdjapan.co.jp:

Tracklisting

1.    Before my body is dry    BEFORE MY BODY IS DRY
2.    goriLLA蛇L    GORILLAJAL
3.    犬Kあ3L    INUKA3L
4.    Blumenkranz    BLUMENKRANZ
5.    AdラLib    ADLALIB
6.    鬼龍G@キLL    KIRYUG@KILL
7.    KILL7la切ル    KILL7LAKILL
8.    Suck your blood    SUCK YOUR BLOOD
9.    Kiっ9=KELL    KIXTU9=KELL
10.    k1ll◎iLL    K1LLWAILL
11.    Light your heart up    LIGHT YOUR HEART UP
12.    昼裸lilL♪    HILL LA LILL
13.    斬LLLア生LL    KILL LA KILL
14.    キ龍ha着LL    KIRYU HA KILL
15.    I want to know    I WANT TO KNOW
16.    寝LLna聴9    NELLNAKI9
17.    Kiる厭KiLL    KILLAKILL
18.    Till I Die    TILL I DIE
Anyway we have our obligatory Nia/Nono character now and it looks like the plot is FINALLY going to start moving.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on December 12, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
11:
If the end of the Nonon fight didn't feel so deus ex machina like (Tunning using the Kamui? WTF?!), I would have ranked this episode pretty highly.

My guess is Rui isn't the real killer. My bets are on Ragyou and Rui is simlply taking the blame for her and to get Ryuko fighting at full power.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on December 12, 2013, 08:09:43 PM
Already getting a feel for what the second half of the series will be like.  Matoi vs. The Rainbow Corporation.  They just dumped a whole new bunch of the Kill La Kill universe right now and I'm a little confused...But, Ryuko is going into rage mode and that has gotta be a fun episode.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 13, 2013, 06:02:11 PM
Matoi vs. Rainbow Corporation?  No no no...

Matoi AND Satsuki-sama vs. Rainbow Corporation.  What do you think all of this is about?  Starting her own empire?  Finding the strongest fighters?  Testing Matoi at every turn?  She's trying to find someone strong enough to take down her own mother, or at least help her accomplish that.

There will be blood (sucking)!  There will be lesbian overtones!  There might even be yuri scenes!  I can't wait!

BTW, I predict that Senketsu is about to make an exit.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on December 13, 2013, 08:39:27 PM
11:

OOOOH, the stakes are up to the next level.

As how many people have anticipated (and how I've somewhat suspected), the plot may have been about Satsuki and Ryuuko fighting against a bigger evil. Nothing has ever been revealed about Satsuki's family; in fact, the story has always shrouded her family background. Same goes for the Nudist Beach: we don't even know anything about it.

You know how I feel sorry for the most? Sanageyama. He just got side-stepped.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on December 13, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
11:  I'm going to complain a bit about the audio side of this show this week.  This would probably get me hanged just about anywhere else, but does anyone find the soundtrack for this show kind of bad?  Like I normally love Hiroyuki Sawano, but these German/Wailing vocal tracks and that awful grindy sound to them continues to feel....unwelcome in this show and from him in general.  It's really just kind of unpleasant and noisy to listen to half the time and often clashes with the show itself

They do repeatedly reuse tracks, seeming to dedicate them to a character or type of scene and just recycle them over and over whenever the scene/character appears, and while it's a bit overdone to the point that we would notice it pretty obviously,  I think it's more important to actually remember some tracks from a series. The OSTs of some series are just way too forgettable with nothing special, though yes you could always say that if they kept plugging their tracks every five minutes we would remember them. With the 'noisiness' I think so as well.. except that pretty much most modern music seems noisy in some way or the other to me. Jakuzure's taste in music is impeccable though :) more classical BGM please.

Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 13, 2013, 10:13:24 PM
4chan user pointed this out, but now I can't ignore it.  Notice how Mama Kiryuin has rainbow colored hair on the underside of her do?  Notice how Matoi's is red when she is in full Senketsu mode?  Has anybody noticed if Satsuki's does this?

Also, **** me but Yukari Tamura does great unassuming psychopaths.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on December 13, 2013, 10:51:43 PM
4chan user pointed this out, but now I can't ignore it.  Notice how Mama Kiryuin has rainbow colored hair on the underside of her do?  Notice how Matoi's is red when she is in full Senketsu mode?  Has anybody noticed if Satsuki's does this?

Also, **** me but Yukari Tamura does great unassuming psychopaths.

Sometimes, with Yukarin, you wonder if she's actually acting those types... :) 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on December 14, 2013, 11:39:31 AM
11:

And with this, the scope of the world is widening. I couldn't help but notice how insignificant the academy feels now that we're starting to go more into rainbows and nudists.

You know how I feel sorry for the most? Sanageyama. He just got side-stepped.

At least he managed to "beat" Matoi once. And hey, anybody could have been ripped apart and side-stepped like that if they were in his position. He just has to hope he lost his eyes for something.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on December 15, 2013, 07:05:06 AM
11:

Nigh all complaints addressed. Way to go, Kill la Kill. Encore.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on December 19, 2013, 10:34:25 PM
12:
"People die when they are killed by blood loss!" A fact of life. Mako provides such good moments.

So I was wrong and Nui is actually the murderer. Though I still think something is off. I kin of hoped the end of the first cour would flip the whole story around, but we'll see how this goes.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on December 19, 2013, 11:20:49 PM
My god does this raise so many questions.  Figuring this is the end of an Arc, I'm gonna lay it all out there

1. Still hasn't explained the exact reasoning of the assassination of Grand Pappy Matoi
2. I assume Kiryuin is playing the long-game, with like...Inception levels of depth
3. BERZERKER MODE. Happened before (I guess) which is why Nudist Beach is freaking out
4. Why is the stolen scissor some kind of purple color when it was shown as red in the flashback

*Rarely does an anime get my blood boiling when a single character is on screen, but By God do I despise Harime.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on December 20, 2013, 12:55:18 AM
12:

Pretty standard fare. The only things that got my attention was Mako's wacky rescue and Kiryuin doing her thing.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 20, 2013, 03:07:50 AM
12:

Do make sure to see the brief scene after the credits.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AH on December 20, 2013, 10:46:22 AM
12:

Somehow, I expected the fight to have more lasting consequences, but I guess all the exposition did provide nice information. 

Still, the better animated parts were pretty good. Mako continues to be Mako, which is always a good thing.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on December 21, 2013, 10:13:47 PM
12:

Well, I think, after all the overwhelmingly epic battle at the halfway point of the series, the next thing in order would be a cool-off episode.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on December 23, 2013, 02:16:45 AM
12:

What TIF said.

I like what appears to be the story setup from here on in. Satsuki's war will be glorious. And it's great how quiet her Kamui is. That could be it's personality, or it could be that Senketsu is special. I'd prefer the former.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on December 23, 2013, 09:24:39 AM
No one can hear her kamui but Satsuki, just like with senketsu.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on December 23, 2013, 09:37:03 PM
12:

Road trip? Road trip.

And that Junketsu stuff does interest me, considering Satsuki seems to be largely composed and silent when she doesn't need to talk. Maybe she's just ignoring what he/she says. Or maybe Senketsu's the special one here.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on December 24, 2013, 03:51:06 PM
I know I've complained about it already, but having caught up now I can safely say this show has to contain what is easily Hiroyuki Sawanos worst soundtrack ever.  Like not only is it not even really good, I legitimately find most of the tracks in the show grating to listen to at this point and it concerns me.  Some of it barely qualifies as music so much as noise to me and I swear can be classified as dubstep.  It's just awful aside from that one piano track used in flashbacks and may actually be hurting my enjoyment of the show.  If this is what he was going to turn out, popular and historically good or not I would have gone with somebody else.

Seriously can't stress enough how much I dislike this soundtrack, it barely fits with the scene have the time and if I have to hear that grating Don't Lose Your Way song one more bloody time for an "epic scene" I'm probably going to start skipping them as it's beyond unwelcome now. >:(

On a more positive note I appreciate that Satsuki was giving her little speeches as far back as Kindergarten.  Hell Satsuki probably burst out of the womb with a frown and some iron willed speech while her hair flapped in the wind and the light of heaven shone down upon her, she's just that intense about everything.  Also it was nice to get some classical music in there during Jyakazure's fight to replace the usual drowning of the background music so I'm grateful for whoever's idea that was.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on December 24, 2013, 04:11:34 PM
I guess he's just not the man for over the top/eccentric stuff. I kinda feel the same way about the AOT guy.

Has he ever done something like this before? I've only heard his unicorn soundtrack.

Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 24, 2013, 05:59:51 PM
Relative newcomer:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=55432

Two years younger than I am, and making entire scores for anime.  Can't say I'm not impressed.

As far as Kill-la-Kill's music goes, I actually like most of it, and disagree it doesn't fit the scenes half the time.  Then again, I would have to sit down and actually listen to every piece without someone on screen mucking it up with dialogue or sound effects.  I know I adore Mako's little diddy while she's performing some of her Insane Troll Logic miming actions, and find Satsuki-sama's blaring horns theme to be appropriately bombastic for her character, so it isn't all bad.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on December 24, 2013, 06:38:49 PM
I guess he's just not the man for over the top/eccentric stuff. I kinda feel the same way about the AOT guy.

Has he ever done something like this before? I've only heard his unicorn soundtrack.

Its that producers keep trying to toss him into stuff that they want to be popular and "epic" similar to how Yuki Kajiura seems to get used nowadays except similar to her he's clearly been phoning it in of late.  Still popular name so of course its going to be praised anyway.  I can almost guarantee Aniplex is responsible for ruining the guy since they are all about tossing popular names at other popular names without any regard for whether they actually work well together and then you get shit like Guilty Crown which coincidentally Sawano also did the music for and where I first started to notice a change in his composition style for the worse.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on December 24, 2013, 07:05:35 PM
Oh so he was the guy who did AOT's music...didn't even know that, now it makes sense.

I'll agree he seems to make music kind of a jumbled mess. I think he did a better job with Sengoku Basara personally. Sure it had some strange tracks too but it had lots of cool tracks that really worked.

Perhaps he's trying to fuse too many genres into one.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on December 24, 2013, 07:34:01 PM
Oh so he was the guy who did AOT's music...didn't even know that, now it makes sense.

I'll agree he seems to make music kind of a jumbled mess. I think he did a better job with Sengoku Basara personally. Sure it had some strange tracks too but it had lots of cool tracks that really worked.

Perhaps he's trying to fuse too many genres into one.

Well apparently Aniplex is trying to market it in the U.S which explains a lot about why it kind of reminds me of dub step and why it's so much louder and grindy than most of his older stuff.  I have a feeling he didn't have as much say in the composition of the tracks this time around.  They probably figured people will go for that more because it sounds epic and loud and oh so cool with those German lyrics and they're sadly probably right.

The thing is he didn't always sound like this, here's a couple of samples from his work on Gundam Unicorn which I'm hard pressed to believe even came from the same composer at this point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycF7G_Y7KXU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MAtwGwSQ74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd4ZYrtfmCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnaC0RgEPCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7L6kWqxW4

Okay to be fair you can sort of hear a bit of his current grindy wubby sound in these, particularly with Mobile Armor, but it feels far more muted, under control and again less loud and grindy.  The parts that should be towards the background of the music are more toward the background and the parts that use real instruments are more in the foreground of the sound profile which IMO works far better for trying to create that tense "epic" sound.  Lastly the last track illustrates I think that he always liked to use German lyrics in his song, but again it just sounds less unpleasant and grindy and more like something I could see a traditional German's boy choir belting out rather than a Japanese singer of questionable talent belting something out.  Comparing that to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg99PfId0so&list=PLjN-BtbxXXMq47hzgfiFYuNr5z0ViiHgj&index=4) from Kill la Kill it's like night and day in terms of complexity of the composition and vocal ability of the singer.  The difference between a person standing in command of an orchestra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA1pEXaNmBg&list=PL20723EBC4D18E193) and somebody just throwing something together with a computer and some sampling in what couldn't have been much longer than 15 minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8HDaXQtkKA&list=PLjN-BtbxXXMq47hzgfiFYuNr5z0ViiHgj).  Just very amateur and a sign of clear regression on Sawano's part.

Incidentally I know grindy is a hard term to wrap ones head around but I have no other way to describe that sound of his of late that sounds like music being mashed up against other music that doesn't seem to blend well.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on December 24, 2013, 07:45:27 PM
Yeah unicorn is a great soundtrack. And like you said it's ok to use wub sounds to some extent as long as it's subtle (same with anything really). Yeah it's certainly grindy, it definitely doesn't sound smooth at all. It's like if you put Rap and chorus music together...it would just be silly.

Funny how many people say AOT had a great soundtrack, because it was loud and used chorus? And had engrish lyrics in a bunch of songs (Ok I'll admit, I do actually like some engrish songs but not the ones from AOT)? Compare AOT's attempt at being epic to Escaflowne's soundtrack and you'll see a world of difference. Makes me sad when stuff like the Kenshin OVA soundtrack was never very recognized.

Perhaps they should have gotten the code geass composer instead for kill la kill.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on December 24, 2013, 07:58:14 PM
Yeah unicorn is a great soundtrack. And like you said it's ok to use wub sounds to some extent as long as it's subtle (same with anything really). Yeah it's certainly grindy, it definitely doesn't sound smooth at all. It's like if you put Rap and chorus music together...it would just be silly.

Funny how many people say AOT had a great soundtrack, because it was loud and used chorus? And had engrish lyrics in a bunch of songs (Ok I'll admit, I do actually like some engrish songs but not the ones from AOT)? Compare AOT's attempt at being epic to Escaflowne's soundtrack and you'll see a world of difference. Makes me sad when stuff like the Kenshin OVA soundtrack was never very recognized.

Perhaps they should have gotten the code geass composer instead for kill la kill.

I would have been okay with either the guy that did the TV OST or the guy that gave us the OVA OST tracks like Mythical Heritage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6LEWupGBWA#t=294).  Also god almighty Kill La Kill's soundtrack is barely worth mentioning in the same breath as a soundtrack that contains the likes of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eLzeyXpyzg), this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejyBcX_gUNQ) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSlNHi6wgQQ).  Not only does Kanno have more mastery over her music here making use of real instruments and using the full complement of the orchestra, they clearly got a real choir to do the vocal parts and it shows.  Coincidentally all the soundtracks we've just jizzed about aside from Kenshin come from Bandai Visual/Sunrise produced anime and including the Sawano one in Unicorn.  Coincidence?  I've personally never heard a soundtrack for one of their shows I didn't like be it from Bandai's own Lantis production team or otherwise.

As for Attack on Titan, it was light years better than this as far as I'm concerned.  It wasn't as good as Unicorn but then Unicorn remains one of my favorite anime soundtracks of the current decade along with Valvrave and Zetsuen no Tempests.  I wasn't as worried about Hiroyuki Sawano's future as a composer I support with Titan as I am right now though.  Like I never thought the day would ever come where I could argue that Sawano's music is negatively impacting my ability to enjoy a show so much as the other way around.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 24, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
Did it cross either of your minds that perhaps this is what the production team for Kill-la-Kill wanted?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on December 24, 2013, 08:49:36 PM
Did it cross either of your minds that perhaps this is what the production team for Kill-la-Kill wanted?

Oh absolutely no doubt they did, it doesn't mean I have to find it desirable to any extent though.  Not only can Sawano do better, this is kind of flat out unpleasant music that actually detracts from a lot of the scenes it's used in for me that are otherwise technically great.  That shouldn't happen and hopefully I can make the adjustment in the second half to where I can sort of block it out when it becomes to blaring and just focus on the chaos on the screen.

Incidentally

11:  I think this show might be unfortunate to air at the same time as an ongoing Hunter x Hunter adaptation that takes up a similar spot in my watch list.  Don't get me wrong, the show is amusing as hell on account of how batshit crazy Imaishi makes everything down to details most directors probably wouldn't even consider paying attention to, but there's something really typical about the way the fights play out that just feels kind of...well typical and then usually that episode gets followed up by and episode of Hunter x Hunter where there's a battle of wits that has considerations down to details mosts directors probably wouldn't think of that make me often say, "wow I really wouldn't have thought of that but it seems fitting".  If only there were some way to marry the two.

Nui feels like some sort of ying yang necessity of a character to act as a rival in the sense of the whole Light Femine/Dark Feminine (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LightFeminineAndDarkFeminine) trope.  She kind of complements Ryuko and Satsuki in a way that neither can for each other since their both just so gritty (well more so Ryuko whereas Satsuki is just kind of prone to shouting and fits of posing) while she's all moetastic.  There always seems to be one of these characters in every Imaishi series with the letter N a focus in the name (Nono, Nia, Nui) though she's missing the trademark flower iris that Nono from Diebuster and Nia from Gurren Lagann have and instead seems to be going for an eyepatch.  I've heard those are considered moe now.  Also she's a bitch, but the more pressing question I'm pondering is when are all these other factions going to come into play already?  I'm hoping the first half has been setup and the second half will just go buck wild with everything the shows been holding back on cause while really fun it feels like only that and that I would be disappointed if we don't get some more explanation of the shows world already and just what everybody is really all about.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on December 24, 2013, 09:21:55 PM
Honestly, with how loud and grating the whole anime is, I don't see why people would have problems with Hiroyuki Sawano's loud and grating soundtrack. I'd prefer this over soundtracks which are better that the anime, like that adaptation of Shingetsutan Tsukihime that doesn't exist.

Plus, a few of the tracks are just great. You telling me Harime Nui's would be scarier if not backed up by that signature track of hers?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on January 09, 2014, 04:37:59 PM
13:

Fantastic episode. Why am I not surprised that the main conflict has taken on biblical undertones. This is the kind of nonsense that in another show would be ridiculous tripe, but here fits right in with all the other madness the show throws at the screen.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on January 09, 2014, 05:01:23 PM
13:
Kill la Kill... Bringing in a twist an episode.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on January 09, 2014, 08:20:20 PM
13:

Funny how the OST's are decidedly noisy, yet I feel the OP song is a bit on the weak side for a show of this magnitude.

(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag59/desdemondia/IDK89_zpsdce7a9e9.jpg)
Oh, Ragyo..

Anyway, OSHIT 'what a twist'. Rest in pieces Senketsu. Ryuko was still holding onto a scrap of the kamui though;dangling a shred of hope and all.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on January 09, 2014, 09:18:30 PM
13:

Ah, now I'm really getting into this. We got nowhere else to go but out of the school now.

Why am I not surprised that the main conflict has taken on biblical undertones. This is the kind of nonsense that in another show would be ridiculous tripe, but here fits right in with all the other madness the show throws at the screen.

No kidding. I'm guessing Nudist Beach will also have some biblical undertone as well, though we won't know until they actually get to them. Which should be soon. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on January 09, 2014, 10:02:18 PM
13: So, uh, does this justify the fanservice in the series?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on January 10, 2014, 10:12:46 PM
I dare say this episode made me a bit depressed.  Very intrigued by the curveball thrown in at the end however.  As I have stated before...Goddamn Harime!!!!
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on January 10, 2014, 10:23:56 PM
13:  I have to admit the disguise had me fooled.   :o
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 11, 2014, 11:15:25 AM
13:

Quote from: Me after episode 11
BTW, I predict that Senketsu is about to make an exit.

Okay, I was an episode late.  It was just bound to happen eventually, because Nui was destroying Goku suits by pulling on magical threads, and because I couldn't think of anything else that would bring Ryuko down to earth for the inevitable comeback.  I should have guessed that the scissor blade she had would do it, since that was created exactly for this purpose, and it would then be ironic.

Anywho... time for the episode where Ryuko either discovers her "true" powers or ressurects Senksetsu into Super Saiyan mode.  C'mon, this is a by-the-numbers shounen battle manga without the shounen lead.  It's the style that makes it great.

Also, now that I've listened to the full OST, y'all are being VERY unfair to the composer.  That's actually quite good once you sit down and listen to it.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on January 12, 2014, 10:50:52 AM
Also, now that I've listened to the full OST, y'all are being VERY unfair to the composer.  That's actually quite good once you sit down and listen to it.

Ja, Ich bin viel stärker, als ich gedacht hab
Fliege höher! Laufe viel schneller!
Vergiß die Wahrheit nicht!

Ja, Ich bin viel stärker, als ich gedacht hab
Ich entferne welke Blumen Wieso siehst du
so taurig aus?


Yes it is.

13:

Well, I expected that to have more impact.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on January 16, 2014, 03:36:08 PM
14:
Well that was fast.

As usual, Mako gets the mst entertainig scenes. Someone give her a spin off. Preferably with a little more budget though. It's getting very noticeable now.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on January 16, 2014, 06:56:41 PM
14:

Massively entertaining.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on January 16, 2014, 09:08:01 PM
14: The life fibers are humans. Calling it.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on January 16, 2014, 09:52:56 PM
14:

Gotta say, seeing what the other schools are like, I'm kind of understanding more of Kiryuin's goals more.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on January 16, 2014, 10:04:58 PM
Also, now that I've listened to the full OST, y'all are being VERY unfair to the composer.  That's actually quite good once you sit down and listen to it.

I think it's being fair to a composer when you actually like and respect his music on average but feel he's been phoning it in of late and this soundtrack makes him sound amateurish which is kind of saddening to me.  I like probably 3 tracks on this.  A few tracks are good, some are just noise and others don't bother me so much, but when I know for a fact Sawano can do much better and bring more variety to the mix I think it's fair to say so.

I think there's more to making quality BGM than just being loud, blaring and "epic" and I also think ones appreciation of this soundtrack probably goes hand in hand with how much they like the Alternative Rock and Dubstep sounds.  Personally I can't stand either genre and much prefer the orchestral music Sawano used in Gundam Unicorn, but obviously some people will disagree as not everybody likes the more classical style.

Anyway the three tracks I consider good are KIRYUG@KILL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_H3KBy1oCg&list=PLqoJ2tctMfE5bIGoHNeIgoqhBEkBDZpOC&index=6), ADLALIB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgS_K0eoHu4&list=PLu4laiLmZvMSgOcfg_G5KAJUu528s1ny9) and one that's not available on youtube but is used in a lot of flashbacks.  These are the only songs that I feel enhance the quality of any scene they are in rather than detract from it through the sheer force of being just too goddamn loud and unpleasant to listen too.

Also Satsuki Kiryuin for President.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on January 16, 2014, 10:12:34 PM
I finally found someone else who like Kiryu ga kill over blumenkranz :)
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on January 16, 2014, 10:27:52 PM
I finally found someone else who like Kiryu ga kill over blumenkranz :)

To be honest I kind of find Blumenkranz unlistenable and have not once failed to cringe whenever it's been played in the show.  Sawano has done the whole German vocals thing much better in Unicorn too which I compared earlier in the thread.  Huge world of difference between a choral sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7L6kWqxW4) and Cyua (whose voice is best suited for ballads (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBSl4GiWVUw) I find) who while I'm sure she's trying her best just sounds kind of awful trying to work her way around those German words while the composition grinds away in the background.  It's really not her fault though, the track just doesn't really work well musically like Licht Meer cause you can tell it's composed to be sung along with using Japanese style phonology yet the words that are coming out are German so the whole thing is just kind of mangled noisy mess.

To be honest I don't like any of the vocal tracks in this show, all of them kind of sound bad and ill-conceived.  It's just hard for me to argue that Sawano hasn't regressed since his contribution to Gundam Unicorn though it wasn't quite as apparent with Titan and Guilty Crown as it is with Kill la Kill.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on January 17, 2014, 03:17:38 AM
Honestly, I wouldn't have like Blumenkranz half as much if it weren't for Ragyo Kiryuin. It's not an amazing song, but it has dem rainbows going for it.

But seriously, this music is grindy, the show is grindy, the composition is grindy, and if you have a problem with grindy, you ought to have a problem with the show, not just the OST. Gundam Unicorn has scale, sombreness and history going for it, and the soundtrack reflects this perfectly. Attack on Titan has psychopathy, illusions of grandeur, loss and anger going for it, and the soundtrack (OST 2, more like) reflects that perfectly. Kill la Kill has recklessness.

I am willing to bet, KS, that you would rank these three shows in the order Unicorn>Kyojin>Kill la Kill, just like you do the OSTs. It may very well be less of a question of soundtrack quality than it is one of what kind of package the soundtrack is part of. (Guilty Crown would be the Sawano soundtrack that doesn't fit into this theory, but I think a case can be made for how it is an exception, since the Guilty Crown package was rather indentityless and easy to mentally separate from the OST)
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 17, 2014, 03:47:43 AM
That episode was kinda boring and underwhelming at the same time. Yep, I can safely say the novelty has worm off. Should have quit whilst you were ahead.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 19, 2014, 11:46:19 AM
14: Late to the party, spent awhile catching up. Yeah this episode was pretty...boring I gotta say. I feel like Kill la Kill might have been better as a 6 episode super hyper ova quite honestly. The only character that's really any fun anymore is Mako, but the rest are just soooo bland. It's funny how a show can seemingly have so much life put into it...but still feel lifeless.

I guess the show is just too hyper for its own good really.

Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on January 19, 2014, 11:49:26 AM
I guess I'm the only one who's still really into it, then?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 19, 2014, 11:58:14 AM
Though I feel like I might be double standarding and quite a hypocrite by not liking this show. For some reason the mix of serious and comedy aspects just doesn't work well for me. It comes off as jarring and lacking in immersion. But for some reason I don't mind it at all when it happens in One Piece. Not sure why. I think I would like this show more if it would tone down the hyper energy a little more though.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on January 19, 2014, 12:04:50 PM
Well I still like it. But I admit Kill la Kill needs to do something big soon. There's only so much you can do before the novelty wears off. Although I disagree with Mako being the only enjoyable character at the moment. Satsuki and her mother are also quite interesting. Ryuuko seems to suffer the most though. She's pretty boring as a main character. Hence why Mako should get her own spin off.

It's no Gurren Lagann at the moment that's for sure.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on January 19, 2014, 12:11:52 PM
Well, supposedly, it's going to climax in its next episode and head into second stage in two. I guess we'll just have to see.

I'll admit, it's been stalling for a while, but I feel like that's more Imaishi's problem in not being able to fill in the blanks between big plot points really well. I mean, take Gurren Lagann. The only episodes that didn't have some big fight in that were the ones between the formation of Gurren Lagann and the sieging of the Dai-Gurren. Kill la Kill doesn't have as many plot points as TTGL did, and Imaishi's trying to fill it in as much as he can. You can either have two cours or one cour, and Kill la Kill probably needs more than 13 episodes to fit in what already happened and what's going to come next, so it makes sense that he had a little bit of space to fill in between some extra episodes may not have needed. I have faith that it'll pick back up like Trigger promised, because the first 8 episodes or so have basically made this one of my favorite shows of all time.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 19, 2014, 12:16:09 PM
I dunno, I'm not really catching much of a vibe with Satsuki or her mother. Just seem to be larger than life, campy badasses. I mean I find them humorous because of their holy yellow glow, but other than that...they don't really do much of anything. I mean behind the scenes sure, but that hardly seems effective for this kind of show.

I found it interesting when she felt compelled to get a kamui in episode 3 though. But ever since, she's pretty much taken a back seat and just been an announcer. And now that her threat level has essentially been outdone by a generic loli. It kind of makes her character not seem so great anymore.

I'll keep watching though, because it's possible they saved the best segment for last.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on January 19, 2014, 12:32:31 PM
I dunno, I'm not really catching much of a vibe with Satsuki or her mother. Just seem to be larger than life, campy badasses. I mean I find them humorous because of their holy yellow glow, but other than that...they don't really do much of anything.

I found it interesting when she felt compelled to get a kamui in episode 3 though. But ever since, she's pretty much taken a back seat and just been an announcer. And now that her threat level has essentially been outdone by a generic loli. It kind of makes her character not seem so great anymore.

I'll keep watching though, because it's possible they saved the best segment for last.

Honestly, I think that having Nui overpower her is supposed to make her seem smaller than she actually is. We're thrown her grand figure for the first 10 episode or so just to remind us that there really are greater influences in the world, such as her mother. It makes it seem like her character could go anywhere, which makes me more interested in her, rather than less interested. Consider Satsuki the 1st circle of hell. She may seem like one of the heights humanity can reach, but there is much more greatness to be seen past the superficial things we know at first. What's coming our way in the next couple of episodes or so will show how simple Satsuki's reign is compared to what's actually out there. I feel like there's something big going on that we still don't know about, so we should be looking forward to some twists, hopefully.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on January 19, 2014, 12:48:27 PM
I strongly disagree on the matter of Satsuki. She's easily the most interesting character of the bunch for me, and one of the best in recent memory. Her mentality is a delightful mixture of noble and twisted, and she hasn't shown the barest hint of a sincere emotional connection with anybody. I think I posted this before, but she's the perfect ice queen and straight man, and she's a very rare example of a villain who isn't actually evil in the slightest. Her bombastic yelling and ridiculous outfits belie how cleverly written her character is.

And Nui being a greater threat? Hold your horses, literally nobody as of yet has so much touched Satsuki in a fight (I think). We won't really know how dangerous she is until somebody actually poses a danger to her.   
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 19, 2014, 12:55:21 PM
>people not liking Kiru-Ra-Kiru

Pleeeeeeeeeebs.

For all of you kvetching about the pacing, just remember that this is the shounen battle genre.  In a normal series like this, Ryuko would have spent forty episodes battling random Goku Suited clubs of the week UNTIL she finds out that she can wear senksetsu "better" and go Super Saiyan.  Then it would be another forty episodes, ten for each of the Four Kings, where Ryuko battles, gets stomped, fights a few minions, then finally defeats them.  Then another forty of dealing with other randomness until Nui Harime cuts Senketsu off.  THEN WE'D GET A TRAINING ARC TO DISCOVER RYUKO'S NEW POWAH...

Trust me, this shit is positively sardine canned compared to its peers.  Enjoy it; enjoy the briskness.  You wont get it again.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 19, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
I shall refrain from judging her until the end of course. I think Mako makes it hard to take anything seriously considering she will always gloss over any detail and act like it's not really important haha.

I thought that Ryuko gave her a run for her money in episode 3. While Nui beat Ryuko in a matter of seconds without even trying (without wearing a kamui it seems). Plus she's more active then Satsuki has been, so she feels like an actual threat.

and don't get me wrong TIF, it's certainly better than crap shounen because it at least be over before you know it. Though I won't say it has anything on any actual good shounen (like ace of diamond this season).
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on January 19, 2014, 01:17:45 PM
Dude Ryuko got spanked in episode 3. They had about the same amount of physical strength, is all I got from that fight. Nui cut up her Kamui with her half-scissor, which Satsuki can't really do, so that's a bit unfair.

I think what really matters is that Satsuki threatened Nui with death, and Nui backed off right away.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 19, 2014, 01:34:23 PM
Idk it didn't seem one sided to me at all. It seemed more like she had the upper hand. Now Sanegayama...yes he totally spanked her in their episode.

Regardless I don't feel like Satsuki is active enough to be an effective antagonist (even though she will probably turn into a protagonist by next episode) in this kind of show. I actually prefer the other 4 that serve under her. At least they seem kind of humorous and seem to catch on to jokes and stuff.

Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on January 19, 2014, 04:07:12 PM
Active in what sense?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 19, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
Well considering she has pretty much left her minions do everything for her...yeah. Now that wouldn't be bad, but in this show where everything is so in your face and over the top, it just makes her come off as underwhelming to me. I prefer Date Masamune and Dio as rival characters in this kind of show. They are just as active and in your face as the protagonists lawl.

I get that she obviously has plans for the future and is handling things behind the scenes though. If this were a more serious show I probably wouldn't have a problem with her character.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on January 19, 2014, 04:57:12 PM
What I really like about Satsuki, is that for her failure isn't a setback or a keikakku dori, but an opportunity to better yourself as evidenced by what she told her Elite Four after they all lost their uniforms (Beginning of Episode 13). I also like all her big ideologies. And she (And Ragyou) are the one hope something big will happen. She a strong female character done right, in contrary to Ryuuko who is the generic strong female who is that way by being just mostly loud and obnoxious.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on January 19, 2014, 09:43:22 PM
Found an interesting comment on youtube:

"I just realized that Ryuko's transformation is called life fiber synchronize and Satsuki's is life fiber override.

Ryuko is friends and partners with Senketsu and they work together, whereas Satsuki just takes control of Junketsu and struggles to maintain it. It's gonna be interesting when that little plot thread comes to a head."
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on January 19, 2014, 10:53:50 PM
Found an interesting comment on youtube:

"I just realized that Ryuko's transformation is called life fiber synchronize and Satsuki's is life fiber override.

Ryuko is friends and partners with Senketsu and they work together, whereas Satsuki just takes control of Junketsu and struggles to maintain it. It's gonna be interesting when that little plot thread comes to a head."

Ichigo vs Kenpachi, round 2.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on January 23, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
15:

I'm going all out on this post.

Dear Sweet Baby Jesus of Nazareth...I love this anime.  Eat your heart out everyone who was worried the series was starting to stall.  There was so much action within that episode that they not only shortened the end credits, but they also entirely got rid of the opening!

 
>people not liking Kiru-Ra-Kiru

Pleeeeeeeeeebs.

For all of you kvetching about the pacing, just remember that this is the shounen battle genre.  In a normal series like this, Ryuko would have spent forty episodes battling random Goku Suited clubs of the week UNTIL she finds out that she can wear senksetsu "better" and go Super Saiyan.  Then it would be another forty episodes, ten for each of the Four Kings, where Ryuko battles, gets stomped, fights a few minions, then finally defeats them.  Then another forty of dealing with other randomness until Nui Harime cuts Senketsu off.  THEN WE'D GET A TRAINING ARC TO DISCOVER RYUKO'S NEW POWAH...

Trust me, this shit is positively sardine canned compared to its peers.  Enjoy it; enjoy the briskness.  You wont get it again.

I couldn't agree more, every episode has been a furthering of the story and I have yet to see a point where Kill la Kill drops the ball.  There are only two episodes that I can think of that were generally slow and that was 1) when Mako and her family got really rich 2) the episode after Ryuuko goes Super Senketsu.  However, those episodes were an integral part of the series, the first showed how money and power can corrupt people, whereas the second displayed a decisive loss to Matoi and also piled on the Nui Harime hate. 

I'm also liking Ryuuko more as the series progresses.  Her character continually develops, which is what I want in the main protagonist.  Don't get me wrong, I love Mako and Kiryuin, but we already know what their characters are like for the most part.  Ryuuko on the otherhand has a bunch of things happen to her which end up shaping that character throughout the series. 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on January 24, 2014, 12:27:53 AM
15: Gold. What were people expecting? 500 plot twists to show up at once? We'll get that next episode. For now, just sit down and enjoy the fight.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on January 24, 2014, 01:49:13 AM
15:

I was starting to feel like Satsuki's character was getting too... sacred? It's like they didn't want her to be ousted or wronged in any way. And while I feel like that last part of the episode cleaned Satsuki up a bit, oh damn was it exciting to see Ryuuko get the advantage like that. With a punch, at that.

And is Nudist Beach really just that? I'd be surprised if there's a whole bunch of build-up for a one-episode crush, and it didn't seem like Mikisugi cared about all the gloating the Devas did over finding the base.

Ryuko is friends and partners with Senketsu and they work together, whereas Satsuki just takes control of Junketsu and struggles to maintain it. It's gonna be interesting when that little plot thread comes to a head."

Looks like they're going for that one at full force.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 24, 2014, 07:49:09 AM
15: This show is really like a fireworks display. Bunch of flashy stuff happens...and then you forget all about it. Regardless it's kinda entertaining at the same time.

Though I will admit the nudist beach costumes were kinda funny. And Senketsu hopping next to Ryuko was pretty cute.

Also Satsuki vs Ryuko really is Ichigo vs Kenpachi part 2 haha. Though not nearly as good.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on January 24, 2014, 09:34:10 AM
15:
The battle was great and very entertaining to watch, but I hope we get something different with the next episode. Something needs to happen soon and it seems next episode will give us just that.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on January 24, 2014, 08:38:04 PM
15:

THRUST, THRUST, THRUST,THRUST. (Man, getting a bamboo sword up your ass isn't the way to go).

This whole episode is on crack. But hey, if that's what we loved about TTGL, then why not here too?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on January 24, 2014, 08:57:36 PM
15:

THRUST, THRUST, THRUST,THRUST. (Man, getting a bamboo sword up your ass isn't the way to go).

This whole episode is on crack. But hey, if that's what we loved about TTGL, then why not here too?

A kindred soul.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Shadowmage on January 24, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
15

It's funny how 50% of the budget of the show clearly went into that awesome sequence on the tower that lasted 2 minutes.  Needless to say, I was impressed.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on January 30, 2014, 09:11:24 PM
16:

Best recap episode all time.

I actually watched this raw, didn't understand what they were saying, but lemme just say WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK in advance.

EDIT: Ok that was surprisingly sane, great expository episode. Except for. That one bit. With that one mother doing that one thing.

Also REVOCS = COVERS backwards (sorta) I'm a moron. Plus I may be mistaken, but Ragyo is 200+ years old?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Shadowmage on January 30, 2014, 09:17:05 PM
16

Ah, so this is the Kill la Kill version of the Anti-spiral.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on January 30, 2014, 10:10:18 PM
16:

That fakeout before the OP was great. Oh, and the rest of the episode was cool, too. Though I certainly know they're hiding some stuff from us right now, at least we have some idea as to how the story goes from here.

And while I kinda hoped this would have led to less of Ryuuko fighting with everyone, at least there's a decent reason. Oh, and Satsuki's feeling pretty suspicious, too.

Plus I may be mistaken, but Ragyo is 200+ years old?

Seems like it. It makes me wonder just what Ragyo is... to say she's merely human would be too easy right now. Not to mention that the question of Nui also comes up with this exposition as well...

Ah, so this is the Kill la Kill version of the Anti-spiral.

The Life Fibers seem more symbiotic and menacing, though I can't deny I got those vibes. Well, that and reading Getter Robo too.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on January 30, 2014, 10:27:16 PM
Dat recap.

Kill la Kill really is a show meant to be watched all at once. It's less enthralling in individual episodes, but fantastic as a whole. Including this episode. People keep expecting something big to happen every episode because Trigger hypes it up. Triggee's just being the mud going "oh, you have to see this, in context, this is why it's so cool!", but, it looks unimpressive because you expect something really big and get what looks like another flashy piece of the puzzle. But when you look at Kill la Kill as a whole for what it is, it's just enthralling.

Which is why you shouldn't be too disappointed at the simplicity of what was expected to be a "big reveal". Trigger's only this excited about it because they have the entire thing at once. It's like the anticipation of waiting for people to learn the secret of the world in Little Busters for 13 weeks. Trigger's excited for people to see the peaks of their story in comparison to the rest.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on January 30, 2014, 10:52:38 PM
Seriously, no one else cares that Ragyo is pretty much the mother devil? That scene was like Wolverine's dad bitch slapping him until he whimpers and cries like a baby. I'm still somewhat in shock that they did that to Satsuki.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on January 30, 2014, 11:43:21 PM
My only response.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on January 31, 2014, 08:43:40 AM
16:
That recap was hilarious.

That being said, I can't help feel a little disappointed. I feel like Trigger is making the whole thing more shocking then it really is. And I really hope this festival isn't another excuse for tournament style fighting, because that's starting to get old.

Granted while the whole incest scene was unnecessary, it is still interesting how Satsuki seems submissive to her mother. I noticed it in their conversation back in episode 13 too, where Satsuki sounded more soft-spoken. So more of Satsuki please.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on January 31, 2014, 01:49:58 PM
Dat recap.

Kill la Kill really is a show meant to be watched all at once. It's less enthralling in individual episodes, but fantastic as a whole. Including this episode. People keep expecting something big to happen every episode because Trigger hypes it up. Triggee's just being the mud going "oh, you have to see this, in context, this is why it's so cool!", but, it looks unimpressive because you expect something really big and get what looks like another flashy piece of the puzzle. But when you look at Kill la Kill as a whole for what it is, it's just enthralling.

Which is why you shouldn't be too disappointed at the simplicity of what was expected to be a "big reveal". Trigger's only this excited about it because they have the entire thing at once. It's like the anticipation of waiting for people to learn the secret of the world in Little Busters for 13 weeks. Trigger's excited for people to see the peaks of their story in comparison to the rest.
"

I swear that has more to do with the shows bigger producer Aniplex than anything.  They are the absolute masters of hyping everything they have a production credit on up to the highest of heights only for things to just sort of turn out alright but nothing ground breaking.  To me the latest episode was basically Satsuki finally hitting a wall and getting a chance to pick herself back up again (it's about time it happened to her too), have a spot of tea and a bath (with a really awkward scene I'm not sure is just fanservice or implies something more ominous) and learn some back story.  Satsuki remains the best character in the show of the principle cast to me and not just because I find her character type and look more than a little alluring.  She has the most potential for any sort of unexpected complexity by the end it feels.  Where do her loyalties really lie?  With her family or with herself like she likes to claim?  How will her ambition actually be realized in the end and is it truly her own alone?

Kill la Kill is still a really fun energetic show, one just needs to learn to take the Aniplex hype machine for what it is and keep their expectations checked and realistic.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 31, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
16: Welp this show has decided that everything about it is a joke lawl. I mean really I thought I was being harsh with Satsuki but the incest scene has made it impossible to ever take her seriously again haha.

I can't say I can be disappointed with the story or the plot twist, because it hardly even matters to the characters themselves as they seem to make the biggest joke out of it as quickly as possible. I dunno, this show started out pretty entertaining but now its just plain boring and gotten old. It's like their goal to make every scene as retarded as humanely possible. Which would be fine if it was like...clever. But it just isn't. This show just has no soul to it.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on January 31, 2014, 06:14:25 PM
I'm going to have to strongly disagree with pretty much every word of that, hyperknees
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 31, 2014, 06:45:33 PM
Well it is just my opinion. I find the show lacking in every regard, but you like it plenty. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on January 31, 2014, 08:31:22 PM
16:

Now, can't all anime series fashion their recap episodes that way? It's so much more efficient.

But surely enough, it's becoming more like TTGL: Matoi & Nudist Beach is basically Gurren Lagann, Ragyou Kiryuuin is the Spiral King and, when the Life Fiber takes over the world (if they will one day), Life Fibers are the (Anti-)Spirals.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on January 31, 2014, 08:56:19 PM
Life Fibers are incubators.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 31, 2014, 09:16:27 PM
Do you want to me a magical exhibitionist?

I actually quit watching GL after its first half so I have no idea what an anti-spiral is.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on February 01, 2014, 12:47:31 AM
Life Fibers are incubators.

Incubators are anti-spirals
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on February 01, 2014, 02:39:35 AM
I'm really finding it hard to believe that Satsuki is actually the daughter of Madame Satan.  It seems like Satsuki is just her champion and there is no real family bond between them.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 01, 2014, 09:02:17 AM
Life Fibers are incubators.

Incubators are anti-spirals

So is anti-spirals gainax speak for "everything you knew was a lie" lawl.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on February 01, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
Life Fibers are incubators.

Incubators are anti-spirals

Einhorn is Finkle!
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 01, 2014, 12:34:23 PM
I'm really finding it hard to believe that Satsuki is actually the daughter of Madame Satan.  It seems like Satsuki is just her champion and there is no real family bond between them.

From what I see, Satsuki has the same spark of heartless craziness, which comes out every now and then in her plots, whereas Ragyo does it 24/7 (the champion vs daughter thing is a good example). Clearly they're related, it's just that neither of them are capable of traditional familial love.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on February 01, 2014, 01:49:28 PM
Life Fibers are incubators.

Incubators are anti-spirals

Einhorn is Finkle!

This explains Satsuki.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Major Tom on February 06, 2014, 06:57:33 AM
I'm wondering if Ragyo has thrown a spanner in whatever works Satsuki has planned for Honnouji Academy.  The announcement of this grand spectacle seems to have surprised her.  Don't supposed this festival is basically hors d'oeuvres for the life fibres.....
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on February 06, 2014, 02:03:34 PM
17:

I saw this coming, but damn. That was quite the spectacle. Of course she'd want to be above the Life Fibers, so that leaves us with Ragyo (submission) and Nudist Beach (destruction). And now I'm curious about all these parallels for Satsuki with Mitsuhide.

Though there's still some phantoms around in the story at this point. Kinue, Satsuki's father... well, in due time, I suppose.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on February 06, 2014, 04:49:07 PM
17:

I was hoping for that turn ever since the end of the first arc, but damn was that an intense last minute.  That leads me however to criticize the new ending song.  After seeing how that episode, I wanted the music to be  bombastic and roaring, instead it's all cheery and it got me immediately de-hyped
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 06, 2014, 04:57:37 PM
17:

Mother of god, literally. The intensity of this series is incredible.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Truna on February 06, 2014, 06:20:30 PM
17:

Gawd. Beautifully executed.
Literally.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on February 06, 2014, 08:17:40 PM
17:
That's Kiryuin Satsuki for ya. When she gets stuff done, she does it efficiently.

Anyway, this was exactly the episode this show needed. Hope it continues.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AH on February 07, 2014, 11:09:32 AM
17:

Amusing, but knowing this won't be permanent (look at the preview) tones down some of the effect.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 07, 2014, 12:20:30 PM
It would be extremely anti climactic if Ragyo was dead already, IMO
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on February 07, 2014, 12:53:16 PM
17:
Satsuki isn't a fan of Lady Gaga huh
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 07, 2014, 01:42:56 PM
17: Eh feel like its moving too fast for any mood to really come across at any given moment. All I can really say about this episode is "stuff happens". Though the manly father face scene was pretty funny.

Don't worry about Ragyo being dead, based on Nui's response I'm sure she's fine...tis a flesh wound. I bet Ryuko is gonna be the one to finish her off, or they'll do it together as Satsuki has relinquished her antagonist seat atm. I'm guessing because Satsuki is always "fighting alone" it will lead to her not being able to beat her.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on February 07, 2014, 09:32:33 PM
17:

At least, it was thought that Satsuki created Honnouji Academy to fight against her mother's tyranny. Then, the story somewhat tells that Satsuki was just following her mother's footsteps. Then, it is revealed that she was intending to fight against her tyranny.

^ Maybe this explains why I felt a little surprised at the plot twist... and it lasted only a few seconds.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 08, 2014, 05:31:03 AM
So I guess the question is, is she just trying to overthrow her mother and take her place. Or is she actually fighting against the life fibers? If she's fighting against the life fibers then why did she fight with nudist beach in the last episode? Seems like they have the same goal in mind. If she just wants to take her mothers place, well then I guess we'll get to Ryuko go to town on her.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on February 08, 2014, 06:16:20 AM
Hyper, I have the feeling that Satsuki is neither fighting for or against life fibers.  I have the feeling she wants to control them.  If her mother is subservient to the life fibers, she wants to be above the life fibers and in control of them.  Why else would she arm her entire academy with suits have more and more life fiber in them?  Even her four generals are in suits that are practically made of life fiber. 

If Satsuki wanted to destroy life fibers, I get the feeling that she wouldn't have armed her academy in them and had her students get acclimated to them. 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on February 08, 2014, 11:29:24 AM
Ragyo wants to worship the new Life Fiber Overlords.

Satsuki wants to rule over the Life Fibers.

Ryuko (and Nudist Beach) wants to End the Life Fibers.

Satsuki & Ryuko are allies against Ragyo, but not with each other.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on February 08, 2014, 04:44:06 PM
Actually, Ryuko wants to have a peaceful coexistence with life fibers like she and Senketsu have, so there are five ideologies clashing together. Sounds delicious.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on February 09, 2014, 12:55:40 AM
Actually, Ryuko wants to have a peaceful coexistence with life fibers like she and Senketsu have, so there are five ideologies clashing together.

I think the best example of this is how Kiryuin's battle form is Fiber Overdrive and Ryuko's is Fiber Synchronization.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on February 09, 2014, 10:38:50 AM
During the big fight in Osaka, they actually dropped a few Tekkaman Blade visual references, which probably should have clued in on the alien nature of the Life Fibers.   
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on February 09, 2014, 10:56:17 AM
6:
Gonna assume Dandy and Meow suffocated in space right after it cut to the outro. Either that or they rode straight into that star at the end
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 09, 2014, 05:23:35 PM
6:
Gonna assume Dandy and Meow suffocated in space right after it cut to the outro. Either that or they rode straight into that star at the end

Kill la Kill adds two new characters from another show to an episode retrospectively, and then kills them. Truly mad, Trigger you crazy bastards.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 09, 2014, 06:26:19 PM
getdata smoking the good stuff
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 09, 2014, 07:53:12 PM
Hyper, I have the feeling that Satsuki is neither fighting for or against life fibers.  I have the feeling she wants to control them.  If her mother is subservient to the life fibers, she wants to be above the life fibers and in control of them.  Why else would she arm her entire academy with suits have more and more life fiber in them?  Even her four generals are in suits that are practically made of life fiber. 

If Satsuki wanted to destroy life fibers, I get the feeling that she wouldn't have armed her academy in them and had her students get acclimated to them.

Makes sense. I guess she wants to have the life fibers essentially be "clothes" for her. I guess the question will be will Ryuko beat her first, convince her otherwise, or beat her last. Perhaps the life fiber will end up taking control of her or something (as it's already shown to somewhat be happening).
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on February 13, 2014, 07:38:10 PM
6:
Gonna assume Dandy and Meow suffocated in space right after it cut to the outro. Either that or they rode straight into that star at the end

Kill la Kill adds two new characters from another show to an episode retrospectively, and then kills them. Truly mad, Trigger you crazy bastards.

drat
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on February 13, 2014, 08:14:06 PM
18:

Awesome, not even sure what else to say about what happened here asides from that twist in the end just made Ryuuko x Satsuki doujins skyrocket in terms of appeal.

Anyone else think Ragyou's theme is bitchin'?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 13, 2014, 08:42:53 PM
18:

I would normally blanket this post in massive all-caps swear-filled slobbering, but this time I'm too shocked to come up with anything.

All I can really say is that I do not see how this show can possibly fail to score at least a 9. I haven't been so awed since Steins;Gate. 

I'll also say that Ragyo wearing Junketsu was brilliantly presented. An older woman wearing a highschool uniform really made me go EWWWWWW WTF

EDIT: So many details are flooding in back to me. Ragyo's hairstyle. Satsuki's hair color. Matoi Isshin's age. The yelling. Satsuki did of course graduate highschool before Ryuko. Oh my word.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on February 13, 2014, 09:34:33 PM
18:

HOLY MOTHER****ING SHIT!?!!???!!. < Dammit that was painfully tame. No words.

This show..

leading up to above:
-YES return of the brilliant Gamagoori-Mankanshoku duo
-Satsuki never quite seemed like the actual antagonist all along and more like Matoi's rival or foil.\
-Ryuko and her red bang swiveling around to snip the thread; love that bit
-Couldn't imagine Harime Nui being beaten and Ragyo to an even lesser extent than that
-Revealing such a complete win so early in the episode is bad for you Satsuki
-No, YOU Ragyo; highschool uniform on a 200+ old woman is MUCH more 'unfashionable'
-Ragyo is meant to be killed by Ryuko, sorry Satsuki
-Yep.
-... see above..
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on February 13, 2014, 09:44:17 PM
18:

I would have thought Satsuki would take some more precaution against Ragyo, or maybe Ragyo's just good at keeping it held back.

Though man, where to now? Poor Ryuko's broken again, and even MAKO is gone. This train ain't going to stop, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: The Little King on February 13, 2014, 09:54:07 PM
15:

I'm going all out on this post.

Dear Sweet Baby Jesus of Nazareth...I love this anime.  Eat your heart out everyone who was worried the series was starting to stall.
18:

I would normally blanket this post in massive all-caps swear-filled slobbering, but this time I'm too shocked to come up with anything.

All I can really say is that I do not see how this show can possibly fail to score at least a 9. I haven't been so awed since Steins;Gate. 


Full agreement here, on both accounts. Really, really cannot fathom the tepid response this has received in some quarters. If these last two episodes have been proof of anything, it is that every single detail or throwaway gag was part of a larger, rigid narrative, dense in symbolism (great compilation of many references picked up by fans here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/225692543/References.html (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/225692543/References.html)) and careful in construction (great, illuminating post on Art-Eater about the linguistic and sartorial symbolism of the show: http://art-eater.com/2013/11/kill-la-kill-the-fashion-of-fascism/ (http://art-eater.com/2013/11/kill-la-kill-the-fashion-of-fascism/)).

The show never stalls and the action is always explosive, the power-ups are a natural extension of a character's growth, tropes are utilized to weave a tapestry of unique symbolism, the show is auteur-driven and lives and breathes Imaishi - this is as grand as Shonen Action gets.

-No, YOU Ragyo; highschool uniform on a 200+ old woman is MUCH more 'unfashionable'

Apparently a mistranslation in the English Subs provided by Aniplex - it should say 20 years.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on February 13, 2014, 10:46:15 PM
Had been preparing to put down some of the meanings behind the characters of the character names and other references to FLCL, Gurren Lagann, etc but those links really cover it all. Definitely check them out.
Apparently a mistranslation in the English Subs provided by Aniplex - it should say 20 years.

Oh okay, yeah that bit seemed not to fit with the rest but what with her talking about the 'original' life fiber and how her body was life-fiber-ized, I figured it could possibly be true.

..still unfashionable. ;D
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on February 13, 2014, 10:55:15 PM
18:
Now that's more like it Kill la Kill. More of this please.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: pryose on February 13, 2014, 11:57:05 PM
WOW

JUST WOW

Only 6 more episodes left?

Not since Puella have I looked forward to an episode each week
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on February 14, 2014, 05:46:49 AM
Can I just say that Satsuki just got beat down to the point of not even being important?  She lost her students, only kept her four devas, and got beaten to a pulp.  This is on top of the fact that she lost the power that was her uniform.  I always liked Satsuki as a character and I really want her to rise up from here.  Something tells me she might not, but I hope the story has that in for her.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 14, 2014, 07:59:09 AM
18: Satsuki has now been relegated to the Vegeta of this show. Well I always knew her threat role had gone down the tube ever since killer loli showed up. Kinda feel bad at how the writers treat her character. The 4 Deva's are even more worthless then she is as they can't even touch the killer loli even with all 4 haha.

Ryuko: Why did you attack nudist beach then?
Satsuki: Because plot mako
Ryuko: oh ok.

Ragyo though is a hell of a villain. Good stuff from her in this episode, should've relieved Satsuki from her role much much earlier. Also Ryuko and Satsuki are sisters lawl, of course they are.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on February 14, 2014, 08:48:28 AM
You know, I never thought about it that way!  If Satsuki is Vegeta, then Ryuko is Goku.  Satsuki was doomed from the start!  Nappa was replaced by the four devas, but they're equally useless when combined with each other.  The four devas were doomed from the start too!
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 14, 2014, 09:07:05 AM
She was doomed from the start once they introduced Ragyo at all. Ragyo is totally the freeza of this show. Also the 4 devas are much worse than Nappa as at least Nappa took out people. Heck Nappa was a more useful antagonist than Satsuki was. Sure it wasn't perma-death or anything, but at least he felt like a legit threat unlike Satsuki (Who kinda just barks alot...much like Vegeta haha).

I can't wait for Ryuko to go super saiyan on Ragyo and she'll all be like "THIS IS OUTSIDE MY CALCULATIONSSSS"
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 14, 2014, 10:33:04 AM
I'd be extremely surprised if the writers chose to relegate Satsuki to the sidelines, especially after the reveal that she's Ryuko's sister. It's just not an exciting idea.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on February 14, 2014, 10:59:46 AM
They hopefully won't condemn her to non-relevance, but the comparison is just too apt.  Even the the whole "Same blood" thing is applicable.  They have the same blood like both Goku and Vegeta share seiyan blood. 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 14, 2014, 11:11:45 AM
The comparison might be there, but there's no reason Trigger has to go through with it, and I'd be disappointed if they did. It's such an outdated thing to do, and it was never a good idea to begin with.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on February 14, 2014, 11:39:31 AM
At this point, I'm just having fun with the oddly apt comparisons.  As for actually relegating new-vegeta to the bad heroine role? Possibly.  They could do it, though I have the faith they won't.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 14, 2014, 11:53:10 AM
Well the hope you might be able to rely on is that Satsuki and Mako will reconcile as sisters and use their sisterly rivalry powers to show their mother whose her daddy. Or it could just be Mako destroying her. Or they could make Satsuki beat Nui while Ryuko beats Ryago.

Whatever the case, I doubt the 4 deva's will ever really shine again.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on February 14, 2014, 01:06:18 PM
I just want to say that the devas ended up a horrible disappointment.  They're built up throughout the entire show and now they literally amount to nothing.  It's nice that they're uniforms look cool, but unless they can use the power of friendship, nothing has been accomplished.  That can't even handle Nui.  They're effectively really ineffective school bullies now.  They rank below Nappa on the "Got stuff done" chart.  That's truly a low, low state.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 14, 2014, 01:32:39 PM
The only deva that truly disappointed me is Inumuta. Everyone else I pretty much expected to get beat, but he got one-shot and immediately lost relevance. A really poor showing after managing to make Ryuko flee.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 14, 2014, 02:48:48 PM
I think its sad because they barely built up nui or ragyo at all in comparison and yet they are 100x more threatening then the four devas.

I think the only thing that could save them at the moment is a heroic sacrifice.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on February 14, 2014, 03:08:56 PM
feh, let's judge the devas after next weeks spectacle shall we?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on February 14, 2014, 05:06:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/0LJw7x8.png)

nice view
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on February 14, 2014, 09:17:12 PM
18:

Wow, that plot twist.

To be truthful, there's no way anyone could see that plot twist coming. Why? Because:

the fact that Ragyou had two kids instead of just Satsuki was only revealed in this episode

and the revelation came after that. No wonder it sucker-punched me hard.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Gadget on February 15, 2014, 12:41:33 AM
Bakuzan broke. Any new weapons? Hidden fiber cutting weapon from her father that will appear? Will she use the DTR now that she's naked? Or will they get the purple scissors from Nui Harime?

I think Satsuki will be in deep depression for a while, until Ryuko beat some sense into her.

BTY, since Ryuko is actually a  Kiryuin, will she has a glowing aura like her mom and older sister?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Truna on February 15, 2014, 01:21:38 PM
The only way I can see this ending is Ryuko and Satsuki executing Ragyo with connected scissor blades.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on February 15, 2014, 07:38:13 PM
Has no one commented on the fact that Ragyo just RIPPED RYUKO'S HEART OUT AT THE VERY END?!?!??!

I don't think this is going Goku/Vegeta territory for the fact that Ryuko needs to survive until the next episode. 

Also, that Blood Raining was intense. 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on February 15, 2014, 09:34:39 PM
Has no one commented on the fact that Ragyo just RIPPED RYUKO'S HEART OUT AT THE VERY END?!?!??!
eh, she's gonna put it back probably, no big deal.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on February 15, 2014, 10:14:21 PM
Has no one commented on the fact that Ragyo just RIPPED RYUKO'S HEART OUT AT THE VERY END?!?!??!

Along with the part where Ryuuko physically ripped out the Mental Thread right out of her brain, I think we're pretty much immersed into the sheer spur of the moment.

But here's another plot twist:

If Ryuuko is indeed Ragyou's first child, then who is her real father? Is it Matoi Isshin, or Satsuki's father?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on February 15, 2014, 10:18:51 PM
If Ryuuko is indeed Ragyou's first child, then who is her real father? Is it Matoi Isshin, or Satsuki's father?

Who said they have to be different people?

And I'm pretty sure Ryuuko's the second child. Satsuki's older than her and all.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on February 15, 2014, 10:50:17 PM
If Ryuuko is indeed Ragyou's first child, then who is her real father? Is it Matoi Isshin, or Satsuki's father?
Thought about that too and I think Matoi Isshin's pretty much certain to be the adoptive father at this point. Doubt Soichiro would buy the idea of Ragyo having a second child without his knowledge.

BTY, since Ryuko is actually a  Kiryuin, will she has a glowing aura like her mom and older sister?
Now there's a thought. Make it red.

Harime Nui better be the next one going down. She was pretty darn close.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 15, 2014, 11:27:51 PM
I'm pretty sure Isshin adopted her, he's super old.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on February 16, 2014, 12:58:17 AM
I'm pretty sure Isshin adopted her, he's super old.

...

...

...but his scissor is still sharp.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 16, 2014, 09:41:58 AM
Dammit Pebble.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on February 16, 2014, 03:35:44 PM
I think that Isshin has gotta be both people because of the whole "make a life-fiber person" experiments.  What Satsuki's father and Ragyo were doing to Ryuko looked very similar to what Isshin did to Naked Rambo's sister.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 18, 2014, 10:10:16 AM
Listening to the OST, man they are not using half of it. Favorite moment so far is at the end of Suck Your Blood, when the vocalist abruptly stops singing and starts telling me he needs my blood so he can give me and himself power.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: pryose on February 19, 2014, 05:46:45 AM
Satsuki is the first child- when Ragyo did the experiment on her, she did it when she was 1 and said that she failed at it. The next time they did it to Matoi, it was when she was in Ragyo's stomach after the first child. Maybe 1-2 years difference though?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 20, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
19:

Wowowowowowoowwoowowowowow.

Ragyo continues to be the most inappropriate thing in this show. Also I disagree somewhat with her parenting. Just a bit. 

Gamagoori x Mako 4 canon apparently, this actually sorta weirds me out, but hopefully it'll be funny.

Good thing Satsuki is around to bring the drama.   
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on February 20, 2014, 01:05:56 PM
Episode 19:

..................Shit's ****ed
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on February 20, 2014, 01:22:55 PM
19:

(http://i.imgur.com/Kec5a45.gif)

what an entrance

(http://i.minus.com/ibykDswVqOndo7.gif)

Naked Ninja Nonon. I approve of this development

GamaMako is officially canon. Ragyo can't go without touching her daughters for two seconds can she?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 20, 2014, 04:18:22 PM
I should add, Mako's mom + Miksugi's junk = O_O
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on February 20, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
shippers are probably jumping the gun here. Mako's obliviousness makes this a one-sided situation.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on February 20, 2014, 04:57:52 PM
19:

I was waiting for something like this. Grittiness, established sides, and nothing else but a long brawl ahead of us. But man, did Satsuki actually chop off her toenail, or did she have that replaced in the past? I kinda cringed there.

I should add, Mako's mom + Miksugi's junk = O_O

I chuckled a bit when I noticed she was edging closer to him during that scene.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 20, 2014, 05:59:02 PM
19: This episode was pretty fun until the end. Seriously Ryuko what is with your random angst? I thought you already accepted life fibers as being equal to you, but the second your one your like nope nope. Hopefully this is better explained in the next episode or just ends as fast as it began.

Anyway ass-spanking ragyo....seriously wtf? And lawl at her dads transformation, yeah that was...very odd but funny.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on February 20, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
Ryuuko just started the "my life is a lie!" arc, so it's expected. 

Also, I was expecting a joke about 4 lights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_eSwq1ewsU

I think Satsuki has some form of Life Fiber-cutting blade as a fake toe-nail.  But, yeah, Ragyo's parenting leaves a lot in question.  Though Trigger definitely made a very good villain.  Evil Romi Park is pretty good, as well.

Oh, and was that a Terminator reference at the beginning with the boys and the food?  I could swear there's a scene like that in one of the Terminators.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on February 20, 2014, 09:16:46 PM
19:
Well Ragyou is just a bitch isn't she...? Romi Paku can do deliciously evil with the best of them.

I admit I didn't see the small time-skip coming, even though I probably should. I still really like Satsuki too. She has a new plan for every failure. She's basically Aizen, except she makes sense. Soichirou being Isshin wasn't too much a surprise either.

I'll echo hyperknees sentiments on Ryuuko. Her "I hate you now Senketsu" just came completely out of the blue. And I quite don't understand her logic at the moment.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on February 20, 2014, 10:20:08 PM
In regards to Ryuko's Senketsu hate, I'm going to trust in Trigger on this one and figure its more of a hate directed at herself.  Ragyo flat-out told Ryuko, "hey girl, we are like the exact same.  I haz the life fiber body, you gotz the life fiber body.  I pulled a Marie Antoinette and came out peachy-keen, you had a Kali Ma done on yourself and you just put that sucker back inside ya like it was nothing. Also, guess what, your whole life was a lie and possibly your only reason for surviving was to eventually face your own mother."  I believe Ryuko is going through a complete identity crisis and perhaps hates herself for it, especially having Ragyo as an example of who you are.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on February 20, 2014, 10:36:31 PM
In regards to Ryuko's Senketsu hate, I'm going to trust in Trigger on this one and figure its more of a hate directed at herself.  Ragyo flat-out told Ryuko, "hey girl, we are like the exact same.  I haz the life fiber body, you gotz the life fiber body.  I pulled a Marie Antoinette and came out peachy-keen, you had a Kali Ma done on yourself and you just put that sucker back inside ya like it was nothing. Also, guess what, your whole life was a lie and possibly your only reason for surviving was to eventually face your own mother."  I believe Ryuko is going through a complete identity crisis and perhaps hates herself for it, especially having Ragyo as an example of who you are.

I'm going with this, too. Even if Ryuuko once said that her and Senketsu are equals, that was when she had an idea of herself as a normal human. She was already hesitating on the stuff Mikisugi was telling her about her father, and now she finds herself thrown into the middle of this huge family dilemma while having her heart literally ripped out in front of her. Satsuki at least had time to steel herself for the inevitable strike against Ragyo, while Ryuuko's been pretty blind to everything.

Which reminds me... there has to be something more to the music than pissing Ryuuko off. I mean yeah, it woke her up, but it seemed like a mass reaction to them pulling Mako out of a Cover. And Ragyo has something brewing, too.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 21, 2014, 01:07:35 AM
Just like any highschooler, Ryuko is mad and spewing nonsense because of it. I wouldn't take her too seriously, nor expect this little problem to last.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Gadget on February 21, 2014, 10:46:49 AM


Oh, and was that a Terminator reference at the beginning with the boys and the food?  I could swear there's a scene like that in one of the Terminators.

The first Terminater movie. Kyle Reese was sleeping and he had a dream when he come back from petrol. Then the Termininater came in and kill everyone.

Ira Gamagoori having a crush on Mako. The Mankanshoku family will suck him dry. Poor guy. I start to pity him already. Already father Mankanshoku already does not fear him. Barazo Mankanshoku did stand up to him befor the cultural and sports festival.

Using humans like an Duracell battery, that's sounds very 'Matrix'.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Aeshma on February 21, 2014, 01:42:52 PM
She´ll get over it next episode.

Also, her dad being her actual dad is like the best twist ever.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on February 22, 2014, 08:10:22 PM
19:

You know, among all the revelations and plot twists in the show, while people would probably talk more about the real identity of Matoi Isshin, what I find to be a pleasant surprise is how Gamagoori is the one most worried about Mako, when he's the one who's always picking on her the most in the earlier episodes.

That's kinda sweet.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on February 22, 2014, 08:37:38 PM
19:

Just waiting for the first time Ryuko calls Satuski "Onee-sama!".  I wonder if it'll make Satsuki's skin crawl.

Also, Mama Makanshoku couldn't take her eyes off Mikisugi's junk.  Pay attention to every scene he's in with them, she's always looking right at it without wavering once.

Also, Mako's Makos, that's all.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 23, 2014, 06:53:00 AM
19:

You know, among all the revelations and plot twists in the show, while people would probably talk more about the real identity of Matoi Isshin, what I find to be a pleasant surprise is how Gamagoori is the one most worried about Mako, when he's the one who's always picking on her the most in the earlier episodes.

That's kinda sweet.

Mako will be open minded enough to appeal to his masochistic side in a hilarious fashion if it works out for him. Funny enough these 2 are my favorite characters in the show so I'll root for them all the way even if nothing comes out of it.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 27, 2014, 08:44:53 PM
20:

Yep this show is still really sick
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on February 27, 2014, 08:55:57 PM
20:

... Man. This episode was pretty exhilarating. I got nothing else to say except for that.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on February 27, 2014, 09:41:17 PM
20:

Jesus Goddamn Christ...On a more intelligible note, this episode they really pulled out all the stops with the music, like 3 completely new tracks, one of which I know had only a fraction of it actually played.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Gadget on February 28, 2014, 11:34:00 AM
20.

So SICK!!!
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on February 28, 2014, 11:57:04 AM
20:

(http://i.imgur.com/TA2BtLp.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/AOFJLUl.png)
figured now would be a good time to post pics of Ryuuko Kiryuin and Satsuki Matoi that I found a couple weeks back
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on February 28, 2014, 03:42:19 PM
Looks pretty awesome
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on February 28, 2014, 03:54:07 PM
20:
It's times like this where Satsuki should have been the main character. Ryuuko remains an okay character but she's routine and predictable. And in a show like Kill la Kill, Ryuuko seems pretty meh.

Another decent episode, even if having Ryuuko and Satsuki fight each other again is starting to risk becoming a little rote.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 28, 2014, 06:28:41 PM
20: Think I might put this show on hold and wait until its done. Who knows I might be done with it. Just kinda lost interest.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on February 28, 2014, 07:51:46 PM
I cannot compute hyperknees. Y U do this to me. I dun unnerstandddd

But seriously, what's not to like?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 28, 2014, 08:42:31 PM
I dunno, I dropped Gurren Lagann at around episode 19 as well. Something about both these shows doesn't click for me for whatever reason. I think I went over in my head why I don't like either show very much, but I dunno if it makes a lot of sense. Therefore eh, I guess they just weren't for me.

Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on February 28, 2014, 08:57:51 PM
I'm probably going to give this show a 10, hyperknees.

I'm afraid our opinions are radically different.

Then again, I can't really get into Jojo, so I guess I can see where you're coming from. With some shows, they either click with you or they don't.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on March 01, 2014, 08:29:14 AM
Yeah I think that's all it really comes down to. I mean I love Jojo, One Piece, Sengoku Basara, yet don't like Kill la Kill or TTGL. It doesn't really make much sense to me either. Especially considering I usually love any and all shounen action shows. Maybe I'm just watching it with the wrong mindset (certainly done it before).

Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on March 01, 2014, 11:53:06 AM
I think I'm on hyperknees's side here; this show is just too scatterbrained to amount to anything.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 01, 2014, 01:13:09 PM
I think I'm on hyperknees's side here; this show is just too scatterbrained to amount to anything.

What would it ever have to amount to? This show is great because it's not trying to amount to anything grand. It's pure-hearted fun. You won't find many other shows that know how to enjoy themselves for what they are like this elsewhere.

I'd be more passionate in my defense, but explaining why I love this show so much would take forever. Plus, it's just my point of view; you're not going to get it or agree with it even if I spell it out completely. So I don't really see a point in trying to justify my opinion. I just adore this show.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 01, 2014, 01:17:08 PM
I actually think that, as of episode 17, Kill La Kill gets to the point quicker than pretty much every other show airing, and the points it makes are hilarious, intense, and exciting. Recent plotlines have been blown through like there's a rocket sled involved, and yet I feel all of them were handled with grace and skill.

The show also has 0 pretentiousness, and knows what the audience (or at least me) wants to see. A good example is during the latest fight between Ryuko and Nui, there's a scene where it's just them talking with a disembodied sword swinging in the air. At this point, we know who Nui is and we've seen her fight multiple times; what we (or is it just me?) want to know is Nui's perspective on the sister business, not more fighting. And it's what we got.

The last thing I'll point out is that Kill La Kill packs in huge amounts of clever details into their visuals. An example from this week's episode is how paper Ragyo's expression changes as she gets slashed; you get the impression that she's enjoying provoking Ryuko, or seeing her fighting ability, or just likes getting hit.

So while Kill La Kill does have a lot of random craziness (I live on WTF), I actually think it's rather intricate, and definitely well-made.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on March 01, 2014, 05:02:08 PM
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What would it ever have to amount to? This show is great because it's not trying to amount to anything grand. It's pure-hearted fun. You won't find many other shows that know how to enjoy themselves for what they are like this elsewhere.


Like I said before, I find the show to be too quick to shift in its tones. It will quickly go from being serious and intense then quickly be incredibly silly at the blink of an eye. It's hard to really figure out how to feel when watching this mainly. I think its because things don't transition too well because of how fast paced the show tries to be. I just don't know how I'm suppose to feel when watching this show. So I guess that prevents immersion to some degree. 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 01, 2014, 05:04:05 PM
You're supposed to feel like WOAH MAN EVERY IS SO RAD IM HAVING A BLAST WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on March 01, 2014, 05:16:32 PM
Yeah then perhaps I'm really the wrong audience for this show then. The mentality of

"Now an intense scene"
2 minutes later..
Now a funny scene, start laughing
2 minutes later
Back to the intense scene, start getting pumped again
2 minutes later
Now an awkward scene, start feeling weird

Is a little all over the place for me. I'm not really against the use of slight comedy in an intense scene as long as its not too immersion breaking, but yeah. Obviously it's a little too high in energy for me.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 01, 2014, 05:47:09 PM
Yeah then perhaps I'm really the wrong audience for this show then. The mentality of

"Now an intense scene"
2 minutes later..
Now a funny scene, start laughing
2 minutes later
Back to the intense scene, start getting pumped again
2 minutes later
Now an awkward scene, start feeling weird

Is a little all over the place for me. I'm not really against the use of slight comedy in an intense scene as long as its not too immersion breaking, but yeah. Obviously it's a little too high in energy for me.

The show basically teased you to go with the flow as early as the first episode of the series. There's no Little Buster's/Madoka style plot twist to make the story grand or thought provoking. It's not setting up for a large-scale wonder, so it has liberties to choose whatever tone it wants because if you got the message early on, you're not going to be overly bothered by it. If you're concerned over the chaotic structure of the series, you're definitely not the intended audience. Yes, Kill la Kill has technical flaws. No, they aren't a big deal.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on March 01, 2014, 06:59:19 PM
I have to say that's a pretty accurate description of the pacing, but I personally like it. I can see why people would be pushed off by it, though. The rapid-fire nature of KLK would make it seem scattered at times.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on March 01, 2014, 07:01:48 PM
Kill La Kill has the odd tone change from Gurren Lagann amplified by 10.  Gurren Lagann loved to mess with tone at times and really confuse you.  You could go from triumph, to fear, and then to hate all in one episode.  KLK actually does that, just a lot more per certain episodes.  I think it took what Gurren Lagann did and ran with it for the full effect.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 01, 2014, 10:44:16 PM
18-19: Okay, yeah. I'll admit. There are times where the show can be rather unimpressive. Sometimes the energy found in the earlier parts of the series doesn't really work in some of these parts. I love Mako, too, but her interventions don't really succeed in lightening the mood like they used to. Nowadays, it feels like she's just reiterating the events going on in front of her. It's a bit annoying, considering she's the focus of the ending theme song, which implies she's an important character in this second half. But I'm not seeing it. She's less of a focal point right now than she was last season.

20: But this is still damn good. The characters, especially Satsuki, are so damn fun to watch. I'd go as far to say that Satsuki's one of the best characters this season. Her decisions, her motivation, and her spirit really separate her from vast majority of other characters in her position. Instead of taking the characters and making them completely typical, Kill la Kill takes the tropes that would have been typical and makes them something unique, still keeping the heart of the trope to begin with. It can pull this off just because the show has so much lighthearted energy around it. And Satsuki/Ryuko role reversal? I think I'm going to orgasm.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 01, 2014, 11:27:26 PM
I feel like the people behind Kill La Kill don't even know what tropes are. They just have ideas.

EDIT: Just realized something. Nui can recover from getting her heart torn out. Why is her eye gone? 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on March 02, 2014, 05:21:50 AM
I think she became full-life fiber after she had the eye put out.  She possibly can't regain that back since it was already gone.   
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on March 02, 2014, 03:03:04 PM
She said the difference between her and Ryuko was that Ryuko was life-fiberized in Ragyo's womb while she was grown directly from a life fiber womb so I think she was life-fiberized from the start? And I guess her eye never healed probably because Matoi Isshin's scissor blade was made for cutting life fibers
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 02, 2014, 04:10:58 PM
She just got stabbed with that though, wound closed up just fine. :?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on March 02, 2014, 05:20:41 PM
You guys are thinking too hard.  This show is about style and rule of cool.  Considering how many whacked out things you've already seen, you really shouldn't care that much about this.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 02, 2014, 06:00:24 PM
I actually think it's intentional. My current guess is that joining the two halves of the scissors makes it screw with life fibers more.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on March 02, 2014, 06:32:53 PM
Yeah, just keeping an eye out for any hints they leave around, not complaining over an inconsistency or anything. That was the guess I was about to offer as well, except the fact that Isshin had one half skewering his body and had to use the other to slash her eye.

Some more rambling speculation, but her possibly being a doll (well she kinda already is a life fiber doll) might also be some sort of clue, as during that fight, some kind of saliva/stuffing-like fell out of her mouth and her eyepatch looks more like it's sewn on; also Senketsu noting that her hands are too cold or her moving in 2d.
An interesting tidbit I read was that her eyepatch is apparently from the characters "Nui" (ヌイ) combined though idk some say it's 子 which means child in Chinese and Japanese. And idk whats with this show and eyepatches but on another side note, senketsu has one (after isshin?) and junketsu doesn't; perhaps saving up for a limiter later lol?

But anyway, it is weird that her eye isn't healed. Maybe she leaves it as a reminder or something like that.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Major Tom on March 03, 2014, 12:15:18 AM
There might be something important to the fact that Isshin was holding onto the red blade when he slashed Nui, but I think it has more to do with the colours of the blades.  Isshin slashed Nui with the purple half, whilst Ryuko stabbed her with the red.  Perhaps the purple blade has more to do with inhibiting regeneration than the red.  I'd agree with Madrid King that the two halved have to be joined to destroy life fibres.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on March 03, 2014, 12:51:22 AM
20:

Ryuuko and Satsuki switching uniforms? Wow.

And, if anyone hasn't realized, Mankanshoku serves as the resident tension breaker... for better or worse.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Gadget on March 03, 2014, 07:34:47 AM
20.

Things to bring to cover Lady Satsuki after rescuing her. Item 1. High heels shoes. Item 2. Cloak.

Senketsu was built to respond to Ryuuko DNA. If Satsuki can wear it, does that mean that she still got enough sisterly DNA for Senketsu to bound?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on March 03, 2014, 04:06:37 PM
Isshin slashed Nui with the purple half, whilst Ryuko stabbed her with the red.  Perhaps the purple blade has more to do with inhibiting regeneration than the red.
Indeed, I didn't recall the color but that's an interesting point.

I'd agree with Madrid King that the two halved have to be joined to destroy life fibres.
Hehe.. Madrid... ;D.
1/2 scissors GATTAI! But yeah, waiting for their combining to impress in the end, and maybe it's uniting might even be used just for screwing Ragyo over.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 03, 2014, 07:21:54 PM
I think it's time for an ironic joke

Changing profile pic now.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 03, 2014, 07:28:31 PM
I think it's time for an ironic joke

Changing profile pic now.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Major Tom on March 04, 2014, 02:12:25 AM
Huh, well that's embarrassing.  I think I've always added that extra d when reading Marid King's posts.  Oh well, ole?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on March 04, 2014, 03:05:37 AM
17-20:

Let me get this out straight, show. I don't like your ambitions. I don't like your methods. I don't like how you're content to run in the same circles, only faster and shinier and louder. I don't like how you refuse to settle the hell down and stop making a joke out of your story. I certainly don't enjoy your fight scenes at all. You've got four episodes left, and I don't think there is anything 'organic' about the way you've gotten here, nor is there any way I think you can make those last episodes memorable. You have some of the best visual direction I have ever seen, and a stylistic panache that puts the majority of anime out there to shame, but as a package, I enjoyed a show like Gundam 00 more than I did you. You? You're just another comedy. Are you really satisfied with that?

That said, when, halfway through that 20th episode, the Four Devas, which you've Vegeta'd thoroughly over the past few episodes had that epiphany about Satsuki's intentions, and Sanageyama blurted out 'the enemy waits in Honnouji' while everyone was holding it in, I had to hand it to you. You're good, show, really good. You've got a ton of personality, and you're full of thoroughly lovable personalities who will never amount to anything.

One last thing before you fly charging into the final run, show. I know it's too late, but...
...don't lose your way.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on March 04, 2014, 01:52:44 PM
17-20:

Let me get this out straight, show. I don't like your ambitions. I don't like your methods. I don't like how you're content to run in the same circles, only faster and shinier and louder. I don't like how you refuse to settle the hell down and stop making a joke out of your story. I certainly don't enjoy your fight scenes at all. You've got four episodes left, and I don't think there is anything 'organic' about the way you've gotten here, nor is there any way I think you can make those last episodes memorable. You have some of the best visual direction I have ever seen, and a stylistic panache that puts the majority of anime out there to shame, but as a package, I enjoyed a show like Gundam 00 more than I did you. You? You're just another comedy. Are you really satisfied with that?

That said, when, halfway through that 20th episode, the Four Devas, which you've Vegeta'd thoroughly over the past few episodes had that epiphany about Satsuki's intentions, and Sanageyama blurted out 'the enemy waits in Honnouji' while everyone was holding it in, I had to hand it to you. You're good, show, really good. You've got a ton of personality, and you're full of thoroughly lovable personalities who will never amount to anything.

One last thing before you fly charging into the final run, show. I know it's too late, but...
...don't lose your way.

Kill la Kill reminds me of various other shows that Aniplex has contracted out to other studios like Valvrave or Star Driver.  You can really see the difference between something like your 00 example where its a studios own project vs a Valvrave where its contract work.  The shows usually end up being pretty exciting and cool but it always has this feeling like the goal is to have just as much stuff happening and as zany and frenetically as possible to fill enough episodes without worrying about the details of how well it all comes together.  Its like its stuff that just lacks genuine heart or passion or that complete package feeling.  Hard to describe but yeah this show has sort of fallen off compared to the likes of stuff like Gundam Build Fighters for me which has several times the overall production values and is true to the legacy of its franchise while at the same time its own thing.  The characters are about as hot blooded and its all about having good fun but it just feels like its had more focus and care put into it overall.

I think Kill la Kill might have actually been better when it wasn't trying to have an ongoing plot and just being wacky and experimental cause its just not particularly great at it.  Not bad but certainly not great.  If there is a really big minus to be had though it continues to be the music.  I remember Sawano being announced really late for the show and now I'm starting to think he was a last minute decision for the show Aniplex called on board because he's a popular name and he came up with some stuff really quickly for it.  It just doesn't feel like it really fits with the show and its hard to explain.  Like there's just no effort to make it fit with the scenes like I see in a lot of other shows in how the scenes are directed.  Its just sort of always there grinding away in the background in all its loud genericness but at least I've kind of learned to tune it out now.  It also saddens me to learn that this is also what a lot of people consider to be really exceptional and great music when it comes to stuff composed for anime.  I guess its just really accessible and has that cool factor to it, but for me it really is just a bunch of noise.  Like if the show itself is a B- overall the music is probably a very generous C-

TL;DR:  I continue to feel that a lot of Aniplex originals of late are sustained by hype and being as up in your grill as possible as opposed to being genuinely good and forging a connection with the audience through consistent writing and long term developments of concepts, ideas and characters and while quite often this makes for serviceable blockbuster entertainment it just kind of feels soulless if not outright disingenuous at the end of the day for it.  Its like they're trying to copy the Sunrise formula but lack that studios producers seemingly magic ability to get the utmost out of its projects respective staffs (see Sawano and Unicorn) even with equally ludicrous sounding concepts on paper such that the show ends up more than the sum of its parts reasonably often.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on March 06, 2014, 06:57:00 PM
21:
Well that was violent. And people said there was no mother/daughter incest in this show. Never doubt Japan's capacity to do stuff like that.

Can't say I exactly saw Mako being the solution coming. Although it makes sense thematically. Now I just need to know how the heck that happened.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 06, 2014, 07:56:46 PM
21: This is why I love you, Kill la Kill.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 06, 2014, 08:02:04 PM
21:

The implication that Ragyo makes out with Nui doesn't even surprise me at this point. She is the worst kind of self-indulgent monster there is.

I actually feel like the crazy train that we've been on since episode 17 has finally started to slow down. It would have been amazing if things just kept getting better, but I guess even these guys have a limit.

That said, this is still really interesting. In particular I'm slowly starting to pick up on that line about Junketsu being a wedding dress, and ... Ryuko being trapped in a mental wedding. Yeah. I'm definitely not the brightest guy around.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on March 06, 2014, 08:33:45 PM
21:

(http://i.imgur.com/eUTKJlm.gif)
Someone get Ryuuko an adult
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on March 06, 2014, 10:04:01 PM
21: 

First off, Senketsu's eye patch is definitely a power limiter as show in the opening credits when he's got both eyes.  Secondly, I can really see (and hope) that someone makes a fighting game out of this.  You have a wide range of characters already, plus a ton of different costumes, I think it could work.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on March 08, 2014, 07:16:59 PM
21:

It's obvious to everyone but this show isn't about storyline or plot development anymore; it's just about cranking up the instensity by a notch for every new episode. That's why I'm not surprise to see people loving or hating this show by now; it's not about the writing anymore, anyway.

That being said, Ryuuko telling Satsuki that the latter is only telling Senketsu orders instead of working with him reminded me of one thing: how does Junketsu feel about all this? Does he not talk at all, or is he keeping quiet for some reason all this time?Are we gonna see him talk eventually?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on March 08, 2014, 07:54:41 PM
21:

I can't help but feel kinda bad for the rest of the cast here. We're getting to the last stretch as everything pans out for the main characters, and I'm still wondering what everyone else will accomplish here. The spectacle's certainly nice, but it hurts to see Tsumugu get jobbed so horribly,

Are we gonna see him talk eventually?

Junketsu seems a bit torn up at the moment.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on March 13, 2014, 07:11:45 PM
22:

With all the stakes being raised and everything blazing by so fast recently, this was surprisingly slow. Of course, they likel wanted to have one last calm moment before the final fight, but it sticks out when everything's been on full acceleration up until now.

Admittedly, I'm not as into it as I was before. I guess that the end of a wild ride is always going to be the worst part.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 13, 2014, 07:34:38 PM
22:

With all the stakes being raised and everything blazing by so fast recently, this was surprisingly slow. Of course, they likel wanted to have one last calm moment before the final fight, but it sticks out when everything's been on full acceleration up until now.

Admittedly, I'm not as into it as I was before. I guess that the end of a wild ride is always going to be the worst part.

Sure, but I didn't really mind it. Kill la Kill is just doing what it always does. Whatever the hell it wants.

One complaint, though, I thought it was implied that the challenger of the first episode died? Why is he alive, here, then?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on March 13, 2014, 08:41:41 PM
22:
Satsuki is just so much better character than Ryuuko in just about every single way. In a way, this whole show sometimes feel more about her character development instead. It certainly comes about much more natural than Ryuuko. Such a shame she set up so much death flags this episode.

And yes, Bancho Mako is back in action!
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Gadget on March 13, 2014, 10:37:56 PM

One complaint, though, I thought it was implied that the challenger of the first episode died? Why is he alive, here, then?

No one really die, except Isshin Matoi. I though they were dismissed from the clubs. I think it;s a way to complete the circle.

22.
Pulling out some cliques. Ryuko's transformation is more like Gundam or Mask Raider. Not the usual way of showing how the cloth transform. Gamagoori, with the large suction tubes, looks like Macross's VB-6 Koenig Monster.
Some sobs moments. And the biggest crybaby is Senketsu.
Trying to put some emotion in this episode. Not the best way, but in some crazy way, it did work. It does make KLK more than a slash and heck series.

And GO Mako GO!
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: pryose on March 13, 2014, 11:20:04 PM
I wonder if anyone will die at all
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 13, 2014, 11:34:56 PM
22:

Good way to tie up loose ends, now we can basically head to the ending with no regrets.

I also got my awkward sister bonding scene, and no doubt their relationship will develop further as they fight Ragyou. But I really hope they become something more interesting than just bash bros; maybe this could be attended to in the epilogue?   
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on March 14, 2014, 09:49:48 PM
22:

So basically, everything's in place for the finale. Can't believe there will be any more plot twists from now on.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on March 14, 2014, 10:12:28 PM
22:

So basically, everything's in place for the finale. Can't believe there will be any more plot twists from now on.

1 minute left in the series and the butler will reveal himself to have been Isshin Matoi the ENTIRE time.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on March 15, 2014, 10:08:24 AM
22:
Satsuki is just so much better character than Ryuuko in just about every single way. In a way, this whole show sometimes feel more about her character development instead. It certainly comes about much more natural than Ryuuko. Such a shame she set up so much death flags this episode.

And yes, Bancho Mako is back in action!

Yeah this most recent episode in particular shows how she actually had to grow as a character for sure yeah.  Ryuko almost feels more like a plot device in comparison that just happens to be the key to countering the Life Fibers simply via birthright.  Then again everything in this show kind of tends to happen spontaneously and because it's cool and crazy while she's sort of been the one constant that always seems to deadpan through everything so maybe that's part of it too. 

Loved that whole scene with them during the sunset that surprisingly de-escalated when Satsuki finally cast aside her pride.  Sometimes tempered "personality" is better than overwhelming glowing "personality".  This show has it's short comings some obvious like the uneven animation quality which was a given going in and some not as foreseen like the music and the questionable pacing of the first arc but overall I think the result has been largely good entertainment and some amusing if probably not so memorable characters as I was expecting early on save for Satsuki and her dangerous hime cut.  Yeah always bet on the character with the hime cut to be the best female in any given show, it pretty much continues to never fail these days.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Truna on March 17, 2014, 01:26:50 PM
@ShadowpulseKDH

If Soroi proves to be plot-relevant in any way, I will impale myself on Ryuko's blades in the next episode along with Nui and her trashy uniform.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on March 17, 2014, 11:18:51 PM
@ShadowpulseKDH

If Soroi proves to be plot-relevant in any way, I will impale myself on Ryuko's blades in the next episode along with Nui and her trashy uniform.

He's going to be their uncle or something.  Maybe grandfather.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on March 18, 2014, 11:58:44 PM
21-22:

You know, it feels really awful when, one episode ago, they were trying to hammer home how Nudist Beach & Co. are so short on options by pointing out their logistical problems, and in the next, they pull out a bazillion vacuum-tube things from nowhere. Its small plot points like this that keep invalidating the content from previous episodes that make it so hard to take this show as anything other than an exercise in madness and experimental animation.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Gadget on March 19, 2014, 04:26:34 AM
I though one of the rich kid paid everything, inculding the new ship, which may get trash in a few weeks time.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on March 19, 2014, 08:26:31 AM
The S.S. Naked Sun(amazing name, btw) supposedly 'took every last penny of the Takarada Comglomerate to finish'. Mikisugi's words.

The Vacuum Tube thing[Super Suction Saver(SSS)] was made by Iori, but in the same episode they mention that they didn't have available facilities because Satsuki blew them all up in the battlefield trip, and that Satsuki's bastions of resistance had fallen, one and all. Where they got mass production facilities, then, is from the rulebook of cool. Again.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on March 20, 2014, 08:53:15 PM
So is Satsuki more of an Onee-Santo Ryuko or an Aniki?  I can't really decide.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on March 20, 2014, 09:01:01 PM
23:
Now that was pretty epic. Unfortunately I felt there was something lacking in the first ten minutes or so, but the episode picked itself nicely. Still Kill la Kill hasn't taken any 10/10s from me.

9/10 by the way...
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 20, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
23: Huff... huff... only one episode left. What will I ever do without this show airing?

Last episode. Give it all you've got, Kill la Kill.

Oh, and Mako is waifu. Do not steal.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on March 20, 2014, 09:21:18 PM
23:

I'm going to feel a bit hollow when this anime comes to an end, but boy has it been a marvelous ride.  The closing of the credits on this episode were great as well, basically saying "Good job" to TRIGGER and telling them to fight on. 

One question though, what is the deal with the other chick?  Ragyo is batshit insane sexual DIVA, Nui is crazy and is overjoyed with how crazy she is, and the other girl is what?  As far as I can tell she is like the VP of sales and serves as a power source for the Bigass Kamui.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on March 20, 2014, 10:45:38 PM
23:

I can't help but feel like there's some missed potential at this point, but damn this episode was pretty intense. Now I'm left wondering if Ragyo is really going to be that huge or if that's just cool artistic license talking.

One question though, what is the deal with the other chick?  Ragyo is batshit insane sexual DIVA, Nui is crazy and is overjoyed with how crazy she is, and the other girl is what?  As far as I can tell she is like the VP of sales and serves as a power source for the Bigass Kamui.

She never did get much of a role, did she? Nui was always the Grand Couturier and had her own crazy personality, but Hououmaru didn't have anything other than those glasses. I don't even know what her sacrifice adds up to at the moment, either.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on March 20, 2014, 11:20:14 PM
Hououmaru will end up being Matoi and working against the robe from the inside.

What?  It could happen.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 20, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
23:

I'm a bit confused. Nui said the world would be covered in life fibers. How will that happen with the original life fiber dead?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on March 21, 2014, 11:01:38 AM
23: This was basically channeling Gurren Lagann with the fight there.  If you include the insane plot, crazy animation, music with a crazy tempo, and the ability to turn human spirit into pure power, you've basically got Gurren Laggan.  Of course, it's minus the power of spiral energy and the massive robots.  However, I think this episode was basically channeling the pure spirit and energy of Gurren Lagann. 

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, of course.  In this case, it's good.  It adds some crazy energy and finality that I think the show was missing for a bit there as it went through all of the exposition and plot.  All in all, not a bad episode.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Gadget on March 21, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
23:

 The closing of the credits on this episode were great as well, basically saying "Good job" to TRIGGER and telling them to fight on. 
.

Is this a make or break event for TRIGGER, or is a part of their weird way of saying it's coming to an end?

23: This was basically channeling Gurren Lagann with the fight there.  If you include the insane plot, crazy animation, music with a crazy tempo, and the ability to turn human spirit into pure power, you've basically got Gurren Laggan.  Of course, it's minus the power of spiral energy and the massive robots.  However, I think this episode was basically channeling the pure spirit and energy of Gurren Lagann. 

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, of course.  In this case, it's good.  It adds some crazy energy and finality that I think the show was missing for a bit there as it went through all of the exposition and plot.  All in all, not a bad episode.

As I said in an early post, no one really dies. But in TTGL, Kamina dies and it realy effect everyone. And it bring the MC up to a higher level. Just like how Maes Hughes death effect Roy Mustang and the Edward brothers.

Would it be better is someone really dies in Kill la Kill? Would it bring the 2 sisters into a higher level?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on March 21, 2014, 12:18:33 PM
So the irony in a show called kill la kill, no one dies he? Trigger trolling you right from the title.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 21, 2014, 12:58:12 PM
Actually, I'm pretty sure the name refers to wearing clothes or to cut something?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on March 21, 2014, 06:38:41 PM
23:  Of course, it's minus the power of spiral energy and the massive robots.  However, I think this episode was basically channeling the pure spirit and energy of Gurren Lagann. 


That brings up something that happened in the post-credits of the episode.  After Ragyo gives her monologue, her face kind of changes into a spiral during one of the scene changes.  Just thought it interesting.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on March 21, 2014, 07:01:34 PM
They could have done that for visual effect or some reference to the power of a spiral and it's energy.  Knowing this show, it could have been either.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Gadget on March 22, 2014, 12:35:54 AM
It's the power of the Rainbow. It's raiding on the power of EVIL MOTHERLY LOVE! And throw in wack job too.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: The Little King on March 27, 2014, 06:38:07 AM
23: This was basically channeling Gurren Lagann with the fight there.  If you include the insane plot, crazy animation, music with a crazy tempo, and the ability to turn human spirit into pure power, you've basically got Gurren Laggan.  Of course, it's minus the power of spiral energy and the massive robots.  However, I think this episode was basically channeling the pure spirit and energy of Gurren Lagann.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/1925324_816306641719452_1384874165_n.jpg)

I expected the references to be less subtle, even, honestly. Either way, my body is ready for the finale tonight.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on March 27, 2014, 12:45:50 PM
23: This was basically channeling Gurren Lagann with the fight there.  If you include the insane plot, crazy animation, music with a crazy tempo, and the ability to turn human spirit into pure power, you've basically got Gurren Laggan.  Of course, it's minus the power of spiral energy and the massive robots.  However, I think this episode was basically channeling the pure spirit and energy of Gurren Lagann.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/1925324_816306641719452_1384874165_n.jpg)

I expected the references to be less subtle, even, honestly. Either way, my body is ready for the finale tonight.
(http://i.imgur.com/nESWeAB.jpg)
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on March 27, 2014, 08:03:51 PM
24:

(http://i.imgur.com/PsOKFO1.jpg)
MakoGoori shippers get rekted
gave it a 7/10 btw.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 27, 2014, 08:36:12 PM
24:

It's... over...

It's... over...

IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER IT'S OVER -

Okay, that's going to get annoying.

How often do you find a show like Kill la Kill? Sure, it wasn't technically perfect, or grand, or thought provoking, I suppose I can see why this show isn't exactly everybody's cup of tea. It was certainly overhyped to an extent, and expectations are what they will be. I entered Jojo's Bizarre Adventure with a particular mindset and got burned; I came into this show with the same high expectations and was the only one who wasn't disappointed. Why was this ending so perfect to me? Because it's Kill la Kill. A show that did whatever it wanted and never pissed me off with what it did. Fullmetal Alchemist can be as ambitious and thought provoking as it wants to be. Hunter X Hunter can build as many layers on its writing as it wants to. Shinsekai Yori can tell an extremely compelling story and get away with its flaws. But, really, we forget something important about story-telling when we expect grand things: a story can be whatever it wants to be, as it is the product of imagination. And Kill la Kill heads into itself headstrong and confident, but never pretentious. How many shows can get away with being simple, unabashed fun to the point where pandering becomes another piece of the large, zany conglomerate of style that this show has? Kill la Kill is a piece of pure fun - and it does so by being what it wants to be. I have never grinned and laughed as much as I had done so watching Kill la Kill. This is to the point where I can understand where ImperialX says that Lucky Star is his greatest show of all time: The show itself does not hold the lessons in it to change his life; it is the pleasure derived from it.

10/10. I impatiently await Hiroyuki Imaishi and Trigger's next works. I will miss the show very much.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on March 27, 2014, 08:37:56 PM
24:

Damn.  Now THAT was some Gurren Lagann-esque shit right there.  I'm gonna hold off from giving a rating right now because I feel like knowing what I just watched was the last episode may impact it too much.

Anyways...just putting it out there but I would be completely down for a spin-off that deals with the characters of Kill La Kill just hanging around doing normal stuff.  The ending gave me a taste and I now I'm suddenly interested.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: pryose on March 27, 2014, 09:24:23 PM
10/10

Nothing more to say
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 27, 2014, 10:06:08 PM
24:

Humpf. To be honest, I feel that the final arc has been rather weak. The humor and antics mainly relied on stuff established in previous arcs, like Mako Hallelujah, or us being used to cold hearted and manipulative Satsuki. A notable exception was the general inappropriateness of everyone holding each other while naked to catch Ryuko. I pick on this because zany WTF humor and action was, for me, a big factor in what elevated this show from good to great, and in what allowed me to overlook a lot of the hand waving that was done as rule of cool. The early episodes of Kill la Kill were hilarious, what with strippers and neon pink nipples, and the middle portion had wild action, high stakes, and basically incest. The ending has been rather tame in comparison. At least I can say it's been reasonably well-crafted, with multiple parallels to past events, and little to no loose ends. But it's a shame that, at the time when it was most important for me to be saying "HOLY CRAP" and "WHAT THE F*CK", it's been mostly, "Oh, ha". 

If I were to guess at a cause, I would blame the overt spotlight focus on Mako, and blowing through all of their reveals and fuel midway through the series. I would also say that falling victim to the shounen law of making the protagonist the most powerful character at the end was a big mistake. Kill la Kill showed it could grab its audience and pump up the energy in a hundred fresh and exciting ways, so I deplore taking a path that's been done a hundred times, and which devalues 7 other main characters.

The series has had it's ups and downs, and while I feel it's ended on somewhat of a low note, it's been a wild and hugely entertaining ride, and one of the most memorable in recent memory. At it's best, Kill la Kill was intense and exhilarating, while still managing to eke out some hilarious incomprehensibility. 

I don't have the heart to give this an 8, but while this is a great show, I don't think I can call it one of the best. A low 9 seems fair.   
     
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on March 28, 2014, 12:59:50 AM
23 + 24:  Show did it's job and was good.  I think the difference between this and a lot of Aniplex projects that they hyped the shit out of late and why this one succeeded is primarily because it didn't make any bullshit promises like it was going to surpass x big franchise or just try to throw together every currently popular name in the business.  It was billed as a high energy "School battle action anime" (yeah) and that's essentially what we got aside from the school part which I am not even going to complain about for a second.  Plus the staff got to make the show they clearly wanted to make and have fun with it, especially during the first half which was kind of where the show was allowed to play around with some ideas and just go for wacky premises like that episode where the cast is going to be expelled if they are late for school and have to do a death race to the summit.  I felt the arc where Ryuko fought the Elite four one at a time was the weakest, but once the second half and main story got going it was pretty great too if nothing earth shattering in it's content.  What a crazy story though, clothes that want to take over the world and some slight commentary on vanity and the things that ought to matter like family and justice and such.  It's a serviceable if ridiculous even by anime standards plotline that gives the cast a reason to engage in balls to the walls fight scenes that the staff at Trigger make the most of with an often pretty limited budget most of which seemed to go into the last episode.

Couple of things that keep the score down a little are that I never really bought into the Nui Harime character who just seemed kind of annoying and like an obstacle to cause trouble for the crew which was redundant in the presence of Ragyo Kiryuin who did her job as arch villainess perfectly.  That's what a great action blockbuster villain should be like, loud and obnoxious but also cunning and diabolical so that hate them but also take them seriously as an antagonist and threat.  I feel that's something that a lot of action anime of late, particularly this season, have lacked, just a solid somewhat memorable antagonist who's demise you really relish seeing.  Anyway I just don't see what Nui Harime added in her role that couldn't have been filled by Ragyo alone unless the goal was to have her just turn out to be an extension of Ragyo.

The other as I've mentioned numerous times is the music.  Most of the time it was a distraction and really detracted from otherwise perfectly fine scenes by making me ask why the music was being so try hard and yet kind of not.  I end up thinking about why the music is so shitty and loud and doesn't really fit most scenes and that makes me like the show less which sucks.  Sawano's score here to me is just kind of the most obvious generic "epic" score of the kind that Hans Zimmer seems keen on pumping out only Hans Zimmer is kind of a much better composer ultimately.  His new score from the upcoming Aldnoah Zero which is in the trailer just sounds pretty much exactly the same as this one so at this point I'm pretty much ready to call in the autopsy on Sawano's career cause it just seems like he's so done now.  Not even John Williams is as played out as this guy has become and I just wish he'd take a break already and work on something else for a bit and come back when he wants to take this stuff seriously again.

On a more positive note I felt the main trio did their jobs well as a sort of Id (Ryuko), Ego (Satsuki), Superego (Mako) heroine team that also kind of served the roles of traditional hero, anti-hero and comedic hero.  Satsuki's hime cut ojou-sama character type is just money at this point, pretty much guaranteed to steal the show with their skill and will and more often than not provide the show with a good anti-heroine and some moral ambiguity.  They also seem to have a pretty high potential for growth among stock female anime character templates since everyone wants to see the arrogant royalty types get slowly but surely bumped down a peg only to learn a lesson in humility and not being a smug bitch.  Even without the growth she had though she still came across as the more complete and interesting heroine of the show and like her journey meant more in the end.  Ryuko was just kind of like every shonen action hero only a chick, but ultimately served as a grounding force for the whole idea of a good guys side.  I think a lot of what saves Ryuko for me and still makes her above average though was Ami Koshimizu's performance.  She can do gar screams with the best of them which made most of Ryuko's fights a treat to listen to.  Mako was just kind of Mako.  She could have easily just been some dumb moeblob that just acted cutesy all the time and would be in almost any other show, but the staff saw fit to make the sidekick actually hilarious and have her own set of character quirks that I can't help but argue are completely Mako and graduate her to an almost conceptual level.  Everyone who saw the show knows what I'm talking about, but it was pretty special.

A soft 8/10 seems fair for this show since my nitpicks are ultimately minor and it did a hell of a lot more than most shows are doing with the battle action premise these days by giving the feeling (minus Sawano) that the staff involved was taking the prospect of making an action show that would make the most of what the genre has to offer seriously instead of filling up more time with romantic comedy bullshit than drama and high octane scenes as is prone to happen a disturbing amount of the time.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Gadget on March 28, 2014, 03:36:26 AM
The ride's over. Was it good? HELL YESS. Was it GREAT? Well... maybe.
 
KS and Madrid King already summed up most of the thing I felt. And I'll dun want to write another essay.

 And finally Satsuki can stop being a bitch and be a real sister. I like the last part that she run and catch Ryuko. The way Trigger animate her features shows more of a worried sister. We are so used to her scrowl that its's almost refreshing. But everything gets over done here. I think in the end, what give everbody the strength is the family and friendship bonds.

I'm not sure about Ryuko forgiving Ragyo. Does she really want mother's lover. Or to show forgiveness because she's the good guy.

Big words that emphersis a point... I think only KLK does that. I wonder will it set a trend in other comedy series?

Ami Koshimizu did a good screaming. But the one bitch voice I'm really impress is Romi Park. She's not the screaming Edward Elric. She speaks with slow clear words, that drips with posion. And she display evil coolness that should and James Bond's villian melt.

Nui was all over the place being irritating. And being be evil and cute. And that make her even more irritating. Maybe she should be better and be as quite as  Ringo in No-Rin. Wait, the whole No-Rin is irritating.

Have to cool my mind now. I'll give a 8.5. I add a 0.5 because I like the ending credits. And the 'true'(?) Satsuki can be a sister to a troublesome immoto and her friend.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on March 28, 2014, 07:04:35 AM
Sad I couldn't get into it like everyone else did. I can't deny that I got some pulse pounding thrills out of it. But this show could've down without a main character whose development seemed so painfully cliche and repetitious at points. Satsuki was pretty great throughout though. She was characterized excellently with well explained motives and enough failings as a character to make her not feel Mary Sueish, and enough strength and control for her not to be relegated to the Job Squad like almost everyone else .

This finale seemed perhaps a bit cluttered as well. A bit too much NO THIS IS MY FINAL FORM NO THIS, and I found it a bit difficult to follow the explanations while they were being combined with pulse-pounding action so I just had to give it the benefit of a doubt and assume the show wasn't pulling stuff out of it's ass. Also they could've eased up a little on the insert songs to save them only for the epicest of epic moments.

What this show did just fine at was easing the wait for the new season Jojo's Bizarre Adventure HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on March 28, 2014, 07:21:39 AM
I think one of my problems was that this show's ending didn't have any finality to it.  The end of Gurren Lagann was great because we saw where all the characters ended and how the power of the spiral could be an amazing thing if used for good purposes, opposing the anti-spiral theory that the spiral is dangerous.  In this show, we saw her die, the world freed, and then they go shopping.  No information on all of the character's we've encountered at this point?  Do they still go to school? How as the island sunk?  What's the status of the elite 4?  I could go on and on.  It's not even mysterious for Simon, like in Gurren Lagann.  We see them go clothes shopping. It's cute but hardly satisfying.  The result is that the big baddie is defeated, then nothing.  There's just no satisfying end.

That's on top of my issue with the way that the story seemed to just no big conclusion.  We did see the the final battle, but I feel like the show expended all of it's energy and fell flat by the end.  Gurren Lagann had this really infectious ending that led you to believe in all of the characters.  They all hard a part in it somehow and we all saw their role.  What happened here?  All we saw was them giving up their clothing and then catching Ryuuko to save her from the terminal velocity fall.  (I also feel sorry for Satuski's feet.  That grinding couldn't be good for her skin.)  I just feel like everyone just did nothing.  It's like if Goku went super saiyan in Dragon Ball Z with everyone's power and they all just sat there and didn't even attempt to defeat the big baddy of the arc.  They only just sat there with a worried look and gave no attempts to even try.  I love Ryuuko as a main character, but she did not shine despite the show's attempt to build her up.  I wanted to follow Satsuki more than I wanted to follow Ryuuko.  An even better thing to see would Ryuuko and Satsuki somehow working together to defeat their mother.  What we saw was a ton of characters just sitting on the side because the show couldn't include them somehow.

I'm frustrated by how little I loved this ending.  It had all this build-up and it just fell flat for me.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on March 28, 2014, 07:36:36 AM
I think one of my problems was that this show's ending didn't have any finality to it.  The end of Gurren Lagann was great because we saw where all the characters ended and how the power of the spiral could be an amazing thing if used for good purposes, opposing the anti-spiral theory that the spiral is dangerous.  In this show, we saw her die, the world freed, and then they go shopping.  No information on all of the character's we've encountered at this point?  Do they still go to school? How as the island sunk?  What's the status of the elite 4?  I could go on and on.  It's not even mysterious for Simon, like in Gurren Lagann.  We see them go clothes shopping. It's cute but hardly satisfying.  The result is that the big baddie is defeated, then nothing.  There's just no satisfying end.

That's on top of my issue with the way that the story seemed to just no big conclusion.  We did see the the final battle, but I feel like the show expended all of it's energy and fell flat by the end.  Gurren Lagann had this really infectious ending that led you to believe in all of the characters.  They all hard a part in it somehow and we all saw their role.  What happened here?  All we saw was them giving up their clothing and then catching Ryuuko to save her from the terminal velocity fall.  (I also feel sorry for Satuski's feet.  That grinding couldn't be good for her skin.)  I just feel like everyone just did nothing.  It's like if Goku went super saiyan in Dragon Ball Z with everyone's power and they all just sat there and didn't even attempt to defeat the big baddy of the arc.  They only just sat there with a worried look and gave no attempts to even try.  I love Ryuuko as a main character, but she did not shine despite the show's attempt to build her up.  I wanted to follow Satsuki more than I wanted to follow Ryuuko.  An even better thing to see would Ryuuko and Satsuki somehow working together to defeat their mother.  What we saw was a ton of characters just sitting on the side because the show couldn't include them somehow.

I'm frustrated by how little I loved this ending.  It had all this build-up and it just fell flat for me.

I agree with you, having the entire cast leave their hopes in Ryuuko was something I was hoping they'd avoid. Again, I'm with you on the denouement feeling a bit weak. But hey, yuri ending at least. Hopefully the BD episode will better round out the conclusion instead of being a silly "Honnouji Academy conquers the beach for lulz" episode.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on March 28, 2014, 10:53:28 AM
Alright.  I give this series a 10/10 because my entire experience with anime would be lessened if this had never come out.  Furthermore, 10/10 exemplifies that it's one of the best out there, yet not perfect.  As some other people have pointed out, Kill La Kill is not perfect. Be it the music, Mako's performance, Ryuko's entire character, a couple of shonen tropes, etc.  But, to me these complaints are so minute because they are overshadowed by the adrenaline-fueled journey that KLK is.

I know that this shouldn't have much bearing, but another small detail that would positively affect this rating is that this is the debut anime series of a studio whose only previously notable endeavor was Little Witch Academia? Not to mention that the studio resulted to crowd-funding in order to get the second episode of that out. 

What I'm trying to say is that TRIGGER did not have a lot of money to make this thing work, as evidenced by cut-corners in the animation for a couple of episodes.  However, they still managed to churn this gem out on a weekly basis, albeit with a crap-ton of delays throughout. 

I'll end off with saying that to me KLK is better than Gurren Lagann.  Sure, Gurren Lagann was so over-the-top that entities were throwing galaxies like it was a Discus event, but in the end there were only 4 characters that I even remotely cared about.  In KLK, they gave each character their own spotlight and due attention so that when the ending rolled around, I felt a greater deal of closure than I did when watching the Gurren Lagann finale.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on March 28, 2014, 03:45:39 PM
I actually got less closure because of that, Shadow.  I did feel like each character had more of a spot light since this was a character driven show.  However, when you do make a character driven show, you have to make the ending satisfying.  They didn't even do an ending clip-show of what happened to everyone.  We don't see what any of them do after this whole affair.  All we get is that Satsuki likes to shop for clothing.  That's not even close to any form of closure.  How does Ryuuko adjust to not being human?  Do the elite 4 do anything special? Do they actually have to finish school?  What happened in a world without Revoc to make clothing?  Sure, they don't have to say what happened with every possible little question, but some more scenes, at the least, would be appreciated. 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on March 28, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
24:
It seems I'm destined to have opposite feelings of Kill la Kill from the majority, because I liked this ending. That being said, Gurren Lagann is definitely much better, both ending wise and series wise.

Now, I don't love Kill la Kill like a vast majority of you do proclaiming is the best thing to come out of anime in like ever (To be honest Space Dandy is the much better). Now I've heard the complaint "Well this wasn't trying to be Gurren Lagann, so your being ridiculous." (Not from this forum of course) But that isn't it. I don't love it, because it wasn't the next Gurren Lagann. I don't love it because the show had some serious flaws. And I don't buy it that they are not that minor that they don't matter either.

I might as well get the big elephant out of the room first. The fanservice. This is the only flaw that I won't back down on no matter what. It's bad. It really is. Now in concept most fanservice is usually unnecessary and bad, but the reason its more egregious in Kill la Kill is just how its done. The whole girl in revealing clothing while the crowd spurts out blood wasn't funny or good when it was done in the 70s and it most certainly wasn't funny or good today. There was also the whole fanservice is female empowerment thing that reared its ugly head in the beginning (Which thankfully was dropped by the middle) It honestly has to be the most sexist thing I've seen in quite a while and lets be honest guys, no ones fooling themselves into saying it isn't. And well, as I've already said I didn't need to see Ragyou being an incestual sexual molester, when all she needed to do to show she was completely insane was to try to kill her baby daughter when she couldn't help in her experiments.

Which I suppose leads me to the next problem which is Ragyou and Nui themselves. Now Romi Paku and Yukari Tamura are excellent seiyuu that could take any character and at least not bore me, but (And especially after an excellent antagonist in Satsuki) they are basically boring villains we've seen fifty million times. And honestly, whoever thought it was a good idea for Nui to be the only henchman (The other one whose name escapes me doesn't really count) needs to reevaluate themselves because having Nui do everything gets boring after the third time, let alone the fifth.

For the side characters, well at the very least I didn't hate anyone, but honestly I never really cared for most of them. The problem really was they were mostly used as comic relief and to get the crap beaten out of them the second they try to do something. How am I supposed to care about these character if they don't do anything noteworthy. This is another reason Gurren Lagann is much better. It felt like all the character actually mattered.

And of course there is Ryuuko. Now some people have called her unlikable (Again not here) and I don't agree. However, she is boring, and as a main character, that;s basically an unforgivable sin. She really never did anything that stood out and her moments of character development was basically the same exact thing, not to mention the second time (When she found out she was made of life fibers) was entirely contrived in every way. This is why Satsuki should really have been a main character and in a sense she felt like a main character too. In fact, next the Mako (Who to be honest was really only memorable for being funny), Satsuki was the best character in the show and might see her way into my favorite female characters. Also in fact, Ryuuko only really became compelling by what she meant to Satsuki (And Satsuki to her), when they were reveled to be sister (Those sister moments were also absurdly adorable too).

Finally there's the animation. Now I'm not faulting Trigger and Imashi for not having a budget. I am however faulting them for being unable to use it properly. People say, Kill la Kill would have been perfect with budget, but I'm skeptical about that. I wasn't personally bothered by the soundtrack, but I agree that it wasn't exactly great.

So I write a lot about Kill la Kills faults (And that's a lot of the show), but I'm still giving Kill la Kill a 7/10. It never completely bored me and (After the completely underwhelming life fibers were aliens) there were several plot points in the second half that did genuinely surprise me. And the first ten episodes or so were actually well executed. It's really the middle episodes that were the problem and in a sense Kill la Kill should probably have been a one cour show instead.

Well I look forward to Triggers next work. It's just unfortunate that they look like they already sold out with an LN adaption. Well, we'll see. (They probably sold out though :) )

About the ending, there still is a 25th extra episode so let's wait for that.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 28, 2014, 05:31:52 PM
I could say the same about Space Dandy: I believe that I could just as well say that it had the same kind of serious flaws - a lot moreso than Kill la Kill did. But if people enjoy the show enough to avoid getting bothered by it, there's probably a reason for that. What one person finds as a serious flaw is what other people might just find as little more than an annoyance. I will admit that I actually do have one or two big complaints with the way the show handled things. But if you look at it one way, Tsumugu is completely shafted from any real purpose in the series, and this is a serious problem to many because he doesn't get any development. The way I see it, he just shouldn't have been in the show to begin with - he didn't distract from the latter half of the series any more than Mako did at times.

If you didn't enjoy it, that's not your fault, but I don't really see any of those things as concrete problems. Kill la Kill basically set itself up as a wacky, nonsensical world where the characters were just over the top reiterations of the same type of idols from other similar shounen. It's not following the same rules that the real world does - the entire point is to take what we usually hate in anime and make it as fun as possible. The Life Fibers being aliens bit wasn't supposed to be shocking, and the side characters were never built to be any more than comic relief. And to be quite honest, I never found Ryuko to be boring as a main character. She might not have been particularly thought-provoking or unique, but there was that charm to her simple relationships with Mako and Senketsu that made it all the more endearing.

This might seem trite (even moreso since you could argue that I never truly made a rebuttal to your points), but I don't see why people couldn't justify that they thought it was one of the best things they'd ever seen in anime. People have justified that Steins;Gate was their greatest anime - that Kami Nomi Shiru Sekai, Gatchaman, or hell, even Valvrave was their greatest experience. I probably wouldn't be able to justify it in a way that would come through to those that disagree with me. And it's fine to disagree with me, but the best I can do to say why I love the show so much is to reiterate the Jojo's point once again: when there's a world that seems to have no rules, it feels like anything goes in these kinds of stories. It really just depends on you whether you're going to focus on world-building, the plotting, the fanservice of the series, or if you're just going to go along with the ride and have fun. But Kill la Kill is no more plagued by flaws than any other big show is, it's just a matter of what mindset you have when you go into it.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on March 28, 2014, 06:04:44 PM
24:

With the way they've been tiptoeing around the issue of people actually getting killed (hey Mako, hey Gama), I was really expecting Senketsu to be the one to go. I don't even know if Ragyou is considered a human anymore, so I guess she doesn't count. And what the hell was up with Rei? She gets swallowed up at the end of 23, then she gets spit out in 24 with no mention of her role in Ragyou's scheme. And while I guess I'm fine with the final confrontation and the ending, I felt like there was more to show or say besides the date, and I can only hope that extra episode gives us some more post-battle character focus. And with that, let's get into the final review.

I have to mirror MCAL's sentiments to an extent. While I'm more lenient on the fanservice issue (I would have taken more issue with Ragyou's... uh, skinship with Satsuki more than anything) and honestly don't mind Ryuuko despite her losing her way so many times, I have to say that things took a turn for the worse for everyone around the time they went into the Life Fiber alien stuff. I wasn't against the idea, but that dystopian, rebelling spirit I got from the first episodes was starting to fade. Most things were starting to become more predictable, the story seemed at odds with the direction it was going in the first cour, and I gradually began to lose interest despite how it maintained that same speed and intensity from before.

One of the biggest annoyances for me when looking this all over is Satsuki. I'm not saying Satsuki is a bad character here; technically speaking, she's the most enjoyable one in the cast on sheer accomplishments. But that's the problem. The problem with Satsuki - or rather, the problem with the writers - is that she ended up becoming this larger-than-life figure that took up too much space in a show with an interesting set of side characters that never got any attention beyond a minute or two of good screentime. Even the complaints about Ryuuko being boring or underdeveloped are because people place her next to Satsuki, who might as well be the only character worth a damn for the writers. How many times did we need to know that Satsuki had an ironclad will and resolve to fight? Ryuuko seems more in her element against Satsuki (loved those snide comments when she was wearing Junketsu), the Elite Four are basically dependent on her character-wise, Nudist Beach is made utterly irrelevant by her, Ragyou and Nui are more or less clockwork villains, albeit entertaining ones... I swear only Mako stands out in comparison just for being Mako. Again, this isn't me drawing issue over Satsuki being a good character, this is just me taking issue with how much the writers took away from the rest of the cast to make her stand out. She just reminds me of the wasted potential for character focus.

I'll try to be more positive now. For one thing, I like the music despite the complaints issued against it right now. Maybe it's because I haven't been overplayed on Sawano so far, but I really don't get the complaints about the soundtrack. I think Pebble said it best earlier when talking about how the grittiness of the music matched the series very well, but I genuinely like listening to some of these songs. And while we may be talking about Unicorn (which I'm not familiar with) and Titan (which I am) regarding his previous works, KLK's music reminds me of Sengoku Basara more than anything. Speaking of grittiness, I do like the style of the artwork, the animation, and that style the series kept with over time. It might have lost a bit of that rebellious edge, but it still kept its momentum. And while I did say the second half was disappointing, the first half was great for what it was. Simpler times back then.

Overall, I have to mirror MCAL again here when I give KLK a 7... it's very weak, but it's still a 7. I admit that most of my issues with KLK itself concern what it could have been and how it disappointed me, so I can't really give it a 6 in good conscience. It's still a step above what I'd give a 6 anyway, as it was still quite the ride even when the last portion couldn't keep it up.

And regarding the comparisons to Gurren Lagann, let me say that I won't make any. Well, maybe that part where Senketsu drilled through Ragyou or Gama shot energy faces out of his face chest were pretty GL-like, but I'll let KLK be itself.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on March 28, 2014, 06:11:57 PM
As for those displeased with the ending, here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0k3bW8_iY

May or may not help things a bit.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on March 28, 2014, 06:27:51 PM
24:

I might as well get the big elephant out of the room first. The fanservice. This is the only flaw that I won't back down on no matter what. It's bad. It really is. Now in concept most fanservice is usually unnecessary and bad, but the reason its more egregious in Kill la Kill is just how its done. The whole girl in revealing clothing while the crowd spurts out blood wasn't funny or good when it was done in the 70s and it most certainly wasn't funny or good today. There was also the whole fanservice is female empowerment thing that reared its ugly head in the beginning (Which thankfully was dropped by the middle) It honestly has to be the most sexist thing I've seen in quite a while and lets be honest guys, no ones fooling themselves into saying it isn't. And well, as I've already said I didn't need to see Ragyou being an incestual sexual molester, when all she needed to do to show she was completely insane was to try to kill her baby daughter when she couldn't help in her experiments.

The way I see it, the fanserivce wasn't that bad. Sure it started off as being really in your face about, but after not too long the humor surrounding it sort of died out. Suddenly lost of people were running around either almost-naked or just completely naked, and no one cared. That's when the nudity stopped being fanservice for me, I'd just simply gotten used to it. There was still some naughty humor in the second regarding how Mikisugi presents himself but that was the most of it really. Nudity was used much more of a plot device (resisting the life fibers) then it for giving boners. at the end of the day
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on March 28, 2014, 08:15:11 PM
24:

In hindsight, tame. Still of epic proportions, as is the overall show itself.
The ending was rather weak yes, but it was fitting imo. It was at least satisfying though the wrap-up seemed to lose some momentum (or its way?) in regards to setting its own concluding atmosphere apart from the usual end you see typically, however, this sort of ending was just like what KLK would do, which is to basically burn itself out in a blaze of hype and glory and not attempt to do what every other show does which is cutting to after-scenes to wrap up loose threads and attempting to explain their conclusion logically or in a totally complete way. KLK created nonsensical setting and goes by their own absurd rules that also make it unique at the same time. Their leaving them untied and using instead snippets of contrasting return-to-normalcy/slice of life was just their style and was fine by me, though the complaints are understandable though admittedly, the whole DBZ powering up effect of the episode wasn't the most original conclusion. In addition, I'll have to admit I was high on the hype coming off of it so after a whole day of a cool-down, it does seem to have lost a bit of the epic effect, however, on the whole I still think it was an acceptable end.

Harime Nui's demise was underwhelming. Ryuko didn't get to tear her into tiny pieces, take a flamethrower to it and burn those pieces, shred the pieces, and re-burn those bits. In fact, the whole cast certainly was not handled perfectly in hindsight and there was still room for potential to grow, with Satsuki as a prime example as well as a whole load of others that were shafted or sidelined like Tsumugu, Hououmaru or Inumuta. I will add though, that Satsuki's last stand as she caught Ryuko, (who was free-falling and then.. horizontally..) screaming with all her might, was pretty powerful and was satisfying to an extent. Anyway, Nui did lose some of her effect as a prolonged antagonist and Ryuko wasn't the most ground-breaking either, but her simple relationships as said before, were endearing indeed and Nui can't be denied to be interesting character. Also, don't forget that Mako could have stayed a sidelined, stereotypical comic relief cheerleader and yet they made the good decision to have her take an active role to some extent.

I thought they overdid the Ragyou incest bullshit though. Sure, sprinkle some of that in and its totally fine by me, but going overboard with it was unnecessary. I'd like to think they weren't actually trying to pander and were instead parodying fanservice itself by using it excessively like with the fanservice outfits and nudity, but it's questionable.

Also, I believe that Trigger's budget and overall feat even with cutting corners should be commendable, creating an intelligently-made series that didn't waste effort, time, money, on too many unnecessary things and that didn't make pitfall mistakes like many, many others before it did of which whom did things like pointless arcs resulting in loss of interest etc. or other mistakes. To me, it seemed KLK made sure to make pretty much every moment count and virtually every episode count, as even the recap was done smartly, a move I think that other series should learn from instead of the usual simple compilation in addition to slapping some 4-komas or something in between. Never boring. Entertainment at its finest. Also, the meanings or other hidden info embedded in the choices of names, designs, etc. etc. (naturals election? Yes. The Fashion of Facism? YES.) were extremely appealing at least for me. What they lacked in the budget, they made up in cleverness. For their animation and all this factored in, some forgiveness or at least leniency should be in order, I think. 

Leading on from that, the art direction was creative. I think they made the most out of their budget intelligently by at least focusing on the important parts of the visuals with a touch of imaginative design. The character designs were pleasingly drawn with personality, appealing, and memorable especially, as well as having some rather iconic designs or symbols like the goku stars, the rainbow hair, scissor blades, etc. the list goes on.
Seiyuus were superb, especially Satsuki and Romi Paku. The soundtrack was noisy indeed, and though I still think it was a bit over and not quite acceptable just because it was 'fitting' to the show's nature, there are some nice moments if only they would use it more sparingly for maximum effect. Also, Jakuzure again makes up for it in spite of her portion being small. But hey, just having straight-up classical at all is a nice surprise and definite plus teehee. 

Anyway, other than the ova/unaired episode, are we looking at potential for S2, considering the hype and sales perhaps?

10/10. Though I'm still hovering between a 10 and a 9, this was honestly too much fun. GUTS GUTS
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on March 28, 2014, 08:45:35 PM
Interesting. Firstly, the lack of closure in this last episode didn't bother me in the slightest. We know that the elite four are exceptional people who will undoubtedly be successful, with Satsuki or not. We know that the sisters care for each other, and we know they'll be spending time together. And it's been crammed down our throats that Mako and Ryuko are best friends forever.There's little doubt that the things you want to see so badly will happen, and so to my mind, there's no need to waste time doing masturbatory fan-targeted scenes simply to scratch our itch. In fact, I appreciate that Kill la Kill spent its last moments answering the only question left; how Ryuko handles Senketsu's passing.

I'm surprised people complain about the animation, as I always thought of it as one of the series brightest points. I thought it was pretty clear Kill la Kill was using simplistic animation as form of humor, ala silly Microsoft Paint GIF. Buttery-smooth, gorgeous Kyoani animation and the like may be pretty to look at, but it's easy to forget that most of the time it's unnecessary. In fact, when cleverly used, simple animation can be much more expressive. Just look in this scene, when Miksugi unnaturally glides closer to Ryuko with his shirt off and that silly expression on his face, without any other body movement at all. It's hilarious, at least in my opinion. Another good tidbit in the same scene is Ryuko slowly rotating her scissor forward in a perfect pinwheel motion; it builds so much comedic tension. A lot of the slow panning and zooming in was used to great effect as well. Moments like these were some of my favorite in the series.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k3QySd3AjI&list=TL1Ig29HRkUaZNTmTbl8k5kwmGqbj-j70k

I can understand why people feel uncomfortable with the stripper outfits and whatnot, but I feel that they, and the people who try to justify the nudity, are both somewhat missing the point. What's really happening is the director just doesn't give a flying f*ck about what goes on screen. It's unfortunate that the female nudity came up first, because I guarantee that if it had been Miksugi flashing his glowing nipples and cranking up his neck to shout NUUUUUDISTO BEEEEEEEEEEEACH in episode 1, there would have been far less complaints about female objectification later on.

Actually, as fanservice goes, apart from the amount of skin displayed Kill la Kill was fairly subdued. "Real" fanservice is a crude attention grab via causing sexual arousal in the audience. To accomplish this, generally the camera focuses on erogenous zones, and sexual activity becomes a semi-serious possibility. Ie, Rito trips and falls onto a girl, knocks her clothing askew, then they stare at each other and he's holding her breasts, etc. This is when I think complaints of objectification are valid, because as far as the director is concerned, for the time being that character is a walking pair of jugs/big arms and an ass. When Ryuko is first revealed in Senketsu, I don't get the feeling that this is what's happening. She's not secretly raring to bang that boxer. She's not the least bit happy or excited about the situation at all. I don't the the intended reaction was, "oh man, things are getting hot and heavy now", but "LOL WTF IS THAT OUTFIT." I think this is even more clear when Satsuki unveils her own kamui. The sexual energy in that scene was basically zero, unless you enjoy people yelling at each other at the top of their lungs about ambition and whatnot. I'd say Kill la Kill doesn't have fanservice so much as semi-innocuous nudity.

Seriously, the most dangerous things get is Miksugi and Ryuko going tit for tat.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Desdemondia on March 28, 2014, 09:38:24 PM
Just to be clear, I certainly agree and liked the animation quite a lot as part of the whole visual package. But I must say that I felt at times it needed a bit of a break from the minimal slidey stuff or break it up more in between. However at others, it was very appropriate such as Nui's flitting around in 2D during the battles through the use of that simple animation, which actually contributed to making her image altogether more threatening. That's also why I felt that they made use of their budget wisely.

Also, to be completely honest, my only real concern with the incest bs really would just be the show's recommend-ability to others, even setting aside if they actually did mean it to be some kind of pandering bait instead of parody. Sigh. As for the 'fanservice' outfits or nudity, again tbh, I personally just did not notice or recognize it as actually fanservice at all until I ventured out and saw the internetz reaction later on... very annoying. These things shouldn't even matter that much focusing on it really misses the point of the show and now the fools swarm around braying TITTIES OR GTFO under every episode. -_-

But it's interesting how it seems your problem with the ending being weak was from lack of nonsensical WTF moments.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Gadget on March 28, 2014, 11:35:22 PM
Do you mean that some people get turn on by seeing a naked Barbi Doll?

The whole Nudist BEEEEEEEEEEEACH (That cracke me up too) thing and mass nudity is just comic effect. And Gamagoori outragous S&M outfit adds to the whole comic effect. I never did naked Ryuko and Satsuki transform with their breasts flapping stimulating. Neither did naked Satsuki running down the hallway. If anyone finds these offensive, they have to dig their eye-BALLs when watching Hight School DxD or Heaven Lost Property.

In the end, only  Senketsu get destroyed, And Ryuko got over it like in 30 seconds. While in TTGL, Kamina, Nia and half of Team Dai-Gurren dies. IMHO, TTGL NEEDS a  cloesur. KlK only needs a epilogue. All we need to know is that Ryuko and Satsuki got reconcile as sisters, and does sisterly things, like shopping and eating ice dessert. Gamagoori is still trying to work up his courage to confess to Mako. (He wore shirt and holding flowers) And the ther 3 Divas are just happy for Satsuki. I don't thing it needs a ten minuters '3 months later' side story. And for Nudist Beach, I don't really care what happen to them.

BTY, the name Kiryuin means 'Ghost Dragon School or Courtyard'. And Ryoko mean 'wondering person'. It give the image that Ryuko is a Ronin or a Vagabond swordman type of transfer student. Or the 'Nameless Lone Gunman' for Western cliques.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: imlazee247 on March 29, 2014, 12:48:32 AM
So if anyone is familiar with hero archetypes or the work of Joseph Campbell, the ending makes much more sense if viewed as a metaphor that shows the audience an individual finding inner peace within and with the world around that main character despite the craziest of circumstances. This trend has existed throughout Japanese culture beginning with the well known folk tale in Japan, Momotaro and the Oni. Where a young outsider comes to a strange land, befriends the natives, and helps to rid them of the evil demons that are oppressing them in the strange land. It is in the same vein of thought adapting the form of the old archetype to challenge today's demons.  What I liked most is the emphasis on one particular idea: even if some crazy existentially-challenging-bullshit has given birth to you, that is not what has to define any given individual. There is still the freedom to make new choices, challenge the past, and not force yourself to change in ways you don't need to no matter how hard it may be to resist. I like Marcus Aurelius' phrase for it; the spark of divinity. I like Kill la Kill better as a metaphor and symbol, I am not worried about fleshing out all the details of what comes afterwards; that would be a whole different kind of story. I am happy with the one they told.

The last clip in the outro song in ep. 24 reminded me a bit of the Lego Movie. It takes the craziness of the story out of the mind of its creator and shows that this story is a metaphor and/or commentary on a particular aspect of real life. As with the strict father preventing a son's creativity in the Lego Movie, it is the strict nature and expectations of the previous generation represented by the mother and hierarchical school system that robs the outsider of the opportunity to choose how they want to live their life. This show responds with a big **** you to that, and I do to towards that kind of rationale and societal pressure.

Also I would give it an award for coming up with the best story reason to justify the fan service; **** those guys trying to control my lives with their "clothes" or fibrous symbols of fate/determinism. Its time to get naked... metaphorically!!!

Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on March 29, 2014, 04:57:42 AM
In the end, only  Senketsu get destroyed, And Ryuko got over it like in 30 seconds. While in TTGL, Kamina, Nia and half of Team Dai-Gurren dies. IMHO, TTGL NEEDS a  cloesur. KlK only needs a epilogue. All we need to know is that Ryuko and Satsuki got reconcile as sisters, and does sisterly things, like shopping and eating ice dessert. Gamagoori is still trying to work up his courage to confess to Mako. (He wore shirt and holding flowers) And the ther 3 Divas are just happy for Satsuki. I don't thing it needs a ten minuters '3 months later' side story. And for Nudist Beach, I don't really care what happen to them.

Gadget, the movie Lagann-Hen actually has quite a different ending.  In the movie based on the second series of episodes of the show, they condense the plot and change it.  We don't actually see most of the crew die, making it seem like Simon is fighting more for the future of everyone, rather than to just make up for the death of his comrades.  It also makes the whole final battle quite interesting.  Instead of just fighting, everyone has their own Gurren Lagann form based on what they do.  It's really fun and you really get satisfaction from watching everyone work together.

The mention of all of that actually brings up a good point.  I just re-watched Lagann-Hen and I found I had a smile plastered on my face the entire time they were fighting or doing pretty much everything.  I felt like every member of the team mattered somehow and when they all started laughing, I felt like I could laugh at the odd humor they have in the group.  I don't know how to explain it, but the show and the movie capture that essence of pure spirit and make it so you feel the same way about everything.  I couldn't help but feel like I had some stake in the battle, even though it's just a movie.  When there was downtime, I think it was really effective downtime that was used to solidify or just develop character moments.  It never felt off when they slowed down a bit.  I still can't help but love how crazy Kamina is too.

I then look at how I felt with the ending of Kill La Kill and it all feels off.  Their slow moments were at odd times and when they were fighting, I never felt like rooting for them all.  I was invested enough to want to know what happened, but I really wasn't brought in like I was with Gurren Lagann.  Their quiet moments also felt odd and they really didn't cement any characters or let me digest more of the plot.  The battles were cool, but the relationship between Kamina and Simon ensured that one never felt like Kamina overshadowed Simon or vice versa.  Here, I wanted to see more of Satsuki than I did of Ryuuko.  Even comparing the early antagonist and later protagonist, Lord Genome didn't overshadow Simon either.  Even with the antagonist role, Satsuki overshadowed Ryuuko.  Satsuki just seemed like a more interesting character, even if she might not have been for sure. 

Overall, I just felt like Gurren Lagann did it right.  I can't explain a lot of the specifics, but it just made me feel better, especially after watching the after credit scenes of both the movie and the show.  I like Kill La Kill, but I love Gurren Lagann.  For that reason, I felt like Kill La Kill could have been so much more.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: AC on March 29, 2014, 06:01:34 AM
Final:

Yeah, basically everything went to plan (and as I expected). Decent ending, albeit the series pretty much set its path to ending in stone so long ago.

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My thoughts on KILL la KILL:

It's loud, it's fierce and it's senseless. Yes, KILL la KILL is basically everything you like about TTGL but perhaps with less substance and more over-the-top action. Although it's not exactly fair to compare the two shows together even when it's directed by the same person and produced by the same studio, but I can't help it: KILL la KILL is simply a derivative of TTGL. While TTGL brings over-the-top action with charismatic characters and unforgettable lines, KILL la KILL lacks both.

It's a 7/10 for me. I think people would remember the LOL nudist references, but it's nothing particularly special.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: ShadowpulseKDH on March 29, 2014, 09:25:24 AM


Gadget, the movie Lagann-Hen actually has quite a different ending.  In the movie based on the second series of episodes of the show, they condense the plot and change it.  We don't actually see most of the crew die, making it seem like Simon is fighting more for the future of everyone, rather than to just make up for the death of his comrades.  It also makes the whole final battle quite interesting.  Instead of just fighting, everyone has their own Gurren Lagann form based on what they do.  It's really fun and you really get satisfaction from watching everyone work together.




I do not believe it is fair at all to compare something not from the original run of gurren lagann, to the series of Kill la Kill.  Lagann-Hen apparently was made 2 years after the finale of the actual series.  I apologize if I am wrong on this, I am ignorant over the films of that series.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on March 29, 2014, 10:04:09 AM
It was made afterwords, Shadow.  However, it didn't change everything about the events of the show.  It did compress some of the events and change some of the stuff that did happen in space, but I think that still bares some comparison.  You saw the earlier screenshots.  Those were direct comparisons from Gurren Lagann.

Now, the original series did feature a lot of people dying, but I'll take that over them doing nothing.  They went out in a blaze of glory and the result was that we felt like they had a hand in defeating the anti-spirals.  In KLK, they just sit on their butts and don't do a thing besides sacrifice the one thing that made them any threat in combat.  If you even had them fighting off some remnants of the Revoc suits, that would have been something.  That would mean they still had some part in the big win.  Sadly, TRIGGER didn't even do that for the big finale.

Now, don't think I hated the entire series or anything.  I rather liked the series as an overall piece of art.  However, some of the individual elements don't stand up to scrutiny.   I'll also say that if you're going to do anything well in a story, make the ending and the beginning count.  The beginning forms your initial opinion and the ending colors everything that you've seen up to that point.  The ending really counts in any story, let alone a character driven story like this show.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on August 10, 2014, 08:11:30 PM
Oh man, that review score.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on August 10, 2014, 09:04:30 PM
Yeah that's basically how I feel about it. Just an ADHD anime with no heart or soul. I do think it would have been much more enjoyable if it was made to be 13 episodes instead of 24, and tried not to have a big epic plot.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on August 10, 2014, 10:09:14 PM
Oh man, that review score.

Not what I would have given it either, but CNile makes his case.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Pebble on August 11, 2014, 07:33:52 AM
CNile claimed that the venues were uninteresting. Holy crap. I'm no fan of KlK, but if KlK does not have interesting background and venue-design, then pretty much nothing does. "Slap-dash construction"? Woah, man, what?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on August 11, 2014, 05:43:15 PM
I'd rate it a little higher out of my own entertainment from it, but I can see why he'd score it so low considering what he mentioned. I do like KLK's tone prior to the second half's push for more aliens, and I like the soundtrack despite conversations we've had before about it, but he nails many reasons why I grew fed up with it over time. I'm not even sure if it was backlash from hype or just straight disappointment, but it hasn't gotten better for me in hindsight.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: MCAL on August 11, 2014, 05:46:10 PM
I basically completely forgotten all about Kill la Kill sans Mako and Satsuki. So you can probably tell how forgettable this show ended up being to me.

And yes, the fanservice was awful.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on August 11, 2014, 07:14:02 PM
As someone who considers Kill la Kill his favorite all time anime, I'm obviously inclined to feel a bit disappointed after seeing the score, but it's unfair if I don't at least give the review a chance.

While I feel that all the claims are valid in hindsight, I think that it's a matter of perspective of what's important - I feel that the general reaction to Kill la Kill's storytelling values is rather superficial, and thus quite a bit harsh. While I don't feel the same hostility you'd see from the majority of the detractors in his review, I don't believe Kill la Kill was ever a story meant to make logical sense, incite a personal response, or be told on a large scale - and it never really tried to be, either. I'm not necessarily saying that entertainment = automatic quality, and my opinion is obviously a bit visceral, but Kill la Kill's grab is its energy and its free spirit. You can put an "ADHD" label on it all you want - you won't find a show with the abundance of free storytelling energy that Kill la Kill has often, if at all.

But this is coming from the guy who thought that Guardians of the Galaxy needed to take a page from this show.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on August 11, 2014, 07:29:11 PM
It's bizarre for me reading CNile's review, because of how widely divergent our thinking is on the same points. When he says deus ex machina, I have to scratch my head for a bit, but I realize what he's talking about; the same moments I considered part of the ridiculous, zany fun at the heart of Kill la Kill. Animation and fanservice were two things I also quite enjoyed, and I consider them to be core components of the success of the show. I posted about them just above. 

I would sum up the situation thusly:

Kill la Kill is best described as a loud, full-bellied roar of "YYYYYYYYYYYOLO 4 THE SWAGLORDS$S$S$". My response is a tribal "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLLLL", whereas CNile's seems to be a deeply unamused sigh. I think both views are understandable, but I also think it's pretty obvious who's cool, and who's a tool.     
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on August 12, 2014, 02:03:15 AM
Jesus, I'm going to start suggesting we make controversial ratings on shows.  It drums up more conversation.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: SQA on August 12, 2014, 05:51:36 AM
Jesus, I'm going to start suggesting we make controversial ratings on shows.  It drums up more conversation.

Or, even if I would rate KlK higher, he makes a valid argument.  If the "ride" doesn't catch you, you're not going to enjoy it.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: CNile on August 12, 2014, 01:01:54 PM
Most or all of you have read my review already, but I feel as though I need to clarify what I feel is the difference between something that's fun, and something that's fun... but also well made.

Take for example, the masterpiece that was Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction: That is a film that you could tell the director loved, and a good many of the people making it had fun with it. In the end it was bizarre and fun and fast-paced, but it was also incredibly well acted, beautifully scripted, innovative, and exquisitely shot. Kill la Kill is bizarre and I found it somewhat fun for a few episodes, but I realized early on that it was just a carbon copy of Gurren Lagann. However, Gurren Lagann was a show the writers and director clearly loved and had a great time making, and it had originality, it had spunk, and it looked much better than Kill la Kill despite being older. Kill la Kill was just Trigger filling a checklist; *SPOILER ALERT* underdog fights his/her way to a person in position of great power, he/she fights that person, but lo and behold that particular person was on his/her side all along, and wants to rise up against the yoke of his/her oppressor. Afterwards, aliens invade. Check check and check. The only difference is that the Spiral King dies and Satsuki lives.

Pulp Fiction was fun and original, Gurren Lagann was fun and original, Check la Check is neither fun nor, needless to say, original.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on August 12, 2014, 01:59:45 PM
Most or all of you have read my review already, but I feel as though I need to clarify what I feel is the difference between something that's fun, and something that's fun... but also well made.

Except that your conclusion to this is not at all that Kill la Kill was something fun. It seems more as if you are trying to conclude that for something to be fun, it has to be well made. But I think that the base assumption here is that being well made requires it to follow the general rules of storytelling, rather than its own rules.

Let me change my approach for a moment.

In what way was Gurren Lagann particularly original? Its energy, for one, was one of its greatest appeals. It could spit out lines such as "throw away your logic and kick reason to the curb!", and that would be enough for you to just relax and do whatever it wanted, manipulate your emotions without your usual distrust, and you'd generally just let up all your barriers and enjoy the ride. But,  if you wished to ignore all of that, Gurren Lagann, too, was just a story about the characters rising against vicious oppression to find out that there was a true evil on the side of things manipulating their very existence. That's not a new kind of story. The first three seasons of Digimon did it (That chart even describes the third season to a tee). Madoka did it. Princess Tutu did it. Rozen Maiden did it. Higurashi, in a way, did it. Hell, even something like Homestuck does it. If you look at the superficial values of a story like that, you can basically make everything sound unoriginal.

As TIF once said, there's no such thing as a truly original story; a story becomes original by taking a bunch of older ideas and making something new out of it. Gurren Lagann, when it comes down to it, still only takes an old story and adds some spunk to it. But it does so in such a way that erases all possible pretensions and eases your mind to the errors of the plotting - so long as you're actually riding its rollercoaster, rather than simply staring at it and remarking "I don't get what's fun about that".

What does Kill la Kill do, then? Gurren Lagann and Kill la Kill both are unique in that they're free spirited and have an incredible abundance of energy, but there's a very clear difference between the two that make them very separate viewings. Gurren Lagann is a show that is more focused on taking that free spirit and applying it to a common tale, whereas Kill la Kill doesn't worry about the intricacies of storytelling and brings that free spirit to the front-line to envelope you in it. That's quite a bit different. It may seem more noble to apply that kind of energy to a story, but in doing so, you're forced to take it a bit more seriously than it may have originally intended - this actually seems to limit the amount of fun the creators had making it. If you notice the latter half of TTGL, where the second villain is brought into the picture, it loses much of its original spirit and tries much too hard to grab you, despite the fact the characters had already aged and changed quite a bit, killing a little of our investment in the story. With Kill la Kill, it never really feels like the spirit leaves, as the show is constantly following its own rules - by which I mean, the lack thereof.

Yes, Aniplex might have made a bigger deal out of Kill la Kill's "upcoming amazing story" that wasn't really there, but it never felt like the creators were on the same page; Imaishi and Nakashima never strayed too far from what they knew they were making - it seemed like they were constantly having fun, just throwing in whatever they felt would make it entertaining. You either boarded the rollercoaster, or you watched it and wondered what was so amazing about it.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on August 12, 2014, 02:31:20 PM
Here's something I think that Gurren Lagann had in spades: great characters that had an impact on the story.

Let me explain.  I feel like KLK's characters were all unique, but they didn't do much after their initial big bang.  They had personality, but they slowly sunk into the background as the main character did everything.  They didn't even do something as noble as *spoiler alert* sacrificing themselves for the greater good. *end spoiler alert*  All they did was give up their powers, root for the main hero to win the battle, and sat there.  As far as fighting the real antagonist goes, they all just did background stuff that we, as the audience, felt no impact from.  They were good b-grade villains that could offer some fight to our hero, but bad d-grade heroes that offered no fight to the real villains.  They had all of the looks without any of the real love or personality that we would have really gotten attached to.

Counter this to Gurren Lagann.  The show had some real heart in it and you could see that.  All of the side characters had at least one or two moments to shine and you got personality from them.  Even the young kids got a personality, but they don't fully develop until the second part of the show.  To put this into perspective, the one guy who's job was to hit the cannon button even had moments.  Now, they don't get all of the exposure and action they should get, but the show suffers from a lack of available time to fully develop every single side character in it's sizable cast.  Then you take these same side characters into the second part of the show and they get development there.  I won't go into every single moment, but they have scenes showing their discontent at unfortunate events and their discontent at the lack of ability to fight, what they do best.  By the time they get into space, we see some good action from them before *spoiler alert* they slowly sacrifice themselves for the sake of the mission.  We get to see them develop, then we're forced to seem them die for the vital mission that could save humanity and all of the civilizations in the galaxy.  It's got impact.  It's an emotional gut punch if you have any attachment to them *end spoiler alert*

I think that's the difference.  One show has all of the character lose any relevance in the flashy fights and just fade into bland happiness at the end of it all.  The other does some really effective stuff with the side characters, and not just the main heroes. 
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: CNile on August 12, 2014, 03:27:16 PM
@Kiniest

While it's true that almost every story imaginable has been done before, with this in mind I use "original" to describe something that isn't done often. I'm aware that "original" implies something is the first of its kind, but if it were used only in that sense, the word would never be used. Why I say that Gurren Lagann is original and KLK is not is that in concept and and flavor Gurren Lagann and KLK are incredibly similar, and are made by the same people. As such, I don't see Gurren Lagann as a copy of other shows in its vein, as they are of a similar concept but of varying flavor, but I see KLK as a cash-in and imitation because it's the same studio doing the exact same thing because it worked before.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on August 12, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
While the works are certainly similar in both style and presentation, I believe that rather than being a cash in because it would be more of the same, Kill la Kill is just the result of Hiroyuki Imaishi going with his usual style. If you take a look at his other works, for example, Dead Leaves and Panty and Stocking, you can tell that this is more along the lines of what he usually does rather than him playing it safe. Same goes for any Shinbo work; they're basically different branches of the same tree. However, as Gurren Lagann is of  "a similar concept but varying flavor", Kill la Kill is to Gurren Lagann descriptive by the very same lines. As I already mentioned, Gurren Lagann's approach is to write a story in which the characters can bypass the laws of logic with much ease to reach their goals while still having you invest in their relationships and characterizations. Kill la Kill's approach is to take the general ideas of the shounen genre and give them an abundance of life and energy in such a way that you don't have to worry about the outcome of the story.

That's a major difference because one's got you on the edge of your seat while the other's telling you to relax and enjoy the ride, making for a particularly different emotional responses. That may seem like a longshot of an example, but a story asking you to invest in its characters is significantly different from one that doesn't. Both are extremely fun approaches to entertainment that thusly create separate experiences.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on August 12, 2014, 05:14:56 PM
@Kiniest

I think Gurren Lagann was made by it's characters and KLK was made in spite of it's characters.  I think that's a good way to summarize my opinion on the whole affair.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Marid King on August 12, 2014, 06:12:29 PM
I have never seen any of Gurren Lagann. Tell me, does it include any of the following?

1. Strip-happy men flashing their glowing nipples and genitals in my face.
2. Parents molesting their children for teh evulz
3. Recaps done Sonic the Hedgehog fast.
4. Rapid fire anal rape via sword.

I would be absolutely shocked if it turns out that another show has gone before where Kill la Kill went. I would not be at all surprised to find out that GL has functionally the exact same plot, characters, setting, etc. But if your show does not have the equivalent of razor-sharp hair highlights cutting through brain wires, you're not balls deep enough to be Kill la Kill. We can argue about quality and enjoyment, but IMO, this show's originality is unimpeachable. That, or I'm about to strap myself in for a ride through all the wackjob anime I somehow never found.   
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: hyperknees91 on August 12, 2014, 06:45:35 PM
I thought Gurenn Lagann was fine until the second half. First 16 episodes were great, but then the fanfiction kicked in.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Zeitgeist on August 12, 2014, 06:55:12 PM
I thought the First 16 episodes were great, but then

What is this....Bokurano?
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Kiniest on August 12, 2014, 06:59:18 PM
@RyuKyotei

Except that tons of characters still got the shaft in Gurren Lagann. Most of the characters that died near the end died in completely arbitrary points of the battle, resulting in pointless noble sacrifices.

*SPOILERS EVERYWHERE*

Even Kittan's death was contrived by the random circumstances the battle had decided to create, just so Yoko would have to be left lonely again. Speaking of Yoko, despite being a main character, she never really did too many noteworthy things outside of her own character arc - it was always Simon and Kamina pushing the story forward, as opposed to her. Even Viral got screwed - sure, he ends up piloting Gurren Lagann with Simon, but how many noteworthy things did he actually do in that final battle? How many things did he do in the first part of the series? It feels more like Gurren Lagann had a rule that all the character arcs were fine so long as they didn't actually get involved with the main story. The only time I remember any of the side characters actually pushing Kamina, Simon, or Nia forward is during Simon's post-Kamina anxiety, where he figures out how to stop relying on Kamina and become his own man. Don't get me wrong, I adore TTGL, but its side characters were no more important than the side characters in KlK.

The reason I'm ok with all of that is because, rather than detracting from either show, it comes off more like Digimon Tamers, where there's extra characters that don't really need to be there, but never really bother the flow of the show - and actually add onto it in the smaller moments.

Forgive how sloppily put together all of that was.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on August 13, 2014, 09:24:45 AM
For me this probably would have gotten at least a 6/10 but at the end of the day it was ultimately just kind of what I've come to call a hype show (zany action show that keeps up the action, thrills and fan service for the sort of folk that think that's what a show needs to focus on to make it cool and good.  Most of them are produced by Aniplex nowadays IMO like this one) without all that much soul to it.  I absolutely and utterly detested the soundtrack usage for it and made it no secret though.  For me that was hands down it's greatest shortcoming and just killed flat dead so many moments in the show that might have been better with just silence or I don't know....more fitting music with less bad singing accompanying it...preferably no singing at all since to me that sort of thing belongs strictly in montages and theme songs, not in practically every other scene.  Between this and Aldnoah.Zero I pretty much don't want to hear from Hiroyuki Sawano again for a while because his loud blaring, overpowering, repetitious, uninspired and often just plain obnoxious of late music kind of kills if not entire shows at least a lot of key scenes for me.

To me the only really memorable characters in it all were indeed Satsuki and to a lesser extent Mako.  Satsuki just for her scene stealing presence, grandiosity and being pretty much the only cast member to have an actually meaningful character arc, and Mako because she was funny in her own way where a lot of the time the humor missed the mark.  Other than that I can't think of much else to say about this show really other than the art was really really rough but they managed to make a style out of it and....yeah that's about it really.  It just falls so well within line of the textbook Aniplex produced hyped/anticipated but ultimately un-fulfilling show that is kind of becoming a noticeable calling card of the label regardless of what studio is animating.  Like if that companies name is on the product, no matter how potentially interesting it looks I kind of know where to set my expectations.  That's the X-Factor at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: RyuKyotei on August 13, 2014, 10:29:10 AM
@Kiniest

*spoiler*
Frankly, you're right.  Not all of the characters have a ton of impact on the main story.  However, I feel like they at least have some role in it by the end, even if that role was to die.  The movie version does have them all live, but I feel like it's fitting for the show to have them die.  It was at least a last hurrah by the characters to do something, even if that resulted in mostly pointless deaths. 

I think it lies with the fact that there was a massive cast of characters in Gurren Lagann.  I don't know if KLK can use that excuse, but almost all of the side characters in Gurren Lagann at least do something.  Even if they only served as the necessary levity in the darker parts of the show, I feel like they had some role.  I just didn't get that from KLK and their ending, a rather mediocre, ordinary happiness, felt like it was a bad way to just end it all.  The not-real antagonist, the spiral king, also had a big role, which I appreciated. 

Add the pure heart the show has behind it and I think Gurren Lagann really managed to pull of a large cast of characters mostly well.  Also, I have dubbed Yoko's kiss the kiss of death.  The show loves to have everyone she kisses die in a tragic moment almost immediately afterwords.  It's hilarious.

*end spoilers*
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: Funky Dealer on August 13, 2014, 05:02:03 PM
I think Gurren Lagann was made by it's characters and KLK was made in spite of it's characters.  I think that's a good way to summarize my opinion on the whole affair.

That sums up my opinion on KLK quite well, actually. Mind you, I'd say KLK was made in spite of its characters that weren't deeply involved with the Kiryuuin family, but still. It burnt when the first half had me engrossed enough to make the second half make almost everyone utterly irrelevant while the main character carried the plot, especially when I was starting to like the supporting cast more on principle alone. If anything, I still find myself disliking Satsuki for the reasons people here have for liking her over any other characters - she takes up almost all the attention. That isn't saying Ryuuko, Nui, or Ragyo aren't guilty of the same thing, but... yeah. In the end, it's not like KLK's cast is poor or forgettable; they were just relegated to that role once the plot started kicking.

As for Gurren Lagann, I try not to compare apples and oranges here. Sure, they're both Imaishi and show his style, but GL had a benefit (or drawback, depending on your view) of being a send-off to other classic mecha series and sticking to some safe story angles. Generally speaking, though, I think it paced itself better and had a better awareness of itself than KLK.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: KS on September 04, 2014, 10:47:49 PM
25:  That last OVA episode was a pretty enjoyable last romp with this wacky show.  Really the only thing that could have kept me from enjoying it just straight up was the always unwelcome and seemingly always on cue soundtrack with it's loud grindy vocal themes.  Luckily somebody had the sense to mix the BGM low in this episode so most of the time I barely noticed it.  Actually one of my favorite moments in the episode that I can only wish was intentional was when that eyeroll inducing Don't Lose Your Way song started up and then Ryuko just shouted her ultimate attack move over it and eventually it just felt like it sort of gave up and cut off.  God bless.  :)  Ami Koshimizu really has some pipes, it still blows my mind that she can do characters like Ryuko and then Yukiko Amagi in Persona this season who is like her exact opposite in terms of temperament.
Title: Re: Kill La Kill
Post by: gedata on September 06, 2014, 04:50:04 PM
25:

Didn't add anything substantial enough to make it required viewing but this was an amusing diversion nonetheless, sorta like good post-game DLC