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Title: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on October 01, 2011, 09:17:47 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Shadowmage_Shin/HunterXHunterTitle.jpg)

Ah, a blast from my past that I honesstly didn't think would get a second life.  Though I usually don't usually watch such straight-forward shounen anime, I'm going to let nostalgia guide me on this one.  Considering that Madhouse usually doesn't mess up adaptations, I think that the show is in good hands.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shinmaru on October 02, 2011, 09:23:46 AM
I recently finished the original Hunter x Hunter and liked it quite a bit after the slow beginning. Looks like Madhouse is making like FMA: Brotherhood and speeding through the less compelling material to get to the meatier part of the story, which is fine by me.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on October 02, 2011, 10:26:01 AM
Looks like Madhouse is making like FMA: Brotherhood and speeding through the less compelling material to get to the meatier part of the story, which is fine by me.
Actually, I would argue that the Madhouse adaptation follows the manga more closely... almost scene for scene as a matter of fact.  It's just that the additional material in the first anime actually added to the overall narrative so it didn't come across as filler.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shinmaru on October 03, 2011, 11:34:48 AM
I'll take your word for it, since I have yet to read the manga! But, yeah, that's what I'm hearing. The extra bits that are in the original series are nice, but there's development there that can be explored later, so it's not too big a deal for me.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: AC on October 04, 2011, 08:52:07 PM
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Truth be told, I've never watched the first Hunter X Hunter series so by default, I shouldn't be getting any sense of nostalgia from watching a new adaptation. However, I do get a sense of nostalgia because of another reason: it has the same vibes as One Piece episode 1 (yeah, that was WAY back in the day).

It's a classic story: a simple but optimistic boy goes out into the real world wanting to face new challenges and meet new people. There's nothing contrived to it; a classic shounen adventure show. Yet, it's not a bad thing either; in a time where the anime industry is plagued by cheap shounen action fodder, it's a breath of fresh air to see a show that refers back to the basics of storytelling. Decent pacing, likable characters, and lots of room for expansion.

From the above, I can tell that we're in for a long but otherwise fun ride. Not sure how long, but at least it's not a bad show. Hopefully, it won't be as long as One Piece, which is a show I loved but have gone too long past its expiry date.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 18, 2011, 08:23:41 PM
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Having never seen any Hunter x Hunter before or read any of the manga, this is my first exposure to it.  It's not terrible, but I do wonder what the big effin' deal is.  So far it seems like it wants to be somewhat smart at times, but the intelligence is quickly lost by typical shounen brainlessness.  I think it might be the art style and character designs that really do it in.  They're so bright and fluffy... a stark contrast to the events going on around them.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: leokiko. on October 18, 2011, 09:12:37 PM
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Having never seen any Hunter x Hunter before or read any of the manga, this is my first exposure to it.  It's not terrible, but I do wonder what the big effin' deal is.  So far it seems like it wants to be somewhat smart at times, but the intelligence is quickly lost by typical shounen brainlessness. I think it might be the art style and character designs that really do it in.  They're so bright and fluffy... a stark contrast to the events going on around them.

LOL. You didn't even watch the original and already grasped exactly what's making many HxH fans mad at this remake. The original was way darker and the character designs were awesome. I seriously don't know what they will do once it reaches York Shin arc. That arc is made by violence o.o.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: leokiko. on May 12, 2012, 08:42:55 PM
Excuse me for ressurecting this thread, but is anyone watching this? Believe me, it's worth it. The adaptation is actually pretty good so far.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: BloodMoney on May 12, 2012, 08:46:03 PM
Excuse me for ressurecting this thread, but is anyone watching this? Believe me, it's worth it. The adaptation is actually pretty good so far.

Yeah, I still think this is one of the better shows that is airing now. Even with amazing shows like Sakimichi, Fate/Zero, and Space Bros., this is the one show I look forward to the most each week.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: leokiko. on May 12, 2012, 08:49:47 PM
Excuse me for ressurecting this thread, but is anyone watching this? Believe me, it's worth it. The adaptation is actually pretty good so far.

Yeah, I still think this is one of the better shows that is airing now. Even with amazing shows like Sakimichi, Fate/Zero, and Space Bros., this is the one show I look forward to the most each week.

Yes, it's in my top 3 of the ones I look foward the most (Uchuu Kyoudai, HxH, Sakamichi). HxH is an amazing shounen.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on May 12, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
Excuse me for ressurecting this thread, but is anyone watching this? Believe me, it's worth it. The adaptation is actually pretty good so far.

Still watching it.  Not much really to talk about, honestly.  Though I was going to start bitching about how this has been a good "variety" shounen show up until recently with the fighting and the tournament in the tower.  Hopefully it'll pick back up again with the strategy and the situational planning and stuff it was doing before.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: leokiko. on May 12, 2012, 09:32:22 PM
Excuse me for ressurecting this thread, but is anyone watching this? Believe me, it's worth it. The adaptation is actually pretty good so far.

Still watching it.  Not much really to talk about, honestly.  Though I was going to start bitching about how this has been a good "variety" shounen show up until recently with the fighting and the tournament in the tower.  Hopefully it'll pick back up again with the strategy and the situational planning and stuff it was doing before.

York Shin arc is coming up, don't worry  8)
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: BloodMoney on June 16, 2012, 10:56:04 PM
Ep 35

Ok episode but that fight... holy shit.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: leokiko. on June 16, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
HISOKA'S SHINING CROTCH!

The fight was godlike.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: leokiko. on June 24, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
Baka Ouji appeared on this episode...xD

Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: BloodMoney on June 24, 2012, 04:39:40 PM
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Man Hisoka took his creepiness to a new level, he was having an orgasm during a fight...
Anyway it was still a great fight and I'm excited because I keep hearing that the upcoming arc is the best in the series. I only hope they can keep the same level of animation quality for the upcoming fights.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shinmaru on June 24, 2012, 08:14:21 PM
Schwing!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on July 21, 2012, 09:09:05 PM
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So, we're finally at the Yorkshin arc.   Personally, I reccomend you guys get episodes 50-62 plus the first OVA of the first series since the old anime original had a fantastic adaptation of the arc.  The darker tone may cause a bit of whiplash from Madhouse's more upbeat version, but the intensity was pitch perfect for some of the brutality of the content.  The animation was stellar as well.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: BloodMoney on September 15, 2012, 12:06:11 PM
Madhouse better do this upcoming fight justice with all the hype it's been getting.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on September 15, 2012, 12:46:37 PM
I doubt they'll ever be able to amount to the masterpiece which was the original 99 version of the fight (pretty much my favorite fight in any shonen anime).

Idk...the original just made things a lot more mature and darker
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: BloodMoney on September 15, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
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Well that was kinda amazing, very well animated too.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on September 16, 2012, 12:06:01 AM
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Ok the animation was superb and the fight was still awesome.

I still don't think the execution was quite as masterful as the original, but I wasn't really disappointed either. It was something new and still worked.

Though one thing that did bother me was the music selection..idk seemed a bit too overdramatic (I preferred the subtle music in the original).
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: leokiko. on September 16, 2012, 10:00:47 AM
That was epic.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on December 17, 2012, 12:03:48 AM
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Well, we're now on Greed Island.  I recommend you dial your expectations back a bit.  It's not bad, but it's very shounen action save the occasional maiming.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on December 17, 2012, 12:26:45 AM
Nothing wrong with that. Togashi still makes this a very fun arc sort of in line with the tone we come to know in the Heaven's Arena arc.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 20, 2013, 12:51:03 PM
So word on the street is that Madhouse is all clear to go for the Chimera Ant Arc. Let's expect a bloody good time. Greed Island will be done in eight (?) more episodes. It really flew by, but I liked it much, much better then the OVA version.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 20, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
Eight episodes is still 2 months.....

Still, enjoying it nonetheless.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 24, 2013, 02:02:26 PM
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Hisoka! You glorious bastard, you!
Notice how Gon and Killua's eyes go up. Wow! Hunter x Hunter should be Seinin sometimes.

EDIT: Also, Shuichi Ikeda will be playing Kite. Can Hunter x Hunter get any better?!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 24, 2013, 03:44:19 PM
That scene was hilarious.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on March 09, 2013, 11:11:57 PM
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Excuse me for a sec........ THAT WAS ****ING EPIC! It was so EPIC, I won't censor my cursing (Although the mods did it for me). That's how EPIC it was. Gon... EPIC! Killua... EPIC! Hisoka... EPIC! Razor... EPIC! Nakama Power... EPIC! Animation... EPIC! BGM... EPIC! There is no way, NO WAY, in hell that didn't just surpass the OVA version... NO WAY! Hunter x Hunter... You were great in 1999, but here you have transcended yourself. MADHOUSE... You have my thanks. I quite literally laughed at how EPIC this was at times! Everyone and their mom's should be watching HxH right about now. There's no shounen quite like it.

EDIT: I see. Sorry about the curse... It was still very epic though.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on April 15, 2013, 02:20:55 PM
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And with this Hunter x Hunter will make history next week. I laughed at how it end exactly at the same point the OVA ended. The chimera ant arc is new ground for me and all I know is that it will be brutal so I for one can't wait.

And in case you weren't aware... Gon is freaking insane!!!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on April 20, 2013, 08:40:16 PM
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HELL YEAH.  WE ANT ARC NOW!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on April 21, 2013, 02:07:26 AM
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History is being made and we're off to a great start. The mood is immediately more somber than Greed Island too.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on April 21, 2013, 06:25:05 AM
The voice of Char Aznable in Hunter x Hunter.  Truly history is being made indeed! :D
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on April 21, 2013, 10:27:57 AM
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Anime history has been made! Cue the disgruntled manga fans who can't think outside the box! LOL!

And Shuichi Ikeda as Kite is f*cking awesome!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on May 19, 2013, 02:25:35 PM
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It just keeps getting crueler. That episode was amazing.

Togashi is simply brilliant. This is probably my favorite current running anime, and has been for a while, but what's astounding is the consistent greatness of it. Hunter x Hunter may in fact go down as the best shonen action title of all time in my book. Much props to Madhouse.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on May 19, 2013, 02:35:51 PM
Ponzu ;_;

That was gut wrenchingly cruel.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Clicking on May 19, 2013, 02:56:22 PM
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That was directed damn well. Although Gyro's backstory didn't flow into the second half as well as I had hoped, it's hard to complain when both stories were just so beautifully told. It's one thing to shock the audience, but Koujina's proven that he has what it takes to disturb and horrify when the script calls for it.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on May 19, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
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The most disturbing Sunday morning cartoon ever made. In just one episode they surpassed the brutality of Yorkshin.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on May 27, 2013, 10:43:08 AM
One area of increasing interest by the episode for me is the increasingly complex social structure and hierarchy of the Chimera Ant colony as more and more genes are mixed within the pool.  If you think about it the way it's been portrayed so far the Chimera Ants are like a literal representation of a melting pot society like the Western countries of the world except you're combining not only genes and egos, but peoples memories and social leanings.  You've got Colt who has the memories of a child but the temperament of a wizened general who knows where to draw the line and believes in staying loyal to the queen by giving her the food she requests.  You have the huge egos of some of the other commanders vying for the human food and defying the wishes of the Queen and Colt and you have the Queen herself who is fast becoming like a simple minded relic compared to her more advanced children whose role has been reduced solely to the purpose of giving birth while Colt seems to run the day to day goings on of the colony.  Colt is the most interesting one to me so far and might as well fulfill the roles of Prime Minister at this rate and who seems to be struggling with the quota's he's being given, controlling his ever increasingly stratified and genetically spliced army (Do I increase soldier count and risk losing control of the army or do I culling the herd to maintain order and risk displeasing the queen).

Then you have the NGL cults hatred for humanity mixing with the Chimera ants own leanings which Kite describes as the worst case scenario (I swear you see this sort of thing in Rammot most of all) and it just gets that much more complex.  Really wasn't expecting this sort of socio-polticial complexity out of this arcs titular antagonists but it's more than welcome.  I sort of have no problems with Togashi going on frequent hiatus (not solely because of the all but confirmed rumor that he's a stroke survivor) if it helps him to come up with these ever increasingly fleshed out sagas.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on June 09, 2013, 03:02:30 AM
Thus far this arc has been worth the decade of waiting. I haven't seen a truly good shounen since the original. Hunter x Hunter continues to have some of the most interesting antagonists I've ever seen. It was nice to get a glimpse of the dynamic the Hunter Association has with global authorities, which apparently is some council of world leaders. That kind of world building is something I felt was always lacking. Lacking in the sense that it was absent but not necessary. It's nice to see but its absence didn't detract from the original. I know the next arc delves a bit more into the Hunter Association.

Any who, I'm enjoying it.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 15, 2013, 09:24:24 PM
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My god! Was that INTENSE?!! I didn't think I'd see something surpass the events of episode 80 so quickly. But this is Yoshiro Togashi we are talking about. I should have known better. I'd like to see other thoughts on this episode.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on June 15, 2013, 10:39:52 PM
To watch the rise of not only the antagonist group, but, the rise of an entire species is truly something to behold. The affect individualism had on the social structure seems to be nullified by overwhelming power, which makes sense. The Chimera Ants act in accordance to their instincts but their intellect allows them to operate with a certain degree of discretion. They were already formidable foes equipped with the various mutations evolution had to offer. However, thanks to their reasoning skills they've unlocked the only thing which made humans a credible threat. So now, armed with nen, they are essentially just humans on steroids. They are naturally stronger, faster, durable and apparently, as shown in this episode, virtually limitless is strength. The queen just keeps poppin' out upgrades like she's Apple.

The newest girl, the Royal Guard, kinda upsets me. She doesn't seem, at least superficially, to have any animal qualities which would benefit her. She does appear to be a cat-girl so maybe she's really agile. Point is, with their inherent ability to incorporate various qualities of other species into the next generation, it seems logical that the epitome of the Chimera Ants would be a melting pot of all the best traits nature had to over with human intelligence thrown on top. Though maybe she is just that and it simply isn't represented visually.

Rammot's talk of talent and the cat-girl's birth made me smile, genetic determinism and all. Though I suppose Chimera Ants as a whole are representative of such.

Each episode of this arc has had me enthralled throughout. The pacing is slow but perfect.   
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 22, 2013, 10:50:21 PM
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Yawn… Another excellent and mindblowing episode of Hunter x Hunter. Tell me what else is new?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 23, 2013, 10:52:56 AM
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And this is why Hunter x Hunter stands to possibly be the great shonen anime of all time. That episode was ridiculously good.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on June 23, 2013, 05:15:04 PM
this thread needs more posts/discussion, this show is consistently awesome and deserves it. Oh well, at least no one is letting spoilers slip here.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: BloodMoney on June 23, 2013, 11:24:38 PM
Honestly, especially since the start of the chimera ant arc, this is the best anime currently airing right now.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 24, 2013, 04:22:11 PM
Definitely... Hunter x Hunter needs much more love here. I always wonder if anyone on the forum dropped it.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on August 03, 2013, 09:23:50 PM
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It feels like Togashi is a man who is in the business of outdoing himself on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on August 04, 2013, 07:52:35 PM
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The show has slowed down considerably.  Understandable now that they're 2 arcs away from the manga.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on August 12, 2013, 06:38:46 PM
So the movie was subbed recently and... it was pretty shit. It was nice to get a glimpse, however brief, into Kurapica's village life.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on August 31, 2013, 09:22:33 PM
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Damn! Two weeks without HxH is the equivalent of torture. Even moreso, when I have been anticipating this moment for a while and it did not disappoint. Excellent performance by Mariya Ise as Killua. I was even more impressed that it finally gave us an explanation of what happened during the hunter exam finals.

Oh and Palm. Stay crazy, you ravenous yandere, you...
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on October 24, 2013, 10:37:28 AM
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It's episodes like this that always remind me that while Killua's assassin background certainly makes him scary, Gon always comes off as the more dangerous and frightening if you get him in the wrong state of mind. He's definitely got a screw loose.

Another lovely  Hunter x Hunter episode. Showcasing Togashi's geekdom with darts and tons of killua goodness around.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on October 24, 2013, 12:53:52 PM
Only a few more months until we can go back to hating Togashi and his extreme lazyness/illness/unknown or whatever causes him not to write more.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on October 24, 2013, 01:05:24 PM
Only a few more months until we can go back to hating Togashi and his extreme lazyness/illness/unknown or whatever causes him not to write more.
Don't worry we'll get a Hunter x Hunter 2021 soon enough...

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That was really tough watching Killua getting mercilessly tortured until he lost at least over half his blood. But Gon really stole the one moment he was in. Just imagine what it will be like when all his rage is focused upon Neferpitou. Now that will be a sight to see.

EDIT: The ironic thing is people think this is out of character for Gon, but it actually isn't...
EDIT 2: Oh and Happy 100th episode Hunter x Hunter.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on October 24, 2013, 01:31:12 PM
People who think this is out of character for Gon didn't pay attention to season 1, or his character at all during key moments.

Though it's easier to see him acting like this based on the 99 version as that one fleshes the characters out a bit more. Though you have no idea how much I prefer this to seeing Togashi's scribbles...
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on October 24, 2013, 02:27:03 PM
Yeah, no way Gon is out of character. Time and time again we've seen how he's had a screw loose (Greed Island final fight showcases this more than anything). However, we also saw this side of him in the heaven's arena arc when they threatened Zushi's life and Gon replied with much rage.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on November 05, 2013, 03:20:05 PM
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A set up episode with some lol worthy scenes and more classic Togashi strategic battles. I have a theory on what Komugi has to do with the plot, but I won't say yet for fear of spoiling...

And yeah! The manga is coming back!  Might start reading it from the top soon.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on November 06, 2013, 01:09:36 AM
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The only thought that keeps going through my head watching this series is that it just has no right to be this good for this long. I just love how unconventional Togashi is with his characters. Who would have thought he'd have the king battling it out in board games while everyone else is fighting? I love it.

For me there's no question anymore. This is by far the best shonen action series I have ever watched/read.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on November 08, 2013, 11:50:37 PM
Well I thought that way with the 99 version so my opinion certainly hasn't changed.

And yes agreed. Togashi is probably the most creative shounen writer in general. This is why he gets away with everything he does the b*******

I do love how hunter x hunter has no lame female characters. This has to be the only shounen show with that trait.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on November 12, 2013, 12:57:31 PM
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So this is the real beginning of the infamous narration I've heard so much about...

Anyway, another excellent episode. I just loved the Morel/Cheetu fight.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on November 19, 2013, 01:48:15 PM
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The most impressive thing about HxH is that it can derive tension from just about anything. Honestly the episode felt like it ended in ten minutes. I just did not want it to end. And with that cliffhanger too.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on November 19, 2013, 02:30:37 PM
The King is quite the character. I love how while watching the set up I can completely forget this is a shounen series.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on November 19, 2013, 04:09:39 PM
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Togashi and Madhouse do it again. Gripping episode from start to finish. The king is changing in ways he doesn't quite understand himself right now.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on November 26, 2013, 01:13:37 PM
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Intense! Intense! Intense! Intense! Hunter x Hunter is so damn intense! How the hell does Togashi do it? Death Note is the only shounen manga that can rival it.

Excellent work by Miki Shinichiro. I couldn't imagine anyone else doing it.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on November 27, 2013, 08:55:40 PM
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One thing Madhouse has always been good at is building up suspense.  There's a reason why stuff that would be as corny as "ZAWA ZAWA" in Kaiji sends chills down my spine.

This whole episode was an afterthought for me in the manga.  There's no confrontation, no major advancements to the story, no... nothing really.  However, the whole thing was absolutely riveting .
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on December 10, 2013, 07:29:38 PM
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Glorious. Absolutely glorious. The amount I love this series is actually incredibly high, just today I found myself wondering how high I would rate it. To be fair I find that I still have a small leaning towards shounen shows, I'd give this a 9 easily. I considered whether I would give it a 10, and just for that, even if I don't end up giving it a 10, it shows how good this show is. I still don't even know what I find so amazing. Like, it delivers solidly, but for a show where I don't even have a massive fondness of the characters it's unusual how much I like it.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on December 10, 2013, 07:48:35 PM
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I wonder if Youpi thinks his two fellow Royal Gurads are losing their minds. LOL!

Great character development for the King. But leave it to Togashi to do anything. The guy has like god like writing skills.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on December 10, 2013, 08:34:40 PM
Togashi is properly good at writing, I'll give you that (when he can be bothered), but don't ignore the fantastic work Madhouse is doing. They are adapting it pretty much perfectly,and I think they are making Hunter x Hunter a hundred times better than it was when it was just a manga (if only for visual quality).
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on December 10, 2013, 09:57:22 PM
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Glorious. Absolutely glorious. The amount I love this series is actually incredibly high, just today I found myself wondering how high I would rate it. To be fair I find that I still have a small leaning towards shounen shows, I'd give this a 9 easily. I considered whether I would give it a 10, and just for that, even if I don't end up giving it a 10, it shows how good this show is. I still don't even know what I find so amazing. Like, it delivers solidly, but for a show where I don't even have a massive fondness of the characters it's unusual how much I like it.

Consistency over a long span of episodes?  I can't really pinpoint any moment that I would consider a huge off episode.  I mean some arcs did less for me than others like Greed Island, but it's just been consistently intriguingly well paced and good fun every week.  The show has it's own rules and fight mechanics like any other show, but it has such a firm grasp on them as well as it's themes that everything just kind of ends up above average.  The only other Shonen Jump franchise that I feel comes anywhere near being as well realized is One Piece though this show has been like getting Impel Down/Marineford Arc caliber material almost every time.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on December 10, 2013, 10:59:58 PM
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This show is unreal.

Togashi is properly good at writing, I'll give you that (when he can be bothered), but don't ignore the fantastic work Madhouse is doing. They are adapting it pretty much perfectly,and I think they are making Hunter x Hunter a hundred times better than it was when it was just a manga (if only for visual quality).

Well Madhouse certainly adds a lot because Togashi sometimes devolved into chicken scratches with art quality at times haha.

But Togashi really is just a genius mangaka. He's unorthodox with his storytelling for one thing, but not in a pretentious manner. For example, there's been multiple times this arc where gon and/or killua just disappear off the screen altogether, and yet the story is still extremely captivating. He has such great abilities to be creative and fun, so nothing ever feels like it's getting old. Making fresh content for such a long period is no joke.

The one thing I will say though is I actually do think Hunter x Hunter does have an utterly superb cast. Almost no significant character feels throw away, and they have extremely compelling character development. Take the King in this arc...I doubt anyone would have expected a storyline like this when he first came into the show.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on December 11, 2013, 11:33:28 AM
I think the cast is great quite honestly. In fact it was probably the first shounen cast where I felt intrigued by every character. Gon is how you do a proper blood knight trope.

But it's mostly the writing. Togashi is very strange, but he doesn't make it come across as off-putting or overly cheezy, rather it's generally quite serious. But not so serious where it's not any fun. It's hard to describe really, the man has talent indeed. But I will hate him forever for his chicken scratches.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on December 17, 2013, 02:35:24 PM
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This episode was such a tease. I love how the characters really think about things going on and actually deduct information intelligently. Such a contrast to your usual RAWR WILLPOWER HULK SMASH you see in so many shonen action anime.

I'm literally drowning in the tension here, which is how it should be before the big confrontation. Seems we're finally arriving at the big event.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on December 24, 2013, 03:33:51 PM
110:
Hunter x Hunter... 2014... Sh*t's gonna go down and its gonna be big. I can feel it in my soul.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on December 26, 2013, 01:13:18 AM
110:

Aye, they had to do this to us before going on a 1 week break. Damnit.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 26, 2013, 03:12:09 AM
Curse the Japanese obsession with end of year variety shows.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on January 07, 2014, 12:40:40 PM
111:
Well that wiped the near-perpetual smirk off Pitou's face...
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on January 07, 2014, 03:07:52 PM
111:

****ing amazing.

I didn't want the episode to end. It was too ****ing good.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on January 07, 2014, 06:47:23 PM
Hunter x Hunter has as of this episode passed the LOGH series proper (not including prequel OVAs it totals 110 episodes) on the top notch consistency over a long period of time scale.  This is at least in the top 3 category of best anime series to debut in the 2000's and has a very good chance at becoming one of my favorite anime TV series ever by the end of it's run.  "Kids shows" really are where it is at these days and are really making the late night otaku oriented stuff look quite silly of late in terms of writing and consistent enjoyment.  And yes I realize that Hunter x Hunter is now in a late night Tuesday slot, but it is still a show that is ostensibly targeted at the Shonen demographic and flies in the face of the attitude that the genre is incapable of being anything more than power levels and "asspulls".
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 07, 2014, 07:57:33 PM
Funny how I was about to post something similar as being the most consistent long series since LOGH haha. I don't want to judge until the very end of course. Though I am glad my favorite shounen manga has been getting the love I never thought it would get.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: thanosmat on January 07, 2014, 08:13:45 PM
I think Jojo is more consistent. At least in part 3 (or 4) onwards. Comparing the manga of course
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 07, 2014, 08:21:13 PM
Well I meant in terms of long as heck anime series.

In terms of manga jojo is more consistent, it is always amazing. HxH had too many chicken scratch chapters for it to be always consistent.

Though ironically, hxh and jojo do have the best anime adaptions for a shounen series. Maybe because their authors won't let them screw around with their series? (Well that I've watched at least).

I'm glad they slowed down for this whole part like the 99 version. It just wouldn't sit right with me otherwise quite honestly. 
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on January 08, 2014, 04:29:22 AM
111:

Well what can i say? ****ing dragenz!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: P_Spiegel on January 08, 2014, 10:59:24 AM
I can say it now confidently : This is the best shounen manga adoption ever.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on January 08, 2014, 11:35:36 AM
111:

next week when
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on January 14, 2014, 02:58:36 PM
112:
Wow! The last third of that episode... Utterly fascinating on so many levels. It almost brings a tear to my eye.

And not gonna lie... This episode felt like ten minutes. And considering the episode went by in slow motion, that's saying something.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on January 14, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
112:

You just wouldn't expect your average shonen to have an emotional resonance so seemingly profound on this level. And yes, every episode feels so goddamn short.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on January 14, 2014, 04:06:20 PM
112:

You just wouldn't expect your average shonen to have an emotional resonance so seemingly profound on this level. And yes, every episode feels so goddamn short.
Not to mention its coming from the antagonists of all people.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on January 14, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
It was definitely not what I was expecting. The last third of the episode was fantastic. But I can't help but dislike the heavy narration. Everything said could have simply been perceived by the viewer. Maybe it was just too different. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the episode. It just felt strange, or I should say, I feel strange about it.   
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on January 21, 2014, 07:03:19 PM
113:
Now that I think about Togashi has used Komugi in a brilliant way. Because of Komugi, Pitou, who seemed like the most dangerous and instinct driven Royal Guard has now become much the opposite, while Shaiapouf who seemed like the most loyal and calm of the Royal Guards starts to become erratic and highly volatile. Well played Togashi, you magnificent bastard.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: The Big Guy on January 21, 2014, 07:43:51 PM
113:

This week on Narrator X Narrator, one of the characters actually spoke for the first time in a couple of episodes. The narrator's voice must be getting worn out after literally narrating the entire previous episode and most of this one.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on January 21, 2014, 09:20:23 PM
Just started on this series. I think this may be one of the best straight up shounens I've ever watched, and I can't believe it's not licensed in the US.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: SQA on January 21, 2014, 11:35:04 PM
Just started on this series. I think this may be one of the best straight up shounens I've ever watched, and I can't believe it's not licensed in the US.

I don't think there's much argument against it being the best Shounen Anime that's stretched past 2 cours. 

That said, this series is a hard, hard sell.  "It's a kids show!  It was on Saturday Mornings! Let's localize it... oh god, how many people just got murdered?!?!?!"  Thus, the problem.  It's a bit too content spanning to fit the hyper-focused audiences in most series that would require that much cost & investment to bring over.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on January 21, 2014, 11:37:09 PM
Just started on this series. I think this may be one of the best straight up shounens I've ever watched, and I can't believe it's not licensed in the US.

I don't think there's much argument against it being the best Shounen Anime that's stretched past 2 cours. 

That said, this series is a hard, hard sell.  "It's a kids show!  It was on Saturday Mornings! Let's localize it... oh god, how many people just got murdered?!?!?!"  Thus, the problem.  It's a bit too content spanning to fit the hyper-focused audiences in most series that would require that much cost & investment to bring over.

And the Japanese DVDs?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: SQA on January 22, 2014, 12:01:59 AM
Just started on this series. I think this may be one of the best straight up shounens I've ever watched, and I can't believe it's not licensed in the US.

I don't think there's much argument against it being the best Shounen Anime that's stretched past 2 cours. 

That said, this series is a hard, hard sell.  "It's a kids show!  It was on Saturday Mornings! Let's localize it... oh god, how many people just got murdered?!?!?!"  Thus, the problem.  It's a bit too content spanning to fit the hyper-focused audiences in most series that would require that much cost & investment to bring over.

And the Japanese DVDs?

Madhouse and NTV are producing it, along with the publisher.  It is a Jump series (even if it only pops up for Arcs every 2 years), so those don't come cheap.  I'd take the solid idea that the market for it is hard, as it would probably have to air on Adult Swim.  It seems like it would work there, but the problem with blended genre products in 1 culture is they have a real hard time fitting into another.  Especially for a 100+ episode series.

Maybe in 3-5 years, could get a NISA sub-only release.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 22, 2014, 07:34:05 AM
Yeah HxH the bad guys are too successful in their approach for it to be very kid friendly.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on January 22, 2014, 10:39:13 PM
Just started on this series. I think this may be one of the best straight up shounens I've ever watched, and I can't believe it's not licensed in the US.

I don't think there's much argument against it being the best Shounen Anime that's stretched past 2 cours. 

That said, this series is a hard, hard sell.  "It's a kids show!  It was on Saturday Mornings! Let's localize it... oh god, how many people just got murdered?!?!?!"  Thus, the problem.  It's a bit too content spanning to fit the hyper-focused audiences in most series that would require that much cost & investment to bring over.

Can I just add that I find more shows aimed at kids in Japan to be watchable than those that air late at night and are supposedly oriented towards adults of late.  I don't know if that says something about me or something about the state of adult-oriented anime these days.  In any case I've learned to drop the distinction between supposedly kiddie shows or not and just try out what seems like it'd be fun since I've realized over the years that just because something has a specific demographic in mind doesn't mean it still can't be good for other demographics as well.  For example Gundam Build Fighters is aimed both at the 8-15 demographic as well as older Gundam fans well into their adult years who feed off of the nostalgia and good fun the show provides week after week.  The ending theme for that show really sums it up quite succinctly in it's quirky limerick. (http://vimeo.com/84247418)

I'm also pretty sure Hunter x Hunter airs on Crunchyroll so in a way it technically is licensed in North America, just not for physical media release.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on January 23, 2014, 09:14:39 AM
26: Getting bored. I just really don't care about Killua's family. How much of that arc was REALLY necessary?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on January 23, 2014, 11:21:34 AM
26: Getting bored. I just really don't care about Killua's family. How much of that arc was REALLY necessary?

Extremely necessary. Killua's development is a long journey and it is through his friendship with Gon that he is able become a different person. It further cements all of Killua's struggles in life, and introduces several big players on the scene for future arcs.

Granted it's the shortest arc in the series by far for a reason.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 23, 2014, 11:40:38 AM
It's also to show Gon and some of his more..."insane" tendencies to some degree. Plus its to show how far Gon is willing to go for the sake of his friends (and heck even people he doesn't know).
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on January 28, 2014, 01:10:18 PM
114:
Good ep, but I wish they'd have covered up to the end of chapeter 273 to give us a cliffhanger of a lifetime.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on January 28, 2014, 05:58:37 PM
less narration = better episode.

The heavy narration just hasn't translated well, imo.

That isn't to say it has been bad, I mean, it is still Hunter x Hunter. I've personally found it to be jarring/needless.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Archon on January 30, 2014, 01:54:32 PM
I've been enjoying the Chimera Ant Arc for the most part, especially as its the first arc not to have been covered in the original Hunter X Hunter anime. That being said, they've sort of slowed down the rapid pacing that has worked so well throughout the show, and I agree that the heavy narration is a bit unnecessary. I'd rather see more of the fighting with less exposition, but I believe the anime is fairly close to being caught up with the manga, which could explain the downshift in pacing. But hey, Shoot flying around on one of his fists for over a full episode has been pretty cool right?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on January 30, 2014, 02:04:45 PM
I don't think they would slow down the pacing due to worry about getting caught up with the manga. Togashi isn't going to write fast or write more material just by waiting (as he writes new chapters at random). I think they just were trying to rush through all the old stuff because...well it's already been done before mainly. Actually the show has become very similar to the 99 version now, so maybe they are just trying to continue that style.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on January 30, 2014, 02:22:08 PM
I've been enjoying the Chimera Ant Arc for the most part, especially as its the first arc not to have been covered in the original Hunter X Hunter anime. That being said, they've sort of slowed down the rapid pacing that has worked so well throughout the show, and I agree that the heavy narration is a bit unnecessary. I'd rather see more of the fighting with less exposition, but I believe the anime is fairly close to being caught up with the manga, which could explain the downshift in pacing. But hey, Shoot flying around on one of his fists for over a full episode has been pretty cool right?

they've actually been adapting 2-3 chapters of the manga per episode, so it's not like their trying to prevent catching up (why would they? it's gonna happen). Remember back when we were in NGL? Some of those episodes were doing less then a chapter per episode. So yeah, just because events are playing out slowly doesn't mean Madhouse is padding stuff. They're just adapting the manga straight.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: SQA on January 30, 2014, 07:46:49 PM
Togashi switches styles up a lot.  That's part of his skill set.  Plus not turning in stories for 2 years at a time.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on February 03, 2014, 09:32:47 PM
66: To think the Hunter Exam was frightening, 50 episodes ago. Jeez, the power levels in this show keep stacking up. Killua probably just saved a lot of lives.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on February 04, 2014, 02:10:56 PM
Togashi switches styles up a lot.  That's part of his skill set.  Plus not turning in stories for 2 years at a time.

It kind of gives each arc its own distinct flavor and thematic tone though it doesn't give the show much of a sense of overall purpose or end goal like a lot of Shonen Jump starts off with.  It makes it work though as it kind of makes the series centered around the idea of adventure and discovery itself and gives him the very room he needs to do the things he does with each arc and keep changing it up so the series stays fresh.

Mind you I think the show did start off with Gons search for his father being the primary goal but has since evolved into its own thing and what it is today which is kind of a sandbox Shonen universe to play around with different ideas in.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: The Big Guy on February 04, 2014, 02:32:21 PM
115:

I'm getting closer and closer to just reading the manga, because man waiting another week is getting more and more painful as the series gets more and more tense.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on February 04, 2014, 03:14:48 PM
115:

It wasn't bad by any means, but Ikalago and Meloreon's story here isn't as interesting as the other ongoing events.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 04, 2014, 04:35:22 PM
115:
It wasn't bad by any means, but Ikalago and Meloreon's story here isn't as interesting as the other ongoing events.
Agreed. That ending though.

That being said, I love how they don't half-ass things. Every single move a character makes is thought so thoroughly, you'd be shocked this was a shounen jump show.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on February 07, 2014, 06:59:48 PM
115: Holy hell, this was worth catching up to.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 07, 2014, 07:26:11 PM
115: Holy hell, this was worth catching up to.
Good. Now you'll have to wait each week and suffer like the rest of us.  ;D
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on February 07, 2014, 07:30:45 PM
115: Holy hell, this was worth catching up to.
Good. Now you'll have to wait each week and suffer like the rest of us.  ;D

*sits down and plays Pokemon* Not that hard.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 07, 2014, 08:28:49 PM
and another hxh fanboy has been created woot.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 11, 2014, 12:40:04 PM
116:
I only have one word for that and that word is FANTASTIC!!!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on February 11, 2014, 01:09:04 PM
116:

Gon Freaks (out)

seriously though, they brought their animation a-game for this chapter and that makes me all kinds of happy.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: The Big Guy on February 11, 2014, 03:13:12 PM
116:

I think this is the first time in a long time that Gon actually acted like a 12 year old with that little temper tantrum. Probably the best part of the episode, and that says something, because every one of Gon's facial expressions was fantastic.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on February 11, 2014, 04:15:51 PM
116:

Holy shit. That episode was just amazing. The sheer emotion conveyed in every shot, every piece of sound... The voice acting. The animation. That was an absolutely perfect episode. HxH once again, goes places it hasn't before.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on February 11, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
That was probably one the best episodes of an anime that I have ever seen...and seeing how I've watched over 12,000 episodes...this was nothing short of phenomenal.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on February 11, 2014, 06:09:19 PM
I came.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on February 11, 2014, 08:16:46 PM
is it next Tuesday yet?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on February 11, 2014, 09:43:29 PM
116

The way madhouse portrayed Gon's Tantrum was just breath taking. It's like he was a totally different character. Gon Freaks is totally a freak.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 12, 2014, 09:19:15 AM
Really. I can't stop watching the last ten minutes or so of this episode over and over again. And every time I stand in awe at what I am watching. Hunter x Hunter just doesn't know to be bad.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 12, 2014, 10:24:53 AM
So curious. Do you think Gon is more at war with himself due to his blood knight tendencies, or due to the fact that he can't accept the reality of whats in front of him. Obviously it's a little of both but I wonder what the stronger factor with Gon is.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 12, 2014, 05:15:14 PM
I'm not sure why people are calling it a tantrum. Not only is it a massive understatement it also doesn't describe what it is at all. Gon is just utterly conflicted. He psyched himself up and was ready to destroy Neferpitou for what she/he did (I like to think of Pitou as a she personally but whatever), but he goes in and finds a situation that is completely unexpected. He is so angry that they aren't actually evil emotionless creatures, but instead are capable of being kind and proud. Gon only was able to get himself in murder mode because he thought of her as an absolute evil. Being confronted with evidence to the contrary, he can't deal with it. He refuses to believe it.

Fantastic episode btw.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on February 12, 2014, 05:50:52 PM
Hunter X Hunter has peaked. It is all downhill from here.

>.<
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 12, 2014, 05:57:32 PM
Hunter X Hunter has peaked. It is all downhill from here.

>.<
And the sky will turn purple... 
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on February 12, 2014, 06:36:23 PM
I'm not sure why people are calling it a tantrum. Not only is it a massive understatement it also doesn't describe what it is at all. Gon is just utterly conflicted. He psyched himself up and was ready to destroy Neferpitou for what she/he did (I like to think of Pitou as a she personally but whatever), but he goes in and finds a situation that is completely unexpected. He is so angry that they aren't actually evil emotionless creatures, but instead are capable of being kind and proud. Gon only was able to get himself in murder mode because he thought of her as an absolute evil. Being confronted with evidence to the contrary, he can't deal with it. He refuses to believe it.

Fantastic episode btw.

by definition, it was indeed a tantrum. Calling it just that and moving on just doesn't do justice to the writing however.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on February 12, 2014, 07:23:45 PM
Hunter X Hunter has peaked. It is all downhill from here.

>.<

I refuse to believe this.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 12, 2014, 08:12:56 PM
Actually the best is yet to come, no worries anime viewers.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on February 12, 2014, 09:21:17 PM
I'm not sure why people are calling it a tantrum.

Considering the way he acted and especially his age, i think it's good to call it a tantrum. It's like how a kid that can't get what he wants so he/she goes on a emotional outbreak

12 year old Kid: Mom, i want to play Call of Duty!
Mom: No! Finish your homework first!
12 year old Kid: I want to play call of duuuutttyy!! (Goes raging)

Gon: Pitou, heal Kite!
Pitou: No! Let me heal Komugi first!
Gon: Noooooooo heal kite!!!!! (Then goes to rage)

I do understand the psychological dilemma he is going through. If someone like Pitou can show kindness into a human being like Komugi, why can't she do the same for Kite? That is why he also said "It's unfair" during the course of his raging.

Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on February 12, 2014, 09:41:08 PM
I'm not sure why people are calling it a tantrum.

Considering the way he acted and especially his age, i think it's good to call it a tantrum. It's like how a kid that can't get what he wants so he/she goes on a emotional outbreak

12 year old Kid: Mom, i want to play Call of Duty!
Mom: No! Finish your homework first!
12 year old Kid: I want to play call of duuuutttyy!! (Goes raging)

Gon: Pitou, heal Kite!
Pitou: No! Let me heal Komugi first!
Gon: Noooooooo heal kite!!!!! (Then goes to rage)

I do understand the psychological dilemma he is going through. If someone like Pitou can show kindness into a human being like Komugi, why can't she do the same for Kite? That is why he also said "It's unfair" during the course of his raging.

I don't think that's quite the problem. Gon is angry because Pitou has the audacity to expect him to show mercy to the ones she cares about when she broke Kite like he was an expendable vase. That she can't make the emotional connection that Gon - and most humans - feel the exact same way when she nonchalantly murders so many. And the idea of standing back and letting Pitou get what she wants while he's lost his only real caring father figure mortally wounds him. He has every right to be pissed. I'm pretty sure a lot of adults would be this pissed, as well. Kids aren't the only ones who can through tantrums. If anything, this is the episode that really marks Gon's place as a human being. Up until this point, his emotions were often fairly subdued and relaxing.

He didn't have any right to say what he did to Killua, though. When someone is that angry, they forget that anybody else has emotional problems, as well. But that's not a justification, that's a bad flaw. Gon hasn't given nearly as much thought to Killua's emotions as he has his own, so what he said to him was pretty selfish.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on February 12, 2014, 11:45:53 PM
Well, what i said is just part of his psychological dilemma that he is having right now. Fumoffu and your points are also true when it comes to the reasons why Gon is so enraged and throwing 'tantrums".
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on February 13, 2014, 12:24:53 AM
But Gon doesn't ask Pitou to heal Kite at any point during his rampage (until Killua reinforces the fact). He just doesn't want to deal with her selfish problems.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on February 13, 2014, 12:30:48 AM
"Gon is angry because Pitou has the audacity to expect him to show mercy to the ones she cares about when she broke Kite like he was an expendable vase."
lol yeah I no can do forums.

Pretty much this. Gon doesn't perceive Pitou healing Komugi as an act of mercy. Pitou, as she herself stated, is motivated solely by a desire to please her King. Humans have no inherent value to her. Humans are only valuable if she believes they can be of benefit to the King or the King himself says they are. She lacks the oh so human value that life is precious; a believe paramount to Gon. It isn't quite that Gon now sees some semblance of humanity in Pitou. In fact, that Pitou would prioritize this randie despite what she did to Kite truly portrays just how inhuman she is. Gon asks "Do you remember me?" That Pitou didn't show remorse. That she didn't even acknowledge what she did to Kite. That was it. Gon's done with her.
 
Gon is even further pushed when he essentially has no choice but to accept her conditions. Despite the massive rage building inside him, he won't assault an unwilling Pitou(well he almost does but that undercuts my point. lets say that was to provoke her). He wants to fight her. He wants to dominate her. He wants to utterly defeats her. And yet, here is Pitou, brushing him aside. That she could prioritize Komugi over Kite is incomprehensible. Pitou has no right to control the situation. She doesn't get to dictate when/how this happens. (This also shows how single minded Gon is atm. He doesn't care that Komugi would die without Pitou's care or even that she was injured by their hand. Gon is discarding his humanity, to a point).

It was interesting that Pitou's and Pouf's opinion of Komugi's affect on the King were opposite, well sorta, or should I say, potentially. It wasn't clear whether Pitou agreed with Komugi humanizing the King or whether she just blindly likes the King and any King, personality wise, is still "King."

Also Gon and Killua's roles reversed. Gon is supposed to be Killua's humanity. Gon being Killua's entire world I'm sure those comments will have some lasting ramifications.

Boy was this post poorly articulated.

Also also stop calling it a "tantrum" No me gusta

Also also also Pitou healing Komugi is a selfish indulgence on her part. To Gon, Komugi isnt a person. Healing Komugi is the most important thing to Pitou so for Gon that is the worst thing he can let happen. Komugi has essentially been relgated to a goal/object Pitou wants and her succeeding is bad. But Gon relents so w/e.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on February 13, 2014, 01:13:32 AM
But Gon doesn't ask Pitou to heal Kite at any point during his rampage (until Killua reinforces the fact). He just doesn't want to deal with her selfish problems.

Yeah my mistake. He was asking(or forcing) Pitou to fight him instead
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on February 13, 2014, 07:15:08 AM
I don't think Gon really cares if this person is a killer. He certainly doesn't care that Hisoka is a killer, in fact there is no one he probably respects (in a weird sort of way) more than Hisoka. However Hisoka doesn't act like he thinks human life is precious so he doesn't care. The ant does, and that throws him off completely from his earlier actions. If Hisoka started acting like this he would also probably get pissed.

Now apart of this is moral. But I'm pretty sure the other part is that Gon is a "hunter" by nature. What I mean that, he doesn't want anything being a buzzkill to him. Notice how angry he got at Hanzo when he won against him in a way he couldn't accept. In a way he lives for thrills much like Uvogin and Hisoka. It's been building up the whole series and one day he may become completely like Hisoka where he just looks for excuses to have fights with stronger people.

Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Frodan on February 15, 2014, 04:44:33 PM
Made an account just to say how much I enjoyed episode 116. What a masterpiece! :)
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 18, 2014, 01:50:05 PM
117:
Great. Now we have to wait an hour and a half more for subbed episodes (As if the torture wasn't nearly unbearable enough). Well at least there's raw.

This episode was never going to equal 116 (Come on... That's like trying to match up to God.), so luckily it didn't even try and we are still treated to the an excellent episode. I think 112-115 were excellent too and can't understand people who thought otherwise at all, but this was definitely the best paced episode since the narration started. Good riddance to Cheetu though. Was starting to get annoying. And what a way to go. And the Knuckle/Shoot battle is still very involving. Also its probably not theirs, but I can totally imagine to Zoldycks having a giant pet dragon. ;D

EDIT: Watched it subbed and have a few things to add. First off, hah to Zeno's "My time was compressed!" Togashi was doing some winking at the audience there. Also Fumihiko Tachiki has been doing a really good job with Youpi and his rage too. And finally we get a confirmation on how much time has passed. Three minutes in six episodes.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on February 18, 2014, 03:31:35 PM
Anything would seem underwhelming after 116. But this episode was still great. Got rid of Cheetu, got to see some new creatures within HxH, got some headway with Yuupi/Pouf, and established a time frame. These three minutes...these three minutes. Well it took five minutes for Piccolo to charge the first special beam cannon and though I'm not sure how/if that has any relevance it was the first thing that came to mind.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 18, 2014, 04:23:59 PM
Someone on another forum was complaining about people who think HxH is boring cause there really hasn't been any major fighting. Which made me think... It's almost like Cheetu is those people's proxy. And Togashi had him brutally killed cause he wouldn't shut up... So what do you think that says?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on February 18, 2014, 04:33:44 PM
117:

Obviously this wasn't going to be as good as 116, but still a pretty solid episode.

Someone on another forum was complaining about people who think HxH is boring cause there really hasn't been any major fighting. Which made me think... It's almost like Cheetu is those people's proxy. And Togashi had him brutally killed cause he wouldn't shut up... So what do you think that says?

We were about to get some character development of Zeno as he would tell a bit about his life, but Cheetu just wanted to fight. Bam. Genius.

Interesting catch.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on February 18, 2014, 04:45:54 PM
117:

Just when I thought Knuckle was a good bro, he dropped Shoot and proceeded to put the entire plan at risk. Bro-code comes first I guess. I liked how the narrator called out his bullshit by referring to his resolve to whup Youpi's ass "a mistake"
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on February 18, 2014, 05:04:16 PM
The "mistake" was actually in reference to his initial reaction of "peace out with Shoot and leave Yuupi to guard an empty throne room". But I suppose it could easily be interpreted either way so who knows. Scratch that I'm dumb.

I did actually chuckle at the meta-ness of the Zeno-Cheetu exchange. I didn't think of it in reference to fan criticism, didn't know about that, but just a clever poke at the drastic shift in narrative structure/pacing. That "My time was compressed" line made it all too obvious. Either way it was a neat little scene/line.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: The Big Guy on February 18, 2014, 05:29:51 PM
117:

We've had 6 episodes that have covered a grand total of... 3 MINUTES. That's insane.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 18, 2014, 07:03:48 PM
To be fair the pacing of these episodes has been too slow. I'm not saying that I'm not enjoying it or that we should skip straight to the fighting, but what was covered in this episode? This is not peak form.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on February 18, 2014, 07:47:26 PM
I wonder if Nagai's death (Netero's VA :( RIP) has played any role in that.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 18, 2014, 08:00:16 PM
I wonder if Nagai's death (Netero's VA :( RIP) has played any role in that.
Could be. But the pacing adaption wise has been pretty much the same since the palace invasion started (Two chapters) I would just chalk it up to what the anime choose to adapt this episode.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on February 18, 2014, 10:12:03 PM
117:

We've had 6 episodes that have covered a grand total of... 3 MINUTES. That's insane.

I remember how there are like 10 episodes that covered 5 minutes of Namek exploding in DBZ.....

Either way, quite an underwhelming episode after the last one.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on February 25, 2014, 01:21:02 PM
118:

Man those last few minutes. Has there been any other lengthy shounen titles that were this well animated.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on February 25, 2014, 01:46:49 PM
118:

Man those last few minutes. Has there been any other lengthy shounen titles that were this well animated.
I'm sure there hasn't. Which baffles me when some people say Hunter x Hunter is cheaply made. I have no idea how they can honestly say that.

118:
Seven Episodes; Five Minutes.

And still despite all the time compression, Hunter x Hunter is the tensest experience currently in anime. Incredible...

EDIT: And yes. Killua is a total bad-ass.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 25, 2014, 06:47:35 PM
118:

I actually thought he was gonna die there. I was definitely hoping someone would intervene rather than thinking it would. Close call.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on March 04, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
119:
Ikalgo was being all MacGyver today. Have to really love how every character in Togashi's world never gets shafted.

Some of my favorite parts in the manga are coming out next.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on March 05, 2014, 04:51:25 AM
119:

and there goes Super Saiyan 2 Killua, and he's smokin.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on March 11, 2014, 03:00:12 PM
120:

Pouf is essentially a one-man trolling army
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on March 11, 2014, 03:23:48 PM
120:
Everything about Pouf is exaggerated to the max, right down to his nen abilities. I guess I can see where people would hate him, but I like how Togashi makes such colorful characters.

This episode once again proves why battles in HxH are the best in the genre. Strategy upon strategy upon strategy. And it all makes logical sense. And as usual, the psychology behind the fights is top rate. Wonder what it would be like if Togashi decided to become a psychologist.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on March 18, 2014, 03:15:06 PM
121:
 
So yea, Morel should be dead. He had 10 clones left and Youpi was slayin em' at a rate of about 1clone/2seconds...then 3minutes just pass in an instant? How did he survive for 25seconds let alone 180?

We see a return to the narration style that I haven't enjoyed. All this tell and not show, or rarther, tell while also showing is stupid. It is insulting to the audience. If you took out the narration, just kept the video/audio, the viewer should arrive at the same conclusions. Youpi went through a character arc, Knuckle is still a retard but with principles, and Knov looks hilarious.

Theoretically, Youpi could actually survive this arc. As a Royal Guard he doesn't seem to have that same urge to establish his own kingdom that some of the other ants have had (Lion dude, Scorpion/Reptile Feitan killed, Centaur dude that Kite killed). If he doesn't mate then a future Chimera Ant epidemic won't happen, or at least, he couldn't be the cause if one did occur. However, in order for him to survive, "they" (ranging from the current cast to potentially the Hunter Association) would have to spare him and, more relevantly, he would have to not lose his shit if/when the King is killed. And seeing how he is genetically predisposed to do just that should it hapen, it seems unlikely. Although, in an even unlikelier scenario, both Youpi and the King could survive. Since Youpi and the King seem to be traveling the same character arc, that is, they are more human than beast maybe we can all just get along. The King also seems to lack the whole species propagation imperative as well. F**k It. Just kill em all 
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on March 18, 2014, 04:07:20 PM
121:
Anyone who still really hates Knov when he broke down many episodes ago, well I just don't know what to say. He just gets sh*t done, despite being mentally broken beyond all repair.

121:
 
So yea, Morel should be dead. He had 10 clones left and Youpi was slayin em' at a rate of about 1clone/2seconds...then 3minutes just pass in an instant? How did he survive for 25seconds let alone 180?
I'm not sure why you'd think that. Knuckle stopped his APR before the estimated time passed, so we never know how much time has passed, since Morel gave the estimate and when he was saved by Meleoron. For all we know the whole part took just thirty seconds.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on March 18, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
121:

Gon's such a rude little thug telling Pouf off like that. So Knuckle, Shoot and Meleoron's accomplishments since this all began essentially add up to just annoying Youpi a lot, well, they sure tried.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on March 18, 2014, 04:57:39 PM
Why would I think that? "The interest rate on A.P.R. is 10% of borrowed aura, accrued every ten seconds." quoted from the HxH wikia. At the beginning of the episode Potclean was at 60k. It was later shown to be at 370k. That means it added interest atleast 18 more times. 18x10sec=180sec=3min

Can't quote. I'll learn to forum one day
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on March 19, 2014, 05:37:22 AM
Gon: Hey Killua say my name
Killua: Huh? Why now?
Gon: Just do it!
Killua: Gon
Gon: Killua

*Both laughs creepily.

This two shotas are on to something.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on March 19, 2014, 07:48:29 AM
I guess I don't really see the problem with the narration, to be honest. The thing is Togashi is such a fantastic writer that what may have been bad writing in lesser hands is excellent and unconventional in his hands. This isn't simple writing either. This isn't "Youpi developed as a character." This is "Youpi developed as a character (In detail)." This is what sets Togashi apart from most writers. The willing to go all in and leave no stone unturned. Now if they had the characters themselves telling the audience everything, that is what would be insulting to the audience. But not this.

On another note, its been quite fascinating how most of the royal guards have become the opposite of how they were when they were born. And yet its done so in a wholly believable way. And (again), the detailed narrator really helps make it that way.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on March 25, 2014, 04:05:09 PM
122:
Wait! Let me check......... Yep! I still think the narration is fantastic.

Not gonna lie though......... This episode had me at the edge of my seat. That's how tense it was. And the battle between the King and Netero really only just started. So yeah. It was all fantastic.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on March 31, 2014, 07:28:55 PM
122:

It's amazing how Meruem is so different right now compared during the time he was born. The most interesting part of his character development isn't just his moral evolution but his shift in his view about the value of life because it's so atypical of a shonen villain. The other chimera ants such as Youpi also acknowledges the effort of humans who have come to fight him. That is why Knuckle don't have the drive to destroy Youpi anymore and this is what happens when what you thought about something or someone is actually different than what you have originally thought.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on April 01, 2014, 12:39:43 PM
123:
Might as well get the bad out of the way. Not a huge fan of One Piece pacing. That being said, this episode was still great. And as usual Togashi always makes the villains more than they appear. Also the black centipedes are still gross.

More goodness to come next episode.

EDIT: Judging by the preview, it seems like they will be adapting three chapters next episode, so that would explain having only one chapter adapted this episode.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: The Big Guy on April 01, 2014, 07:31:18 PM
123:

Even this show's minor plot lines can be really tense, though not as amazing as Gon's episode. Welfin was great, and what could have been a weak episode after the King fight turned out to be a great one. Bravo.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Black Liliana on April 02, 2014, 11:24:58 PM
Just caught up to this. The thought put into the fights has been nothing short of astounding. I especially like how this recent mission's battles have not been isolated in that an ongoing battle can actually be influenced by other battles and characters in other groups. The narrator has been pretty hit-and-miss for me though.

Also, special mention to Episode 116, which is one of the best anime episodes I have had the pleasure of watching.

123:

Does anyone know how they turned Palm into a Chimera Ant? A Royal Guard ability, maybe?

It should be interesting to see whether Palm will succumb to the ant side or the human side. Although if the ED is to be believed, she will end up on the protagonist side sooner or later.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on April 08, 2014, 12:10:08 PM
124:
Excuse me while I go pick my mouth off the floor. Bear in mind, I've had to do this about fifteen times in this anime.

This episode was all high-quality action, incredibly tense, highly emotional and immensely disturbing in equal measures. I loved this in the manga and I love it even more in the anime. Excellent work by Kikuko Inoue and Mariya Ise as Palm and Killua respectively.

Honestly if this isn't the episode (And there have been plenty of other episodes I could say this) that makes you realize why Hunter x Hunter is the best shounen ever and that Togashi is the best shounen mangaka...

EDIT: Again, I just cant agree or even see the problem with the narration. It's been absolutely crucial and it really enhanced the scene when we find out what happened to Palm.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: The Big Guy on April 09, 2014, 12:04:26 AM
If there was one problem with the narration, its that the link between emotions and memories were mentioned twice, one after another. Honestly, that was the only problem I had with the episode, and that's just a minor nitpick. The rest was phenomenal, the moment when Killua started crying was pure gold.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on April 15, 2014, 01:04:56 PM
125:
Quickly! Name several synonyms for the word epic!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on April 15, 2014, 05:37:07 PM
125: The wait for the next episode is as painful as the wait for Kill la Kill's next episodes were.

Just... DVD release when? Do it NIS America.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on April 15, 2014, 06:47:47 PM
125:

That heart at the end made ma laugh but other than that, the tone and every scene especially the fight at the end was just....epic.

I really hope they continue the fight next episode and solely focus on that.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on April 15, 2014, 10:01:43 PM
125

Madhouse squeezing every ounce of directorial finesse it has to create some amazing tension.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on April 16, 2014, 09:18:47 AM
So manga readers, can you guys give me a guesstimate on how many episodes until this arc is over?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on April 16, 2014, 09:43:03 AM
So manga readers, can you guys give me a guesstimate on how many episodes until this arc is over?
An animation director actually tweeted that the arc would end at episode 135, which sound about right.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on April 16, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Cool, I'm gonna marathon the hell out of this when its done (well the chimera ant arc that is).
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Black Liliana on April 18, 2014, 09:35:51 AM
125:

HxH being great as usual. Pouf's thought processes continue to amuse me. The same is true for chibi Pouf. Apparently I'm the only one who likes chibi Pouf.

Anyway, just gonna leave this gem here that I found in The Cart Driver's comment section.

Quote from: LANGER link=http://thecartdriver.com/hunter-x-hunter-125-bug-stompin/#comment-118173
Some info on the physics of a 42 arm bitch slap –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRBoto9OMkI

P.S. I'm not breaking any rules, am I?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on April 18, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
For linking a Youtubes?  I'd have been banned years ago.  Just make sure that if it is NSFW you indicate as such as a courtesy.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on April 22, 2014, 07:13:22 AM
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1155593

Good morning, indeed!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on April 22, 2014, 08:14:44 AM
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1155593

Good morning, indeed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpCY-pq-ipA

This was basically my reaction.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on April 22, 2014, 09:29:19 AM
I'm pretty sure Togashi and Miura are the only authors who get that much attention from that.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on April 22, 2014, 12:27:51 PM
the reason why it's called Hiatus x Hiatus is because it's only written when Togashi is taking a hiatus from his long hiatus.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on April 22, 2014, 12:32:30 PM
126:

I came.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on April 22, 2014, 01:26:08 PM
126:

There are many reasons why Hunter x Hunter for me stands as the pinnacle of great shonen manga, but even in just your "typical" raw epic shonen battle (Though it's anything but typical) it manages to eclipse just about everything else out there.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on April 22, 2014, 01:44:03 PM
126:
What more needs to be said, really? Epic and perfect. You can't get any better than that.

EDIT: Why isn't there more posts about this episode? People too floored to even move their fingers? ;D
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: BloodMoney on April 22, 2014, 04:20:19 PM
Best anime episode of the year so far that's for sure. Never thought anything would beat ep 116.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on April 22, 2014, 04:43:18 PM
126: Neato.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on April 22, 2014, 07:58:33 PM
126

My jaw is open the entire episode. No words can describe the level of awesomeness of this one. Togashi and HxH at it's best.

But less narration would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: The Big Guy on April 22, 2014, 09:04:29 PM
126:

I'm not sure this matches the pure raw emotion of 116, but this was still incredible. The surprise at the end was brilliant, I didn't even see it coming.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on April 22, 2014, 10:52:45 PM
EDIT: Why isn't there more posts about this episode? People too floored to even move their fingers? ;D

We're running low on adjectives.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on April 23, 2014, 10:26:08 AM
One thing I just want to comment on about the episode.

It's so terribly ironic that the one thing the chimera ants could never match human beings in is their propensity for evil. Make no mistake regarding the symbolism during Netero's last speech to Mereum. The evolution he spoke of also had to do with depth of humanity's malice and cause for destruction.No wonder he felt fear.

This episode is downright poetic.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on April 29, 2014, 01:58:19 AM
Hunter X Hunter The Last Mission:

This one is worse than Phantom Rouge. The story is generic and the new villains are generic. Oh you think the friendship theme has been overdone in the last movie? Oh watch this one to get your mind blown. The fights......they are some of the most boring fights i have seen in a shonen anime(guess Togashi is the only one who can make them work) and the On concept is also pretty uninspired and unoriginal. The animation....seven hells even the TV series is way better from what i have seen. I can't believe Madhouse produced something like this.

Maybe some of you guys can enjoy this but...i want my money back..
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on April 29, 2014, 01:01:13 PM
127:
More epic Gon stares and it looks like Pouf and Youpi are going to go ballistic next episode.

EDIT: I can't wait to see people's reactions when "THAT" scene happens next episode.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on April 29, 2014, 02:42:34 PM
127:

Gon should become a professional interrogator if he makes it out of this alive.

I'd wet my pants if I was Pitou.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on April 29, 2014, 08:56:42 PM
127:

After watching the Last Mission, it's possible that the black aura that Gon is emitting is On, which is the opposite of Nen. While Nen utilize with using the life energy, On is derived from Hatred which can also be considered as a "death energy".
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: The Big Guy on May 06, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
128:

Quote
I can't wait to see people's reactions when "THAT" scene happens next episode

You know, when I read this, I was expecting something epic to happen, like the Netero-King fight. I was not expecting THAT. THAT... was something I was not expecting. AT ALL. Just... What. Was. That. I'm just saying. Forget Gochuumon, this show is the real MOE.

Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on May 06, 2014, 01:30:14 PM
128:
You know in retrospect, this volume cover makes perfect sense...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TaFoLsbIn2A/Th6UOnWKCuI/AAAAAAAAGm8/g0_1d5f8k3M/s1600/88330_201107130208236001310562575c.jpg

Well, I never thought for a second that Meruem was dead even before reading the manga. And all I need to do to prove it is one word: Komugi.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on May 06, 2014, 03:58:24 PM
128:

Quote
I can't wait to see people's reactions when "THAT" scene happens next episode

You know, when I read this, I was expecting something epic to happen, like the Netero-King fight. I was not expecting THAT. THAT... was something I was not expecting. AT ALL. Just... What. Was. That. I'm just saying. Forget Gochuumon, this show is the real MOE.
there's plenty of more THAT to come, hell were approaching the mother of all THATs in a couple of weeks
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on May 06, 2014, 06:10:36 PM
128:

Okay, those scenes with Youpi and Pouf having kingasm were awkward to watch(more creepy than what i remember in the manga) but the rest were fine.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on May 06, 2014, 07:24:11 PM
128: Hahaha, this show.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Archon on May 08, 2014, 03:11:25 PM
I'm a big Hunter X Hunter fan, watched the original series back in high school, and have been following the current one since it started. I've been enjoying the Chimera Ant arc, and I'm really excited by the new bad ass mofo side of Gon we're seeing, I can't wait to see him fight Pitou. However, I gotta say, I've been missing the adorable Gon Killua bromance scenes that were such a big part of the earlier arcs. I feel like we might be nearing the end of the arc finally, though I haven't read the manga so I don't really know, and I'm hoping for some of that heartwarming bromance before we reach the conclusion of the arc.

Also, do any fan's of the manga know if there are more arcs after the Chimera Ant arc? I'm wondering if the show's nearing it's end, or if we still have more arcs to go after this one. I really hope there are more arc's since I love the show, and there is still so much I want to see from it. Namely I wanna see Gon meet Ging and Ging be a bad ass and what not, but I also want to see more of the Phantom Troupe, more of Kurapika and Leorio, and more of Gon and Killua being top tier Hunters. Essentially I'm just hoping I've got more Hunter X Hunter to look forwards too, and that it will contain both characters we haven't seen in a while, and the satisfying resolution of ongoing plot lines.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on May 08, 2014, 04:02:30 PM
I'm a big Hunter X Hunter fan, watched the original series back in high school, and have been following the current one since it started. I've been enjoying the Chimera Ant arc, and I'm really excited by the new bad ass mofo side of Gon we're seeing, I can't wait to see him fight Pitou. However, I gotta say, I've been missing the adorable Gon Killua bromance scenes that were such a big part of the earlier arcs. I feel like we might be nearing the end of the arc finally, though I haven't read the manga so I don't really know, and I'm hoping for some of that heartwarming bromance before we reach the conclusion of the arc.

Also, do any fan's of the manga know if there are more arcs after the Chimera Ant arc? I'm wondering if the show's nearing it's end, or if we still have more arcs to go after this one. I really hope there are more arc's since I love the show, and there is still so much I want to see from it. Namely I wanna see Gon meet Ging and Ging be a bad ass and what not, but I also want to see more of the Phantom Troupe, more of Kurapika and Leorio, and more of Gon and Killua being top tier Hunters. Essentially I'm just hoping I've got more Hunter X Hunter to look forwards too, and that it will contain both characters we haven't seen in a while, and the satisfying resolution of ongoing plot lines.
There is one short arc after the Ant arc. The manga had been on hiatus ever since (hasn't been a new chapter in a couple years). The manga is returning this summer however. My guess is that the anime will stop after the next story arc and will let the manga build-up for awhile before returning.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Archon on May 08, 2014, 04:15:22 PM
Darn. That's both good and bad news for me. Glad there will be more, sad that it might be a while. I forgot that Togashi takes long ass hiatus's. That's why the last anime stopped where it did, Chimera Ant arc hadn't been written yet.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on May 08, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
The next arc is the 13th Hunter Chairman Election arc. That arc is still pretty good and i hope madhouse will still adapt it.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on May 08, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
The next arc is the 13th Hunter Chairman Election arc. That arc is still pretty good and i hope madhouse will still adapt it.
I don't see why they wouldn't. The end of that arc had a decent stopping point.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Archon on May 09, 2014, 03:17:42 AM
Oh poor chairman Netero, you were such a bad ass. I will miss your awesome stache. Though now I have my fingers crossed for the appearance of Ging as the next chairman.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on May 13, 2014, 01:24:11 PM
129:
Pouf is so deliciously evil, you can't help but love him. And his seiyuu is fantastic. More bad-ass Killua is also good.

These episodes, with their layers upon layers of strategy and people trying to outsmart others are always my favorite. They just undeniably prove why HxH is one of the best shounen out there.

The next two episodes will be great. That preview... :(
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on May 13, 2014, 02:11:00 PM
129:

Unexpected display of mercy to Youpi. The king has accepted the human ego as a part of their evolution? Interesting.

Alas, we must wait a week once again...
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on May 20, 2014, 04:08:48 PM
130:
My heart isn't going to be able to take next episode, is it?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on May 20, 2014, 05:57:36 PM
130:

Hercules gon here we come.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on May 20, 2014, 06:04:00 PM
130:

Next week when
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on May 20, 2014, 09:58:04 PM
130:

On one hand I'm happy we're going to get awesome staff for next week's episode, on the other I'm a tiny bit peeved they dragged the second half of this episode even though Megumi Han is so good at VAing Gon.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on May 20, 2014, 10:59:18 PM
As a reminder to everybody, these threads are designed for people following along with the episodes weekly to discuss them amongst others doing the same thing.  If you're reading them, and get spoilered, that's your own ****ing problem.  Please do not report this to the moderators.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: BloodMoney on May 21, 2014, 12:47:54 AM
As a reminder to everybody, these threads are designed for people following along with the episodes weekly to discuss them amongst others doing the same thing.  If you're reading them, and get spoilered, that's your own ****ing problem.  Please do not report this to the moderators.
Redgrave's comment is a manga spoiler not an anime spoiler.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on May 21, 2014, 01:20:18 AM
If you'll peruse the thread, you'll note that we have several manga readers who have spoken of upcoming events with anticipation.  The manga has been out for years, and all of the current arc has been done and dusted for a while.  At this point, this is like complaining about someone posting the "Spike Dies" spoiler.  It has gone beyond a point of relevancy.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on May 21, 2014, 11:20:36 AM
There's nothing in that post that indicates a real spoiler. I'm a manga reader myself. Unless the naming of a future arc somehow spoils someone considering we know Netero is already dead. It's a minor thing, don't get bugged up about it.  Or is that he said "Hercules" Gon? Gon is going to roid rage?

This isn't like spoiling the Red Wedding or anything.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on May 27, 2014, 11:58:01 AM
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Puberty man, dayum
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on May 27, 2014, 12:39:54 PM
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I would not have changed a single second, a single frame, a single OST or a single voice.

That was just perfect.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on May 27, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
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When Gon first came into this world with Kite, he was an unprepared child. Gon's desire to throw away everything to become an adult who can deal with the world before him is both tragic and disturbing.  needless to say, this was an amazing episode.

Oh and I doubt you guys would complain about it, but vows and limitations are why Gon could do what he did so it's not an ass pull!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on May 27, 2014, 10:01:56 PM
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Fatality!

Nenroid Gon was a sight to behold especially that transformation. I luv you madhouse <3
Too bad Pitou had to die that way. I kinda like her and think she's kinda hot(No, i'm not really into Nekomimis)

Oh and I doubt you guys would complain about it, but vows and limitations are why Gon could do what he did so it's not an ass pull!

True. All they need to do is look back of how Nen works again. A condition and a condition
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Archon on May 29, 2014, 11:54:57 AM
Man, that was intense. I was hoping to see Ging become the new chairman in the next arc, but now I'm like, aight Gon, you're ready. Be the chairman kid.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 03, 2014, 02:17:17 PM
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Definitely a breather episode. Next episode is going to be good though. One of my favorite plot twists in the arc is coming up.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on June 04, 2014, 09:28:42 PM
Last few episodes were tremendous.   Such excellent execution.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 05, 2014, 01:40:40 AM
I've heard too many good things to pass this up. I stopped watching Hunter x Hunter right after the York arc (if that was its name). Can I pick up the latest arc without too much confusion?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on June 05, 2014, 08:40:47 AM
I've heard too many good things to pass this up. I stopped watching Hunter x Hunter right after the York arc (if that was its name). Can I pick up the latest arc without too much confusion?

Yes, you should be fine.   The only character you may not know is Biscuit a little blond girl who trains Gon and Killua during the Greed Island arc.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 06, 2014, 12:22:39 AM
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The series so far has been...decent I'd say. But this episode was almost farcical. The queen and her soldiers were responsible for the capture, slaughter, and consumption of thousands of people. Trying to save her life to stop the soldiers is a deal with the devil at best, but when only a couple out of 28 actually give a crap, it makes no sense at all. Actually screw that, those three hunters could probably have decimated every single one of those soldiers once they leave the safety of the fortress, where the royal guards were waiting, so them leaving is the best possible thing to have happened. That most of the soldiers are still alive at all makes me question whether the hunters were just screwing around for the whole month. When I saw there was a random baby nestled between the queen's internal organs (what the balls was the giant green womb the king came out of then?!?) that was discovered IMMEDIATELY after her death, I nearly flipped my table over. Then everyone started crying over this inane baby and decided to let it and Colt walk away, just because they (non verbally?!?!!?!?) gave their word that they'd stop being a menace to humans. The mangaka is trying to force a tragedy involving what has been until now a gruesome, terrifying enemy for absolutely no reason, and his efforts are transparent and trample on everything he's built up so far. All of this summates to a staggeringly stupid, immersion destroying mountain of failure.

Look guys, my faith was already shaken by one of the worst changes of pace I'd ever seen, when they abruptly ended Gon and Killua's participation in the chimera ant hunt for a lengthy training arc. I've seen some potential, but things are going to have to get unimaginably good for me to overlook this travesty. Is this arc really all it's cracked up to be? 

EDIT: So the first thing that happens in 93 is that Gon has to go on a date with Palm (lol, fapping). Lord Jesus help me. My faith in the good people at NHRV hasn't been so tested since Mawaru Penguindrum.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 06, 2014, 10:40:50 AM
I thought of writing a huge response, but others have already communicated very well the special qualities of this series and of each individual episode. I very much like Guardian Enzo's take on Hunter x Hunter and he's a great blogger to read for getting insight into why fans love this manga and Togashi very much. He's blogged every episode himself.

http://www.lostinanime.com/2013/08/hunter-x-hunter-92.html

The only thing I'll say is that you have to understand that the chimera ants are not humans. Their cause is a fundamental one: the survival of their species. What moved Morel and Knuckle in that scene is the utter devotion Colt displayed towards the queen. It becomes very hard to see all chimera ants as evil when you see such fundamental human qualities in them. Obviously the chimera ants and humans are two existences that will likely not be able to coexist in any large capacity, but they are not mindless beasts that they are trying to put down. They are now a powerful, self-aware life form.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 06, 2014, 01:15:12 PM
I'll also add that it makes perfect strategic sense to keep Colt alive. He has valuable intel they need since everything has now went to hell. And Colt is being kept a very close eye on.

Also, not having the training arc wouldn't make any sense. Gon and Killua can't just get stronger than Pitou overnight. Maybe in a show like Bleach, but in Togashi's world, power doesn't come free or easily.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 06, 2014, 01:30:25 PM
The Chimera Ants have been interesting and effective villains. I get that the ants are neither human nor dumb beasts; that much has been made abundantly clear by the large variety in the ant character's personalities. I think what matters is that they are sentient, intelligent, and made the decision to massacre humans. It wasn't for survival; the ants can eat other stuff, we saw the queen eating fish. They did it so the king would be strong enough to seize control of the planet. The queen said as much in her dying moments. The ants may or may not be evil, but I think they are indisputably dangerous to every other life form on earth. 

On loyalty and human qualities; loyalty and devotion are morally neutral traits. It's not like being human is inherently good either. Atrocities have been committed in real life by people fanatically devoted to all kinds of stupid, dangerous causes, and the qualities you mention only make it harder to dissuade them. Loyalty to his queen is what made Colt, the ant we sympathize with most, organize and lead the human culling, and therefore do worse harm than arguably any other soldier.

Given the abundant evidence, I believe all the ants that had a hand in the conquest-driven harvest are not only deserving of death, but are an active and extreme threat to every human and animal on the planet. It's baffling to me that the mangaka is suddenly asking me to think otherwise while presenting absolutely no counterpoints whatsoever, for the sake of tragedy that not even the blog post you linked found compelling. Again, the ants were already strong villains; this farce adds nothing to their appeal for me, and detracts quite a bit.

EDIT: I'll respond to MCAL as well.

I'm not sure what intel Colt has left to offer. He knew the chain of command and the operations most of the soldiers were doing, but now almost all of them have jumped ship. He has no part in the King's plans. What does he know that we don't? I can only say that he might know the soldier's abilities, but since they all developed Nen, even that may no longer be the case. In the first place, their original deal makes no sense. As for watching him, as I said above I just think he should be dead.

I'm aware that it 'makes sense' that the main duo train, but that doesn't mean that the problems that plague traditional training arcs like this disappear; namely, that they are overlong and boring. I'm willing to slog through one for the sake of all the awesome stuff I keep hearing about, but at best this adds nothing to what is otherwise (or so I hope) an outstanding story. Couldn't we have just done some in-combat training, or some triple teaming? Is it unthinkable for an important fight to not be concluded one-on-one?   

Man, I've been butting a lot of heads recently. I think I should change my footnote to reflect this.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 06, 2014, 03:40:06 PM
The Chimera Ants have been interesting and effective villains. I get that the ants are neither human nor dumb beasts; that much has been made abundantly clear by the large variety in the ant character's personalities. I think what matters is that they are sentient, intelligent, and made the decision to massacre humans. It wasn't for survival; the ants can eat other stuff, we saw the queen eating fish.
What do you mean? Here's how it went down. The queen was eating fish. They weren't good enough. She made some (Non-sentient) soldiers to fetch her better food, which just unfortunately were humans. Human meat was the most nutritious for her, more nutritious then all the other meat, so she has no reason to eat anything else. She then made human-ant chimera so it would be easier to get more human meat, where she found out that they were even more sentient than her, which would make it easier to get more food for her to survive.

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They did it so the king would be strong enough to seize control of the planet. The queen said as much in her dying moments. The ants may or may not be evil, but I think they are indisputably dangerous to every other life form on earth.
The Queen's sole purpose in life is to create the King though. And her ant children are used for that job too. If there's no King, then the Chimera Ant would die out, so making a King is absolutely essential for survival.

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On loyalty and human qualities; loyalty and devotion are morally neutral traits. It's not like being human is inherently good either. Atrocities have been committed in real life by people fanatically devoted to all kinds of stupid, dangerous causes, and the qualities you mention only make it harder to dissuade them. Loyalty to his queen is what made Colt, the ant we sympathize with most, organize and lead the human culling, and therefore do worse harm than arguably any other soldier.
But being loyal to the queen is part of the Chimera Ant's psychology though (Except for the Royal Guard who are only loyal to the King). It is what they are all about.

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Given the abundant evidence, I believe all the ants that had a hand in the conquest-driven harvest are not only deserving of death, but are an active and extreme threat to every human and animal on the planet. It's baffling to me that the mangaka is suddenly asking me to think otherwise while presenting absolutely no counterpoints whatsoever, for the sake of tragedy that not even the blog post you linked found compelling. Again, the ants were already strong villains; this farce adds nothing to their appeal for me, and detracts quite a bit.
Except not all the Ants killed humans for conquest or for sport or just because they felt like it. And those who did are the ones who left the nest and will be eliminated. Meanwhile Colt only did what he did to help his queen.

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I'm not sure what intel Colt has left to offer. He knew the chain of command and the operations most of the soldiers were doing, but now almost all of them have jumped ship. He has no part in the King's plans. What does he know that we don't? I can only say that he might know the soldier's abilities, but since they all developed Nen, even that may no longer be the case. In the first place, their original deal makes no sense. As for watching him, as I said above I just think he should be dead.
He knows how many ants left the nest, he know who the Ants are who left the nest, he knows most of their personalities (Which can be important in guessing what they might do) and while he may or may not know all Nen abilities, he knows which Ants (Like Hagya and Rammot) are more dangerous than others. And since all the Ants who didn't leave the nest trust Colt and he them, he can keep them all in line. What do the hunters know? That a bunch of Ants left the nest and nothing else.

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I'm aware that it 'makes sense' that the main duo train, but that doesn't mean that the problems that plague traditional training arcs like this disappear; namely, that they are overlong and boring. I'm willing to slog through one for the sake of all the awesome stuff I keep hearing about, but at best this adds nothing to what is otherwise (or so I hope) an outstanding story. Couldn't we have just done some in-combat training, or some triple teaming? Is it unthinkable for an important fight to not be concluded one-on-one?
Fair enough, though several plot related events were happening in between and the characterizations of Knuckle, Shoot and Palm will set the stage for other later events.

They're gonna start humanizing the Chimera Ant King soon (As well as the Royal Guard). So I'll say if you won't be able to handle that, you should just drop the show now.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 06, 2014, 03:54:30 PM
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Et tu, Tako!?! Look, it's simple. If you want your villains to have heroic characteristics, DON'T MAKE THEM SENSELESS MASS MURDERERS FIRST BLARGH.

 
@MCAL
Not sure what you're trying to say with the first three points; I assume you disagree, but...it sort of looks like you're agreeing with me. I'll just say that the king doesn't have to be as powerful as possible for the species to survive, but the queen wants him to be and doesn't care if tons of people (which you're telling me she knows are sentient) have to die for it. And to what end? So that king can eventually help make an even stronger one, by murdering all the nen users? Seems dangerous and remorseless as all hell.

I'm actually fine with the ants who did the senseless killing, because the mangaka isn't trying to paint them in a good light like he is with Colt and the queen. Not sure why you mention them but point to Colt as a counter example, when Colt is the one I'm attacking in the first place. A lot of humans kill each other senselessly in this setting; not as many lead a culling against the human race as a whole.   

If the three best hunters don't have any idea how many ants there are after a whole month hunting them, humanity is doomed. And personalities?!? I cannot come up with a realistic scenario where that would be even slightly useful. Gang members should definitely try selling out their homie's personalities as a plea bargain, so the cops can make a fun 'How Gansta Are You' quiz and sell it for loads of money. In any case, the narrator has already been telling me what the ants want to do, become kings kill humans reproduce etc.

I admit I'm deeply worried about further humaniz- screw it, propaganda, but since it involves four characters who have a lot of room to grow, maybe it will be done...tastefully?

EDIT: IT'S A LITTLE GIRL HUNTER X HUNTER DON'T YOU DARE
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 06, 2014, 04:56:46 PM
Not sure what you're trying to say with the first three points; I assume you disagree, but...it sort of looks like you're agreeing with me. I'll just say that the king doesn't have to be as powerful as possible for the species to survive, but the queen wants him to be and doesn't care if tons of people (which you're telling me she knows are sentient) have to die for it. And to what end? So that king can eventually help make an even stronger one, by murdering all the nen users? Seems dangerous and remorseless as all hell.
How is the Queen wanting her child to be strong any different from a human mother wanting what's best for her child? Also, you're not looking at it from her perspective. For us humans, what the queen is doing is horrendous. But to her she is just doing what she has known her entire life to do.

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I'm actually fine with the ants who did the senseless killing, because the mangaka isn't trying to paint them in a good light like he is with Colt and the queen. Not sure why you mention them but point to Colt as a counter example, when Colt is the one I'm attacking in the first place. A lot of humans kill each other senselessly in this setting; not as many lead a culling against the human race as a whole.
But again, his attacking humans is all part of his instinct to serve his queen. It's an intrinsic part of his DNA. Togashi isn't telling you Colt is a good guy, Togashi is telling you that while Colt has done horrible things, it was down out of loyalty. Something by itself is at the very least admirable.

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If the three best hunters don't have any idea how many ants there are after a whole month hunting them, humanity is doomed.
The ants eventually went into hiding after a while. And the King was born way faster then expected so they they were taking their time too.

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And personalities?!? I cannot come up with a realistic scenario where that would be even slightly useful.
Then a question. Based on his personality, is Rammot A.) Gonna live a quite life of solitude. Or B.) Kill the crap out of a bunch of humans?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 06, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
I think Togashi poses very challenging questions in the Chimera Ant saga. You seem to believe because of their sentience that they should be accountable for their actions towards humans, but consider how long it took humanity to progress to our stage of morality today. We are long ways off from our days of bopping other cavemen on the head with clubs to steal their women and possessions, but it took thousands of years. Even then, humanity still has a long ways to go as a whole. Countless animal species go extinct because of humans. The chimera ants have undergone rapid biological evolution, but the development of their society is in its baby stages. What we're witnessing in this arc are the first steps of a species with equal intelligence to human beings. To ensure the success of their species they are doing all they can to gain control of the world. However, as one can see quite well in this arc, the human ego has played a lot of havoc with the chimera ants. Also the fact that some of them are starting to remember their past as human beings or animals is a game changer as well.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 06, 2014, 08:20:33 PM
@MCAL
I think I'll sum up my response as, if killing people for the purpose of taking over the world is not a choice but an inherent part of the Chimera Ant's identity, then they are inherently a threat to the existence of humans, and every single one of them must die before they fulfill their incredibly specific purpose, including Colt and the baby.
As for the personality thing...you're going to have to spell it out, because right now I don't think there's any possibility that this is going somewhere.

@Reckoner
Well, you've certainly given me pause. I suppose we can't hold a less developed species to the same moral standards as a more enlightened one. I guess the question is; do we risk waiting for the ants to figure things out for themselves, or do we enforce what we know?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on June 07, 2014, 08:55:04 AM
@MCAL
I think I'll sum up my response as, if killing people for the purpose of taking over the world is not a choice but an inherent part of the Chimera Ant's identity, then they are inherently a threat to the existence of humans, and every single one of them must die before they fulfill their incredibly specific purpose, including Colt and the baby.
As for the personality thing...you're going to have to spell it out, because right now I don't think there's any possibility that this is going somewhere.

Y'see, as things move along, the whole idea of "Chimera Ant identity" is somewhat blurred. Having human intelligence grants them the ability to make choices that aren't instinctual (which is what separates them from beasts). They don't have to serve their Queen (pretty obvious since some ants like the lion dude didn't give a rat's ass about her), nor do they have to eat people if they so choose. Their evolution ironically enough is  counter-intuitive to the birth of the creation of the Chimera Ant dominion because of these "personalities" clashing with their basic raison d'etre.

Colt and the baby aren't inherent threats to humanity considering A) Colt only hunted people for the sake of the Queen and he now no longer has that motivation. B) It's a baby.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 07, 2014, 08:25:04 PM
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Since I was approaching the episode which everybody on the internet was losing their minds over, I figured I'd stop and see what you guys were saying. Apparently I've already reached the good stuff.

I do think most of the stuff in the castle has been a definite step up. Stuff I liked included Knov's break-in and breakdown, the slow-motion bits as everyone ran up the stairs, and Pouf going nuts. The king's development with Komugi was gradual and genuine, and aside from the kid being incredibly wise, I don't have much cause for complaint. There's been some less interesting stuff, like Palm, the chameleon, and the octopus, but overall what I've seen so far is a solid 7 (ignoring what's happened beforehand), probably not as high as most of you, but I agree it's good. 

On the other hand, one thing I don't get at all is why everyone likes 116 so much. I was mostly just confused. So Gon and Killua are running in to meet Pitou, and at this point I'm expecting that the sight of her saving an innocent girl's life, even if it's just because of orders, would be her humanizing moment. But apparently Pitou suddenly developed an immense appreciation for Komugi off screen, because according to Killua, she looks like she's acting like a mother, and she truly believes that the girl's influence is a good thing. This being the same person who didn't give a crap that Komugi was getting attacked by a bird just a day ago. Look, I'm perfectly willing to believe that Komugi could win over the king and all three royal guards, but you have to actually show me that shit! Springing this from no where is basically cheating at character development, because it apparently happens when I can't see it, and only comes into play when it can make a confrontation more interesting.

Then Gon reveals that he needs to be pleaded and begged before he's willing to prioritize the life of an innocent girl over attacking Pitou immediately. Right now, while his friends are risking their lives, he's decided he's going to sit on his ass, stare at Pitou for an hour, then leave the girl there barely out of critical condition, to fix Kite, who is in no danger at all. He'd better come to his senses and cut that out, or I'm going to lose a ton of respect for him.

It was definitely an intense moment, but when the main things on my mind while watching are whether I'd missed an episode, and how big of a jerk the MC has suddenly decided to be, I'm definitely not in awe. The episode was OK overall in my opinion, but nothing that would stick out in my memory for very long.   
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 07, 2014, 11:50:11 PM
On the other hand, one thing I don't get at all is why everyone likes 116 so much. I was mostly just confused. So Gon and Killua are running in to meet Pitou, and at this point I'm expecting that the sight of her saving an innocent girl's life, even if it's just because of orders, would be her humanizing moment. But apparently Pitou suddenly developed an immense appreciation for Komugi off screen, because according to Killua, she looks like she's acting like a mother, and she truly believes that the girl's influence is a good thing. This being the same person who didn't give a crap that Komugi was getting attacked by a bird just a day ago. Look, I'm perfectly willing to believe that Komugi could win over the king and all three royal guards, but you have to actually show me that shit! Springing this from no where is basically cheating at character development, because it apparently happens when I can't see it, and only comes into play when it can make a confrontation more interesting.

I think it's an extremely mistaken assumption to think that Pitou is defending Komugi because he appreciates Komugi and her influence on the King. He's defending Komugi for the sake of the king who, for the first time ever, made a genuine request to Pitou. It is something that only he could accomplish for the King, and it isn't an order, but a request by the King to do something very important for him. Pitou is very touched by this and that is why Pitou is doing everything possible to fulfill the King's request, especially considering what he saw when finding the king holding komugi's body tenderly in the room.

Then Gon reveals that he needs to be pleaded and begged before he's willing to prioritize the life of an innocent girl over attacking Pitou immediately. Right now, while his friends are risking their lives, he's decided he's going to sit on his ass, stare at Pitou for an hour, then leave the girl there barely out of critical condition, to fix Kite, who is in no danger at all. He'd better come to his senses and cut that out, or I'm going to lose a ton of respect for him.

It was definitely an intense moment, but when the main things on my mind while watching are whether I'd missed an episode, and how big of a jerk the MC has suddenly decided to be, I'm definitely not in awe. The episode was OK overall in my opinion, but nothing that would stick out in my memory for very long.   

Gon and Killua had two goals on this mission: to save Kite and to keep Pitou's attention away from the King. They cannot save Kite without Pitou healing him, and if Pitou is perfectly wiling to sit down and waste time healing a human girl, then this actually fulfills their mission quite well. There's no guarantee that Pitou will do what Gon wants after healing Komugi (healing Kite), but at the bare minimum Pitou is out of the fight and that's all they needed to do.

The reason Gon was freaking out is because up until that moment, he believed Pitou to be utterly devoid of ethics. Gon saw Pitou as a heartless creature that has no regard for anything. It's easy to kill something you see as evil. However, this isn't what Gon has got at all. In fact, Pitou displays the ability to love and care for another (the King) and is willing to sacrifice himself out of devotion to the King. Pitou pleads Gon for mercy and this makes Gon's psyche break down because this image of an utterly evil entity in Gon's head is shattered. To him, it's absolutely preposterous that Pitou could do what he did to Kite in cold blood, yet ask him for the very thing he did not give to Gon. Gon has a strange code of ethics but you could see how he got really pissed off at the spiders in yorkshin when they clearly displayed care for their comrades, but not the lives of strangers and civilians that they killed.

It is really painful in that episode to see Killua watching his friend in such a dark state. Nonetheless, he is able to muster enough will to logically think his actions here through a little better. Having Pitou heal Komugi for them is completely advantageous to them.

I also think it's clear in this story that trying to pain things in black and white is not good idea (Killua is an assassin who has already killed many for goodness sake). Gon's descent into darkness is part of what makes this arc so fascinating. Togashi beauitfully deconstructs his character as that pure world view he always has held, which has often resulted in very reckless behavior, is finally crashing down in this story.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 08, 2014, 12:51:05 AM
I think it's an extremely mistaken assumption to think that Pitou is defending Komugi because he appreciates Komugi and her influence on the King.

Dude, her exact words were "She's the reason the king is who he is. If she dies, the king will cease to be who he is. She's that important." I don't see how else to interpret that. 

Believe me, I expected that Gon would be angry and would struggle to do the right thing. His anger at what happened to Kite has been built up enough.

My complaint is not so much that what Gon chooses to do is callous, though that's somewhat disappointing. It's that he's being a complete moron. Before Killua intervened, he was either doing the most inappropriate posturing of all time, or was seriously about to kill Pitou, thereby screwing over Kite and letting the girl die. He then decides to merely endanger the girl, because he's impatient. That's incomprehensible. It would have been so simple to remove the stupidity from this; just have Gon say that he's leaving the girl in bad condition as insurance that Pitou actually fixes Kite; then it's callous, but at least makes sense. Of course he's still screwing his friends, but I don't know what you can do about that.

In summary this isn't a descent into darkness, if we are going in that direction, so much as a revelation that Gon secretly drinks and is going to be an abusive alcoholic from now on.

EDIT: AYYY HE BASICALLY DID IT
BOY IM GOOD
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 08, 2014, 03:39:21 AM
I think it's an extremely mistaken assumption to think that Pitou is defending Komugi because he appreciates Komugi and her influence on the King.

Dude, her exact words were "She's the reason the king is who he is. If she dies, the king will cease to be who he is. She's that important." I don't see how else to interpret that.
I'm not sure why this seems so unbelievable. The King completely ignored his enemies, walked slowly to Pitou than asked him for his help even telling him "I'm counting on you" something that to Pitou was unthinkable that he started tearing up because of the King's new found humility. Why wouldn't he realize the importance of Komugi to the King right then and there?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 08, 2014, 04:17:17 AM
I'm actually not sure what you're trying to say or who you're directing that post at, MCAL.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 08, 2014, 04:30:10 AM
I'm actually not sure what you're trying to say or who you're directing that post at, MCAL.
You. What I'm saying is Pitou's actions and feelings regarding Komugi make perfect sense given the evidence. It happened fast, sure, but It also fits with the theme of "Accelerated Growth" that has been underpinning the entire arc.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 08, 2014, 05:37:11 AM
I think I see. You're basically asking me to swallow an on-the-spot change of heart. At best, that wastes the opportunity for it to happen naturally, and for Pitou, the king, and Komugi to have a meaningful interaction. At worst, that's horrible writing. In no case am I glad to see it happen, and all this is if I'm extremely generous and say that kind of behavior makes perfect sense and is reasonable to expect. 

EDIT: I finally caught up. I have to say, episodes 130 and 131 were what I was waiting for the entire time. They were visceral, gripping, haunting, powerful. Some of the best episodes I've seen in a long time, and definitely the best of the season. Maybe good enough to make up for everything else, I don't know. I'll edit this post again later. 
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on June 08, 2014, 07:19:41 AM
Marid, there was a very clear development that happened to Pitou way back in episode 113. You're just misunderstanding the development that happened to begin with.

Pitou hasn't gained any respect for Komugi as a person or decided that she was worth protecting for her qualities. She's realized just how pivotal Komugi is to the King as he is now.

Yes, Marid, a lot can change in a single moment. A man's mentality can change completely if he sees the girl he's had a crush on kissing someone else - that's a singular moment, isn't it? If someone falls dead in front of you, that'll do some good to change how you feel. Pitou watched the King treat this human girl - someone completely irrelevant, if not dangerous to their cause - gently, with the desire to preserve and protect. Up until this point, the Chimera Ants have never thought of treating the humans with the same level of respect they treated themselves; consider the mere idea of freeing the slaves to most southerners at the time. That speaks quite a bit to Pitou - it's a change in what anyone would expect the king of all people to be doing. And that's where her "motherly" aspect comes in.

Komugi represents the King as he is now. She's not defending Komugi, she's guarding the King's decisions and changes and accepting them for what they are with her life, despite the fact she may not be one hundred percent keen on them. Essentially, what a mother may typically do for her child at times, archetypally. This is important to foil her reaction to the King's growth with Pouf's. If Pitou is like a mother preserving her child's growth, Pouf is like a father who will do anything to keep his son on the path he'd already chosen. Pouf has spent much more time with Komugi and the King, and has already recognized the effects the girl has had on him, but does not understand the sheer level of importance Komugi holds to the King. There's no denying his devotion to the King, but he's not really putting his desires first, by any means.

This was never about Komugi. It's only directly about Komugi when we're getting into the King's head.

That's my two cents, take it however you wish to.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 08, 2014, 09:11:03 AM
Dude, her exact words were "She's the reason the king is who he is. If she dies, the king will cease to be who he is. She's that important." I don't see how else to interpret that.

You're not understanding the nuance of what I was trying to point out. She wants to defend Komugi because she is important to the King. Pitou bares no special feelings for Komugi himself other than what she means to the king. Given the utter devotion and loyalty the royal guard have towards the King, this isn't so hard to accept is it?

Believe me, I expected that Gon would be angry and would struggle to do the right thing. His anger at what happened to Kite has been built up enough.

My complaint is not so much that what Gon chooses to do is callous, though that's somewhat disappointing. It's that he's being a complete moron. Before Killua intervened, he was either doing the most inappropriate posturing of all time, or was seriously about to kill Pitou, thereby screwing over Kite and letting the girl die. He then decides to merely endanger the girl, because he's impatient. That's incomprehensible. It would have been so simple to remove the stupidity from this; just have Gon say that he's leaving the girl in bad condition as insurance that Pitou actually fixes Kite; then it's callous, but at least makes sense. Of course he's still screwing his friends, but I don't know what you can do about that.

In summary this isn't a descent into darkness, if we are going in that direction, so much as a revelation that Gon secretly drinks and is going to be an abusive alcoholic from now on.

EDIT: AYYY HE BASICALLY DID IT
BOY IM GOOD

You're making it seem like the plan originally was that it was possible to negotiate with Pitou.I think it is not giving enough credit to the psychological battle that took place for Gon to accept the absurdity of Pitou's request. They had no reason to believe that Pitou was anything but an inhuman monster. It's not about being smart as what Gon had to go through is extremely tough emotionally. Logically speaking, it takes a lot to trust in Pitou's word given the view he had of him in his mind. Only Killua's calm and rational analysis was able to see through the situation. Nonetheless, remember that Gon and Killua are very much children (Though they are warped by life's circumstances), so there is a limit to what each of them is capable of dealing with.

Anyhow I think Kiniest said anything I could have said as well.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 08, 2014, 04:02:16 PM
@Kiniest
In my response to MCAL I was already entertaining the possibility that the change of heart is realistic. As I said, I don't see how it's a good thing even then.

@Kiniest and Reckoner
I'm not deluded that Pitou wants to save Komugi because she is personally attached to her. I specifically used the word 'appreciation' and pointed to Komugi's influence, not the girl herself. But in any case, I think we're talking about two different things, so I'll restate my point.

There are only a few possibilities:
A) Pitou is mindlessly devoted to the King, and therefore is willing to protect anything that is important to him, regardless of whether or not she personally approves. If I understand, this is what you think the change of heart is: from Komugi being not important to Pitou, to being so, purely from her complete devotion to the king. I can swallow this. 
B) Pitou personally approves of the changes Komugi incited, and wants to save her at least partially for this reason. This is what is implied by the lines I quoted, and by Youpi and Pouf's later dialogue. As Pouf clearly demonstrates, loyalty has absolutely nothing to do with with your personal views on the matter. It doesn't matter if you see the king being really upset about it, because that in no way means what he's doing falls in line with your own ideals. As I said, Komugi's influence clearly meant nothing to Pitou within a day of the attack. Then at the confrontation, with nothing happening on-screen in between, it suddenly matters greatly. That is what I think is ridiculous, and a detriment to the integrity of the characters. If I'm mistaken, it's because the lines I quoted don't mean what I think they do, or I missed Pitou having some relevant on-screen development. Otherwise, I can't see where I went wrong. 

@Reckoner
Having caught up, I'm willing to offer that Gon might have been employing obfuscating stupidity, because he knew that Pitou would do her best to trick him. If you're going to tell me that the stupidity was genuine, but excusable because of how upset/young Gon was, then we disagree fundamentally on the ethical issue at hand. I believe that threatening the life of an innocent child for no good reason is obviously unjustifiable, because by definition you have no reason to do so. I said I'd be OK with a hostage situation, because at least then you're weighing one life against another. If Gon isn't managing to do even that, then I have no sympathy or respect for him.

I went ahead and read the manga to see the end of this arc, so I'm basically done. I was going to give my retrospective in my previous post, but since I had something to reply to, I'll do it here.

Overall, I'd give this a low 7. It's better than average for sure, and while there are highs and lows, there are ultimately more of the former. Do I feel that this was epic, amazing, brilliant, etc like everyone else? No. There are exactly two episodes that I think fully deserve the praise that is heaped on this arc. The rest of the time, I just don't see it. The arc plays out like a combination of the Aizen and Chunin Exams arcs from Bleach and Naruto, except the characters are pulling 180s like it's a skateboard competition. If there's something that distinguishes Hunter x Hunter in my eyes, it's that tries to go in all kinds of directions with it's tone, plot, and character development. While I admire the ambition and appreciate the variety, I think that more often than not, the show trips on itself with poorly thought-out execution, which made up the bulk of my complaints while posting.

Sometimes everyone on a forum will agree, except for the one black sheep, and I guess this time that's me. If I have anything to say for myself, it's that I'm not doing it on purpose. I came into this thing super hyped, but found that for whatever reason, I was watching a different show from everybody else. The last time this happened was when I forced myself through 24 episodes of Mawaru Penguindrum, a show I could barely stand, because I saw the 9/10 on the Nihon Review and kept expecting things to pick up. This has been a rather different experience. I didn't mind watching Hunter x Hunter, and there was in fact payoff near the very end. But ultimately after 60 episodes, I'm still feeling somewhat screwed. I think I might just jump right into the thick of things from now on. 

Trust, but verify, I suppose.     
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on June 08, 2014, 05:47:21 PM
Just stopping by to say that I am well accustomed to and proud of playing that black sheep role.  Better honest than just another voice lost amidst the sea of internet posting.  That said I'm kind of with the majority on this one that it's one of the best long running shows I've ever seen, particularly this arc that has been really well realized and brought up the sort of discussion on society and human nature, it's virtues and it's sins, but most importantly it's potential that I just love to see out of my entertainment.  It's nice once in a while to actually be a part of the majority opinion on an anime and not having to feel ashamed about it at the same time because god knows it doesn't happen all that often.  I mean for example if I were to go with the majority opinion on this particular season of anime as the internet sees it that would mean I'd have to find No Game No Life exceptional and then I'd probably have to kill myself.  :o
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 10, 2014, 12:30:54 PM
133:
Well they definitely aren't ending it in the next two episodes at the pace they are going. At this rate looks like Episode 136.

Anyway, you got to love how Togashi turns shounen cliches on their head. This time its the "Enemy surviving an attack that should have killed them" cliche, by making the bomb kill them after all.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on June 10, 2014, 01:25:22 PM
133:

Cancer time. Humanity fights dirty
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 10, 2014, 01:32:09 PM
133:

Got to love Togashi. You think he invokes a shonen cliche, but in reality, he turned it on its head. He could survive the explosion, but not the physical effects thereafter.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on June 10, 2014, 02:16:12 PM
133:

Got to love Togashi. You think he invokes a shonen cliche, but in reality, he turned it on its head. He could survive the explosion, but not the physical effects thereafter.
As a finale it's pretty logical. But it's not the most exciting. However, given how strong the King is, a climactic finish seems impossible at this point.

Humanity had this fight won the moment Gon finished Neferpitou
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 17, 2014, 02:22:58 PM
Basically this episode was Togashi telling all those other shounen writers to stay in the shallow end of the pool so they don't drown.

The realistic (sometimes brutally so) imagery, the insane amount of dialogue, how every character is important both plot wise and thematically,how well developed the antagonists are that they'll do unlikely things that in retrospect make perfect sense and the completely unconventional way in which the all powerful main villain is stopped. And of course Madhouse's execution makes it all the more better. It all combines to create absolute perfection.

Looks like Madhouse is changing the order of events around, which is actually a good idea (And this doesn't contradict Anbiru-san's tweets). The story will be able to flow better that way and that leaves last episode dedicated completely to a coda.

Next episode: FeelsxFeels. Bring those tissues.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 17, 2014, 06:14:45 PM
134:

Incredibly powerful episode. Got to love the imagery at the beginning (One of the images is actually taken from the Vietname war). The moral ambiguity woven into the King's character is such utter genius. Here we have the most devastating force that mankind may have ever seen that must be stopped at all cost, yet Togashi manages to make you feel empathy for Meruem and the ants. It may be a necessary victory for humanity, but a very ugly one that blackens the soul.

Next week is feels x feels indeed.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on June 17, 2014, 07:44:03 PM
76-104: I believe this will be the best shounen arc I've ever watched by the end of this. And that's saying a whole lot because I've watched a wholeeeee lot of shounen. I've waited 8 years for this to be animated haha.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on June 21, 2014, 05:10:04 PM
105-134: Da best shounen anime ever made.

My only criticism for this arc is Gon's otherwise extreme feelings for Kite, a character that really wasn't apart of Gon's life enough to warrant such a reaction. If it was literally any other he's come into contact with it would've been more reasonable quite honestly. Don't get me wrong, Kite was cool and all and I liked him as a character, but it was a bit of a stretch for Gon to sacrifice this much for him. Now we all know Gon is kinda psycho and maybe we could just pass it off as that, plus the feelings of guilt he had. Still I don't think it was nearly as effective as it should have been. For example during the flashbacks of remembering Kite, it literally was just a bunch of irrelevant fights and not really the time they had bonded with each others.

The other complaint I have about the whole Pitou/Kite/Gon thing is, they happened to be the 3 least fleshed out characters in this arc. Heck even Welfin got much much more than those 3 did in terms of characterization. Which is funny because of how much build up was spent on those three. Though I feel like Togashi was mainly using it as a catalyst for all the development Killua got. Which in that case I really can't complain.

As for everything else about the arc, it's friggin brilliant. The amount of characterization and development that goes on during a single event is second to none. Mureum, Pouf, Youpi, Welfin, all extremely well done villains (everyone hates Pouf I know, but damn is he fun to hate). Killua is just flat out amazing in this arc, and even the side characters felt like they got a lot of justice done to them. Was very very happy with it overall.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on June 24, 2014, 01:04:01 PM
135:

Beautiful.

I'm sorry I'm not doing the usual thing where you explain why you like or dislike something that much, but if a show has ever deserved a single word to describe my opinion, it's this one.

So I'll say it again.

Beautiful.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on June 24, 2014, 03:00:44 PM
105-134: Da best shounen anime ever made.

My only criticism for this arc is Gon's otherwise extreme feelings for Kite, a character that really wasn't apart of Gon's life enough to warrant such a reaction. If it was literally any other he's come into contact with it would've been more reasonable quite honestly. Don't get me wrong, Kite was cool and all and I liked him as a character, but it was a bit of a stretch for Gon to sacrifice this much for him. Now we all know Gon is kinda psycho and maybe we could just pass it off as that, plus the feelings of guilt he had. Still I don't think it was nearly as effective as it should have been. For example during the flashbacks of remembering Kite, it literally was just a bunch of irrelevant fights and not really the time they had bonded with each others.

The other complaint I have about the whole Pitou/Kite/Gon thing is, they happened to be the 3 least fleshed out characters in this arc. Heck even Welfin got much much more than those 3 did in terms of characterization. Which is funny because of how much build up was spent on those three. Though I feel like Togashi was mainly using it as a catalyst for all the development Killua got. Which in that case I really can't complain.
I think Gon felt as if he's been cheated out of furthering his relationship with this great mentor figure, besides, he's a just a young'un who's never had to deal with the death of a friend. Add to that the perceived unfairness of Pitou healing Komugi and you have a recipe for an unstable emotional outburst.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on June 24, 2014, 04:23:20 PM
135:
These are the episodes that really tell you that Hunter x Hunter is better then every single shounen out here. To have the most emotional moment come to the King of all people is truly surprising. Madhouse did an excellent job. I wouldn't change a single scene.

Next week, this arc will be over. What a ride its been. This arc will go down as one of the most morally complex arcs in shounen history in my book.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on June 24, 2014, 04:28:51 PM
Fair enough, I could see it rolling that way. I just think in comparison to say...the bond we have with Komugi and Mureum, it's just not as emotionally effective on the audience.

135: This was the best episode in the whole arc if you ask me, and that's saying alot. It was so so so sooooooooooo good. Man am I depressed now though. Mureum has taken his place as the best shounen antagonist for me by far.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on June 24, 2014, 05:15:18 PM
Basically, the ant arc has been the Kaiji of shounen anime.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on June 24, 2014, 06:57:45 PM
That was so horrible.

Gradually, so gradually, the king turned from an evil antagonist to someone I cared about, and that final scene between him and Komugi was so brutal, so tragic. It's not like what I usually experience anime that have death scenes, in which I am somewhat happy that I am so moved, this was just so upsetting. Just thinking about the scene and how the characters must feel makes me so incredibly sad.

I feel like someone I actually known has died.


Also, regarding Kite. A friend of mine who reads the manga told me than the one thing the anime messed up is how they completely underplayed the relationship between Kite and Gon. Kite was basically a father to Gon. They were actually incredibly close in the manga. The anime just didn't show it, I don't know why.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on June 24, 2014, 07:32:52 PM
Episode 135:

It's been a while since having so much water in my eyes. This episode especially the end scene with Meruem and Komugi was a masterpiece to me. Madhouse perfected it with the tone, mood, animation and music at their disposal. Ah, Goddamn this just reinforces for Meruem becoming my favorite shonen antagonist/villain of all time. Excuse me while i get more tissue.

Goddamn you Togashi and Madhouse.

Now i hope they'll adapt the 13th hunter election arc.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 24, 2014, 08:48:15 PM
135:

Oh Togashi, you never cease to amaze me. What's with this water in my eyes? Suffice to say, if you were wondering why Togashi kept Meruem alive a little while longer, now you have your answer.

Also I picked up this exquisite post off MAL that really explains Meruem's character. I don't know if Madrid King cares to read anymore about HxH, but maybe it shines a bit more on why his character and this arc is so effective at manipulating our emotions.

Quote from: Dangerr
Others have responded, but I want to make my own input. I'm not sure about your predispositions on morality, ethics, and justice, but I'm betting you're a strong supporter of retributive justice - that all crimes should be punished accordingly, no matter the circumstances. Barring the restorative vs retributive justice argument from the onset, I would say that for the circumstances regarding Meruem, there needs to be special considerations, as it's very hard to apply human notions of morality to something that lies outside of that boundary.

What first must be considered is that he's essentially an infant - he, along with most other chimera ants,  have inherited human intellect and the ability to communicate as such from the moment of birth from residual memory. Not all ants, however, have memories of prior lives, and such "blank slates" are born with the ant instinct overpowering any notions of human society or values - it seemed especially strong in Meruem when he was born, because as all ants value most, his strength was the greatest, which meant however he imposed himself on the world was the only justice to chimera ants. Try to put yourself in Meruem's perspective at the onset - you've just recently emerged from the womb, and everything defers to you. You're all-powerful, and you know it. You know nothing of individualistic society and values, and you have no reason to care; you're an ant, and you must pave way in the world for your race. What Meruem lacked from the onset was perspective - he knew nothing of humanity, their values, or their worth; all he recognized was strength.

One month later, enter Komugi. We all know how their relationship pans out, and how Meruem comes to see the worth in humans. The point is, it took the miracle of prolonged human interaction and intimacy, something that directly contradicts the simple yet powerful drive of ants, to give him a growth in perspective; that his human intelligence and latent desire to sate his emotional and philosophical hunger could only be realized by interacting with another individual - someone that doesn't immediately deign to his every command. The point is, in the beginning, he was only following his nature - you can't tell me that the Meruem we saw at the end was the same monster driven by the desire to rule over all - he simply wanted to die playing a game with the human he had grown to admire and love, without an ounce of bitterness or malice.

If you've ever watched Star Trek:TNG, then you just may have seen the episodes involving the "Crystalline Entity" (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Crystalline_Entity). The Federation has the capability of destroying a being that has devoured the life-force of planets once and for all, but Captain Picard, whom holds the authority, has great reservations about doing so. Picard, quintessential humanist and model starfleet officer, upholds the value of all sentient  lifeforms - in order to properly judge something, there must be an understanding between parties of what it is doing wrong. There was strong evidence to suggest that the Entity was sentient, but had no known means of communicating with humanoid lifeforms - how can we label it as evil or unjust when it has no idea that it's committing a crime to begin with? As Picard states, "The sperm whale on Earth devours millions of cuttlefish as it roams the oceans. It is not evil. It is feeding." It lacks the human perspective, and essentially, that's what Meruem lacked before he met Komugi, which is why he's a special consideration regarding his human killings before he intrinsically knew what it meant to be human. Morality, ethics, and justice are all products of society - aspects of social contract - something Meruem was strictly divorced from until he found Komugi.

Most forms of media use manipulative means to make us empathize with an antagonist without proper considerations of their development, but Meruem's was about as deliberate and exquisite as you could expect it to get. I love his character, and Togashi ended the arc with the beautiful irony of making us weep for what we were originally expecting to be the ultimate enemy of mankind, when in the end, it ended up representing all that is good about humanity. The tragedy of Meruem and the chimera ants in general is that they are born as living-contradictions - they cannot possibly hope to sate their dual natures in equal measure, so they must end up ultimately choosing that nature for themselves. Meruem made his choice in the end, and it took the very object that would kill him to make him see the desire of living as a human - that only when he lost his memory of Komugi could he truly feel what he had been missing; a feeling of profound emptiness without her.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 24, 2014, 10:07:44 PM
Having watched a ton of episodes and made multiple posts, I'm still invested enough to pop in here every now and then, if only until the arc I watched ends.

I read the manga ending, but I suppose I could watch one more episode.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on June 25, 2014, 12:33:42 AM
135:  That was a really interesting journey of a long arc with some unexpected twists and themes, it kind of reminds me of the way that Togashi handled the 3 Kings arc at the end of Yu Yu Hakusho where it kind of tackles the issue of where someone goes once they've essentially reached the peak of their strength and there's nothing left to prove.  Instead here though it's tackles issues of society and it's structure and how not everything is as black and white as we sometimes tend to see it.   It's some really tricky stuff to try and right about it so the guy really deserves a lot of credit for taking that angle and really doing quite well with it.  The Chimera Ant's get progressively more complicated and how they deal with their situations and emerging humanity really makes them the true stars of this arc with the regular casts sort of like guests of honor who get to take part in it all.  This is Shonen Jump stuff at it's best though that's not to say the show hasn't been pretty consistent up until now.  About the only arc I can say I wasn't entirely engrossed in was the Greed Island one.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 25, 2014, 02:02:09 AM
135:

Props to the animators. The conclusion was wonderfully realized, with all sorts of different styles and effects. As for the the rest of it, I found it touching and tidy; I just wish it would have been less melodramatic. Some of the dialogue tore my eyes away from the beautiful artwork because I had to roll them. No, I didn't cry. Overall, this was more of the usual from Hunter x Hunter; experimental, varied, ambitious, and in my lonely opinion, decent. But boy did it get a good paint job.

This episode prompted a response on NHRV that I've seen multiple times before; that this arc represents the best that Shounen has to offer. I found this somewhat interesting. My own experience with shounen started with Naruto; I then heard Bleach was better, saw it, and couldn't fathom how this could be the case. I then heard Fairy Tail was better than both, saw that, and was even more baffled. Then I heard the One Piece was the one true shounen, but at this point I just couldn't be bothered. Basically the same thing has happened with Hunter x Hunter. It rather amuses me that I might simply be a lone Narutard fighting an impossible battle behind enemy lines in the Shounen War.

EDIT: Whoops, forgot to delete the rejected points.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on June 25, 2014, 07:14:38 AM
Lawl bleach had a decent start but then squandered off into one of the most horrid shounens ever created. I'll be honest, it's the only shounen that I've gotten past 50 episodes and still ended up dropping.

Naruto is fun but just has a very very poorly written plot. It's character development makes it easy to get attached to characters is it's main strong point. Both it and bleach still suffer from having way too many underdeveloped and unfleshed characters.

One piece is more just a ton of fun. It's more absurdly goofy then most other shounen but still manages to do emotional moments very well. Unfortunately it does have a tendency to cop out a bit too much which can lead to immersion breaking moments.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 25, 2014, 09:23:56 AM
Naruto was honestly a  decent shounen (Talking manga not anime since part 1 fillers were HELL and beginning of Part 2 was done horribly) until the end of the Pain arc where Kishimoto cut off his balls. Sure it had its flaws, Kishi doesn't know how to write about women characters for one thing, but it had good stuff even if it was a bit simplistic. The manga however didn't truly fall off completely until we got to the war and we had the zombie legion.

Bleach was fun until after the first 63 episodes or so. Then Kubo revealed himself to be a hack.

I'm not a One Piece watcher so I cannot really comment. I blame 4Kids for ruining my introduction to the series way back when.

Originally though one of my favorite shounen series was Yu Yu Hakusho and it's no surprise Togashi was behind that one. Only problem is he obliterated the ending of the show basically because the editors meddled too much with him. Now they treat him like god at shounen jump so he gets to do whatever the **** he wants and boy am I glad he has the creative control he does now since H x H is easily  my favorite long running shounen action show.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on June 25, 2014, 10:45:02 AM
Naruto was honestly a  decent shounen (Talking manga not anime since part 1 fillers were HELL and beginning of Part 2 was done horribly) until the end of the Pain arc where Kishimoto cut off his balls. Sure it had its flaws, Kishi doesn't know how to write about women characters for one thing, but it had good stuff even if it was a bit simplistic. The manga however didn't truly fall off completely until we got to the war and we had the zombie legion.

Bleach was fun until after the first 63 episodes or so. Then Kubo revealed himself to be a hack.

I'm not a One Piece watcher so I cannot really comment. I blame 4Kids for ruining my introduction to the series way back when.

Originally though one of my favorite shounen series was Yu Yu Hakusho and it's no surprise Togashi was behind that one. Only problem is he obliterated the ending of the show basically because the editors meddled too much with him. Now they treat him like god at shounen jump so he gets to do whatever the **** he wants and boy am I glad he has the creative control he does now since H x H is easily  my favorite long running shounen action show.

As I understand it Bleach and Naruto and whatever happened there are the main reason Shonen action genre is kind of maligned these days.  Personally I've never gotten the hate for the genre as with the good ones I find the episodes readily watchable in bunches.  For example with this show I'll watch 3-4 episodes like its nothing and really can't watch it week to week at all to the point where I'll have to stop for a month then watch the months episodes in like an hour or so.  Likewise with One Piece I'll go months without watching and then do like 20-30 episodes in a few days.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on June 25, 2014, 11:58:05 AM
Quote
Kishi doesn't know how to write about women characters for one thing

Show me a shounen battle manga with a good female character and I'll show you a shounen battle manga that's actually shoujo in disguise.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on June 25, 2014, 12:04:04 PM
With one piece I just watch entire arcs then stop until the next one gives me plenty of breather room. I'm pretty happy with the females in hxh and one piece though.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 25, 2014, 12:22:52 PM
Show me a shounen battle manga with a good female character and I'll show you a shounen battle manga that's actually shoujo in disguise.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Some of the things Kishi has done in Naruto have been pretty embarrassing at times with his female characters.

Hunter x Hunter does not commit the same errors by any stretch of the imagination. Certainly it is biased towards male characters (In terms of ratio), as is almost any shonen battle manga, but the few prominent female characters it has have been quite swell. I thought Komugi was a particularly well conceived female character and the results speak for themselves in this arc. And who doesn't like Biscuit? Togashi definitely breaks the mold IMO.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 25, 2014, 02:33:07 PM
In the latest manga chapters, my friends and I joke that Kishimoto has made Satan female.

Komugi is alright, but my main problem with females in shounen is that female characters never win battles important to the plot, which is a problem given how combat-focused the genre is. By this metric, Bleach, Naruto, and Hunter x Hunter are all equally guilty. Strangely enough, Erza from Fairy Tail is the exception. Actually, despite the insane amount of fanservice, the girls of Fairy Tail are generally decent characters. Wonder if TIF agrees.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on June 25, 2014, 04:02:40 PM
Haven't watched Fairy Tail, so I can't comment.  However, that seems to be the other flip.  You can be a strong fighting female, but you're going to show titties and arguably your clothing will be made of paper.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on June 25, 2014, 04:04:54 PM
In the latest manga chapters, my friends and I joke that Kishimoto has made Satan female.

Komugi is alright, but my main problem with females in shounen is that female characters never win battles important to the plot, which is a problem given how combat-focused the genre is. By this metric, Bleach, Naruto, and Hunter x Hunter are all equally guilty. Strangely enough, Erza from Fairy Tail is the exception. Actually, despite the insane amount of fanservice, the girls of Fairy Tail are generally decent characters. Wonder if TIF agrees.
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I wouldn't lump HxH in that boat since those other examples (barring Fairy Tail ofc) all have their females lose most of the time, HxH doesn't even have female characters that fight. It never demeans nor attempt to empower the female gender, thus really should not be a part of this conversation.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on June 25, 2014, 04:15:58 PM
I don't know if anyone here is catch up to Naruto but Naruto is a walking contradiction and a fake underdog. Everything that Kishi have worked for during part 1 where "hardwork will payoff" was a complete lie. I have dropped Fairy Tail a long time ago because the 7 year time skip arc was just godawful. Oh and Tite Kubo should be a fashion designer instead not a mangaka.

HxH and Magi are currently the best long running battle shonen. Though as far as Shonen in general i still believe Rurouni Kenshin is the best personally. Nothing will ever beat Trust and Betrayal for me(Though i guess this is more like a Seinen).

Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 25, 2014, 04:21:55 PM
Well that's the thing. The errors of stuff like Bleach and Naruto is they make exceptionally poor use of the female characters it has. HxH doesn't even have those kinds of female characters to make poor use of since there just isn't a main female cast member who tagging alongside Gon throughout the story. The most we had is Biscuit in Greed Island and her contribution to the final fight was equal to Killua. Also for TIF:

(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130723031158/hunterxhunter/images/4/47/Biscuit_Full_Body_View.jpg)

Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on June 25, 2014, 04:32:56 PM
As someone who is watching all those long running shounen, I have a couple of things to say.

Firstly, about Fairy Tail girls, whilst they are strong in the sense that they contribute to the fighting as much as the males, and that some of them have "strong" personality traits, however towards the end of the first season, and in this season, the general quality of the characters themselves has dropped significantly as their personalities have become flanderised [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization]. I used to really enjoy Fairy Tail, but then it failed because it started doing things that essentially ever other shounen is guilty of. The girls in FT are also so overly sexualised and objectified I find it disappointing, as in I hoped for better.

Oddly enough, I am enjoying the current arc of Naruto, not the whole war, but this most recent arc where we have had our major plot twist (which although was somewhat contrived, I really liked how it fitted in with the narrative and how the guy was essentially Naruto when he was young), and it's had the balls to actually go and kill some characters, major characters even. To be honest, if not for Hunter x Hunter completely trashing my expectations of what a long running shounen could be, I'd say that at the moment Naruto is my favourite of those long running shounen.

Bleach was the "coolest" of them, that's for sure. The story was terrible and it was written generally poorly, but I have to give credit to how great it looks. As for females in Bleach, they are utterly Eye Candy. Sure they are pretty cool and likable, but they contribute nothing to the main plot (unless they are Rukia or Orihime), and Orihime is a terrible character to begin with, though I suppose she is within the realms of possibility of a character.

One Piece..... for some reason people seem to consider this the god of long running shounen and say it's so much better than the other shounen, but I don't really see it. The characters are so pathetically weak and defined by 2 character traits most of the time that I just cannot engage with them. When they decide to go down a route like a character's past or something emotional then he Oda finally seems to remember they have other emotions. One Piece deals with a lot of "tough" issues like racism, slavery dictatorship's and the like, but it does them so superficially that I can hardly give it credit for it.

As for OP and their girls..... well, they objectified as well, if you compare the average boob size from different stages of the anime, then their boobs have grown disgustingly big. All One Piece characters are shit, so I can't complain too much for it having no good female characters, though I think it is incredibly rare for a woman to win a fight that is crucial to the plot.


I have a hard time comparing HxH to these other shounen because of how much better HxH is and how it breaks the format so utterly. It's so much better than the other's that it's not even in the same league.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on June 25, 2014, 07:05:13 PM
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Kishi doesn't know how to write about women characters for one thing

Show me a shounen battle manga with a good female character and I'll show you a shounen battle manga that's actually shoujo in disguise.

I'm pretty big on Nico Robin from One Piece as well as Boa Hancock.  Some of the Fairy Tail chicks are alright too (Pretty big on the latest arcs Kagura Mikazuchi voiced by that always delightful Saori Hayami) but mostly in a cool way as opposed to particularly deep.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on June 26, 2014, 06:05:13 PM
Now the thing I'm curious about is how is togashi going to make someone who tops Mureum. Obviously Chlorro and Gyro are still left and have been built up slowly, but it would be funny if he introduced another. I imagine the next villain will be very proactive in comparison for variety but who knows.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: SQA on June 27, 2014, 02:09:18 AM
I believe the next arc is mostly politics, and the arc after that is... just barely started.  Chimera Ant arc effectively covered a Decade.  (2003 to 2012)  Next arc is 20 chapters or so.  Then it's all of 6ish chapters into the next arc.  Which is why there's 1 more cour of anime.  That covers the entire series, started in 1998.   185 chapters in 5 years, then 161 chapters over the next 11 years.  Togashi works on his own schedule.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on June 27, 2014, 10:44:39 AM
Now the thing I'm curious about is how is togashi going to make someone who tops Mureum. Obviously Chlorro and Gyro are still left and have been built up slowly, but it would be funny if he introduced another. I imagine the next villain will be very proactive in comparison for variety but who knows.

I thought it was heavily implied that Gyro became Meruem.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on June 27, 2014, 06:25:42 PM
Forgot to reply to this part.

Also, regarding Kite. A friend of mine who reads the manga told me than the one thing the anime messed up is how they completely underplayed the relationship between Kite and Gon. Kite was basically a father to Gon. They were actually incredibly close in the manga. The anime just didn't show it, I don't know why.

Sort of. What happened in the manga was that they showed the flashback of Kite saving Gon from the bear at the very beginning of the manga. In some ways Gon set out on his adventure to be a hunter, not just because of his father, but also Kite's influence on him in the very beginning. You do lose out on some of the nuance on Gon's characterization because of the timing since Kite really is his inspiration.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on June 27, 2014, 08:07:24 PM
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Kishi doesn't know how to write about women characters for one thing

Show me a shounen battle manga with a good female character and I'll show you a shounen battle manga that's actually shoujo in disguise.

I'm pretty big on Nico Robin from One Piece as well as Boa Hancock.  Some of the Fairy Tail chicks are alright too (Pretty big on the latest arcs Kagura Mikazuchi voiced by that always delightful Saori Hayami) but mostly in a cool way as opposed to particularly deep.

Hey, Katara was pretty good.

Wait...
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on June 27, 2014, 08:38:29 PM
I don't want to get too far off topic, but I have to chime in on anything Avatar related. And I'm let you finish Anime, but this show has the best female characters of all time.

EDIT:

My god. Speak of the devil, and he shall appear. 
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on June 28, 2014, 12:04:45 PM
Now the thing I'm curious about is how is togashi going to make someone who tops Mureum. Obviously Chlorro and Gyro are still left and have been built up slowly, but it would be funny if he introduced another. I imagine the next villain will be very proactive in comparison for variety but who knows.

I thought it was heavily implied that Gyro became Meruem.

Yeah I thought that ever since the beginning, but I wasn't too sure if that was the case with the ending talk between welfin and tako guy (why do I keep forgetting his name).

Avatar....Katara and Korra might be two of the worst written females I've ever seen so I wouldn't really give it that. Toph was good until the writers stopped giving a shit about her character. Bei-Fong will probably suffer a similar fate, but unfortunately I can't comment on anything Korra related because I refuse to watch anymore of that show.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on June 29, 2014, 03:43:20 AM
Korra is a subpar character but Katara? Really?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on June 29, 2014, 05:50:19 AM
Katara is just extremely inconsistently written. She has a jarring change of maturity level on an episode to episode basis (probably due to all the different writers and directors). Plus no doubt, she's given probably one of the worst romances in cartoon history. Almost nothing she does or says can be taken seriously if you ask me. The only thing she has going for her is she is absurdly over-powered (yes I get she was taught by a top notch water bender but jesus). I think part of the problem was that the series was obviously very rushed in a lot of aspects, so her character development probably suffered in the process.

It sucks because all the other characters besides Aang and Katara are somewhat decent to quite good. 
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on June 30, 2014, 01:35:16 AM
uh i think it's pretty reasonable considering her age. Not everybody can act mature that everytime. What inconsistent for you is just giving more dimension for her character for me and she have helped the group many times aside from just being a water bender combatant.

And Aang is a good character and a good protagonist.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on July 01, 2014, 09:32:41 AM
Actually I consider her the least mature of the group. She acts like the mom but really is just a selfish brat who always wants things to go her way. Goog called her out on it once and then...nothing. She just serves to be the annoying nagger of the group. Oh and she got overpowered in less than 5 minutes. Not to mention she learned how to use the most broken bending in like a second (and then whines about it for some reason).

Aang is wish fulfillment the character. His base personality isn't too bad but any faults or problems he has get solved by the writers waving a magic wand. Also he's typically a hypocrite who just wants things his way. Wouldn't be too bad but he never grows from this.

Both her and Aang act super pretentious as well so it's hard not to be annoyed by them.

Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on July 01, 2014, 01:51:32 PM
136:

If the Chimera Ant arc is an expression that most sentient life is capable of malice, I suppose this episode is an expression that sentient life is capable of overturning that malice and overcoming differences.

Not much else to say on that. It was cute.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on July 01, 2014, 03:26:52 PM
136:
It's only right that an arc as morally complex, epic and fantastic as Chimera Ant get an episode fully dedicated to a coda. Needless to say this episode was excellent.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on July 01, 2014, 04:56:18 PM
Actually I consider her the least mature of the group. She acts like the mom but really is just a selfish brat who always wants things to go her way. Goog called her out on it once and then...nothing. She just serves to be the annoying nagger of the group. Oh and she got overpowered in less than 5 minutes. Not to mention she learned how to use the most broken bending in like a second (and then whines about it for some reason).

How is she a selfish brat? She helped the group many times and even risking her life for them. Remember about the desert part during book 2? And she didn't get overpowered for just like 5 minutes. She was helped by the greatest water tribe master in the world. And before even that, she is already training in water bending and Paku only really refined her moves. Overpowered? I really don't think so. She was beaten by Ty Lee in the Omashu part 2 for like seconds.

Aang is wish fulfillment the character. His base personality isn't too bad but any faults or problems he has get solved by the writers waving a magic wand. Also he's typically a hypocrite who just wants things his way. Wouldn't be too bad but he never grows from this.

That's like saying that every shonen protagonist is a wish fulfillment character. Aang is entrusted with a huge responsibility by just being 12. All avatar except him were typically 18 to be revealed that they are the Avatar. The pressure of being the avatar and the war coming made him run away. And most of his problems were being solved with the help of his friends(Maybe except the Lion turtle thing) and some realization of some new values along in their journey. Remember during Appa disappeared and his journey to Ba Sing Ze? Yeah.

Both her and Aang act super pretentious as well so it's hard not to be annoyed by them.

Yet they are universally loved by the fans.

We are really getting so off topic right now.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on July 01, 2014, 05:09:34 PM
Yet they are universally loved by the fans.

I'm not going to get into this, but that's not really much of an argument. That's like saying that because most CLANNAD fans dislike Fuko, all other arguments that follow are invalid.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Fumoffu!! on July 01, 2014, 06:42:19 PM
Why do people dislike Fuko so much? I don't get it.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on July 01, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
I want to address this topic, but I also don't want to derail this thread even further. I think the way to do that is a quick contrast between female characters in Avatar to Komugi. Let me first say that I am not singling out Hunter x Hunter for any reason besides this being the thread for it. I think that people in this thread would at the very least agree that overall, Komugi is a decent female character in a fighting show; thus she'll help me illustrate why I think Avatar takes it one step further.

Toph and Komugi are both blind; look at the difference in how this is handled. There is no reason Komugi had to be blind at all. All of her accomplishments stand regardless, and it wasn't important to the plot at any time. In fact, it's scarcely given any attention aside from creating some comedy when she confuses her rescuers for kidnappers. Komugi's blindness only serves to cripple her, and the only explanation I can think of for its inclusion is that the mangaka wanted to use this to gain the audience's sympathy. Frankly, that is an unworthy way to treat disabilities, and I'm never happy to see it done. On the other hand, Toph's blindness is central to her accomplishments, features in a short character development arc, and for the rest of the series, careful attention is paid as to whether or not, how well, and what exactly Toph can see with her feet. It's also a running joke. By contrast, Komugi sometimes appears to react to things she ostensibly can't see. Toph's blindness is purposeful, empowers her, and above all makes her an fascinating person with interesting ideas to share. Essentially, Komugi is blind so we can go "DAWWW her adorableness will turn Meruem good!", and Toph is blind so she can be the greatest earthbender of all time. (I can already hear the howls of rage) 

Azula and Komugi are both extraordinarily talented people, and this puts them in a position to sway both the plot and major characters. Komugi can do this because she is an untouchable Gungi god, and Meruem chooses to enter her realm. He chooses to play, summons her, dismisses her, etc; she's basically a satellite character, and her influence is so passive, she's more plot device than person until she chooses to die. Azula makes plots, manipulates people, and fights her enemies; she is an active agent with her own ambitions, and makes a great deal of progress in accomplishing them. One person's gifts make them a major player in the story; the other's makes them a one-off morality pet. You can tell me that Komugi's skill set and situation aren't given to toppling nations, and that's true, but that's still no excuse for 100% of her scenes being centered around Meruem.

A smaller point is that Katara and Komugi are both involved in a redemption story, Katara's being with Zuko. Komugi wins Meruem over by dint of her godlike game playing, and her astounding wisdom. In this respect, she's more like an angel than any kind of human child. Katara sticks out her neck to offer Zuko a chance to change himself, and when he fails she is hurt. Katara doesn't have superhuman virtues that can make people see the light; she's written like a real person.

That, I think, is the point here. I'm not saying Komugi is the worst female character ever, far be that from me. I actually rather like her. But if you want me to love your characters, like I do with Avatar, then write them like real people, and then make them exciting people.

Please don't burn me at the stake.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on July 01, 2014, 09:13:39 PM
Toph and Komugi are both blind; look at the difference in how this is handled. There is no reason Komugi had to be blind at all. All of her accomplishments stand regardless, and it wasn't important to the plot at any time. In fact, it's scarcely given any attention aside from creating some comedy when she confuses her rescuers for kidnappers. Komugi's blindness only serves to cripple her, and the only explanation I can think of for its inclusion is that the mangaka wanted to use this to gain the audience's sympathy

well, if she could see she might've freaked the **** out at the very sight of Meruem just like those other guys that were sent in to play board games. Not being able to see circumvents that entirely so that she wouldn't be exposed to Meruem's monstrous outward appearance and see the him for who really is. That's the on;y point her blindness needed to serve.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on July 01, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Why do people dislike Fuko so much? I don't get it.

Not really a Clannad fan myself, yet I too am a bit perplexed by all the Fuko hate, Kyou was the most boring girl afterall
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Reckoner on July 01, 2014, 10:25:01 PM
136:

Got to love the relationship between Killua and Gon. And guys, a certain someone appeared at the end of the episode. Feels x Feels strikes again. Have to wonder if Colt will ever reunite with his "mother" and "sister" as well. Heart warming episode after getting dust kicked in our eyes last week.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on July 02, 2014, 12:12:19 AM
well, if she could see she might've freaked the **** out at the very sight of Meruem just like those other guys that were sent in to play board games. Not being able to see circumvents that entirely so that she wouldn't be exposed to Meruem's monstrous outward appearance and see the him for who really is. That's the on;y point her blindness needed to serve.

Even those other guys still managed to play. I believe that with out without her sight, Komugi would be at least as brave as those sops, and to say otherwise is a pretty big slight to her character.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: The Big Guy on July 02, 2014, 12:17:26 AM
Wait, Hisoka is in this anime? I totally forgot after 70 episodes!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on July 02, 2014, 07:53:07 AM
Komugi is blind to both emphasize how fragile she is compared to the king and other people. It's basically to help show how even someone like her can be seen as an equal by the king. Plus it's to help her see the king for who he is rather than what he is.

Also you have to realize her blindness does cripple her. As she has stated, her whole life is gungi which probably is in no small part because of her blindness. Her scenes are centered around Mureum because of this as well. You could say she's only really alive while playing gungi (hence her eyes opening) the rest of the time she might as well be asleep. Now she does not get the benefit of screen time the other 3 girls you mentioned as that would lead to terrible pacing (another flaw of avatar). So it's reasonable to expect the sense of attachment to not not be as great. Then again your comparing 3 major characters against 1 minor. Which is hardly fair if you ask me (though all 3 have their fair share of problems as well). You'd be better off comparing Katara to kurapika, toph to killua and azula to hisoka in terms of character roles. Gender should be irrelevant.

I think it's more fair to compare komugi to that moon princess girl.

136: I do wonder how they'll be able to spice things up from here. Togas I has a lot to live up to after that arc.

Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on July 02, 2014, 09:57:11 AM
well, if she could see she might've freaked the **** out at the very sight of Meruem just like those other guys that were sent in to play board games. Not being able to see circumvents that entirely so that she wouldn't be exposed to Meruem's monstrous outward appearance and see the him for who really is. That's the only point her blindness needed to serve.

Even those other guys still managed to play. I believe that with out without her sight, Komugi would be at least as brave as those sops, and to say otherwise is a pretty big slight to her character.

reacting like how a normal human being would is a slight?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on July 02, 2014, 12:33:31 PM
@hyperknees

A fair bit of cherry picking is sure to go down when comparing these characters, but that's why I compared 3 specific facets, not the three characters as a whole. Again, the goal is not to bury Komugi in the dirt, it's to contrast how one show does these characterization aspects tolerably, and the other does them well. Besides, the points I discussed for can be fully supported with 1 episode per character; given that, screen time isn't really a factor. Komugi's blindness may add to her persona, but again, it's never important in a practical sense, which is how you take it further. You tell me that blindness is important because it's why her scenes center around Meruem, and frankly that's silly. Until she's kidnapped, every entrance Komugi makes involves Meruem ordering/sensing her, and every exit she makes is him ordering her again. She could have no arms or legs, and it wouldn't change a thing about how these scenes come about; that's why I called her a plot device. Komugi could see the king for who he is with her eyesight working, and not only would I readily believe it, it would make her character stronger. Finally, "Komugi is blind to both emphasize how fragile she is compared to the king and other people." I'm aware, and as I said, the only reason to do this I could come up with was 'to get the audience's sympathy'.   

@getdata

You're basically telling me that if Komugi wasn't blind, then she'd be so terrified she wouldn't be able to play well enough to pique the king's interest. This being from the girl who puts her life on the line with every match, and isn't intimidated in the slightest when her arm is at risk. In any case, the reason I bring up the sniveling jokers who played shogi and go is that they held it together, and they were normal people. If Komugi would panic upon seeing what they saw as you suggest, then she is less brave than a normal person, which is why I call it a slight.   
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on July 02, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
@hyperknees

A fair bit of cherry picking is sure to go down when comparing these characters, but that's why I compared 3 specific facets, not the three characters as a whole. Again, the goal is not to bury Komugi in the dirt, it's to contrast how one show does these characterization aspects tolerably, and the other does them well. Besides, the points I discussed for can be fully supported with 1 episode per character; given that, screen time isn't really a factor. Komugi's blindness may add to her persona, but again, it's never important in a practical sense, which is how you take it further. You tell me that blindness is important because it's why her scenes center around Meruem, and frankly that's silly. Until she's kidnapped, every entrance Komugi makes involves Meruem ordering/sensing her, and every exit she makes is him ordering her again. She could have no arms or legs, and it wouldn't change a thing about how these scenes come about; that's why I called her a plot device. Komugi could see the king for who he is with her eyesight working, and not only would I readily believe it, it would make her character stronger. Finally, "Komugi is blind to both emphasize how fragile she is compared to the king and other people." I'm aware, and as I said, the only reason to do this I could come up with was 'to get the audience's sympathy'.   

@getdata

You're basically telling me that if Komugi wasn't blind, then she'd be so terrified she wouldn't be able to play well enough to pique the king's interest. This being from the girl who puts her life on the line with every match, and isn't intimidated in the slightest when her arm is at risk. In any case, the reason I bring up the sniveling jokers who played shogi and go is that they held it together, and they were normal people. If Komugi would panic upon seeing what they saw as you suggest, then she is less brave than a normal person, which is why I call it a slight.

Komugi didn't play high risk gungi because she was fearless. It's because any sense of worth she has comes from the fact that she's the best gungi player, if she can't have that (by losing to the King) her life is worthless to her.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on July 02, 2014, 02:03:32 PM
all this talk about Komugi has me wondering, who'll be the bread winner for her family now that she's gone?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on July 02, 2014, 02:31:09 PM
I think this discussion is going in entirely the wrong direction. I wanted to argue that Komugi is decent, but show that you can go a lot further down the same road. I expected that you guys, loving Hunter x Hunter as I know you do, would argue that Komugi is better than I gave her credit for. I did not anticipate that I would be the one defending her, and I don't see the benefit in me personally closing the gap I sought to illustrate. I think it's silly for me to be arguing both sides at once.   
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on July 02, 2014, 02:48:10 PM
Your general stance on the show isn't going to change to begin with, so I don't really see the point in arguing with it.

I don't mean that I feel you're obstinate or that your arguments aren't credible; but once you've made your stance clear, and people see that it's not going to budge, the need to argue mostly fades away.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: SQA on July 03, 2014, 11:21:46 AM
all this talk about Komugi has me wondering, who'll be the bread winner for her family now that she's gone?

You're assuming they survived.  It's still Hunter x Hunter.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on July 10, 2014, 12:11:57 PM
So, a new arc complete with a new OP.  I actually wondered if they'd bother doing this as the show is near completion  (unless they get into anime original stuff).
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on July 11, 2014, 05:56:09 PM
137:
Gon in the opening just for "You can smile?" Madhouse, you bastards! The OP was awesome btw.

Only Togashi could make an election into such a complicated affair. And we got glimpses of Pariston Hill (Heh) and Ging's awesome characters too. Love how Ging basically has everybody singing to his tune. It's going to be a fascinating arc. As arcs in Hunter x Hunter usually are. There's something for everybody in this arc.

Oh and HISOKA!!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on July 15, 2014, 01:54:02 PM
138:
Ah yes, Alluka is as creepy as ever.

I love how despite not much happening, the tension was basically through the roof. Especially during the moments with the Zodiacs. Togashi and Madhouse strike again.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on July 18, 2014, 07:54:31 PM
Was great to see Hisoka again after what must have been at least a years worth of episodes.  I'd honestly almost forgotten he existed since the Chimera Ant Arc could easily be it's own anime.  By the looks of the ending it looks like we might also be seeing Kurapica and Leorio again who haven't appeared since the Yorkshin City arc.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on July 18, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
138:

That exploding butler scene was startling as ****
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on July 18, 2014, 09:37:27 PM
138:  Wow Pariston Hill has been in this show only 40 minutes and he's already by far the most insufferable character to appear in this show by far.  I'm guessing that's the point though given Togashi naming him after Paris Hilton but man.  The only character I've really found just kind of weak sauce and lame in this show was the bomber in Greed Island (also the only arc that didn't manage to completely engage me) so hopefully this isnt the second and its another misdirection like the Chimera Ants were.

So far the Alluka side story seems more engaging.  My only question is what decides the next person that she makes the requests to, is it just the next person that interacts with her?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on July 22, 2014, 01:13:59 PM
139:
Illumi's "Huh" reaction to Hisoka's so Gon will die too was worth the cost of admission. And the cherry on top was his disillusioned thinking that he was the one Killua loved the most.

Also Alluka and Killua are so cute together.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Desdemondia on July 23, 2014, 08:36:08 PM
1-139:

Meh --------> -insert hisoka epic face-

Butting in here and all with this but I may or may not have cried buckets at ep 135.. so I had to. And now I'll have to go on my way and regret that I mentioned that at all but y'know..

Few other points:
1) Hisoka hair color change? (after 136, new orange hue)

2) Zoldyck family's OST has me fooled every time it comes on.. Because dammit this is Prokofiev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8pD9axPmcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOMXgfflRI#t=01m30s
Dat E B G B repeated baseline man. Anyway, it's funny how both are 'family' theme songs here with the Montagues & Capulets vs. Zoldyck Families. Looks like a reference to me when Hirano's from Juilliard and Eastman and I'd really appreciate it if it were. I kinda found it interesting that he replaced some of the alberti-bass-like line with strings instead of horn.

3) Gon's spontaneous showing of attachment to Kite really was a bit overboard.

4) Does Leorio get any focus? Kurapika had his time in the spotlight with the Yorknew stuff but is it finally Leorio's turn now? With all this talk of politics and business suits in the ED, it makes one a bit hopeful..
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on July 29, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
140:
I totally knew they were gonna end the episode right there. Next episode the arc will really go into high gear.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on July 29, 2014, 05:11:02 PM
Ugh I hate Leorio's voice actor. Pretty much my first time hearing him seeing how I started watching this adaptation at Greed Island (since I love that arc)
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on July 29, 2014, 05:38:25 PM
I do think they over-exaggerated Leorio's comical aspect in this adaption I think is more the case then his actual voice actor. He was a much better character in the original but eh, still not bad here.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on July 29, 2014, 05:48:36 PM
I'm not that bothered by Leorio's voice. I mean, its Keji Fujiwara. Not a bad seiyuu by any means. And the scene in the manga is equally exaggerated.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: hyperknees91 on July 29, 2014, 05:55:05 PM
Not saying it isn't equivalent to the manga's Leorio, but the original really improved on his character (well the majority of the characters were better than the manga counterparts). It's one of the rare times where an anime actually added a lot to the adaption (well madhouse version does too of course) instead of taking away from it.

Granted I'm not faulting the manga. The manga works for what it is and I feel like Togashi is one of the few manga artist who actually knows how to write for one.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on July 29, 2014, 06:17:48 PM
Is Leorio an Enhancer or a Conjurer? I don't remember, but that was a pretty cool attack.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on July 29, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
Is Leorio an Enhancer or a Conjurer? I don't remember, but that was a pretty cool attack.
According to the wiki, an Emitter. 
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on August 05, 2014, 03:34:30 PM
141:
I've been waiting for the Illumi death glare to be animated and it did not disappoint.

Meanwhile Alluka just continues to be the cutest thing. It seems Togashi can do moe as well as he can do shounen.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on August 05, 2014, 07:46:42 PM
141:

Killua's sister(brother?) can't be this cute.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on August 12, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
Hunter x Hunter is quite the beast. It packs all these intriguing elements into this equally intriguing world. Meaning, the workings of the Zoaldyck's are enough to carry a show as are the workings of the Genei Ryodan. But, HxH doesn't focus on just a single element. Admirable as this is, it truly fleshes out the world, it has a tendency to spread itself somewhat thin. Or should I say, from a fan perspective, it can somewhat limit the screen time of an interesting element. Wouldn't we all love some back story on Illumi or Chrollo or Hisoka. Or atleadt give us a nice fight SHOUNEN fight scene. Granted, the mystery also fuels the enjoyment of such characters but even still...the glimpses we get are OH so enticing. So much shit happens simultaneously, as it would in reality, that time can't really be devoted to all of this.

This brings me to the newest film.

What was it called? Disregarding the insane implication "On" was for the world...it just so incredibly underutilized the characters at hand. Why incorporate interesting side characters like Bisuke, Wing, and Hisoka just to bench them and have them watch from the sidelines? A film seems like the perfect time to give characters who otherwise wouldn't be given a story relevant fight a nice fight scene. But no, we get pre-Kanmaru Killua and good ole generic shounen trope embracing Gon. W/e popcorn flick is popcorn flick I suppose.

Edit:

Gotoh
=(

He perfectly embodied the "expendable character." Cool/characterized just enough for the audience to care...but ultimatley no affecting the plot enough for him to matter. Match that with Hisoka...freaking HISOKA and he was doomed.

I feel Illumi needs a fight to TRULY define his menacing/bad-ass...ness
Sure, Hisoka rates him liek a 95 but he need to PWN someome of worth so I know he is a BEAST and not just someone Kiluua fears from child rearing/mind minupulation.

That being said...

We need clarification on Hisoaka's "Power Scale". Does it go to 100? I would imagine it it would require exponentially morepower to rank a 95 from a 99....I NEED TO kNOW. Clearly define all "established" characeters so I can say to my "friend" that Uvogin would wreck Youpii...and whatnot.

...

So clearly use it as a univeral measurement of strength...so that it applies to characters Hisoka has never seen nor interacted with it

...

But seeing how the "official" material can't even definitively nail down the GENDER of some of Togashi's characters....I guess this is but a pipe dream.

Excuse the liberal use of elipsis....they are just awesome
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Zeitgeist on August 12, 2014, 06:47:44 PM
P.P.S.  (edit. edit)

Pariston's wave;s were ADORABLE in the film
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on August 19, 2014, 03:03:28 PM
143:
This was a pretty good episode for GIF-able faces that's for sure.

Illumi is really one messed up motherf*cker. His plan to remain in Killua's heart forever was truly disturbing. Even more disturbing that Hisoka going through all his options.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on August 26, 2014, 02:34:58 PM
144:
Only Togashi could make an election into a psychological and strategic battle of wits. And that's what we love about him.

Four episodes left...
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on September 02, 2014, 04:34:25 PM
145:
Oh that ending was just perfect. Even better than the manga.

And Illumi. What a laugh...
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on September 02, 2014, 05:38:15 PM
145:

Leorio confirmed for the dad Ging never was
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on September 09, 2014, 01:31:36 PM
146:
"It's my fault... That Kite turned into a little girl!" That was just hilariously anticlimactic. Gotta love how Ging had no idea what to say to that.

It's the Killua-Alluka/Nanika scene that really stands out though. Leave it to HunterxHunter to bring out the feels two episodes in a row.

As for Pariston, he immediately resigns which is perfectly in line with his character, which no doubt pisses Cheadle off. Some are gonna see Pariston as not that bad of a guy as they thought, but I'm not buying it. While his admiration for Netero may be true, everything he does is all for the purpose of messing with people, which I'm certain Pariston loves very much.

On one more note, in the manga, I thought Silva was the one who rescinded the restrictions, but it was actually Kikyo. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on September 16, 2014, 04:10:14 PM
147:
I do kind of wished Madhouse extend the scene with Gon and Killua. To be honest I felt Togashi missed the mark there (It was only five pages). But luckily the production values and seiyuu work were off the charts. It was still pretty great.

Just one more episode left. :(
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: gedata on September 23, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
148

(http://i.imgur.com/OBvnMzF.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on September 23, 2014, 02:48:04 PM
148:
“You should enjoy the litlle detours. To the fullest. Because that’s where you’ll find the things more important than what you want” - Ging Freecss

Thank you Madhouse for such a wonderful adaption. You made a fantastic manga even better. Thank you. 10/10.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on September 24, 2014, 12:19:01 AM
148:  How does one show go 148 episodes while remaining consistently good in just about every respect I can think of while most shows can barely manage to hold up for 12?  This show is most unusual and possibly one of the all time greats for real.  I have no qualms with the 10/10 approach to rating it and I think it stands strong and immovable against the ever encroaching idea that shonen action is a lesser genre that can never amount to more than what many see as the limitations of the genre that go far beyond the limitations of most styling of anime.  I think this show pretty much proves that idea doesn't really stand up to any real scrutiny just by it's very existence.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on September 24, 2014, 12:31:18 AM
And so it ends. What a 4 year journey. Thank you for giving us a wonderful adaptation madhouse and Hunter X Hunter will forever remain as one of the best battle shonen in anime history. Now pick up the pace Togashi!
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Black Liliana on September 27, 2014, 10:21:38 PM
148.

I'm a sucker for montages, so I really loved the ending credits, especially because all of the characters earned my affection throughout the course of the series. I'd call it one of the most satisfying endings I've seen if it weren't for brooding Kurapika.

As one of the best anime I've ever seen, there's no doubt about it, this is a 10/10 for me as well. 148 episodes of being great, with one or two of them being some of my most favorite episodes of anime ever, is ridiculous. The way Togashi handles his huge cast of characters is just off the charts. I'm going to miss this show.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Archon on October 09, 2014, 12:46:04 PM
So very very sad its over. 10/10 from me as well. Loved the original anime adaptation and I think this one was even better. If only the manga didn't take thousand year hiatuses and this could have continued. I will miss you Hunter X Hunter.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on October 25, 2014, 07:24:00 PM
Well, the review's out.

It goes without saying that I am not on board with calling this one of the all-time greats, but what about you guys?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on October 25, 2014, 07:30:21 PM
Well, the review's out.

It goes without saying that I am not on board with calling this one of the all-time greats, but what about you guys?
Do you really have to ask? ;D
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Shadowmage on October 25, 2014, 08:00:20 PM
Yeah, this is certainly one of the strongest shounen action titles I've ever seen.  Makes sense since Yu Yu Hakusho is up there as well.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on October 25, 2014, 08:13:14 PM
Hey, Hunter x Hunter's inspired me in very many ways. As a writer, I hope to live up to it some day. Probably not gonna happen.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Redgrave on October 25, 2014, 08:31:13 PM
I'm already considering re-watching this show just to get how it feels marathoning this from start to finish.

I hope it gets some english dub someday.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 25, 2014, 10:13:17 PM
It goes without saying that I am not on board with calling this one of the all-time greats, but what about you guys?

Shinmaru makes his case effectively, though, so I don't see a problem with the ranking.  Unless your problem is with the ranking itself rather than the justification?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Marid King on October 26, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
Shinmaru does make his case well, and describes the show accurately. It's just that when I read the review, I feel like he is describing a good show, not a great one.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: MCAL on October 09, 2015, 10:20:37 AM
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-10-09/viz-media-adds-2011-hunter-x-hunter-anime/.93993

This is an instant buy.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on October 09, 2015, 10:32:44 AM
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-10-09/viz-media-adds-2011-hunter-x-hunter-anime/.93993

This is an instant buy.

I--

**** YES. FINALLY. GODDAMNIT, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG I'VE WAITED FOR THIS.

Hope Viz releases the whole series this time, and not just bits and pieces of it like other shows. Nonetheless I thought the Kumamiko adaptation was a good enough announcement today - but this? I mean, I was literally looking up obscure pieces of information that might hint at an eventual localization just hours ago. Yes. This is very yes. If you excuse me, I'm going to go dance for about 10 hours.
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: KS on October 09, 2015, 11:15:45 AM
I thought this might be that Togashi was finally going to be writing again but I fear that's never going to happen.  Oda is already back from his self imposed hiatus after like 2 weeks for health related reasons yet what is Togashi doing?
Title: Re: Hunter X Hunter
Post by: Kiniest on October 09, 2015, 11:25:30 AM
I thought this might be that Togashi was finally going to be writing again but I fear that's never going to happen.  Oda is already back from his self imposed hiatus after like 2 weeks for health related reasons yet what is Togashi doing?

At this point, I'm honestly content with the way the show has ended. If Togashi decides to quit writing or keep the series on hiatus, I'll live with it. The Chimera Ant arc already exists. That's all I need.