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Title: Infinite Stratos
Post by: The Big Guy on January 06, 2011, 07:33:11 PM
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My candidate for my mediocre show of the season, this show had a crappy opening episode, which was mostly filled with setup and the same old comedy situations. The characters are stereotypes, I still don't understand the main character at all, and there was a lot of poorly done exposition and dialogue. The fights seem like Strike Witches without lolis, which looked fairly nice.

The only reason that I'm going to watch this show is the setting. It would be interesting if there's any contrast between a female and male dominated society, and hopefully will also explain why the hell only females can ride the mechs besides just a contrived plot device. If they actually flesh it out, it may actually validate this show's existence. Or it won't. So we will see.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Mesachie on January 06, 2011, 09:30:31 PM
Another "to remain nameless" website called it "the least original" series ever, which would seem to take some doing.  I don't have any problem with harem anime at this point of my viewing career, but I have an aversion to "mech".  It is not that I can't watch them, I just won't unless there is a large amount of money deposited in my bank account ahead of time.  Which leaves "mech" anime off my list, though I will take PayPal.  The screen caps I've seen of the series opener look to be okay but C grade (basic commercial grade animation) artwork.  I will admit, as a fan of fanservice, it was nice to see the girls getting suited up in swimsuits for their "mechs". 

I'm very likely to skip this series completely and look for something deeper and more fulfilling like "Yumekui Merry".  Ode to a belly button!
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Akira on January 06, 2011, 10:49:50 PM
Lifted straight from my twitter:

Not bad. Animation Budget > Somalian GDP. Cute girls. About as exploitative as Xenoglossia. B.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on January 07, 2011, 07:13:47 AM
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When you already have the first episode entitled "Classmates are all Females It's a Harem Show", it immediately wants to inform its disclaimer: it's gonna be mediocre. The show isn't gonna cut it, and I'm not expecting anything much from it.

There are a number of things that are off about IS. The big question: Why do armor suits depend on the pilot's gender? In fact, since when do they depend on whether you're a dude or a chick? The show (or at least the first episode) doesn't explain why, and I don't think it will bother to explain it coherently either. It's just an excuse to dump a male lead in an all-female environment, thus setting up a situation full of incoming hijinks.

IS doesn't hesitate to show that the characters will not be anything but unique: a tsundere chilhood friend-cum-kendo fighter, a queen bee/bitch, a meganekko, etc. More cliché characters to be expected.

But worse, the premises look weird. I don't really get the design of the IS suits: heavy artillery on the limbs but minimal armor on the torso? It defeats common sense for an armor suit. And it's odd that this show's mecha has Strike Witches-vibes surrounding it.

Something tells me that this show is going from mediocre to retarded.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 07, 2011, 07:33:55 AM
The mecha only responding to females is, as Akira said, reminiscent of Idol Master Xenglossia, but that had a reason behind it (slightly bizarre reason but it was admirably done). I doubt, given the Harem premise (I am not a fan of Harem shows at all usually) that there will be a good reason for this. It could hardly be the same reason as in Idol Master Xenglossia, because otherwise, with the whole premise of a male being able to use it, brings up the prospect of gay mecha's, which is not an attractive prospect.

Edit: Also, as someone from England the character Cecilia Alcott (The representative contender student for England) pissed me off incredibly. Talking about class etc. and being a total elitist bitch in general... Grrrrrrrr.... It's making me rage.

Anyway, this is seemingly going to be a mediocre show, the harem so far isn't terrible, and the main character is less annoying than some harem characters I have seen. They are all cliché's though, and I feel like I have seen the exact characters before.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on January 07, 2011, 08:02:22 AM
As one who hasn't watched Idol Master Xenglossia yet, I wouldn't know. Still, something tells me that there won't be any deep or sufficient explanation for this. The point is, nothing about IS is telling me that it's good. The animation is good, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Elineas on January 07, 2011, 02:40:14 PM
It's not a good thing when the only thing I enjoyed was the fight scene at the beginning.

Granted, I expected it to be mediocre from the get go, and I'm wondering why I even picked up the first episode when I'm prone to avoiding these kind of shows. At least the male isn't a spineless wimp.

And I was definitely most peeved by the handicap scene. For one thing, this "war between men and women would end in 3 days" point only makes sense if a very large portion of the female population could control ISes, as we do still wage wars with ground troops where the average male would still be dominant over the average female. Saying that is equivalent to giving everyone a tank and then saying "we can beat your silly ground troops that charge right at the tanks." I also don't have a problem with matriarchal dominance in fiction, but it's not very likely to be through brute power. The patriarchal society of today largely stems from the unfortunate fact that extending power and influence in the old days (and still is true now due to the very nature of war) came from beating up other people to take their land and rule over them. A shift to equilibrium or even female dominance means society would need to change its judgment of power and influence (we're getting there with commerce and intelligence, but we're still a long way from throwing off prejudices) or a huge swing of brute power in favor of the female gender in the natural state of society. And even if we disregard the flawed validity of the statement and assume it's true, it's completely irrelevant in this case because the guy can pilot an IS too, removing any so called disadvantage he has. Throw in the fact that this looks like a setup for the very typical and misogynistic "girls are dominant until there's this one special guy who beats all of them so they become submissive to him," and that scene just becomes a wall banger. Just say she's top of the class or something, would have been far more believable going by what we've seen. Now all this thinking has gotten me to think it's the exact opposite; the males are exploiting the females for sport and backup military force in case anything goes awry and are waving away the implications by claiming it gives females power. /toomuchlogicgiventoacrappyharemshow

Hmm, that reaction was a bit overblown, but it was the visceral one when I saw that scene. Maybe I don't watch enough bad harem.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 07, 2011, 03:07:29 PM
From reading what Elineas said, added to what I already thought, I've come to the conclusion that this is really really sexist.

Basically, the girls think they have all the power, but fortunately for mankind, there exists a male who can operate an IS, and who is stronger than all of the female users, so he can beat down the bitches and put them in their place.

I thought this show might try to make something out of women having the power, but now, reading what Elineas has read, I realise fully how misogynist this is, if there are machines that only women can use, ban them from combat, and degrade the worth of these gender-dependent machines so that they are only entertainment.

Hmm, that reaction was a bit overblown, but it was the visceral one when I saw that scene. Maybe I don't watch enough bad harem.

I think that was a fair reaction to have, I'm still raging about Cecilia Alcott after all. The insult about England's food I'm fine with, it's true anyway. However, having some elitist brat who goes on about class, and then about how great England is compared to the rest of the world (when she is supposed to be representing a British person) causes me to rage... No character has annoyed me this much apart from Makoto Itou from School Days and Nina Einstein with her xenophobia in Code Geass R1
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: ImperialX on January 07, 2011, 04:46:05 PM
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The graphics are as expected: fairly average. Nothing spectacular to see here. The characters are generic, and it's shaping up like any other harems. However, the concept of the IS is a fresh idea (aside from Strike Witches), and I will look forward to the upcoming duel. I can't see our protagonist losing though, since that would go against the formula of these type of shows...xD
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Shadowmage on January 07, 2011, 05:42:25 PM
I've seen anime exclude females from piloting mechas out of dubious reasons (Pilot Candidate), so I'm not surprised that someone decided to switch this dynamic around.  The thing is that this anime has already been created at least twice between Sky Girls and Strike Witches.  

Quote from: Fumoffu!!
From reading what Elineas said, added to what I already thought, I've come to the conclusion that this is really really sexist.
What harem anime is not sexist?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 07, 2011, 06:27:43 PM
I've seen anime exclude females from piloting mechas out of dubious reasons (Pilot Candidate), so I'm not surprised that someone decided to switch this dynamic around.  The thing is that this anime has already been created at least twice between Sky Girls and Strike Witches. 

Quote from: Fumoffu!!
From reading what Elineas said, added to what I already thought, I've come to the conclusion that this is really really sexist.
What harem anime is not sexist?

Well, all harem shows are really sexist, but this show is really really sexist. Most Harem shows are usually sexist because all the girls need some man to rely upon, and are weak or incompetent, or they are all chasing the main character or they're all sexual obje... blah blah... In this though, it goes out it's way to show that women need to rely on a man and the general setting is sexist. Since a weapon 'occurred' that could only be used by females,it was banned from war, and was degraded so it's only function was to serve as entertainment. If you think about it, that's horrendously sexist. The irony of the scene where all the girls are laughing because is there was a war between men and women it would last 3 days, and the "girls" think they are superior, just before the are shown that actually a man is stronger when he beats down one of the strongest girls next week (come on, who here doesn't believe that won't happen) and puts the girls in their places. This is just male domination.

Phew... this show has caused several rants for a first episode, and I'm surprised I'd be this coerced into writing so much about sexism. Anyway, main point, yes, harem shows are all sexist, or maybe even really sexist, but this show is really really sexist. I'll try and refrain from ranting in later weeks.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Akira on January 07, 2011, 07:40:39 PM
Ya'll need to chill and just watch as Protagonist hands English Bitch-chan her just deserts.

****in' women, thinking they can go outside of the kitchen.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 08, 2011, 02:15:36 AM
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Hoo boy.

It's appropriate that Elineas did his recent blog post on consistency and such.  The ability of a the viewer to suspend disbelief does require the three aspects he mentioned, but unfortunately for me, they require one more aspect:  A bit of ****ing reality.

This could be just me, since I'm fairly cynical towards anime these days, but I really wish Japan would knock it off with idyllic futures.  The Japanese manage to invent some truly impressive advanced mecha system and in the same history lesson we're told that a treaty was signed that says no military is allowed to use it.

What?  How stupid do you think I am?  First of all, we know there's going to be combat involving the damned things, we saw it earlier, and we see it in the preview.  So even if it's only allowed to be used for sports competitions, we know that there is at least some combative function for the damned things.  Second of all, this isn't a nuclear weapon.  Even if it's so badass that it changes the scope of warfare, it's still just a god damned single person combat machine.  Unless we're talking weapon of mass destruction like the "Turn A" Gundam, I fail to see why any government would willingly sign an accord that bans the military application of what is basically just a glorified suit of powered armor.  What?  Some sexist bullshit about female combat pilots since women are the only ones who can pilot it?  We have those now.

So why am I supposed to believe in this universe at all when it childishly can't even handle a simple concept such as "the military is gonna pervert it for their own use"?  Grow up and deal with reality, ****ers.  It's probably happening anyway, which may be a plot point later in the show, but just the idea that we're supposed to be led to believe that the world makes nice nice with the shiny new toy makes me gag on my own vomit.

God, even Patlabor wasn't this retarded.

Next, drop the idea of an "exclusive teaching academy".  It's beyond insulting.  It's a cheap and easy way to create the school environment without being lame and actually having the setting BE a high school.  There wouldn't be only one academy.  Every ****ing country would have their own schools dedicated to training their own students.  What, Olympic athletes don't train for dozens of years in their own countries before heading out for the grand competitions?  And stop putting it in Japan, having everybody speak Japanese, and having the majority of the students be Japanese.  If you truly want to create this concept of an "international environment" ACT LIKE IT.

Oh, and the "only females can pilot the IS system" is about the most obviously bogus ****ing piece of convenience you've ever used (twice, Xenoglossia), but like Elineas said, if you're going to create that limitation, don't break your own ****ing rules 5 minutes into the show.  When the only male pilot does not understand why he's the only male pilot, you're pissing me off.  If this really was a big deal, as the episode seems to lead us to believe, he'd have been inundated with questions, interviews, research studies, etc.  Hypothetical comment:  let's say that a turkey... a common old ordinary destined to be Thanksgiving Dinner turkey... one day just up and used a can opener.  Never seen a can opener in it's life, but it just uses it.  What do you think would happen to that turkey?  If you answered "put it into a special classroom for the practical use of can openers" you're a ****ing dipstick.  That turkey would be studied by every zoologist and psychologist on the planet until it died of old age (or someone got hungry).  When Einstein died, they dissected his brain to see if they could discover what creates genius.  We take our anomalies and study them, to see if we can make more anomalies.  By the time we're done, the anomaly would pretty much know why it's a ****ing anomaly.

Nah, let it go to school with ten thousand girls.  It'll be funny!

And... get this... I haven't even started bitching about the actual show yet.  This is just setting information.  I can already safely say this after only absorbing this much information:

**** you, Infinite Stratos.  You suck.  You're a shitty concept that is in more need of an abortion than a pregnant thirteen year old black chick.  Don't try to fool me with pretty fight scenes rendered on laptops, I can see you for what you are: 

Shit.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 08, 2011, 07:34:04 AM
I like this show, because it brings everyone here together. The fact that it brings us together to rant and rage until our fingers are sore from typing is just a minor, inconsequential detail.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Thot on January 08, 2011, 08:07:28 AM
****in' women, thinking they can go outside of the kitchen.
This.

.. except, well, he still gets the usual treatment. No matter how sexist the setup may be, that still pales in comparison to the constant 'rape me' aura that dude is emitting. It's not nearly as pronounced as in other similar shows, but still. 'Oh god I've seen hear wearing nothing but a towel, so of course I'll let her beat me up'. Not to mention the constant ass-rape he gets from his big sister.
It would be great to see a show that really is sexist, for once. Like, exchange that dude with one from Mazinkaiser SKL - now that could get sexist.

Apart from that, it's nothing great, but still kind of enjoyable. Let's see where they take this (yeah, right).
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Yggberry on January 08, 2011, 01:38:19 PM
Wow am I the only who is enjoying this show? This is like Amagami SS all over again.

Hmmm. Maybe people are born to love harem because I personally love them. And I must say this show isn’t half bad. Ichika Orimura is cynical enough for me to fall in love with him. He feels a lot like Kyon from you know where. (Oh and I just watched Haruhi Suzumiya no Shoushitsu a week ago and am too lazy to start a thread. Best movie of 2010! The series has redeemed itself from endless eight.) Though I do have to agree with TIF on that some of the setups are retarded. I mean what is the point of creating super robots if you can’t use them for war? And even if you were to use them for recreation purposes, then what’s the point of attaching giant katana and … guns on them? Really, do we really need guns and blades for a game of IS volleyball? Apparently we do.

Next, I’m also kind of disappointed on the entire back-story of the protagonist. Ichika-kun was already famous before he was “discovered” that he could use an IS. He was basically living in the shadows of his famous sister. This was kind of a turn off for me. I guess they are trying to explain that he is “gifted” because he is related to the best IS pilot. So they are pointing it at the “genes”. Lame.

Finally, as for why he isn’t being put in a test tube and studied. Apparently his sister had some influence in that.


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Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 08, 2011, 02:05:10 PM
Oh, that actually is a good explanation. Perhaps they'll explain that in the anime as well, in the next episode or something.

Wow am I the only who is enjoying this show? This is like Amagami SS all over again.

I quite enjoyed while I was watching, apart from the whole Cecilia Alcott scene (Grrr...), which caused me to realise about the setting, causing me to increase from minor to major rage. It's quite entertaining to watch, but it's also quite satisfying to rant about something once in a while.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Yggberry on January 08, 2011, 02:13:27 PM
Oh, that actually is a good explanation. Perhaps they'll explain that in the anime as well, in the next episode or something.

Wow am I the only who is enjoying this show? This is like Amagami SS all over again.

I quite enjoyed while I was watching, apart from the whole Cecilia Alcott scene (Grrr...), which caused me to realise about the setting, causing me to increase from minor to major rage. It's quite entertaining to watch, but it's also quite satisfying to rant about something once in a while.

What’s wrong with Cecilia Alcott? Doesn’t she follow the normal behavior of a snobby high-class English feline? Like . . .

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Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Shadowmage on January 08, 2011, 02:46:57 PM
The protagonist is actually a transvestite.  There, mystery solved.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on January 08, 2011, 07:12:29 PM
Wow am I the only who is enjoying this show? This is like Amagami SS all over again.

Hmmm. Maybe people are born to love harem because I personally love them. And I must say this show isn’t half bad. Ichika Orimura is cynical enough for me to fall in love with him. He feels a lot like Kyon from you know where. (Oh and I just watched Haruhi Suzumiya no Shoushitsu a week ago and am too lazy to start a thread. Best movie of 2010! The series has redeemed itself from endless eight.) Though I do have to agree with TIF on that some of the setups are retarded. I mean what is the point of creating super robots if you can’t use them for war? And even if you were to use them for recreation purposes, then what’s the point of attaching giant katana and … guns on them? Really, do we really need guns and blades for a game of IS volleyball? Apparently we do.
Sounds like you have a penchant for retarded shows.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 08, 2011, 11:57:54 PM
Finally, as for why he isn’t being put in a test tube and studied. Apparently his sister had some influence in that.

Well now, that is interesting.  I'm glad that they addressed one of my concerns, even if it hasn't been done in the anime (yet).  However, I'm still not buying it.  I'm guessing by this point that his sister already knows that he can pilot the IS, though whether anybody else knows is still up in the air.  I'd have a hard time believing she could test / train him on the use of what apparently takes normal people 3 years to learn without someone noticing.  I mean, yeah perhaps she's Japan's number 1 IS "athlete" or whatever and a national hero, but if I were Japan, I still wouldn't listen to her.  I'd be taking that boy for study as soon as possible.  The very second that he applied to the academy, which serves only one purpose, alarm bells would be going off everywhere (and they apparently were).  I do not believe that something that monumental could have been kept secret enough for him to get to the academy unmolested.  Especially when his homeland would have had just as much an interest in him as anybody else.

But, whatever, I'll let that one go for now since they actually did provide an answer.

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What’s wrong with Cecilia Alcott? Doesn’t she follow the normal behavior of a snobby high-class English feline? Like . . .

There isn't really a good comparison here.  I actually liked the character of Selnia Iori Flameheart who is not unreasonably snobbish in her behavior.  She's actually quite noble in most of her behavior, and it is this pride gets in the way a lot.  In her world, there is a clear cut caste difference between the ladies and the butlers.  It doesn't help that her first undertaking with the protagonist is your "oh so hilarious!" misunderstandings involving gropings, nudity, and other assorted perversions that vex these types of shows.

Cecillia is unnecessarily snobbish from the beginning based on her status and gets irritated because he didn't know who she was and therefore didn't adhere to her lofty expectations of treatment.  In short, he was ignorant and couldn't possibly have known better, but she wasn't willing to accept that as an excuse and became antagonistic irrationally.  Couple that with an obvious superiority complex regarding how well he did with an IS compared to her (an "elite") and she's basically pulling an Asuka Langley Sohryu, but with 400 tons of PMS.

So, no they're not the same, really.  Also, Selnia Flameheart is never specifically mentioned to be from England, which is another point that is raising Fumoffu!'s hackles.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Elineas on January 09, 2011, 01:00:06 AM
Nah, Fumoffu!, that was really just me taking the logical conclusion to the extreme. I do believe the unfortunate implications I brought up, but I'd consider them just that: unfortunate implications. The show doesn't actually think it's that sexist, but it is. As Shadowmage and Akira said, harem is just like that and taking it that far for any of them just puts it in shambles. That and I know the show would never have the guts to be a deconstruction and say that yes, it's the males exploiting the females; to the story, the IS is as good thing that rectifies all of man's previous dominance  :P.

Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on January 09, 2011, 03:43:22 AM
Next, drop the idea of an "exclusive teaching academy".  It's beyond insulting.  It's a cheap and easy way to create the school environment without being lame and actually having the setting BE a high school.  There wouldn't be only one academy.  Every ****ing country would have their own schools dedicated to training their own students.  What, Olympic athletes don't train for dozens of years in their own countries before heading out for the grand competitions?  And stop putting it in Japan, having everybody speak Japanese, and having the majority of the students be Japanese.  If you truly want to create this concept of an "international environment" ACT LIKE IT.

It's so predictable it's funny.

"People from all around the world, ie the one or two countries in Europe that first come to mind, come to study at IS Academy!"

I'm pretty thankful to writers that don't pretend that shit that has worldwide implications is limited to just Japan. I understand catering to your audience and being convenient and have no problem with that, it's totally reasonable for me to expect an overtly Japanese setting and/or cast. But if you're going to make the attempt to break out of that box, don't half-ass it. Even in a show like say, Darker Than Black, where the action is concentrated in Japan, there are interests from all over the world and it actually seems that way. Worse than pretending that no one else in the world has a stake in things is admitting that they do and yet still not reflecting that.

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What’s wrong with Cecilia Alcott? Doesn’t she follow the normal behavior of a snobby high-class English feline? Like . . .

My problem is the implication of it. It's fairly common whenever there is an English or other European noblewoman for her to be ethnic-nationalist and casually racist against Asians. I don't want to start any stuff because it may be a touchy subject, but think about England and then think about Japan and then ask yourself whether this is a fair characterization at all.

I won't even start on the misogynistic implications. Maybe it's just the accumulated irritation of all the other times I've seen this BS pulled, maybe it's the disappointment that there's another season of this crap, maybeI'm having things pointed out to me by posters here that I otherwise wouldn't have thought about, but everything about this show suddenly annoys me.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on January 09, 2011, 05:00:14 AM
Ya'll need to chill and just watch as Protagonist hands English Bitch-chan her just deserts.

This is why I hate watching anime week-by-week. From a statistical perspective you can't make accurate statements about things, so all of you need to calm the **** down. If they're going to set up a rule of "only women can pilot IS" and then introduce a male lead, we can obviously expect part of the plot development to explore why he can.

Don't bitch about the breaking of rules if the breaking of the said rule is part of the narrative in the first place, at least until it's been given time to develop.

I do agree that the characters seem somewhat superficial (especially the way the interaction in the bedroom went), but I think this show is no where near as bad as you guys are all making it out to be. Also, I have yet to see how this show is sexist or unbelievable by any means -- none of us know anything about the politics, economics and technology of the series, yet you're all going off about how it's unrealistic. Anime, as a medium, is separated from reality and happens in a non-referential realm where the only laws that govern it are those that are established by the creators. Give the makers time to create a world.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 09, 2011, 08:04:33 AM
What’s wrong with Cecilia Alcott? Doesn’t she follow the normal behavior of a snobby high-class English feline?

Perhaps the stereotypical snobby High-class English Feline present in anime (in fact I'm not sure if there is one, this is the first I've come across, I'm assuming there are others), but the snobby high-class English feline you speak of doesn't really exist anymore.

Besides, if she was actually a high-class English feline snob, she wouldn't have bothered to have learnt Japanese fluently, she would have just spoken English louder and slower than usual, while making cryptic gestures in order to communicate. Also, British people, unlike the Americans, aren't particularly patriotic, in fact, self-deprecation is very common aspect of the population in general, we don't tend to brag about our country, instead we often insult it ourselves, it's just that when someone else insults it we get suddenly defensive.

One thing that was right was the casual racism, the higher class you go, the more people are casually racist. Apart from that though, Cecilia Alcott is an insulting interpretation of an English high class feline.

Nah, Fumoffu!, that was really just me taking the logical conclusion to the extreme. I do believe the unfortunate implications I brought up, but I'd consider them just that: unfortunate implications. The show doesn't actually think it's that sexist, but it is.

Fair enough, I suppose it would be unlikely of a show to be intentionally sexist unless it had some point to prove about it. I think I was over thinking things a little, considering the unintelligent nature of this show.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 09, 2011, 01:20:55 PM
Don't bitch about the breaking of rules if the breaking of the said rule is part of the narrative in the first place, at least until it's been given time to develop.

I'm not bitching about the "breaking of the rule".  I'm bitching that the person in question is an anomaly that would require study.  Also, in the absence of explanation, the only thing we have to go off is an assumption that they're following what would be recognizable political and societal structure.

Example:  Women are still women.  Even if the importance of women around the world for their ability to pilot the IS has increased, I cannot begin to imagine that it has increased that much due to the fact that no military is allowed to use the vehicle.  All the girls depicted in the first episode continue to act like... well let's face it, tropes and archetypes.  From this we can infer that the role of women in society has not changed that drastically.

Thus, a man who can pilot the IS would completely disrupt the balance of the importance of women.  Kindly note that none of the women pilots seem threatened by this.  On the contrary, they view him as a mystery.

What we can infer from this is that the importance of women in politics hasn't changed at all.  The only telling contradicting comment is Ceceilia mentioning that men would lose a war against women in three days.  I find it interesting that she would say that, and it is so universally understood that even Ichika backs down a bit.  I'm guessing that these ISes WERE used at one point for combat and the results were disastrous (for conventional warfare, I mean).  However, since they CAN'T use them for military purposes now, what power do they really have?

Furthermore, a sudden societal role reversal with women having more military power would exasperate the issue that Ichika would be a lab rat.  If men could balance that power out, they would.  I refuse to believe that this society has changed so drastically that the men have no ambition whatsoever to retake their place in society.  And maybe that'll be a plot point later, but for right now, I'm having a hard time believing that there isn't a great motivation to make an attempt to snag him right NOW.

As for the rest, in the absence of required narrative, I am going to fill in the blanks with data about the real world.  I assume this is still Earth, and I assume these are still humans and not some parallel world were the entirety of human nature and societal structure was different to begin with.  Therefore, I will assume that certain politics, economics, and technologies from reality still apply.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: bluecheez on January 09, 2011, 06:05:21 PM
**** this shit.

I agree with everything on this website with the exception that there are pretty fight scenes.

Personally, 3D-animation pasted into anime always looks terrible. I really have no idea why they still do it.


While Strike Witches was fun for its stupidity in pushing the ridiculous-line as far as it can go, I really hope "Strike Witches" doesn't become a genre.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on January 09, 2011, 08:13:42 PM
I'm not bitching about the "breaking of the rule".  I'm bitching that the person in question is an anomaly that would require study.  Also, in the absence of explanation, the only thing we have to go off is an assumption that they're following what would be recognizable political and societal structure.

In absence of explanation, you do not insert in your own "Oh I think this is what it's going to be about" and pretend that your own assumptions are on equal ground with the actual production. It's like a religious fanatic seeing an isolated phenomenon and immediately associating it with the work of the Heavens, without waiting to take the time to think of -multiple- possibilities that the show could be about. There is no need for any such assumption. Also, this "anomaly" can't be studied when you only have one episode to base it off of.

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Example:  Women are still women.  Even if the importance of women around the world for their ability to pilot the IS has increased, I cannot begin to imagine that it has increased that much due to the fact that no military is allowed to use the vehicle.  All the girls depicted in the first episode continue to act like... well let's face it, tropes and archetypes.  From this we can infer that the role of women in society has not changed that drastically.

This assumes that tropes and archetypes cannot be empowering in a real world setting. Indeed, in anime many of these tropes are used for the pleasure of an arguably largely male audience, but we have no idea whether or not these archetypes could actually be empowering were a woman in the real world to share many of its traits. We don't know this because anime operates in the world of its creators; it has no direct relation to reality. Hell, we don't know what the makers are even trying to say about gender--what if it's just a plot device they came up with but essentially the show isn't about gender roles in society?

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Thus, a man who can pilot the IS would completely disrupt the balance of the importance of women.  Kindly note that none of the women pilots seem threatened by this.  On the contrary, they view him as a mystery.

First of all, why does this have to be about a threat to the position of women in the first place? And why is there a necessity that they should feel angry? What if these girls (who seem to be at high school age) are more interested in a man because of his dating potential than whether or not the said male will completely destroy the current structure of society. This is entirely plausible, because from the classroom scene we see that quite a few girls feel that women are more powerful in the world of IS. And it's not misplaced because they ARE in the world of IS: at an academy designed to train people for its use. But this doesn't exactly say anything about the position of women in the political or economic realms.

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What we can infer from this is that the importance of women in politics hasn't changed at all.  The only telling contradicting comment is Ceceilia mentioning that men would lose a war against women in three days.  I find it interesting that she would say that, and it is so universally understood that even Ichika backs down a bit.  I'm guessing that these ISes WERE used at one point for combat and the results were disastrous (for conventional warfare, I mean).  However, since they CAN'T use them for military purposes now, what power do they really have?

Or, perhaps in a society dominated by men, the governments banned together and prevented the use of IS in combat before it could even happen. Yes, I see your point that there are hints that the position of women hasn't changed. But it has nothing to do with how the girls at the academy are treating Ichika. My assumption is that, because it is assumed in the world of IS that men are inferior, it doesn't have to be stated that they most likely underestimate and look down on Ichika's skills.

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Furthermore, a sudden societal role reversal with women having more military power would exasperate the issue that Ichika would be a lab rat.  If men could balance that power out, they would.  I refuse to believe that this society has changed so drastically that the men have no ambition whatsoever to retake their place in society.  And maybe that'll be a plot point later, but for right now, I'm having a hard time believing that there isn't a great motivation to make an attempt to snag him right NOW.

Yes, so let's extrapolate from a few scenes in an isolated academy and make assumptions about the rest of the anime's universe. I don't think you're wrong, but only in the case that it actually applied to the show, will it be relevant to the discussion at hand. I'm merely pointing out that what seems like an inconsistency may very well be qualified and fully believable if we attach the statement "in the world of IS" to the behavior of these characters.

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As for the rest, in the absence of required narrative, I am going to fill in the blanks with data about the real world.  I assume this is still Earth, and I assume these are still humans and not some parallel world were the entirety of human nature and societal structure was different to begin with.  Therefore, I will assume that certain politics, economics, and technologies from reality still apply.

So in the absence of data, you will assume that violent movies and video games cause people to kill each other, rape hentai to cause men to rape women, and that watching Hello Kitty the anime makes me gay. Well, maybe they do. Or maybe they don't. My only point here is that without knowing the entire story, we cannot make any claims about whether the anime even begins to address the role of women in society. Yes, it sure hints that it might take this direction, but as far as I know, it may simply be trying to rework the high school romance setting.

I will not be disappointed with this anime in any way if it doesn't address the gender and society. Why? Because the anime may want to make claims about other things. However, if in the end they attempt to make a statement about this particular theme, and fail miserably at it, I will definitely look back at this episode and say "Yeah, there were inconsistencies."

Until then, I will assume nothing about what the creators are attempting to take the show, unless I can make a much more empirically backed conjecture towards the end. As an anime reviewer and critic, we have to separate what we want and feel from an anime and look at it from an objective point of view. Even if a show were to violate every expectation that we had, we have to look at it from a perspective of not what it could be, but what it is.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Jack Rav on January 09, 2011, 08:22:04 PM
Man, it almost feels that this is getting more discussion than it deserves. :D
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on January 09, 2011, 10:28:33 PM
What’s wrong with Cecilia Alcott? Doesn’t she follow the normal behavior of a snobby high-class English feline?

Perhaps the stereotypical snobby High-class English Feline present in anime (in fact I'm not sure if there is one, this is the first I've come across, I'm assuming there are others), but the snobby high-class English feline you speak of doesn't really exist anymore.

Besides, if she was actually a high-class English feline snob, she wouldn't have bothered to have learnt Japanese fluently, she would have just spoken English louder and slower than usual, while making cryptic gestures in order to communicate. Also, British people, unlike the Americans, aren't particularly patriotic, in fact, self-deprecation is very common aspect of the population in general, we don't tend to brag about our country, instead we often insult it ourselves, it's just that when someone else insults it we get suddenly defensive.

One thing that was right was the casual racism, the higher class you go, the more people are casually racist. Apart from that though, Cecilia Alcott is an insulting interpretation of an English high class feline.

Even so, I doubt even the worst of them would have the gall to say this:

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Bryan8010/IS2.jpg)

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Bryan8010/IS1.jpg)

In a class full of Japanese kids. It's so absurd that I just can't get over it. I honestly don't see the point of that if not either some slight at the (incorrectly) perceived nationalism of British people or some dog whistle to the audience. If British people were so full of pride in the world of IS, then as TIF said, why don't they have their own academies instead of learning Japanese and going to Japan to learn?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on January 09, 2011, 11:49:58 PM
In a class full of Japanese kids. It's so absurd that I just can't get over it. I honestly don't see the point of that if not either some slight at the (incorrectly) perceived nationalism of British people or some dog whistle to the audience. If British people were so full of pride in the world of IS, then as TIF said, why don't they have their own academies instead of learning Japanese and going to Japan to learn?

Well, yes, it is absurd she'd say that. Which is why no one disagrees that the characters seem quite typical. The better way to perceive her behavior is that she's just a stuck up foreigner who has a superiority complex about her own country -- which is a pretty standard trope in Japan. And the predictable development in the plot is that she learns to accept Ichika and perhaps develops a respect for Japan. Maybe, just maybe, that might be a message that the authors want to point out at the end? Of course, it's an extremely unrealistic portrayal of nationalism, but I'm willing to bet there might be a reason why only Japan has an IS academy. Perhaps we just need to wait and see if they give a reason for it?

Sigh, you people and your "it's unbelievable because it's so unrealistic" nonsense. :P
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: zzeroparticle on January 10, 2011, 01:11:54 AM
I think people would be more willing to give IS the benefit of the doubt (your points are valid after all) if the first episode showed signs of ambition beyond le harem generique.  As it stands, I'm not terribly optimistic about its ability to answer those questions satisfactorily.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 10, 2011, 06:41:04 AM
Man, it almost feels that this is getting more discussion than it deserves. :D

I'd say so, 3 pages have already been written when only the first episode has been released. It's telling of how many people this show has pissed off.


Even so, I doubt even the worst of them would have the gall to say this:

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Bryan8010/IS2.jpg)

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Bryan8010/IS1.jpg)

In a class full of Japanese kids. It's so absurd that I just can't get over it. I honestly don't see the point of that if not either some slight at the (incorrectly) perceived nationalism of British people or some dog whistle to the audience. If British people were so full of pride in the world of IS, then as TIF said, why don't they have their own academies instead of learning Japanese and going to Japan to learn?

This is just retarded. As already said, this class is made up of a majority of Japanese people. Does Cecilia want to alienate herself, and become a friendless snobby bitch. Does she have a strong desire to be beaten up, because it looks like it. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't go into a class filled with Japanese people and then insult Japan. Perhaps she's trying to show how superior she is, as in she doesn't care what any of those low-life Japanese people think of her, as their opinion is inconsequential. In any case, attributing rash over the top Patriotism to someone supposedly British is insulting, but perhaps it just needed to be some foreigner, and Britain was the country drawn out the hat.

I have to say, if not for anything else, this show is providing me with entertainment and interest with this discussion. The entertainment isn't in the episode, but in the discussion afterwards so to speak.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on January 10, 2011, 10:53:40 AM
In a class full of Japanese kids. It's so absurd that I just can't get over it. I honestly don't see the point of that if not either some slight at the (incorrectly) perceived nationalism of British people or some dog whistle to the audience. If British people were so full of pride in the world of IS, then as TIF said, why don't they have their own academies instead of learning Japanese and going to Japan to learn?

Well, yes, it is absurd she'd say that. Which is why no one disagrees that the characters seem quite typical. The better way to perceive her behavior is that she's just a stuck up foreigner who has a superiority complex about her own country -- which is a pretty standard trope in Japan. And the predictable development in the plot is that she learns to accept Ichika and perhaps develops a respect for Japan. Maybe, just maybe, that might be a message that the authors want to point out at the end? Of course, it's an extremely unrealistic portrayal of nationalism, but I'm willing to bet there might be a reason why only Japan has an IS academy. Perhaps we just need to wait and see if they give a reason for it?

Sigh, you people and your "it's unbelievable because it's so unrealistic" nonsense. :P

Well, it's totally possible that there are reasonable explanations for these things. It's just that from what I've seen so far, I'm not very convinced that this will go in a very sophisticated direction at all.

Maybe I'm being too cynical here but you know what they say about being a pessimist, you're always either right or pleasantly surprised. If they attempted an explanation for why there is only an academy in Japan, why only females can pilot IS, why the MC can pilot one, or tried anything along the lines of convincing character development, I would be pleasantly surprised indeed. But for right now I think the most appropriate thing to do is to lower my expectations some and just sit back for the ride. I'm not yet at the point where I can't find entertainment in it, at least.

Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on January 10, 2011, 11:07:45 AM
What led you to have your expectations up in the first place? I for one head into the vast majority of anime with not expectations at all.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Yggberry on January 10, 2011, 03:23:25 PM
Man, it almost feels that this is getting more discussion than it deserves. :D

Perhaps. Or we are all trolling here. But for now this show will remain on my must watch list for this season. And since I mentioned trolling, I'll leave with one. Am I the only one who is digging the school uniform? It's probably the best one I have seen so far. It's almost as fabulous as Kururugi Suzaku's battle suit. I would be all over Ichika too if I see the boy walking around in his uniform.

(http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/is/chara/images/chara_img01.jpg)
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 10, 2011, 04:34:16 PM
It looks like a military uniform to me.

@Kylaran:

Stop busting my cynicism with rationality, dammit.  I'm having more fun being angry.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on January 10, 2011, 08:14:45 PM
It looks like a military uniform to me.

@Kylaran:

Stop busting my cynicism with rationality, dammit.  I'm having more fun being angry.

*Whistles innocently.*

On a different note, I realized the uniform is pretty cool too.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: The Big Guy on January 10, 2011, 10:09:22 PM
I'm going to jump into the discussion of society a little too late, but why not?
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Example:  Women are still women.  Even if the importance of women around the world for their ability to pilot the IS has increased, I cannot begin to imagine that it has increased that much due to the fact that no military is allowed to use the vehicle.  All the girls depicted in the first episode continue to act like... well let's face it, tropes and archetypes.  From this we can infer that the role of women in society has not changed that drastically.
First off, your assumption that the military cannot use these weapons is a little off. In which case, the production of IS's would cease and they would be useless. But it's not, and that's because militaries don't necessarily have to follow the rules. For example, just because the Kellogg Briand Pact outlawed war doesn't mean it prevented WWII. From what I understand, it didn't do much. This explains why the government has this academy, to train it's, and its allies', future killing machines in the case of war. There would be no other reason for it. As for women's behaviors, I would argue that it's biological, so it would be similar to before the introduction of IS's.

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However, since they CAN'T use them for military purposes now, what power do they really have?
To further emphasize the point from above, replace "they" with "atomic weapons" to get a decent idea of how ridiculous a statement that is. So, yeah, they still have a bit of pull, especially considering how important controlling the military is for running a nation. (There are plenty of nations that don't have militaries, but the ones that do need to control it or they won't be in power very long.)
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 10, 2011, 10:54:09 PM
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First off, your assumption that the military cannot use these weapons is a little off.

I'm going by what the anime tells us in this case.  A negotiated treaty has banned the use of these objects in a military.  I already made the assumption that governments are probably ignoring this policy and have military grade IS systems.

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To further emphasize the point from above, replace "they" with "atomic weapons" to get a decent idea of how ridiculous a statement that is.

How many atomic weapons have been used in war since countries entered into spoken or unspoken agreements not to use them.  If the IS system is on that level of dangerous, then I could see them not being used.  Moreover, any IS system used in combat by a nation that agreed to the accord would be in violation, which would mean the agreement is null and void and anybody else can use them, too.

The idea behind a weapons ban isn't to handcuff you, it's to protect you and your people from the mass destruction of a weapon.  Violating that risks another nation using those same mass destruction weapons against you.  Again, I'm not saying there aren't any militaries anywhere that don't have some sort of IS system involved, but at least publicly nobody does.  This school would not be in existence to perform clandestine training operations for soldiers.  For starters, the SOLDIERS themselves (read: students) would not all 100% go along with the idea and would probably expose the school for what it is.  You couldn't silence them all.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: The Big Guy on January 11, 2011, 12:08:18 AM

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How many atomic weapons have been used in war since countries entered into spoken or unspoken agreements not to use them.  If the IS system is on that level of dangerous, then I could see them not being used.  Moreover, any IS system used in combat by a nation that agreed to the accord would be in violation, which would mean the agreement is null and void and anybody else can use them, too.
he idea behind a weapons ban isn't to handcuff you, it's to protect you and your people from the mass destruction of a weapon.  Violating that risks another nation using those same mass destruction weapons against you.  Again, I'm not saying there aren't any militaries anywhere that don't have some sort of IS system involved, but at least publicly nobody does./quote]
Yes, you're exactly right, and that's exactly the point I'm trying to make. If you recall, the original argument was that women don't have political clout because the IS's have no "power," and deterrence, in fact, is it's greatest strength, just like atomic weapons. They are singlehandedly preventing war in this society, which is powerful in my book. But, to maintain this peace, you must have enough IS's, and by extension pilots, to make sure that no one will attack you. Same with the arms race during the Cold War, which involved atomic weapons. And because of their importance in the military, they have more political clout than women in our society. Pretty roundabout way of explaining it, but I think it makes sense.

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This school would not be in existence to perform clandestine training operations for soldiers.  For starters, the SOLDIERS themselves (read: students) would not all 100% go along with the idea and would probably expose the school for what it is.  You couldn't silence them all.
Of course, if it's covered up as a competition, it is perfectly fine. Think about the original Olympics in Greek society, that was made to help train soldiers for war. Same idea here, if a war just so happens to break out with the use of IS's, Japan and its allies will just so happen to have a large stable of IS pilots ready for war that were originally trained for the competition.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on January 14, 2011, 09:35:52 AM
Ep. 2:

So, the situation surrounding IS, its use, and the political/economic structure associated with them becomes clearer. I do believe some previous questions asked in this thread have been answered by this episode.

A few points:
1.) Most likely influenced by the original novel, the dialogue is extremely awkward. It's almost unnatural some of the comments the character makes. Ex: the question the classmate had about Houki's sister.

2.) Ichika would x999 cooler if he didn't talk so much. Not as much as Touma, but he's also no where near as cool.

3.) The whole emphasis on Houki's tsun tsun (and some dere) this episode really didn't make me like her more. I don't know why, but I thought the pacing was balanced terribly.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 14, 2011, 11:45:08 AM
2:

Surprisingly, the main protagonist won the battle against Ceiclia. Yes, technically he didn't, but as everyone here will recognise, as did most of the characters of the show, he won.

2 things that were just stupid.

What's with Houki's monologue in the changing room? You can thin about inside your head you know, you don't need to say it out loud. And given the random and embarrassing stuff she was talking about, why would you be saying it out loud. I don't know if anyone here has tried talking to themselves out loud before, but after a very short amount of time it just sounds really stupid, let alone for the length of time she was talking.

Secondly, during the battle, what the hell happened with Health and Safety? There was a robot with a massive laser gun shooting around, and down below in close proximity are people in the stands cheering/watching. There were laser beams and rockets going all over the place, did they really think this through? I imagine that there may be some invisible shield that protects them, but it sure didn't look like it.

The main protagonist Ichika is grating for me. He is a complete idiot (saying "I don't understand this at all" when the teacher had explained the basic principle behind the IS like 'The suit isn't a tool, more like a partner, you work with it, you don't use it etc.') Why was he complaining to Houki about not teaching him about the IS, why didn't he read a book on it before this all started, from what I have gathered, he knows literally nothing about the IS.

I can't believe this is only the second episode. Feels like it's been going on ages.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 14, 2011, 12:58:05 PM
So, the situation surrounding IS, its use, and the political/economic structure associated with them becomes clearer. I do believe some previous questions asked in this thread have been answered by this episode.

Not... really... It actually drags up more.

So there's exactly 467 ISes in the world, because apparently that's all the "cores" there are.  The "core" technology makes the IS an exclusively manufactured good of Japan.  So, proliferating these across the world was a good idea?  Going back to the atomic bomb analogy, is it really smart to spread the wealth?  Wouldn't Japan have blocked the release of technology that could be considered a seriously powerful weapon?  Back when I watched Key: The Metal Idol, they addressed the problem of Japan exporting what is basically a weapon.  The weapon itself is just a robot that can't do much without the power box, which was the trick.  They had to smuggle those out or disguise them as other objects.  But apparently in the world of IS, Japan has no problems with one of it's companies, manufacturers, or whatevers, proliferating... and remember, they pointed out to us in the first episode that a treaty was signed banning the use of these weapons for military purpose... what could be used as weaponry.  Did the treaty have to be in place first before the proliferation happened?  Did Japan keep the lions share for themselves?  How do you determine how many each country gets?  Economics?  Is it pure capitalism?  Was it arbitrary based on how Doctor Shinonono felt about the nation?

And now that she's disappeared, wouldn't that make most everybody in the world nervous?  If she's gone underground or captured by a foreign power, wouldn't that potentially destabilize the political situation of the ISes?  I find it really interesting that nobody else has figured out how to make a "core" yet, and even more interesting Japan didn't raid Dr. Shinonono's labs and take the information for themselves.  Incidentally, this is the same problem I have with "Iron Man".

Furthermore, there are a lot more than 467 students at that academy.  There's obviously not enough ISes to go around.  So training time must be a cow.  Throw in "personal" ISes (which sounds like an excuse to differentiate the mecha for the purpose of variety and ease of identification) and there's even fewer to go around.  And, judging by Ceceila Alcott's performance, she already knows how to use the damned thing quite well.  What in the hell is she going to school for?  And what the **** does a long range beam rifle, missiles, and deployed sub-units have to do with SPORTS COMPETITIONS....?  Can't use them for military purposes, but we'll let the gun and bombs slide.

Honestly, I would think that in this limited supply environment that there would be attempts to "steal" other nation's ISes running all over the place.  These things would have to be kept in the tightest and most secure locations.

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Secondly, during the battle, what the hell happened with Health and Safety? There was a robot with a massive laser gun shooting around, and down below in close proximity are people in the stands cheering/watching. There were laser beams and rockets going all over the place, did they really think this through? I imagine that there may be some invisible shield that protects them, but it sure didn't look like it.

I thought about that as well.  If there was an invincible and infallible barrier protecting the spectators, wouldn't that negate whatever superiority the ISes have?  If you can just put shields around everything that ISes can't punch through, then what's the real danger of an IS?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on January 14, 2011, 03:53:14 PM
Of course, the main character who has only ever piloted an IS once and didn't even read the manual is a natural and essentially beats a well trained pilot except for a technicality. This bothers me because no matter how you look at it, any explanation for his talent would have bad implications. Either it's In The Genes because he's Chifuyu's brother or plot power. An even worse potential message is that it doesn't matter that women are basically raised from birth to become good at a sport exclusive to them, some man will come along and be better anyway. Without any effort at all. Hard Work Hardly Works indeed.

Of course, you could see this coming from a mile away. Typically, the probability of any given match being one sided is inversely proportional to the arrogance of one of the competitors.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: moe on January 14, 2011, 05:35:18 PM
i have been waiting awhile for a big heap of crap for anime would show up so i can watch it. and i'm loving every minute of it!!!
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on January 14, 2011, 06:50:12 PM
2:

On the contrary, I wasn't surprised at all that Ichika has the final upper hand. I was expecting his victory against Cecilia, but the fact that he lost only because of technicality seems to be the most justified outcome of the battle.

This is one stupid episode. I don't really buy Houki's verbal monologue or her genuine tsundere personality, and now, things are taking a turn for the worse because Cecilia is now becoming fixated at Ichika (aka impending harem). It doesn't help that the next chick in the show is already outwardly interested in him. Plus, it's kind of an insult that Cecilia is actually the representative of the UK.

The story's just as messy. There are apparently 467 IS machines in the world that are dispersed all over the world for other countries to conduct research and development. Doesn't sound like the smart and wise thing to do especially when, by doing that, the inventor of the "black box" is risking getting her masterpiece exposed. Isn't this where tight control of exports should come into play? In fact, why not use patents instead?

The ISes are obviously weapons, so to use them in sports competitions that involved direct combat sounds implausible. It's like the writers  to limit the full extent and implications that the ISes would have to the world only to an academy-size context, and then maybe slot in a mysterious antagonist right at the end for the sake of shit-stirring.

I can't believe this is only the second episode. Feels like it's been going on ages.
That's because the misandrist and messed-up premises got us talking for a 2-page thread concerning just one episode.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Elineas on January 14, 2011, 08:10:35 PM
This show got nearly as many responses in two episodes as Bakuman got in 13. It seems this is now our stomping ground for illogical concepts in mediocre anime. We shall forever refer to this thread when those conditions apply in the future.

Most of the problems have already been raised, so I'll just thrown in the nonsense of the lecture on consciousness and the consideration of it as a partner, not a tool. Uh, we only have 467 ISes, and they're clearly sharing practice ones, so how do you plan for anyone other than the ones that have a personal IS to have that level of intimacy with their machine? Hush, you "this is to setup the 'omg he's using initial settings and the machine then adapts to his benefit' during battle later" reason, that's BS. And of course, everyone who is influential enough on the IS scene can only be two relations apart from the main character.

I'm probably going to continue following this just to see how long we can get this thread rolling.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 15, 2011, 05:31:48 AM
This show got nearly as many responses in two episodes as Bakuman got in 13. It seems this is now our stomping ground for illogical concepts in mediocre anime. We shall forever refer to this thread when those conditions apply in the future.

I'm probably going to continue following this just to see how long we can get this thread rolling.

You aiming to have this thread have about 30 pages by the time its run finishes or something? Sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on January 15, 2011, 07:20:10 AM
Official NHRV "how to trash crappy anime narratives" thread name change sounds good to me.

On that note, if the characters didn't feel so fake in this show it would be a lot more believable IMO...
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on January 21, 2011, 05:55:16 AM
3:

Officially, this show is something pulled straight out of an ass. This is SHIT. Standard Harem & Irritating Tsunderes.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on January 21, 2011, 06:46:02 AM
03:

Good points about this show:
-pretty battle animation

Bad Parts:
-everything else
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: The Big Guy on January 21, 2011, 03:13:09 PM
3:

Unbelievably stupid. At least in the first two episodes had some information about the society, which was the primary discussion for the first 4 pages. Even if it was illogical, it was still more interesting than this unfunny and boring harem.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on January 21, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
More harem cliches (two tsundere childhood friends in three episodes is just piss poor lazy writing). Check.

Inconsistent logic (Ie: I suck at all fundamentals but watch me turn into an ace during competition). Check.

Rapid and unbelievable character changes (He beat me in a competition? I must have his babies now!). Check.

Well, there's my shitlist for the week.

Runner ups:

Ichika: "Doors says unauthorized access not allowed lol i wunder if my exams in heer"

Houki: Watch me swing a shinai at a defenseless girl for no reason. That doesn't violate any known laws at all.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on January 21, 2011, 05:40:06 PM
Rapid and unbelievable character changes (He beat me in a competition? I must have his babies now!). Check.
This.

Ichika: "Doors says unauthorized access not allowed lol i wunder if my exams in heer"
Actually, I don't know which is stupider: him entering an out-of-bounds room because he thought it's the exam hall, or how the authorized-only room is actually left unlocked.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 22, 2011, 04:16:53 AM
3:

Well, on the plus side, Cecilia doesn't piss me off as an insulting interpretation of a British person anymore, because now she's just a insulting interpretation of women in general. Her personality change was almost as if she has MPD (multiple personality disorder), and she is now just an inrritating trope.

I detest the main character, because he is incredibly stupid, in a worse way than usual. I hate characters that are stupid in the way he is, and he is generally a source of hate for me. The other characters are all irritating. There are no good characters, at all. Just god damn tropes.

There are so many things wrong with this show, and at times I feel like breaking the computer. This show is an unadulterated source of rage for me. The only bits that don't piss me off are the opening and the ending, because I can appreciate the animation, without having to suffer everything else. I got more enjoyment out of the opening and ending than the rest of the episode put together.

Unlocked security doors, exams in forbidden rooms, slicing apparently unarmed girls, My God.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Yggberry on January 22, 2011, 12:22:58 PM
Episode 3:

I have to be truthful here. I squealed. Literally. Like a Hannah Montana fan spawn. And I may add, more than once during the entire episode.

Ichika was perfect. He was absolutely flawless in everyway. Harem doesn’t get better than this and by now everyone here should know how much I enjoy a good harem.

Nevertheless, I know what you guys are thinking. The boy is retarded. He has a chance to see more ass than a toilet and yet his scratching his head because he just don’t quite understand it all. You can call it retardation. But we harem-loving weirdoes appreciate it as innocence. In essence, I’m digging it. You have to understand that his innocence (or stupidity, whatever) is the sole reason on why he is so great at what he does. Personally, it makes me high. This is just how it works. For the protagonist for a harem, I would take a good-looking doofus over a good-looking smartass on any given. There’s just no other way around it. And the best example I can think of is Clannad. By all means, God bless Okazaki-kun. The lovey-dovey punishments he endured during those few meager episodes in the first season were brilliant. However, there was just something a little off about him. I enjoyed his attempts to unravel all the girls who were chasing after him but it just didn’t do it for me. (To the degree of … let’s say Kurenai and Lucky Seven … or Zero no Tsukaima maybe.) You see … he didn’t have the innocence. He was too smart for his own good. Even though the show took on the main Nagisa arc. (Except for another world) We, the viewer, could pretty much predict whom he will end up with. And for me, I just can’t get off on the same butterfly-in-my-stomach feeling with that kind of ambition. Not like Ichika-kun here. Hopefully this show will remain on the same ambiguous path. Though the boy is getting a little too friendly with Houki. But her tsundere-ness is keeping it interesting. At least I’m still hooked.

Now, having ranted all that, I have to agree. This show doesn’t make any sense what so ever. The background story about the IS is a complete blasphemy. Seriously, a monkey could write better settings than Yumizuru Izuru. Though I can understand why Ichika is always confused. And why shouldn’t he be? After all, in their world, the boys are not expected to be educated with IS. They’re only supposed to know that they exist. Just Like in real life, we are all familiar with J-20 fighters but you don’t expect some average guy to know how to pilot one, especially when it comes down to a teenager who’s too lazy to even read the manual. Nevertheless, I blame the director. The show didn’t explain clearly enough that Ichika is a carefree guy. He doesn’t want to be an IS pilot. He doesn’t want to go to the IS academy. He didn’t have a choice. The only reason why he’s in this school is because he’s being “protected” by his sister. (or by the Japanese government) He explained it himself. He gave up kendo. He was never in any after school club during middle school. The guy loved going home and “chillaxing” in his room. He’s just average, and maybe below average. So don’t expect anything extraordinary from him.

Oh and on how he got in contact with the IS in the first place. Yeah, I know, it was lame. I’m still trying to wrap my mind over that one. And so far, I can’t. So I’m going to ignore it and enjoy the main thing going for this series: the harem. As for the new girl, I have to disagree. She’s not tsundere at all. She’s willing to show her feelings to Ichika. She’s only violent when he’s too adorable to figure that out. But she’s not going to give up. After all, he’s her knight in shining armor. Conversely, the only problem I have with her is the name of her IS. Just because she’s Chinese doesn’t make it okay to give her IS the stereotypical name of Shenlong. It’s not even a girl’s name! And I thought Byakku-shiki was bad. (Even though it is kind of manly for Ichika.)

Lastly, I am going to jump on the Cecilia hate train with everyone else here. I honestly god am irked at her sudden personality change. I can comprehend she “could” have abruptly developed feelings for Ichika due to the match they had. But seriously, did they have to give her personally a total 180? I definitely feel that it could have been handled much better than this crap. I mean she would have been the absolute perfect candidate for a yandere personality. Or she could have been like Hikari from Special A, where her competitive/egotistical persona could have been the catalyst for her emotions for Ichika.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 22, 2011, 02:14:31 PM
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Or she could have been like Hikari from Special A, where her competitive/egotistical could have been the catalyst for her emotions for Ichika.

Actually, that might be more irritating.  Hikari sucked.  Special A sucked.  Life sucks.

Anyway...

The harem shit has already been lauded upon enough, but now I want to go back to an earlier critique:

467 total IS units in the entire world.  Four-hundred, sixty-seven.  That's it.  And currently there is no way to make more.  So here's a little story, what Rin calls... a "weird story":

Commander in charge of IS:  Okay, we need a secure location for this IS unit.
Soldier A:  Let's put it in this gymnasium.
CicoIS:  Right here?  In the middle of a wide open room?
Soldier A:  Sure!  All the students are way over there taking the entrance exam.
CicoIS:  Well all right then.  Let's just make sure we can secure the doo...
CicoIS:  What the hell is with these doors?
Soldier A:  What do you mean, ma'am?
CicoIS:  These are just swinging doors, like an operating room.  There's no locks on them at all!
Soldier A:  Hmm, well I guess we could post guards.
CicoIS:  Fine, you and that other soldier there will stand guard outside.
Soldier A:  Yes, ma'am!
Soldier B:  Do what now?
CicoIS:  I'm going to go make sure the transport is ready back to HQ.
Soldier A & B:  /salute!

*minutes pass*

CicoIS:  One thing after another, I tell you...
Ichika:  Um, excuse me...
CicoIS:  Yes, what do you want?
Ichika:  Well, I'm lost, you see, and I'm trying to find the exam hall.
CicoIS:  I don't have a fragging clue where the hell it is!  Do I LOOK like I'm staff here?  I'm busy kid, shove off!
CicoIS:  Damned kids... should know where the hell you're going when taking an entrance exam...
CicoIS:  Waittaminute... isn't this the exam for the ALL GIRLS IS academy?  Why is a boy here taking the entrance exam to an ALL GIRLS IS academy?
CicoIS:  Meh, whatever.  I'm too busy and important to care.

*minutes later*

Soldier B:  Hot damn but I'm hungry.
Soldier A:  You're always hungry.
Soldier B:  I know.  It's because I'm an anime character and it's a trope.
Soldier A:  Well, can't be helped then.  I guess we have to get you some food.
Soldier B:  I saw a snack machine around the corner there.
Soldier A:  Okay, make it quick, but bring me back a Charleston Chew.
Soldier B:  Hold up, I am not carrying your stuff for you.
Soldier B:  Get it yourself.
Soldier A:  And leave the unlockable door unguarded?  Are you high?
Soldier B:  Please, nobody is coming over here.  We haven't seen anybody for like, 20 minutes.  That's clear cut evidence that no one is around.
Soldier A:  I don't know... the Commander would... *blush*... whip me soundly if she found out we abandoned our posts for candy bars...
Soldier B:  Now your trope is showing.
Soldier A:  I know, and I can't help it *blush blush, hands on cheeks, cliche' etc*.
Soldier B:  So we going?
Soldier A:  Yeah... *snaps back to reality*.  No!  Wait. We can't just leave this place without SOMETHING to protect it.
Soldier B:  *taping something to the door*  Way ahead of you.
Soldier A:  The hell is that?
Soldier B:  It's a sign saying "Unauthorized Trespassing Prohibited".
Soldier A:  I can ****ing read.  I meant are you serious in thinking this will work?
Soldier B:  Oh absolutely.  Japanese kids are all about rule following and stuff.  This will scare them away like AIDS.
Soldier A:  Well if you say so.  Let's go.
Soldier A:  *while walking around the corner*  Isn't it a bit redundant to put "unauthorized trespassing"?  What the hell is "authorized trespassing"?
Soldier B:  See, that's why it's brilliant.  It's doubled up.

*thirty seconds later*

Ichika:  Damn my illiteracy!  Does that say "exam hall" or "unauthorized trespassing"?  God I suck at kanji!  But, wait, who the hell would put something redundant like "unauthorized trespassing" on a sign?  That's redundant.  It must be "Exam Hall!"  Ha ha!  Logic wins every time!

Thank you for reading my little story.  This story has been brought to you by the Institute for Proper Terminology and Literacy, the Letters "F" and "U", and by financial support from views like you.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 28, 2011, 01:17:32 PM
On TypicalIdoiotFan's story:

Thanks for that, that was the best fun I've actually got out of this series so far.

4:

This episode was less annoying than its predecessors for a very simple reason: It was too busy fighting for most the episode to include annoying Harem rubbish and irritating character interactions, but when they did interact... God this show really knows how to piss me off.

The evil IS was pretty cool looking I have to admit, in fact I wanted it to win, due to the fact I hate all the characters it was fighting against. The fighting was good at points, but mostly mediocre.

Here's a comprehensive list of what annoyed me about the battle:

1) The fact that Ichika had a "god power/kills all" attack that he just happened to have up his sleeve - as you do.

2) The fact that the major attack that Ichika landed on the evil IS involved him being hit by his team-mate's weapon for some reason (because for some reason, instead of killing him, powers up his suit to deadly potential)

3) Cecilia, if you are going to launch a surprise attack, make it a powerful one - You should have used the massive sniping ray for the initial attack and just ended it there, why ruin the surprise advantage by using ineffective weak attacks?

4) Yes, I understand that you needed to rush in to save your friend from the enemy's beam attack, but why did you keep on holding her for about a minute after the saving occurred? You're inconveniencing yourself and her, by making her defenceless and restricting you manoeuvrability.

5) Why are you suddenly stopping and having a conversation in the middle of a battle? I know you worked out it didn't attack you while you were conversing, but that was after you'd done it 5 times already.

6) Ichika.

7) The other childhood friend who he was fighting with.

8)Ichika. Harem fans call you innocent (according to Yggberry), but you're actually pretty rude and unpleasant, and you are a total idiot, and not just in regard to girls.

9) Ichika. In case I haven't made myself clear enough.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on January 28, 2011, 07:38:48 PM
4:

That was... boring. And terrible. And annoying. And predictable. And stupid.

Chifuyu also made an ass of herself.

Right now, adding a pretty boy in the next episode is only going to make things worse.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on January 28, 2011, 08:01:41 PM
Right now, adding a pretty boy in the next episode is only going to make things worse.

*pffffffft*  "boy"...
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on January 28, 2011, 09:51:08 PM
*pffffffft*  "boy"...

When "bishounen" was mentioned in the ending credit, Star Driver just popped into my head. Urgh, here we go again...
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on January 29, 2011, 03:00:13 PM
2) The fact that the major attack that Ichika landed on the evil IS involved him being hit by his team-mate's weapon for some reason (because for some reason, instead of killing him, powers up his suit to deadly potential)

I thought they explained that his weapon works by turning his enemy's (and his own shield's) power against them in order to destroy them in one fell stroke? That's why his IS has weak defensive capabilities.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on January 29, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
2) The fact that the major attack that Ichika landed on the evil IS involved him being hit by his team-mate's weapon for some reason (because for some reason, instead of killing him, powers up his suit to deadly potential)

I thought they explained that his weapon works by turning his enemy's (and his own shield's) power against them in order to destroy them in one fell stroke? That's why his IS has weak defensive capabilities.

Really? Ah, wasn't paying enough attention obviously, which I'm not too surprised about. In any case, what part of being shot in the back by your teammate is using their Shield Power? If being shot did provide shield power (somehow), then why did he bother dodging her shots to begin with when they were fighting?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on January 30, 2011, 11:28:38 AM
Really? Ah, wasn't paying enough attention obviously, which I'm not too surprised about. In any case, what part of being shot in the back by your teammate is using their Shield Power? If being shot did provide shield power (somehow), then why did he bother dodging her shots to begin with when they were fighting?

IIRC, they explained that attacks and shields share the same energy/battery source. Yukihira-2 is designed so that when he uses his full power it converts his own armor against his enemies; and, although this isn't explained fully, my guess is that the true form of the Yukihira in this episode was also the ability to convert incoming energy into his own attacking power.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Averruncus on January 30, 2011, 09:07:12 PM
This might become the worst anime I'd finish watching. I usually drop bad anime by the 2-3 ep but this one.... Maybe it fits right in the sweet spot where my tolerance for bad anime is highest, Mecha Harem with nice character designs and high production values.

This anime is... soooo bad..... I had to pause the video while watching episode 3 to give my brain time to process Cecilia's sudden change in personality. The characters could not be ANY more one dimensional. Ichika has to be the wimpy-est main character I've seen in long time. It almost seems pointless to point out the flaws of the show since its in almost every scene.

Wow, I actually like Star Driver a lot more then this series... ???
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Elineas on February 01, 2011, 12:36:03 AM
I am disappoint(ed) that the episode count has nearly caught up to the page count. Come on, we can do better than that!

IIRC, they explained that attacks and shields share the same energy/battery source. Yukihira-2 is designed so that when he uses his full power it converts his own armor against his enemies; and, although this isn't explained fully, my guess is that the true form of the Yukihira in this episode was also the ability to convert incoming energy into his own attacking power.

I remember the attack and shield sharing part, but not the absorb enemy power part. That's a bad explanation anyways, as you'd think he'd let himself more energy more often than dodge everything.

The episode has also reminded me that the best part of this show is the fights, or at least when they're actually fighting and not sitting around talking. That's not much, but I need to try to find something good about this show, right? :-\ If we throw in all the stupid things that Fumoffu!! has mentioned and add in stuff like nonsensical protection systems (err... what if the arena catches fire? where does everyone go?) and illogical actions (Houki, are you just as stupid as Ichika?), and I have a hard time believing anyone can survive anything.

Of course, we've got a harem that's growing by the episode. One of these days we're going to get a show where a new girl is introduced each episode. Single cour? 13 girls. Two cour? 26. Development? What development?

Ichika has to be the wimpy-est main character I've seen in long time.

Wimpy? Really? More dense and stupider than most other harem protagonists maybe, but the girls certainly aren't walking all over him like they do to the actual wusses.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Sorrow-kun on February 01, 2011, 01:13:32 AM
They're all too dere at him to do so.

This reminds me of the anime, Kampfer, and, to a lesser extend, the manga, which was also called Kampfer.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on February 03, 2011, 09:14:40 PM
5:

ARGH!

This show's become more and more frustrating. At one time, 3 girls are vying for one dick guy but now, the whole school's in it too. In fact, every girl in this show is attracted to Ichika for God knows what. He's a chick magnet for a reason I can't or don't bother to understand. As for the new dude, I don't even know if he's really a dude. For all we know, she's actually a chick disguising as a dude for an undisclosed reason. But if he really is a dude, then I don't really see the point of his presence except to serve as another chick magnet/bishie fodder.

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Ayako_Infinite_Stratos_-_IS_-_05_H264720p1FA14D41mkv_snapshot_2208_20110204_120349.jpg)

A German tsundere? Yes? No? Does it matter? Whatever. More importantly, why do I get the feeling that this show is about stereotypes? Cecilia = British haughty/snobbish complex, Houki = classic Japanese tsundere, Lin Yin = Chinese loli (?), and now, Laura = German no-nonsense complex? Is it just me?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 04, 2011, 01:53:49 PM
Well, perhaps this show decided that the Sexism usually involved in a Harem like this wasn't good enough, and decided to branch out into racial stereotyping and other forms of racism as well.

This show is the perfect example of why I hate Harems. Why does EVERYONE want to have it on with Ichika? Because he's there? Are the girls so horny they'll go for any fresh male meat thrown to them? I mean, I hate Harems usually because all the main female protagonists fall for the main male lead for no good reason, but in this not only the main female leads but every other female as well wants to get it on, and he's a total dick.

In fact, he's just a stupid rude retarded DICKHEAD

ARGHH!! I hate you Ichika!! Go die in a hole so I don't have to see your idiot face anymore!!!

*Cough Cough... anyway...
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Yggberry on February 04, 2011, 03:50:30 PM
Do I sense a hint of jealousy from you boys? Haha Why do you guys hate Ichika so much? Is it because he’s stupid and can’t take a hint? I don’t get it. And I’m not trying to troll here. I was going to write an essay on why I think he’s so great but since I’m about to get off work, I’ll keep it simple.

Basically the boy is tall, lean, and decent looking. He’s considerate, special/talented, and not to mention NOT pervy. He’s like the heterosexual Holy Grail! Most girls dream about a guy like this. And I’m serious.

In any case I’m really having a good time with this show. (Okay, maybe not episode 4, at least not until the end when Rin was about to rape Ichika-san.)
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 04, 2011, 04:59:38 PM
Do I sense a hint of jealousy from you boys? Haha Why do you guys hate Ichika so much? Is it because he’s stupid and can’t take a hint? I don’t get it. And I’m not trying to troll here. I was going to write an essay on why I think he’s so great but since I’m about to get off work, I’ll keep it simple.

Basically the boy is tall, lean, and decent looking. He’s considerate, special/talented, and not to mention NOT pervy. He’s like the heterosexual Holy Grail! Most girls dream about a guy like this. And I’m serious.

I thought the main male protagonists of Harem were supposed to be the source of jealousy. I mean, you are shown someone getting girls all over him without doing so much as to lift a finger; are you not supposed to think "god damn it, I wish it was like that for me", or "Dammit, if only it was that easy", or "Why can't I be at that school?", or "I wish my the girls at my school were as horny for me as they are for him at his".

And as for your list of his good attributes: Tall, lean, decent looking, special and not perverted are things I would agree on, though being decent looking is quite hard to tell in the flawless world of anime, and not being perverted, I think he's too slow in the head to be perverted, it's not through virtuousness.

However, considerate? Most girls dream about a guy like this? Good joke. He is the most inconsiderate considerate person I've ever seen. He complains a lot, like times when some of the girls request things of him. He whines a lot. He's not even as considerate as, for example Haruka, from Yosuga no Sora last season (for those who haven't watched it's Drama/Romance/Harem/porn) who actively helped in the girl's troubles/problems. I don't see Ichika helping anyone out. Or have I missed something here?

Sure he can't take a hint, I can forgive that to an extent, it's easy to make stupid mistakes like that, but often you realise something like this after you failed to take the hint and did something stupid, and you try to learn from your mistakes. Ichika has a good amount of experience of being stupid in taking hints by now, but he's not learning one bit, he's making the same mistake over and over. It's like a dog walking into some French windows, wondering what happened, and trying again, and again, and again... Let me tell you, even the stupidest dog will stop walking into the window after the 4th hit, yet Ichika still hasn't learnt after making his mistakes over 15 times (not including off-screen life time experience). Does this mean Ichika is stupider than a retarded dog?

(Okay, I wrote that, but I know that it is overly harsh, learning not to walk into an invisible barrier (i.e. glass) is much easier than learning to take hints, but I couldn't resist the cheap shot).

It is my fault that I'm so mad, I hate Harem like this, and thus watching this was like picking a fight, but I find it hard to stop watching anime once I've started, plus I am fond of the idea of getting as many pages as possible on this topic, so any excuse to write more is a bonus. Oh, and I like raging every now and then, it makes me feel better, and it's seriously improving my typing ability, I'm almost twice as fast as I was a year ago.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on February 04, 2011, 05:52:42 PM
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Do I sense a hint of jealousy from you boys?

How can anybody be jealous of a story character.  Like Makoto in School Days, it isn't relevant what characteristics the main character has.  He's the main character and, thus, will get women flocking to him for reasons dictated by the author.  It's doubly irrelevant because the women in these stories are tropes and archetypes, not representatives of the real female world.  Thus, the only jealousy we could reasonably feel is not being a storybook character in a fictional world of 2D girls.  I, for one, am not even remotely upset about that.  Reality may suck, but 2D girls can't, amirite?

Anyway, no, my problem with this show has less to do with Ichika himself and more to do with the retardedness of everything we've been shown.  Let's recap:

- 467 ISes in the entire world.  Or at least cores.  It hasn't been determined if cores can be moved around to new ISes.

- It seems most of the major countries of the world have their own personal candidates with a personal IS all their own.  So far we've seen Japan, China, France, Germany, and England.  We know that Ichika's sister had one, but whether hers is now Ichikas or Ichika just has her old suit's core or whether hers is still in existence is unknown.

- Just throwing this out here, but there are 194 countries in the world recognized by the US State Department with Taiwan not being officially recognized for political reasons.  So, counting the above countries, there's roughly 190 or so personal ISes to go.  This would also knock the total number of NON personalized IS units down to 272.  272 units for the rest of the world to play with.  Assuming, of course, that some of these nations still exist or that more weren't added.

- But not for military reasons!  No!  Because everybody signed a treaty saying they wouldn't use ISes for military purposes!

- But every IS we've seen so far is armed with massive and nasty weapons...

- NOT FOR MILITARY PURPOSES I SAID!

- But "Charles" Dunoa explains the various military roles of the IS that the teacher is using to fight Rin and Cecilia...

- NOT FOR MILITARY PURPOSES!  IT'S IN THE TREATY!  READ IT!

- Technology is rather weird, too.  Oh sure, the ISes are neat and all, with parts that seem to hover in place around the IS not attached to anything obvious... but what's really cool is Ichika can warp his in from any location and equip it instantly.  Yep, they can warp objects anywhere.  Warp them.  Transport them anywhere.  You can send something from one spot to another in a mere second.  Warp.  Technology.

And we're worried about combat mecha?  In Martian Successor Nadesico they had a warp like technology that someone eventually figured out could be used to instantly transport missiles and shells into an object and destroy it from the inside.  Yep.  Warp technology.  But... but the ISes are all powerful!  Warp warp warp...

Just imagine it for a second... little low yield nuclear device right into the Kremlin... Just saying... **** your ISes...

- Okay, so what if it isn't "warp" technology so much as the entire IS is contained within the wrist piece he's wearing.  That's still pretty ****ing impressive technology eh?  I mean, you can shrink down a solid object to something teeny tiny, keep it inside a jewel or something, and bring it out.  Miniturization on such a scale would be powerfully useful, too.

- Okay, so what if it isn't miniturization, but turning matter to energy and bringing it back out.  Well that's not far off from "warp" technology really.  Turn matter to energy and back.  That's what the transporters in Star Trek did.  So "beam" a low yield nuclear device into the Kremlin.  Same diff.

- THE POINT IS... this technology, whatever it is, is far more impressive than a mechanized suit and would radically change society in ways that I can't even fathom.

- Spectators are invincible.  During the unmanned drone attack in the last episode, they showed us that you can raise large metal protective shields around the spectators area in the IS arena for safety.  Safety against weapons.  Weapons that are being used when the SHIELDS ARE OPEN.  In episode 5, we have people just standing on the (dirt) Arena floor and a couple of times we see Cecilia firing "down" towards her target.  The shots miss.  Where do they go?  Certainly they didn't hit anybody STANDING ON THE GROUND BELOW.  That would be messy and dangerous.  A few scenes later, tho, and two ISes come tumbling out of the sky and hit the pavement hard.  And everybody's just standing around... unprotected... wide open...

I'm just saying...

- Speaking of which... physics in the world of Infinite Stratos only apply for drama.  As Roger Rabbit put it, he could do special things "only when it was funny".  In this case, an IS hurling out of the sky at god knows what speed, but certainly with enough energy to create a massive impact crater in the ground, will not kill, nor seriously injure, an unprotected anime male.  It will, however, result in him being in an impossible position based on the previous trajectory data.  That is, on top of the falling object instead of being underneath it, and, of course, groping breasts.

- As for the teacher, she is perfectly able to fly and pilot an IS with great skill, but only when she has to defeat two personal ISes piloted by the "best of the best" of the country they represent.  Other times, she's a ditzy klutz crashing her IS down into the earth right onto male protagonists.

- And a word about those special country representatives:  the best of the best, huh?  Nobody in China or England could beat you two, eh?  You both just got your ass whipped by one of Japan's RUNNER UP representative candidates.  The lesson here?  Japan is superior.  Either that, or nobody else in China and England wanted the job.

- Final note on representatives, are you totally convinced "Charles" Dunoa is a boy?  I'm totally convinced "Charles" Dunoa is a boy.  Yep.  Has penis.  Because France didn't have a female candidate before this, who suddenly gave up her position to the newfound boy in town who could pilot the IS.  And, like Ichika, this didn't cause a shit storm in the general world at large regarding sex and IS piloting.  Nope.

- Ginger, soy sauce, grated garlic, little pepper, and grated raddish.  No, go on and try it.  I'll wait.  Sound gross?  It is gross.  Now put it on fried chicken.  Finger lickin' good, eh Colonel?  What are the other 6 herbs and spices you put on your chicken?

- I am now convinced that the world of Infinite Stratos is the world according to Hetalia.  Thus, English people have bad food.  Germans are way too serious and organized.  Etc.  If the Italian representative comes along with an IS that is just a giant white flag, I may break my own head.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: The Big Guy on February 04, 2011, 06:46:49 PM
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If the French representative comes along with an IS that is just a giant white flag, I may break my own head.

Corrected for accuracy. Because as everyone knows, the French cannot win a modern war even it was staring them in the face.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on February 04, 2011, 08:46:56 PM
Go watch Hetalia.  It's their perception, not mine.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on February 04, 2011, 09:32:30 PM
Go watch Hetalia.  It's their perception, not mine.
You actually watched Hetalia? I'm impressed. I can't stand 3 episodes of that show that's supposed to be on world history, but turns out to be just about bishies.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on February 04, 2011, 10:09:53 PM
I will be disappointed if the American IS doesn't come with Hawaiian print and khaki bottoms. Also, it's motor must be louder than all the others.

I no longer see much purpose in complaining about this show. I don't know why it has fans now or how the source material even picked up fans in the first place. Inanity is one thing when there are moving pictures to keep the mind distracted from them, but nonsense is a lot harder to cover up in writing. This show's appeals are so forced and transparent that they crap all over the laws of the universe.

What's with the overtly irrelevant scene with the new girl? Must this show go out of its way to show that anyone whose ever spent 10 minutes within a 5 mile radius of Ichika has been sprayed with Cupid's semi-automatic? And what's with all writers recently lampshading just how ludicrous the idea of the male harem protagonist is? I really worry when writers are telling themselves that their own writing makes no sense yet they aren't taking their own advice.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Elineas on February 04, 2011, 11:36:46 PM
This show's become more and more frustrating. At one time, 3 girls are vying for one dick guy but now, the whole school's in it too. In fact, every girl in this show is attracted to Ichika for God knows what. He's a chick magnet for a reason I can't or don't bother to understand. As for the new dude, I don't even know if he's really a dude. For all we know, she's actually a chick disguising as a dude for an undisclosed reason. But if he really is a dude, then I don't really see the point of his presence except to serve as another chick magnet/bishie fodder.

This show is the perfect example of why I hate Harems. Why does EVERYONE want to have it on with Ichika? Because he's there? Are the girls so horny they'll go for any fresh male meat thrown to them? I mean, I hate Harems usually because all the main female protagonists fall for the main male lead for no good reason, but in this not only the main female leads but every other female as well wants to get it on, and he's a total dick.

I was going to make a snappy remark about how anime's perception of all-girls schools is that its residents are either lesbians or willing to jump the first guy in vicinity, but then I actually watched the episode and facepalmed at his friend's sister falling for him too. Curse you, Infinite Stratos, for killing my line!

Just to add fuel to the fire of TIF's ranting, we have the notion of "Mass produced", "3rd largest user base" and "2nd/3rd Generation models." You'd think this was a console or format adoption war, not a limited commodity that engineers haven't tinkered with because of the black box quality of the core.

As for the rest of the arguments, I'm not going to bother. I already started the long chain of posts with my original "IS is sexist" comment, so I'll step out of stereotypes. Harem is as harem does. And Charles' gender? HanaKana. Need I say more?

I no longer see much purpose in complaining about this show. I don't know why it has fans now or how the source material even picked up fans in the first place. Inanity is one thing when there are moving pictures to keep the mind distracted from them, but nonsense is a lot harder to cover up in writing. This show's appeals are so forced and transparent that they crap all over the laws of the universe.

Didn't you get the memo? The actual title of this thread is "ITT: Ruminations on the grievances of atrocious anime writing."
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Umbra Sicarius on February 04, 2011, 11:45:47 PM
you know I am finding this show entertaining just because of all the flaws it is fun to laugh at the stupidity of the creator and the concept.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on February 05, 2011, 12:10:04 AM
You actually watched Hetalia? I'm impressed. I can't stand 3 episodes of that show that's supposed to be on world history, but turns out to be just about bishies.

It's not that bad.  I don't think Hetalia was ever supposed to be about actual world history.  The boys (and girls) of Hetalia are just supposed to be how the creator believes the country's culture are, personified.  Hence, America-kun is a little quick to act, a bit arrogant, thinking himself superior, and loves hamburgers (a very common American foodstuff).  As an American, I find it a bit shallow, but it's not completely terrible.  We're a panicky bunch sometimes and we do think we're the best, so...

My problem with Hetalia is the utter lack of social commentary.  It'd be easy to have... say... America-kun take Afghanistan-kun and lock him up in Cuba-kun's house (Guantonimo Bay) because America-kun thought Afghan-kun knocked over his sandcastle on the beach, or something, and have the other countries react to that.  Instead, we get some rather half-hearted culture jokes and a whole lot of wussy comedy.

Incidentally, the dub is ****ing hysterical.  FUNimation took some of the rather unfunny moments of Hetalia and made them uproarious.  Romano's first line to Germany includes "Suckah-mah-balls-zah ya potato-eater!", which is just priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPvHj4yJSyw

The accents actually work.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 05, 2011, 06:41:52 AM
This is a great show. I mean, who here is considering dropping this show? Not many I estimate, because it's so fun being enraged by something, and lets be honest, we all want to see how retarded/sexist/racist/stupid this anime can get before its run is over. I actually look foward to the episodes now.

This show is genius, it's revolutionary, taking a whole new approach to getting viewers back the next week. Screw the pleasing/entertaining the audience buisness, that's out of date now, pissing off the viewers and throwing them massive plot holes to bitch over is the way foward in anime now!

Oh, and that French candidate? Definitely a girl, no doubt about it, I'd bet good money on it.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Umbra Sicarius on February 05, 2011, 08:10:44 PM
yeah frenchie is definitely either massiely gay or a girl
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on February 05, 2011, 08:15:27 PM
I thought the French are sterotypically the snobbish ones. Isn't that why they're often perceived as terrible tourists?

:V
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 11, 2011, 02:19:15 PM
I thought the French are sterotypically the snobbish ones. Isn't that why they're often perceived as terrible tourists?

Hey, that's our job.

6:

Oh my god, you'll never guess what, that French dude - was a chick. No way.... Actually, I'm impressed, she has quite ample breasts, yet she's able to make herself look completely flat chested, that's a good effort In fact, I'm quite happy, I've found a character I actually like. Yes, I am talking about Charles. Yes, I know, hear me out on this. Sure she like Ichika, which is regrettable (but that's something which is inherent of all girls), but she isn't constantly trying to cosy up to him, or be annoying in the way the others are by constantly competing with each other loudly. What I like is that she's quite sneaky; oh, I can't use chopsticks, no, don't get a fork, I'm going to try and rely on others (Fu fu fu) so you should be the one to feed me! Sure, she has other grating flaws, but compared to the rest of the girls, I like her, though she'll get more irritating as time passes (probably).

Now, time for the complaints.

Right, so let's get the character attributes of the girls down (see if you can guess which characters match which traits/attributes):

Japanese tsundere
Hot-tempered German Golden-eyed Pirate
Conceited Chinese Loli
French bluff trap
Snobbish English Imperialist

Now that's a list of character traits that I'm surprised they could even fit into one anime, and god knows, they might fit in more. As for the German, yes, I know she's not actually a pirate, but she has an eye patch! That's enough to make me call her a pirate (as if it matters). They all (excluding Charles) piss me off, but this isn't new is it? Even the German, who hates Ichika (which is a trait I admire) fails to impress me with the reason to why she hates him, she's just jealous. However, she makes up for it mostly by being right most of the rest of the time, no one in the academy had any real sense of urgency to what they are learning, they seem to just bumble along believing that the ISes will not be used for war, because of some crappy little agreement. They aren't suspicious of guns and other weapons of destruction being attached to their ISes, the fact that they are being used for combat. How stupid can you get?

In fact, I go back on German Pirate lady, I quite like her too, she is the only one so far that has shown any sign of sense (excluding Ichika's sister and to a degree Charles). That's one racial stereotype that I can admire - sensibility. Plus, she has a golden eye, why does she hide it? I'd be covering the other eye, so I'd appear really cool.

Lastly, I think Ichika's gay, all the time he thought Charles was male, he wanted him to get changed with him. If you don't call that suspicious behavior, then I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Sorrow-kun on February 11, 2011, 04:22:46 PM
Gentlemen, prepare you nutbludders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LcllHRGNZY
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on February 11, 2011, 07:19:16 PM
6:

Oh my god, you'll never guess what, that French dude - was a chick. No way....

-1 for not reading my episode 5 post >:V

I don't understand this show's Hetalia list. Let me get this straight straight from this ass' mouth:
Quote
Japanese tsundere -> complicated creatures
Hot-tempered German Golden-eyed Pirate -> Nazis
Conceited Chinese Loli -> lolis
French bluff trap -> moe cross-dressers
Snobbish English Imperialist -> doesn't know good food when they see one

My biggest problem in this episode? IS Academy Special Article. "The students within this academy, while they are enrolled, do not belong to any country, organization or group.", eh? Guess what: Go back to previous episodes and notice how Cecelia is a British ambassador of aristocrat heritage a.k.a British-chan. There's an ambassador whose ass belongs to an academy? Uh huh, right. Shot yourself in the foot, I see.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on February 12, 2011, 03:21:38 AM
6:

Curious George has more creative and coherent plot points than this shit.  

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the notion of MASS PRODUCING INFINITE STRATOS UNITS when there is only 467 cores that can give them the substantial powers that they can unleash.  What is the ****ing point of mass producing a unit when the power source is limited?  More importantly, how do you develop a market for this seeing as how the distribution of said cores are / were  all controlled by Japan?

"Okay, France, you get 50, use them wisely and for GODS SAKES don't create a ****ing market for IS sales!  You can only sell 50 of the damn things!"

I suppose there would be a market for replacement parts and weapons, except that I can't figure out for the life of me whether the ISes even get damaged or have moving parts.  I mean, do you ever see anything thrust anywhere?  Do they use fuel?  Do they require some sort of engine to power?  ****ed if I know.  The only thing I can be sure of is that they can be used for a variety of military purposes and thus have a variety of weapons and other tactical equipment which is widely known because it is produced by a PUBLICLY TRADED CORPORATION even though there is this international treaty in place forbidding the use of ISes for military purposes.  That there is even a market for MILITARY ISes when NO MILITARY IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEM is apparently way too much for the creators of IS to even be able to grasp themselves.

As for this episode, German girl is an imbecile and is the heterochromia fetish target of this season.  Not sure what the Big ****ing Deal is with covering up the golden eye, but I'm guessing it's not a simple case of embarrassment.  Watch it turn out to be an IS core lodged in her eye or something.  Better yet, German Cyborg implant that shoots particle beams at Jews.

"Charles" has a chest larger than some of the other girls but somehow is capable of appearing to be flatter than Ichika when in her piloting suit.  Someone explain that shit.  Maybe she's using whatever technology exists in Ichika's IS summoning doohickey to "warp" her boobs somewhere else.  And what was the deal with being busted leading to her going back to her own country and being thrown in prison.  Really?  Your dad asks you to go on a clandestine mission in order to study Ichika's "unit" (hurr, mission accomplished in the changing room, pop!) and pose as a boy but if revealed you'll have to go back home to France where FRENCH authorities will imprison you for... what exactly?  I haven't been to France since... well ever, but last I checked France didn't have any laws against cross dressing.  So what?  Espionage?  FOR France?  They'd put you in jail for being a spy for your own country?  Does James Bond know about this?  Is Scotland Yard ready to throw him in the slammer as soon as he gets back from Russia (with love)?  Seriously, what the **** is her crime?  Lying to the world about your gender?

I really don't get this show.  Did the creator come up with the situations by examining his Alphabet Spaghetti-Os for ideas?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 12, 2011, 04:24:28 AM
-1 for not reading my episode 5 post >:V

I did read it, I just unashamedly copied it wished to bring up the point again, does that mean -5 points? :P

Man, this show is stupid. I think this show is trying to provide the audience with every typre/trope of girl under the sun, so there is a girl for everybodies taste. I can't say that they completely fail, I quite like the French one after all, though I'm not sure whether my standards drop whenever I see the words Infinite Stratos, or whether I'm so relieved at having a soft-spoken character who isn't all over Ichika in the way the others are that I forgive any faults she may have.

As for why Charles would be imprisoned, I think it's because the French would have to pretend that they didn't know anything about Charles spying, and so would prosecute him accordingly. Shit reason, but, this is Infinite Stratos.

Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on February 12, 2011, 05:59:27 AM
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Bryan8010/Untitled-1.jpg)

Damn, Infinite Stratos, you're not even being subtle about it anymore. Is this the character speaking, or is it the writers thinking out loud during a brainstorming session?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on February 12, 2011, 06:31:38 AM
Funny; I thought the hot-tempered ones are the Italians.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 12, 2011, 10:19:39 AM
Does no one see any commentary in the fact France is telling Germany that it's hot tempered? France, the country that got ruined the most by the world wars with Germany. Perhaps they (the people behin think (going with AC's idea that they think all Germans are Nazi's) that Germany started the world wars because they got hot-tempered over something trivial, like milk spilt by France or something. I think they need to look up world history, in fact, I think they need to look several things up.

As for which racial stereotype is hot-blooded, I can't recall properly, but the Ialians are stereotyped as being promiscuous or love centered people, though they don't help themselves by having a prime minister who keeps on appearing in sex scandals. I don't think they'd introduce an Italian like that though, because either they would be male, which would detract from Ichika, or they would be female, and so would only have 1 (2 including Charles, since noone knows yet) potential partner, a bit of fail if you want to be promiscuous.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on February 12, 2011, 01:58:40 PM
Going back a step:

Quote
I don't understand this show's Hetalia list. Let me get this straight straight from this ass' mouth:
Japanese tsundere -> complicated creatures
Hot-tempered German Golden-eyed Pirate -> Nazis
Conceited Chinese Loli -> lolis
French bluff trap -> moe cross-dressers
Snobbish English Imperialist -> doesn't know good food when they see one

Hetalia's respective country personalities:

Japanese - xenophobic, culture-shocked, generally incapable of solving any problems because they're bound by their need to be socially polite

German - Organized, disciplined, frustrated by others lax attitudes, no sense of humor

Chinese - Generally puzzled by the "younger" cultures' behavior, tries to solve everything with Chinese food, cheap knock off manufactured goods, and martial arts

French - Thinks he's God's gift to the world, inclined in all things romantic, cares more about appearance than anything else, loves pissing off England, deeply spooked by Germany.

England - Haughty, aristocratic, prim and proper, easily provoked (especially by France), can't cook

Now apply our IS characters and tell me they don't match up.  The only one who doesn't might be France because "Charles" so far has been more passive than aggressive with romance.  China doesn't quite work either, but we haven't seen enough of her to comment, aside from the Chinese food part.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: The Big Guy on February 18, 2011, 04:50:53 PM
7:

Geez, Charles is absolutely the best character in this show, no contest. Though that could be because every other character is absolutely terrible.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on February 18, 2011, 08:14:59 PM
7:

The harem is really getting under my skin.

Another thing that is getting under my skin is the illogical storyline. Mock battles are fine even when it broke a number of rules? The best thing is, it was resolved without any punishment. What kind of school is this? A fight is resolved with another official fight? Hurr.

Even the ecchi is senseless (well, ecchi is senseless naturally, but still). Moe Charles and Ichika must be in the same room when changing clothes? Really? People would think it's weird if one of them were to go outside? Some completely random conclusion you got there. This show just wants a moment of ecchi lulz so the writers thought up the lamest way to get one. Well done, you losers.

I expected the pairing of Germany-chan and Japan-chan as soon as the conditions of the inter-class tournament was announced.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 19, 2011, 04:11:53 AM
7:

I don't understand.

I hate Cecilia Alcott and Huang Lingyin, they have the combined individuality of a brick, they show annoying tropish behavior, and fawn over Ichika in a way that grates me like sandpaper. So why? How come, in a scene where they are being beaten to a pulp, do I not feel happy? Why was I so angry?

The answer is simple: The battle in which Cecilia and Huang were beaten up was done in such an excruciatingly bad way that not even having my hated characters being beaten up in front of me could make me feel better. Everything was so predictable, common sense suggests that 2 against 1 is an advantage, but in Infinite Stratos if you are part of the two, your defeat is so certain that I would just call it definite. My god it was just so irritating that neither of them could think of anything to help themselves against that inertia cancelling shield, which surprisingly doesn't use up any shield energy... anyway, why not attack from both sides? No, didn't think so.

Oh Charles, you're so great.
Moe Charles and Ichika must be in the same room when changing clothes? Really? People would think it's weird if one of them were to go outside? Some completely random conclusion you got there. This show just wants a moment of ecchi lulz so the writers thought up the lamest way to get one. Well done, you losers.

Actually, I think it was Charles trying to think of a reason to keep Ichika in the room so they could change together, and Ichika is too stupid to realize the problems in her argument, hence Charles win. Though I say that, I'm not defending that scene, that was terrible, if you were in that situation, I'm pretty sure you'd try your utmost to try and avoid that kind of thing happening, which basically means Charles is an idiot, and Ichika is an idiot for turning round, yes, I can forgive him somewhat because it's the natural reaction to have when there's a loud noise behind you, but why didn't you turn back immediately when you saw it?. And how does that lead to Ichika "accidentally" taking off Charles's panties? Why? Oh yeh, the writers.

I didn't actually think about who would pair with Laura (Germany), so I was pleasantly surprised by this outcome. Though, thinking about this just a bit more, I know that Infinite Stratos will brazenly miss the excellent opportunity to have emotional conflict between Houki and everyone else. The awkward tension that should exist between her and Ichika will probably be swept under the carpet by Ichika saying something like "it's alright, it's not your fault, try you hardest" or something mind-numbingly crap like that. If this wasn't Infinite Stratos, this would be a great opportunity to have massive tendion and emotional conflict, but then again, if this wasn't Infinite Stratos, I wouldn't be wanting for all this shit to happen.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on February 20, 2011, 02:33:17 PM
7:

I finally get my question answered about whether there's any barrier system in place protecting the onlookers.  Doesn't defend having students on the ground floor of the arena, though.  And great job Ichika, just pick the girls up and put them over there.  They'll be safe.  Still on the arena floor.  Also, I'm guessing the barrier only broke because Ichika blewed it up from inside.  If it were outside it would be infallible.  Or something.  Which, once again, makes me wonder two things:

Why are these things armed with such deadly weaponry for "sport"?

Why are they relevant if their attacks can be stopped by a barrier shield?

If ISes are SOOOOOO overwhelmingly awesome, as Houki mused in this episode, how can they be stopped by a simple shield system?  It's hilarious.  In the attempt to make a training environment safe for the students, the Academy has effectively rendered the threat of ISes to be practically squat.

"Sir, incoming IS attack on our important government building / military instillation."

"Shields up."

"Yessir."

"Coffee?"

"Thank you, sir.  How long do you suppose it'll be out there trying to break our shields?"

"Until it runs out of it's own shield energy, which should be long before our shield with unlimited power supply runs out."

"Kind of like a fly bouncing repeatedly off a window because it doesn't understand the concept of glass, isn't it?"

"Cream?"

"Yes, please!"

Seriously.

Saw Germany and Japan team-up right when it was announced, too.  Houki gets to partner up with the thing she hated most about herself.  Naw, that aint irony or nothing.  Meanwhile, Laura is capable of defeating Cecilia and Huang because she has, as TV Tropes would call it, the Curb Stomp and she will suffer Villain Decay afterwards.  It is inevitable.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 25, 2011, 06:55:03 AM
8:

I'll admit it, I found parts of this absolutely hysterical. The first half was pretty much what you would be expecting, I wondered how they were going to make it so that Houki wasn't going to be put in an awkward position by attacking her friends, but Infinite Stratos solved this by making her completely useless, thus she didn't damage anyone, so no-one hates her. Ruined a perfectly good opportunity there Infinite Stratos. Laura's golden eye turns out to be something to do with nano machines that make her compatible with the IS's, why it makes her eye golden... because it looks cool dammit, stop asking these questions.

As for Laura's villain decay, that TIF predicted, my god, I couldn't believe what was happening in front of me. She gets defeated, bizarrely (how the hell can Ichika hold up that massive sword and the IS's hand as well, which looks like it has the collective weight of at least 20kg, and how he swings it so easily... It's 'cause he was trained in wielding Katana's silly..) but then she hears Ichika saying the reason he wants to be strong is so he can protect people, and that he would protect Laura (because of course that's the man's job, it doesn't matter that Laura is stronger than him, the bitch needs to be protected from the nasty world), despite the fact he was calling her a bitch just a few seconds ago for copying his sisters ability.

Anyway, after that the episode showed me some of the best moments ever to come out in Infinite Stratos:

1) Houki getting angry because, as she suspected (I gave her a nod of credit for this) Ichika had misunderstood her (Hurr Durr) and was instead agreeing to go out shopping rather than what was obvious to everyone else. As Charles said, I do wonder whether he does it on purpose, anyway, her punching him in the face and then kicking him the stomach with considerable force put a smile on my face.

2) Charles totally manipulating Ichika: comes in to the bath in which Ichika is bathing in, and prevents Ichika from leaving, and manages to make it so that, in a bath that was massive, she ends up back to back with Ichika, and then starts talking intimately "call me Charlotte" while turning round.

3) Sure, the way Laura came to like Ichika was annoying, but the way she made it up by coming in, kissing him passionately and then saying "You'll be my husband". Houki's face was particularly funny.

It made me laugh several times, so I'll say it was the best episode thus far, though that really isn't much.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Morathy on February 25, 2011, 09:56:27 AM
8:

I have to agree that it was the most enjoyable episode of Infinite Stratos, the moment Ichika gets suckerpunched in the face and then kicked in the stomach was priceless.

BTW my subs said that Laura said this after she kisses him: "You'll become my wife". Was that the subbers mistake? Or does Laura really knows that he's a weak pushover and thus become the wife?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Ascaloth on February 25, 2011, 10:25:20 AM
No, no mistake by the subbers there. Laura said "yome", which is the same word otaku on the Japanese side say when they're going MAI WAIFU.

 ;D
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on February 25, 2011, 02:27:13 PM
I forgot to mention this, but when I saw the title for the next episode (which is a beach episode, why I'm surprised I don't know) I face-palmed:

Ocean's Eleven.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on February 25, 2011, 07:00:27 PM
8:

The Houki-Laura/Ichika-Charles fight was sweet. But just when we're about to go into the end of it, we were switched to the Sympathetic-Sue (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SympatheticSue) trope. A Sympathetic-Sue where we find out that Laura hates Ichika because he made Chifuyu have that "gentle expression". Yes, she's that shallow. Because in Germany, having a gentle expression is weakness. Fantastic shit. And what happens when she got defeated at last? She turns deredere. Yay, another girl who wants in get into Ichika's pants. Oh wait, I mean into Ichika's skirt:

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Ayako_Infinite_Stratos_-_IS_-_08_H264720pC48BE631mkv_snapshot_2157_20110226_095437.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/facepalm.png)

And, what trope-filled series would be complete without the Beach Episode (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeachEpisode) trope? With ecchi fanservice, of course.

The Simpsons' Comic Book Guy is right: Worst Episode Ever. Because this episode is about Hitler turning into a tsundere.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on February 26, 2011, 01:53:08 AM
8:

Chifuyu-nee finally brings up the quarter-ton elephant in the room by mentioning how Laura's "super sekrut system" is banned by the treaty.  Whoops!  Looks like the cat's out of the bag now!  Think Germany will get some sanctions slapped on it?

Of course not.  What happens in IS Academy STAYS in IS Academy.  Word wont get out about this, because that's that they do here, people.  Political intrigue?  Too heavy for a harem anime.  Just wave the hand and move on with life.  And, bingo, beach episode.

Speaking of hand waving, wanna bet that wall Huang busted through to attack Ichika with (in full IS gear, mind you) will be repaired by the next episode as if it never happened?  You'd have to imagine that there must be some form of punishment system in place for wonton and reckless use of a personal IS in a romantically jealous rage.  Five bucks says nothing comes of it, even though Huang was about to blast Ichika into Tuesday with her death beams. 

However, this now proves that both Huang and Laura read the script, because Huang wasn't really going to KILL Ichika was she?  I mean, c'mon.  Love interest.  Could you imagine what a downer for the series THAT would be?  Killing not only everybody's favorite penis, but the only penis capable of piloting an IS?  This was obviously perfectly coordinated so that Laura could burst in with her IS and save the day, then plant one on the main character.  Why Huang went along with this plan which resulted in her man being kissed by another chick is beyond me.  Maybe there was some fahrvergnugen in it for Huang or something.  I don't know.

Oh yeah, and Charlotte comes out of the closet.  The censorship in this show is weird.  Laura can be fully naked on screen but apparently Charlotte getting into the bath and / or turning and pushing her boobs up on Ichika is just not allowed.  Gotta show some neutral scenery there!  Could be worse, could be cover animals or something.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Sorrow-kun on February 26, 2011, 04:29:07 AM
Ep 8

Just when I was starting to question it's brilliance.  That last scene.  I love this show.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on February 27, 2011, 01:39:32 PM
08: I take back what I said about Rio being more entertaining than IS. I just couldn't stop laughing after that last episode. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on March 04, 2011, 09:10:38 AM
9:

So Houki's sister, aka the most elusive and prominent figure in the IS field and probably the whole world, is a bunny ear-wearing, diabeetus-inducing nutjob? Oh, I've lost faith in every creation on Earth.

Laura is the most mysterious specimen I've ever seen. What we have here is a former Nazi soldier who spits on frivolous behavior and shenanigans, who has converted into basically a loli-boob. And she's German? AMAZING. And to think that she has a whole section of female Nazis (all with eyepatches!) to back her up...

I don't get it. Why is it that in situations like that Houki-Laura-Ichika bedroom scene, the one who gets the receiving end of the sword/gun/flying fist/flying kick/any projectile or weapon, is the dude and not the other girl? This is... *tsk* sexist. *shakes head*

Oh, why even include the two redhead siblings into this episode? Just what do they contribute to the show in the first place? WHAT? I know what Charlotte's up to, though: Call her the French moe if you like, but she's a deceptive bitch. Why? She gets into hot spots with Ichika, whether it be in the bedroom or in the changing room, and she always makes them look like they're coincidences. Why run into a changing room of all places when trying to escape from the three girls, when they could just hide somewhere else? Yeah, it's just like when Charlotte reasoned to Ichika that his being outside the room while she's changing would make other people suspicious. I tell you, she's CALCULATING.

So what do Ichika think when trying to take his mind of Charlotte changing? π. Of all the things he can think of in this universe, he thinks of math... well, whatever prevents him from jizzing.

I think that the "brilliance" of IS is now on par with Rio Rainbow Gate's. Well, at least there's something we can take from this show:

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Stratos-Subs_Infinite_Stratos_-_09_1280x720_H264_AAC_v2_D57E4A54mkv_snapshot_0329_20110305_000113.jpg)(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Stratos-Subs_Infinite_Stratos_-_09_1280x720_H264_AAC_v2_D57E4A54mkv_snapshot_0505_20110305_000138.jpg)

Well, at least this show gets the facial expressions right. *snicker*
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: HirakuNoShadow on March 04, 2011, 09:26:45 AM
9:

God I love this show. I have learned so many lessons of life from this episode alone:

1. If you're declared by a German chick as her waifu, you'll see her naked in your bed the next day you wake up.

2. The secret to Enlightenment is mathematics. All you need to learn is a certain constant called the 'pi', which approximately equals to 3.14159265.

3. Choosing swimsuits are serious business. It will determine your future.

4. The quickest way to make an English chick orgasm is to rub coconut oil on her back.

5. Char is the single greatest nickname for a girl named Charlotte.

6. Changing rooms are the best places for hiding from girls chasing you.

[sarcasm]This is definitely the best series of this season. Madoka is like nothing compared to this brilliance. [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on March 04, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
9:

This show if full of surprises, I would never have thought Ichika knew pi to so many decimal places....

It seems like Laura calling Ichika her wife wasn't a one of. Is there an actual reason to this, a short message did come up as if explaining why, but I thought that it probably wasn't wort the effort to pause and read it.

Aren't friendships beautiful? Two new things made friends today: my head and the wall. Everything after the opening... my god, Infinite Stratos found a new line to cross, that scene in the bedroom... naked wrestling? I know it was one-sided, but even so... Houki's face did make me chuckle though. But that scene, and the subsequent shopping business is what first introduced my head to the wall, my head had grown tired of my palm...

Although I preferred her when she was pretending to be male, Charlotte remains my favourite character. For one, she seems to lament the fact that she likes Ichika, or at least wonders why she does. Secondly, she's such a schemer, AC says that she's a deceptive bitch but... all right she is but that's what makes her so great. At least she doesn't prevent the other girls from trying to impress Ichika, look at her encouraging Laura when she mummified herself (this is impressive, I don't know how she managed it), then look at Cecilia and Huang getting in each other's way.

Although Laura is (admittedly) quite cute at times, her character is the girl that makes me want to use this the most:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oMx7KXm4XHo/SwncjxM1hPI/AAAAAAAAA6k/8odooDAEpik/s1600/bang_head_here.gif)

I was starting to get some genuine amusement out of this as well, thanks Infinite Stratos for slapping me out of it.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on March 04, 2011, 01:19:42 PM
Quote from: AC
So Houki's sister, aka the most elusive and prominent figure in the IS field and probably the whole world, is a bunny ear-wearing, diabeetus-inducing nutjob? Oh, I've lost faith in every creation on Earth.

You missed the real boat on this.

Houki's sister, aka the most elusive and prominent figure in the IS field, who went MISSING at the beginning of the show and is the only person in the world capable of manufacturing new IS Cores, IS APPARENTLY ONE PHONE CALL AWAY FROM HOUKI THE ENTIRE TIME...  Yes, the missing scientist has caused an uproar in the international community regarding IS development, since there exists a precarious balance of power about dominating control of the IS systems, and yet here she shows up out of the ****ing blue because Houki wants her own machine.

So, obviously, she's not missing at all is she?  Houki may not know where she is, but she knows she hasn't been kidnapped by a foreign agency or something else nefarious.  I mean, what ****ing stupid kidnapping agency would let her keep her cell phone?  So we can rule out any Iron Man plots here.  This show's version of Tony Stark hasn't been kidnapped by middle eastern terrorists.  Nope, she's just somewhere ****ing around.  Apparently Chifuyu knows this, too, but can't get a hold of her.

So much for that mystery.

As for the blatant Beach Episode (SEASIDE CLASSES... IT'S COMMON... IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE!) the stupid was way too much for me to take.  The only part I laughed at was the oiling down of Cecilia.  "Please warm your hands before putting it on"... so what does he do?... Yes... he does that... and I died a little inside.

*edit*

Oh yeah, forgot the biggest stupid thing:  the Nazi Squadron helping out Laura.  The hat clearly has the Third Reich eagle on it and red armbands... c'mon folks...
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on March 04, 2011, 06:04:24 PM
Oh yeah, forgot the biggest stupid thing:  the Nazi Squadron helping out Laura.  The hat clearly has the Third Reich eagle on it and red armbands... c'mon folks...

This German exchange student and I found the "moe-fied history series" of books and read through the one on Nazi Germany. All the famous SS members and Hitler being portrayed as hot girls was pretty lulzy.

On that note, Charlotte is really the only girl in this series that I feel has any sort of substance, but I definitely want to see possible development in the area of Ichika's sister complex. Yeah, I'm into stuff like that. The rest of the girls are still just as dumb as usual, and the plot devices they use to put Ichika and [insert girl here] into some sketchy situation remain full of fail.

I also want to note that Yukarin as Tabane is ****ING ADORABLE. Her line when she picked up the phone made my loins quiver.

P.S.
My friend keeps telling me that the original novels develop at a much slower pace and the situations with the girls don't seem nearly as trite. I'll have to read them sometime to see just how badly the book was adapted.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on March 04, 2011, 06:59:53 PM
You missed the real boat on this.

Houki's sister, aka the most elusive and prominent figure in the IS field, who went MISSING at the beginning of the show and is the only person in the world capable of manufacturing new IS Cores, IS APPARENTLY ONE PHONE CALL AWAY FROM HOUKI THE ENTIRE TIME...  Yes, the missing scientist has caused an uproar in the international community regarding IS development, since there exists a precarious balance of power about dominating control of the IS systems, and yet here she shows up out of the ****ing blue because Houki wants her own machine.
There are just so many things wrong with this episode/series that I'm bound to miss the bigger flaws. Just look at how many of us are slamming a single episode every week.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Umbra Sicarius on March 05, 2011, 01:05:43 AM
Ok now THAT episode was dumb. on another note is Charlottes new nickname really charr like this (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQj4Kk5Vav0HvhwNkW9U29hx2B9XFRRboXJGHRt2wUafYH59OHb)   ;D
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on March 05, 2011, 01:39:15 AM
P.S.
My friend keeps telling me that the original novels develop at a much slower pace and the situations with the girls don't seem nearly as trite. I'll have to read them sometime to see just how badly the book was adapted.

They usually do and they usually aren't.  I hear the same kvetching about the Index novels and the Zero no Tsukaima novels.  The thing is, the show still has to include the important components of the novel and the components of this work are just ****ing stupid.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Kylaran on March 05, 2011, 03:09:48 AM
They usually do and they usually aren't.  I hear the same kvetching about the Index novels and the Zero no Tsukaima novels.  The thing is, the show still has to include the important components of the novel and the components of this work are just ****ing stupid.

Lots and lots of ideas have been reused over the centuries throughout literature, but the same topics/themes can be presented in so many different ways that we'll never get tired of some of them. Presentation and executions matters a lot, so simply having it told in a written style could make things far different.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on March 06, 2011, 07:52:58 AM
I've always wondered how anime came to the conclusion that it's acceptable for a female to get violently angry over her love interest's(with whom she's in no formal or informal relationship) relationship with another girl. If you genderflip the situation, pretty much no one would have a problem saying that it's a terrible and repulsive thing. And it makes even less sense if you consider target demographics.

Also: Siscon! I knew it!
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Horsechoker on March 07, 2011, 01:01:22 PM
^^ Dont even get me started on that bs...  But as far as IS goes, it would be more enjoyable if he was trolling them on purpose. I just cant buy the im 15 years old surrounded by hot chicks and my libido is that of a dead horse.
Oh yea, "spoiler warning" she aint his sister, big ****ing surprise there.


 (http://www.shrani.si/f/2T/5S/1I4weGvO/troll-ichi.jpg)

If only...
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on March 07, 2011, 01:13:26 PM
^^ Dont even get me started on that bs... 

S'not BS, it's a double standard.  The reason we have them is because shit is different.  But for those who want a violent guy situation, go watch Fight! Ippatsu! Juuden-chan!.  It actually is still funny.

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I just cant buy the im 15 years old surrounded by hot chicks and my libido is that of a dead horse.

You're new to the whole harem genre aren't you?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Shadowmage on March 07, 2011, 01:46:38 PM
^^ Dont even get me started on that bs...  But as far as IS goes, it would be more enjoyable if he was trolling them on purpose. I just cant buy the im 15 years old surrounded by hot chicks and my libido is that of a dead horse.

This is probably for the best.  The last guy who capitalized the honeypot got stabbed a dozen or so times, decapitated, and had his head used as a snuggable pillow.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Horsechoker on March 07, 2011, 02:31:49 PM
^^ Dont even get me started on that bs... 

S'not BS, it's a double standard.  The reason we have them is because shit is different.  But for those who want a violent guy situation, go watch Fight! Ippatsu! Juuden-chan!.  It actually is still funny.

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I just cant buy the im 15 years old surrounded by hot chicks and my libido is that of a dead horse.

You're new to the whole harem genre aren't you?

1. I dont care which foot the shoe is on. The problem is noone gets any repercussions or even called-out on their actions. It may be funny to a lot of people but personally it just rubs me the wrong way.

2. Nah, im just an optimist.  ;)


^^ Dont even get me started on that bs...  But as far as IS goes, it would be more enjoyable if he was trolling them on purpose. I just cant buy the im 15 years old surrounded by hot chicks and my libido is that of a dead horse.

This is probably for the best.  The last guy who capitalized the honeypot got stabbed a dozen or so times, decapitated, and had his head used as a snuggable pillow.

Thats the problem isnt it. From one extreme to the other, no middle ground.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Sorrow-kun on March 07, 2011, 04:36:42 PM
I've been thinking about IS lately (probably too much for my own good, since it certainly doesn't warrant it), and I am starting to think that Ichika's annoying density is the biggest problem with this show (and this type of harem in general), even moreso than the childish, unbelievable conduct of the girls.  It's a very convenient way to set up an equilibrium: none of the relationships can move forward until Ichika even recognizes that that one or more of the girls is interested in him, and it creates a whole heap of sexual and romantic tension (in other words, jelly), which is equal mixes of entertaining and shoe-on-head stupid, and basically drives the show... because, let's face it, who's watching this for the mecha?

Anyway, I'm not the only one who's thought too hard about IS.  Michael explains why Charlotte is by far the most appealing character... she's actually normal (http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2011/03/what-makes-infinite-stratos-special/). HARRRGGGBGJKDHOQ!!!! In my harem?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Shadowmage on March 07, 2011, 04:53:13 PM
@horsechoker
Oh, there is middle ground.  The problem is that this territory is either boring or done to death.  If the guy actually chooses a girl but agonizes about the other congrats you've got a K drama. If the guy gets some or  all the girls, then you have a hentai.  If the guy botches the whole thing and ends up a ronrey NEET, then you have an anime I may watch.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on March 08, 2011, 01:51:29 PM
1. I dont care which foot the shoe is on. The problem is noone gets any repercussions or even called-out on their actions. It may be funny to a lot of people but personally it just rubs me the wrong way.

You're preaching to the choir, especially when it comes to IS.  I've already pointed out a few times how the girls are using lethal weaponry nonchalantly against the target of their affections while pissed off.  This last episode, even Miss Cecilia used her mecha arm to punch Ichika after seeing her sopping, heaving, bouncing breasts.  Since none of this is to be taken seriously (but the rest of the show is, herp-a-derp), you aren't supposed to think about the ramifications of what a steel covered fist with powered-armor strength modifications would do to a human head when colliding at a significant velocity.

The closest anybody came to worrying about this was Dokuro-chan, which lampshaded the whole thing as a comedy-parody.  I'd prefer to see what kind of action we actually got with that punch.  Are we talking zit-popping splatter or dude in Robocop who gets doused with the toxic waste getting hit by a van and head exploding on the windshield kind of splatter?  I worry about these things.  Keeps me up at night.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on March 08, 2011, 02:53:08 PM
Oh, there is middle ground.  The problem is that this territory is either boring or done to death.  If the guy actually chooses a girl but agonizes about the other congrats you've got a K drama. If the guy gets some or  all the girls, then you have a hentai.  If the guy botches the whole thing and ends up a ronrey NEET, then you have an anime I may watch.

I'd never have thought I'd use this as an example of something done right, and in fact I'm pretty apprehensive saying it, but Shuffle! Actually did the middle ground quite well, sure it was crap and all, but the ending, in terms of resolving the issue of the Harem (some may dispute over whether they'd call this an issue) was good, he chose one girl, and made sure the rest of them knew (as in he didn't hide it) sure this ending was only made possible by the retarded characters etc. but it shows that a Harem can be resolved well, and you don't have to be a great anime to do it.

This is probably for the best.  The last guy who capitalized the honeypot got stabbed a dozen or so times, decapitated, and had his head used as a snuggable pillow.

If you don't know the anime Shadowmage was referring to, I don't recommend reading on.
If someone had asked me before School Days whether I would enjoy seeing someone stabbed I'd say "What? Of course not, that's horrible", but the fact that Makoto Itou (the fact I know his name off by heart is quite scary) actually raided the honey pot for all it was worth and was the way he was (To avoid mass swearing I'll avoid expanding on that) made that scene one of the most enjoyable scenes I've ever seen, and I'm a lesser person inside because of it. I reckon it would be/would have been quite funny if Ichika had tried it on with all the girls, to end up being crushed with an IS arm, or some other brutal death. The girls try to kill him in this anyway, can you imagine the devastation in a School Day type scenario?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on March 10, 2011, 10:23:55 AM
I've been reading through the posts to waste some time, and I suddenly realised something - Where is America in all this? There isn't an American representative at the school, yet there is no way that America wouldn't have a stake in the powerful war machines known as IS's, though they aren't used for military purposes, even though they sometimes have been.... but they really aren't used for those purposes!! Even if the IS's genuinely weren't for Military use (what do you mean "if they genuinely weren't" - are you a doubter?) the obvious, undeniable potential they have for military use would never ever be passed over by America. So, is this a world where America isn't present, or one where the Americans don't believe they need a massive army? Maybe a new renewable energy resource has been developed...

Another thing: Where is the research facility for IS's? Actually, wrong question: where are all the scientists? If there are only 467 468 cores, and the IS outlet/factory/research and development plant is based there, then how come we don't have the best scientists from all over the world there, supervising the children, helping them learn about the 'science' behind IS's? What about modifying and maintaining the IS's? What about giving them regular check ups, checking for espionage? The girls aren't exactly capable of doing the stuff on the technical side of the IS's...

Wait a sec... is the IS system sexist and ageist? Only young girls are the pilots apparently, apart from they aren't (The green haired psuedo Japan representative), so why are they trained in the incredibly rare IS's, why aren't older women who have already been trained in combat (though the treaty on IS's...) trained to use the IS's? Girls that should be at school learning useful things are instead training for war sport. Do they even have the necessary resolve to fight participate in these games? Why not train female soldiers with the capacity/resolve to kill compete?

Why...
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on March 10, 2011, 11:09:15 AM
I'm guessing that America doesn't show up until later in the novels as a side character. Either way, it's pretty absurd to have not heard of one yet.

Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on March 10, 2011, 01:09:08 PM
I've been reading through the posts to waste some time, and I suddenly realised something - Where is America in all this?

I'll be blunt, I don't want America involved in this.  Unless we're the villains.  I could deal with us being the people trying to destroy all this bullshit.  Hell, I've wanted to pull a gun on this show since the start.  One nuclear weapon, that's all I ask...

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Why...

Stop thinking so hard about a shit anime.  Yeah, I know, I'm a hypocrite.

10:

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd290/typicalidiotfan/IS10.jpg)

This is either a really bad translation job or Charlotte is Queen of the "No ****ing Duh" statement kingdom.

So, ladies and germs, what typical harem anime setting logically follows "The Beach Episode"?  If you said "The Onsen Episode", give yourself 20 points.  It's not what *I* would have said, but you are right and I am wrong.

Looks like Fumoffu! gets his wish, because we get to hear something about America.  Looks like my wish might be granted, too, since they're the ones developing unmanned ISes.  Sweet.  Take 'em down US.  RAH RAH RAH!  Nuke the ****ers!

Oh wait, that apparently happened, and a single IS that was most not obviously piloted by Chifuyu shot all of them down.  No, I'm not going to bother thinking about any of that.  Hacking the world's weapons systems and all that... Just... not going to bother.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on March 11, 2011, 08:15:15 AM
10:

I feel so insulted by watching this episode, simply because it's so retarded that it's vulgar.

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Stratos-Subs_Infinite_Stratos_-_10_1280x720_H264_AAC_1ED711BEmkv_snapshot_0133_20110311_225555.jpg)

Ichika is a dickhead, we all know that. But he has taken a step down with the quote above. Charlotte has a problem sitting in the seiza position - which I can definitely understand, since the Japanese tea ceremony the other day gave me back sprained ankles - but because of that, Ichika feels like feeding her? I'm sorry Ichika, but your incoherence lost me completely.

Something that's equally idiotic is the girls thinking that Chifuyu and Ichika are having a hanky-panky moment. First of all, did it ever occur to them that they're siblings? Seriously, no benefit of doubt or even common sense whatsoever? Jeez, their jealousy went even as far as clouding their judgment. And you know what's strange too? The fact that Chifuyu peeked at Cecelia's exotic undies with Ichika right in front of her, yet he didn't react at all. He vanished for a few seconds, or something?

And then, we have this:

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Stratos-Subs_Infinite_Stratos_-_10_1280x720_H264_AAC_1ED711BEmkv_snapshot_1208_20110311_231011.jpg)

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Stratos-Subs_Infinite_Stratos_-_10_1280x720_H264_AAC_1ED711BEmkv_snapshot_1243_20110311_230904.jpg)

Somebody do us a favor, please: Burn her with lots of fire, feed the ashes to the dogs and burn their poop with lots of fire.

Just to add ass-cream of the crop, we have a White Knight incident. Probably the most ridiculous story ever told, since there are missiles aiming at Japan for God knows what.

This is either a really bad translation job or Charlotte is Queen of the "No ****ing Duh" statement kingdom.

It is bad traslation. What Charlotte said was "There are all kinds of women (out there)".
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: HirakuNoShadow on March 11, 2011, 08:30:17 AM
10:

Jesus Christ. I had to go outside for a good 3-4 minutes few times from the level of dumbassery in this episode. I don't think I need to add anything from here.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on March 11, 2011, 10:16:19 AM
10:

Wow, I'm surprised my question on America was so quickly answered: They're doing irresponsible things with IS's by researching and producing unmanned IS's with Israel. Israel... Was that their attempt at irony? If it wasn't, then they're just being stupid - plausible...

So, the story about the white knight... what was it, 1500 missiles? And 1 IS took them all down, despite the fact the were aiming for all over Japan and were coming from all directions ? Sure, whatever, no sweat, 'cause this is Chifuyu, who can break time.

Talking of which, that scene with all the girls, Ichika and Chifuyu was one of the most agonizing scenes I've ever experienced. My god could one of you just suddenly realize he's a fool? no? Well SCREW YOU ALL!! Or in the particularly memorable words that my maths teacher once uttered:

I HATE YOU ALL!!!!
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: The Big Guy on March 11, 2011, 04:19:09 PM
10:

Point 1:

Tabane is obviously an idiot savant. She's annoying, but I can deal with that because it makes sense.

Point 2:

Cars in IS have been replaced by carrot missiles. Gentlemen, the future has arrived.

Point 3:

How can the IS destroy 1500 missiles? Simple, they are simply god like beings whose powers know no limit. And I for one welcome our new robot overlords...

Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on March 12, 2011, 12:01:19 PM
10:

Wow, I'm surprised my question on America was so quickly answered: They're doing irresponsible things with IS's by researching and producing unmanned IS's with Israel. Israel... Was that their attempt at irony? If it wasn't, then they're just being stupid - plausible...

America and Israel? What? Couldn't it have been someone like Iran or North Korea? I get that we're considered the big bullies in the sandbox, but we're hardly the most rogue.

Though I have to say I'm impressed that an anime of this calibre even recognises the existence of  countries outside Europe and North America, let alone Israel.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on March 12, 2011, 01:49:51 PM
Israel is fascinating to me.  Their interest in it would be obvious.  I mean, if the IS is that ****ing amazing, then it would be a valuable weapon of war against the Islamic countries that are constantly trying to destroy them.  Considering Israel's paranoia about nuclear weapons falling into the hands of it's enemies, and the IS is capable of TAKING OUT 2500 HACKED NUCLEAR ICBMS WITH A ****ING SWORD (and in the novel, 400 airplanes and 7 aircraft carriers, somehow without KILLING ANYBODY), then sure.

But that required some brains to even think of that, and this show is idiotic.

I'm not at all surprised that the US would not only be the country to figure out how to simulate the Core but would then secretly develop weapons of war.  Could be a continued "missile defense" plan, much like Israel, but doubtful.  I mean, the IS has become a more threatening weapon than nuclear weapons.  The US would simply have a desire to be in control of this shit so that nobody can threaten their sovereignty.  Frankly, every other nation would have the same motive.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: hoarfrost on March 24, 2011, 07:13:42 PM
11:

Penultimate episode melodrama! Now that everyone else has had theirs, IS is certainly not going to be left out.

Silverio Gospel is the most accommodating enemy you could wish for. Not only does the berserk weapon of mass destruction not cause any real damage of note, preferring to fly around the ocean and then park near land, waiting for someone to deal with it, but it also waits until the end of your totally pointless convo to attack. It never would have even come close to hitting the ship had Ichika not interrupted stopping it to note that hey, there's a ship down there, let's cease dealing with the threat to it for seemingly no reason.

What is Houki even emoting over? She did nothing wrong except disregard the pirate ship to destroy what was threatening it! Only to wind up on the receiving end of a sermon about how she should be nicer? The hell? Why do we even care about Houki anyway? She hasn't been important since whenever and before that all she did was be an asshole.

Episode 12 prediction: The girls rally to defeat Silverio Gosepel only to realize that tis a feat which cannot be accomplished without a penis. Ichika flies in to an OP insert and saves the day. Open ending while producers decide whether the show sold enough to merit another adaptation of the mediocre source material.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on March 25, 2011, 06:29:29 AM
11:

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Ayako_Infinite_Stratos_-_IS_-_11_H264720p276FC82Fmkv_snapshot_0256_20110325_212149.jpg)

Pretentious bitch is pretentious.

It's good that the bunny crackpot is out of the picture (hopefully for good), but the show is still disgusting because she's being replaced by cheesy melodramatic shit. Seriously, that's as bad a melodrama as it can go. I don't even want to explain why it's terrible.

Oh, and forget questioning the common sense of it all. Does it matter if Houki and Ichika can apparently go up to almost the speed of sound without any bodily injuries or how the IS is amazingly considered to be a SPORT EQUIPMENT and not a WEAPON, even after demonstrating how powerful it is.

Episode 12 prediction: The girls rally to defeat Silverio Gosepel only to realize that tis a feat which cannot be accomplished without a penis. Ichika flies in to an OP insert and saves the day. Open ending while producers decide whether the show sold enough to merit another adaptation of the mediocre source material.

And, Ichika will eventually remain to be a dickhead when it comes to interacting with the girls who's fighting to get into his pants.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on March 25, 2011, 02:25:08 PM
11:

This has got to be one of the worst episodes to date, and that is saying a lot. It had so many things that made me go "THAT WOULDN'T WORK!!" or !"THAT'S SO F***ING STUPID!". Let me give you a brief run down:

1) "I'll Carry you properly" you say? So how does this "carrying properly" happen? Ichika grabs onto Houki's bare shoulder with his IS arm, and that's pretty much it.

2) The turbulence from travelling from super-sonic speeds or just below would cause the IS's which are completely in-aerodynamic to shake and shudder so violently that they would certainly kill the pilots, but they might also fall apart due to frame stress as well.

3) The retarded transformation sequence of the two IS's. Houki's IS is perverted and squeezes her boobs in the transformation process, and Ichika's required a shounen yell to activate it, where it didn't need it before. Everyone was able to activate it without any effort at all before, so why is Ichika yelling? Because he feels like it? Maybe he's pumping himself up? ah whatever...

4) Ichika "Oh my god, the evil IS dodged my attack! I didn't expect this at all!! That screwed up my plan entirely!"

5) Ichika had the chance to end the battle right then, but he instead chose to ignore this to protect the boat, this is stupid for 3 main reasons:
              1) The boat wouldn't have needed protecting if he had destroyed the IS then and there
              2) The IS wasn't firing any missiles in that direction, my would you position yourself so that the IS fired in that direction?
              3) The only missiles you blocked weren't even heading in the direction of the ship.
So Basically he didn't destroy the IS, he attracted its fire so it was at the ship that he wanted to protect, and then he did a crap job at protecting it. FOOL!!!

6) "Houki... don't say such sad things". Why did they need to be naked in a weird realm for that line, and I agree with Houki anyway, do what your supposed to, many more peoples lives are at stake than the two or three on the boat.

7) Hey, I have a great idea, sure your shocked at the fact you became cold towards criminals (otherwise known as the weak), but why don't you completely let up your guard against the evil IS behind you who is intent on killing you? Sounds like a plan.

8 ) My god, I'm completely out of shield energy OMG, I just got hit by a gigantic explosion, don't worry though, I'm fine, really. I lost consciousness and all, but things considered, I think it went quite well.

9) "They were disrupting the law and order, yet how could you forgive them? Is that your strength? Is that why you're strong?" ....I think you'll find that's personal ethics or belief or what-have-you. No effect on strength whatsoever, just so you know.

10) This is actually a compliment to Ichika, he knows which bully to punch. Target the fat ones, 'cause once you knock them down, they lose all will to fight. Good work.

11) Houki, get a grip you fool. As our that Chinese loli said "don't get mushy over this", Stop being so melodramatic, it makes me sick.

12) What Power source has the evil IS been using, nuclear? It's been in a battle already, and has been travelling for tens of hours without break. It's also been maintaining a shield for several hours. Yet I doubt its about to run out of shield power... Well, it wouldn't be much of a fight if its batteries just ran out, it's quite a cool looking IS I have to admit.

Anyway, that's my basic list, and that's only the stuff in front of me, I haven't even gone into the implications of some of the things that happened. This show is retarded I tell you!! Retarded!!

Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Sorrow-kun on March 26, 2011, 11:34:15 PM
Ep 11

I'd take this as a pretty incisive lesson in how not to do drama.  There's not a shred of subtlety to its pitch at all.  The whole "don't fight near the pirates, they're victims too" and Houki's whole regretful episode thinking about it... it's a pretty clear example of why the sledgehammer approach to drama just comes off as tacky and stupid.  It doesn't work in an anime like this because no one's taking it seriously to begin with.  I know there's an ongoing debate about what works better... the crappy fanservice anime that knows what it is, and the crappy fanservice anime that tries to reach above the limitations of its genre.  Well, I'm of the opinion that the latter has the potential to work better, but you have to be able to execute.  If you can't execute, stick to what you can do well.  Infinite Stratos has shown for 11 episodes now that it can't execute.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on March 31, 2011, 04:21:19 PM
The FINAL episode:

Right, so the final episode, surprisingly I have both good and bad things to say:

1) The evil IS does look pretty sleek, it's probably the best looking IS apart from that black one that turned up around episode 5 (what was the purpose of that in the end?), however, you do wonder why it seems to have 40 times the shield energy of the most advanced IS's to date. I imagine this may be slightly down to bunny girl, making an terrifying threat that if her sister solves (or takes part in dealing with it) will give her serious brownie points. (Perhaps it's to give her something to put on her CV). But if this is the case, then you realize bunny girl has been deliberately holding back humanity's progress in order to stand her sister in good stead with 'some people'. That's pretty selfish don't you think?

2) The battle scene was surprisingly good. Sure it had a bit of the CGI in-fluidity, and it had other minor issues, but overall it was fantastic. The Background music was generic, but played the part of setting the atmosphere well, and the action was great, considering the expectations of Infinite Stratos. I think there was even a little bit of tension, it was short lived though due to 3).

3) What the hell was that "do you desire power?" bulls**t? He's randomly found himself in another realm, or two other realms... Ichika proves how slow he is through this sequence:
        Camera shot of Ichika and white haired girl (WHG)
        WHG: "It's flying, I've got to go"
        Ichika looks up at sky whilst the camera pans upwards to the sky
        Ichika looks back and the camera pans back - the WHG is gone
        3 seconds later - Ichika "huh?"
The purpose of this was to somehow show us Ichika powering up to the second form of Byakushiki, even though it's a machine (probably, even this basic assumption seems misplaced in Infinite Stratos), so why do we need this ephemeral sh**? It interrupted what had the potential to be a good fight scene, [u[with tension[/u]!!

4) The girls were starting to beat the Evil IS, and the main protagonist was not around, therefore there was a need for something called "the second shift". Laura knows what it is, yet the machine in front of her is the only machine that uses it (Or it could be everyone's not going into second shift for fun), and it was developed in secret. Ah well...

5) Even though there's a fight going on in the background where all of his comrade's are being slaughtered, Ichika sure has a lot of time to waste talking to Houki about irrelevant stuff, like Ribbons. I was half expecting them to start talking about the weather as Laura got killed in the background by a beam cannon.

6) Houki's IS has the power to make energy. Now this may sound stupid, but it's actually really really stupid. What was that law that someone discovered/derived - "energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only changed from one form to another", some well renown scientist, ah who cares for the laws of physics? I need to save Ichika cause he's spent all his shield energy blocking his opponents attacks when he could just dodge them.

7) The conversation between Chifuyu and bunny girl... well, I'm not going to bother going into this one, Covering this conversation alone would take up another half a page.

Lastly: OH MY FRICKING GOD!!! Ichika recognized Houki as a member of the opposite sex, and upon realizing this, I think he tried to kiss her. This is stupid, but it's unexpected, I thought they'd leave it with an open ending. To think I was almost surprised when their moment was ruined by the other girls, what right do they have to stop him kissing who he wants anyway?

Final Thoughts: I have a lot of them, I'll come to them later (perhaps) to avoid overloading the forum.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Averruncus on April 02, 2011, 03:43:02 PM
6) Houki's IS has the power to make energy. Now this may sound stupid, but it's actually really really stupid. What was that law that someone discovered/derived - "energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only changed from one form to another", some well renown scientist, ah who cares for the laws of physics? I need to save Ichika cause he's spent all his shield energy blocking his opponents attacks when he could just dodge them.

I believe this is because Houki's suit is the first IS to run on spiral power, therefore her fighting spirit powered up the IS... makes sense to me at least...

I agree with all of you points though, the last two episodes were really a mess. The dream sequence was the worst for me though as it seemed to be completely pointless. Byakushiki didn't seem to power up at all, the only addition was a defense mode which really didn't make much of a difference in the battle. The claw attack at the end turned into the sword at the end of the scene, so no difference there either. Ichika hasn't gotten anymore kick-ass and Byakushiki's battery life is as pathetic as ever. The dream could have been shorter and less abstract (maybe dream of all the times he has promised to protect the girls and then waking up) and still served the same purpose.
Ichika also choose the worst possible time to give Houki her birthday present. What was he thinking? Can this not wait till you've saved your comrades? Did the writers really expect ppl to see that and go "awwww, that's sweet...".
And why isn't Chifuyu in an IS herself? What exactly does she do all day in that room? It really seems that she just stares at the screen and frowns. Why let your students do all the life threatening work? Why not let the other green haired teacher fight? She took on both Cecil and Rin at one point. How come no one else is chasing down this rouge IS? Ichika and crew had time to track and chase down the robot twice! Why hasn't the school/goverment/anyone sent help?

I also love how much they can get away with. Disobeying orders only amounts to a self-evaluation letter... No expulsion, not even detention. I guess writing that letter is considered capital punishment in the IS universe. Sure, the ends justify the means, but they are disobeying orders with nuclear grade weapons. What if they were captured or worse, killed? Who would take responsibility then?

The ending was unexpected, but really... at this point I no longer cared about any of the characters to give a shit.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: AC on April 02, 2011, 09:05:22 PM
Final:

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Stratos-Subs_Infinite_Stratos_-_12_1280x720_H264_AAC_379759DBmkv_snapshot_2110_20110403_113315.jpg) (http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/Cool_Patrick_Star_by_frietje_met.jpg)

Other than that, this is how I sum up the whole episode:

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n256/animanic_critic/sadako_ayane-yano_keikaku-doori_kimi-ni-todoke.jpg)

KEIKAKU DOORI.

--

My thoughts:

The show isn't even entitled appropriately, just like Dragon Crisis' case. IS doesn't stand for Infinite Stratos; it should stand for INFINITE STEREOTYPES. Harem, tsunderes, moe, asinine male lead, whatever you can think of that shitsmears anime are in this series. Only one character in the show is likable, and that's Charlotte (aka France-chan). To make things more fecal, everytime the show tries to be smart with its political explanation, it stumbles on gaping and nonsensical plot holes. Even Hetalia Axis Power isn't as terrible as this.

It's a 3/10 for me. Even if the mecha fights are pretty to watch, the show just gets on my nerves.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Sorrow-kun on April 03, 2011, 02:49:00 AM
Why did this show try to be even remotely serious?  That's not its go.

3/10.  I don't mind garbage every now and then as long as it's fun garbage.  The last three eps weren't the least bit fun to watch.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: HirakuNoShadow on April 03, 2011, 04:21:01 AM
Final Thoughts:

Thank God I don't do history anymore; the current unit (according to my friends) is on Hitler / Nazi Germany, followed by the French Revolution (coincidence?).

Nevertheless, my thoughts on IS is not much different from Index; both are shitty as ever. Hence, I shall give this a lovely 3/10. Damn you all for sparking my curiosity from all the debate in this thread. ;_;
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on April 03, 2011, 06:55:15 AM
Now, I'd agree with everyone on the forum and say that a 3/10 is a suitable rating, however, I'm going to give it a separate rating for the enjoyment I got out of this show as the weekly episodes came out, namely 6/10, why? Totally because of this thread, it just made it much more enjoyable. Commenting on how retarded it was every week, making fun of it, that boosted the rating of how much I enjoyed it. The show was a definite 3 though, no question.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: ImperialX on April 03, 2011, 07:07:35 AM
Now, I'd agree with everyone on the forum and say that a 3/10 is a suitable rating, however, I'm going to give it a separate rating for the enjoyment I got out of this show as the weekly episodes came out, namely 6/10, why? Totally because of this thread, it just made it much more enjoyable. Commenting on how retarded it was every week, making fun of it, that boosted the rating of how much I enjoyed it.

^ This. To be honest, I really did enjoy IS. It's one of those rare examples of a harem (including a harem ending) done right. All the classic archetypes were there are implemented properly, so there wasn't a single character who I disliked. The mecha doesn't always fit in very well, but this is a harem show - so what do you expect? Let's just put it this way - when I have unwatched episodes if any other show from the Winter Season in my downloads folder (aside from Madoka), and an IS episode is amongst them, I'd open up IS first.

A well-executed harem with lovable characters and plenty of fanservice that wasn't annoying, this show is a 6/10. It doesn't try to do too much - it knows what kind of show it is, and executes the concepts solidly. Kore wa Zombie is an example of a harem that tries to do too much, and ends up being all over the place. That's what makes that show a 5 and this one a 6.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Pebble on October 04, 2013, 05:43:22 AM
Season 2

Yep, I'm going to do this. Now lets see why everyone throws so much hate on this show...

1:

Oh.
I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING

So... what I learned from this episode:
- British people have limousines and irritating voices.
- Germans are militaristic. And tsundere.
- Chinese people don't expect ice cream to be cold.
- Japanese people don't get screentime when it can be given to...
- French people, who think the best way to diffuse a bomb is by shooting the detonator.
- Japanese men are stupid.
- The best way to diffuse a tense situation involving an enemy who walked into your home base with a mecha is to lower your weapons and let it kill you.
- You should always, on taking hostages in a shop, conveniently omit to explain why you're breaking in and taking hostages in the first place.
- Never bring your own car when trying to rob a cafe. Getaways are for n00blords.
- You should also always remember to strap bombs to yourself the next time you attempt a robbery*; it really helps, because guns really don't have the same scare-value. After all, you are antagonists, and your aim is entirely dependent on whether the plot demands accuracy or not.
- Bullets can be effortlessly dodged it you are moe enough.
- The police will not put a tracking device on the car they give you, because they are nice people.
- If they are not nice people, they will still not put the tracking device on your car because otherwise you will find out that they put a tracking device on your car, and will shoot the hostages you left behind in the cafe. From the car.
- Tracking devices are easy to spot.
- Boobs.

*honestly, why did they throw in a suicide bomber? People don't prepare themselves for death in a damn robbery. It was most definitely a robbery because (a)ski-mask men wanted to GTFO with a car, (b) nobody attacks a cafe for political reasons, (c) nobody knew our MCs were in the cafe, so no political reasons.

And I have to say, the last bit with the pool was amazing. This show is being half-assed with half-assed harem tropes.

Other than that, the Yuri is much appreciated, Charlotte and Laura aren't bad characters(speaking relatively), and the girls are hot(save for Houki). Plus, why are the armor suits shaped like that? It should make for some good action since everyone would have high attack and tiny health bars, but why would such suits be produced? Except to put characters in sexy skinsuits, of course.

But Yuri. 10/10 if the Yuri escalates quickly.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on October 04, 2013, 07:27:07 AM
1:

Grrrrrrrrrr........

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrr grrrrr grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..............


GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.............................

GRRRRRRR...... grrrrrr......

*sigh*
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Delphinox on October 04, 2013, 08:59:40 AM
Screw it. Leapfrogging off of some of what Pebble has already for kicks and giggles:

Yep, I'm going to do this. Now lets see why everyone throws so much hate on this show...

1:

Oh.
I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING I REGRET NOTHING

Why do you do this to yourself.

- British people have limousines and irritating voices.

Not sure if you're ragging on British people or Yukana here.

- Chinese people don't expect ice cream to be cold.

Not wholly illogical. Country's hell on earth during the summer.

- Japanese men are stupid.

Reason #1 why the first season is important; this show doesn't concuss you as hard without the sexism and Ichika "my head could break a jackhammer" Orimura.

- Never bring your own car when trying to rob a cafe. Getaways are for n00blords.

That's not how it works, goddammit! You're supposed to be intimidated by the fact that these robbers can outrun cop cars!

- You should also always remember to strap bombs to yourself the next time you attempt a robbery*; it really helps, because guns really don't have the same scare-value. After all, you are antagonists, and your aim is entirely dependent on whether the plot demands accuracy or not.
- Bullets can be effortlessly dodged it you are moe enough.

This show's gameplan:

1) See trope.
2) Drive straight into trope at 100 mph, ignoring logical rammifications.
3) Rinse and repeat.

- The police will not put a tracking device on the car they give you, because they are nice people.
- If they are not nice people, they will still not put the tracking device on your car because otherwise you will find out that they put a tracking device on your car, and will shoot the hostages you left behind in the cafe. From the car.
- Tracking devices are easy to spot.
- Boobs.

These four points were joined together because the show only cares about one word between all of them. Guess which one it is.

Other than that, the Yuri is much appreciated, Charlotte and Laura aren't bad characters(speaking relatively), and the girls are hot(save for Houki). Plus, why are the armor suits shaped like that? It should make for some good action since everyone would have high attack and tiny health bars, but why would such suits be produced? Except to put characters in sexy skinsuits, of course.

Well, there you go.

But Yuri. 10/10 if the Yuri escalates quickly.

Sure, why the hell not.

---

In the meantime, when did Charlotte and Laura get along so well? I barely remember the two interacting during the first season. Then again, my lack of memory could be for other reasons...
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 04, 2013, 04:29:09 PM
S2-1:

Oh.  It's this show again.  Well let's see how long it takes them to piss me off.

Viewing....

-Funky murder dream obviously used to foreshadow the new season big bad.  Fine, whatever.
-Germany in his bed again, wearing fetish swimsuit, wants date, Ichika bes stupid.  All normal shit for a harem series.
-England arrives, proves that women are more perverted than men.  Yadda Yadda.
-Oh cute.  France and Germany are trying to be friends.  D'aw.
-Pebble already stole the joke about the popsicle, but China manages to get the first patented "IS Dumb **** Moment" out of the way by using her iS mecha arm, which can eradicate entire city blocks in seconds, to punch her would be lover.  He doesn't die.
-Oh cute.  France and Germany are clothes shopping.  They're trying to form a bond.  Boy they're spending a lot of time building up a Nazi and Collaborator angle here, if you get my drift.  Eh?  Little Schlieffen Plan through the nether-lands, if you follow me.  Bit of trench warfare in "no man's" land, eh eh?

...

...

...

I'M TRYING TO SAY THEYR'E GOING TO... be best pals.  God, you people are dense.

-Houki is actually concerned her breasts grew again.  Like, this is a seriously bad thing.  For who I have no idea.
-France and Germany are tabbed for part-time work as a butler and maid respectively.  I think this scene is just to remind us that France was totally a believable dude for most of last season.  Like, nobody ever doubted for a second that Charolette was a girl.  Y'know, people without basic human sensory organs.  Those kinds of people.  Ironically, in that butler outfit, she's somehow more busty than she ever was (granted, before, tape was involved, and as Mythbusters has proven, tape is amazing), so maybe the point is to remind us that it was stupid to believe she was ever a guy in the first place.  Maybe IS is finally getting self aware that its plot elements were straight out of the rejected pile for Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
-Random burglary happens, cops are on it in like... seconds.  Now that's some damned efficiency.   Did anybody even call the cops first?  Did they just KNOW something was going down?  Are the cops in on it?  Was this one giant scheme to try to get our two country candidates to expose themselves to the public?  Because for some reason this would be a bad thing?
-Oh... there's the stupid.  I could have forgiven the China beatdown thing as just random "comedy' hijinks, but not this.  No way.

She is flicking ****ing ice at people.  Ice.  Flicking.  ****ing.  Sixty acrobatic stunts later involving jumping high in a low ceiling putting bullets into things that bullets should not go into, our heroines have managed to subdue every bad guy, and avert a new wave of government security crackdowns invading your privacy and violating your liberties to prevent terrorism.

This is followed up quickly by another "action" sequence involving some new big bad threat who looks in no way at all like the terrible murderous creature in Ichika's dream.  Because this is the first established moment of our meanie-bo-beanie, she has to be so badass that she makes a credible threat.  So, naturally, mooks fall, mecha look like toys, and she has shiny gear.  That's all you need to know for now.  Off screen, she wins her battle and accomplishes her mission because of course she does, and we move on.

I hope the stupid is ov...

-DAT VOICED OVER MONTAGE!!!

Oh my castrated God!  What asshole thought this was a good idea!?  I mean, I can deal with general IS stupidity.  I KNOW MORONS WRITE THIS SHOW.  So when someone does something so utterly retarded I just accept it as part of the "charm" of this show and move on.  But directorial mistakes!?  This is a new low, and we're just getting started on the new season!

They spent an appreciable (and by that I mean actually that I appreciated it) amount of time building the buddy buddy stuff with France and Germany, which I am kind of cool with.  To this point, the girls have all basically been after Ichika's superior genetic code chowder for baby production, and haven't really interacted with each other much, so giving a couple of them time to develop SOME SEMBLANCE OF ****ING PERSONALITY is not a bad idea.  However, by doing so, they used a lot of the episode's running time.  So this was the sacrifice?  We're going to obliterate a cliche'd sequence of anime summer experiences into two minutes with random voice overs that come off clumsy and confusing in places?

*sigh*....

New low.  I couldn't believe it, but they somehow set a new low.

And they're doing the running ending again.

Oh IS, I didn't realize until now how much I didn't miss you.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on October 04, 2013, 04:53:44 PM
-Random burglary happens, cops are on it in like... seconds.  Now that's some damned efficiency.   Did anybody even call the cops first?  Did they just KNOW something was going down?  Are the cops in on it?  Was this one giant scheme to try to get our two country candidates to expose themselves to the public?  Because for some reason this would be a bad thing?

I liked how when they arrived they said "You're already totally surrounded". I thought "yeh, I can see why you said that".


By the way, there is an OVA of sorts which is a longer version of this episode. That montage of yours.... yep, it's the shortened version of what I assume makes up the bulk of the "new" material in the feature length episode.

I tried to make a list of complaints but it got lost in translation.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 04, 2013, 07:41:11 PM
By the by, I'm glad we bumped this old thread because I went back and read it.

God damn I'm funny, but Jesus Christ was I taking this pile of crap too seriously at the beginning.  I shoulda known this was just a crap harem anime and not gotten my hopes up it wouldn't be.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: ImperialX on October 06, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
Maybe IS is finally getting self aware that its plot elements were straight out of the rejected pile for Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

But...but...that intro scene! So much foreshadowing of PLOT!
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 06, 2013, 08:45:41 PM
Imperial... no.  No.  Go lay down.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Aeshma on October 07, 2013, 06:42:13 AM
It´s funny because I didn´t remember Infinite Stratos being this bad. The awful montage near the end of the episode was just the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on October 07, 2013, 08:34:42 AM
It´s funny because I didn´t remember Infinite Stratos being this bad. The awful montage near the end of the episode was just the icing on the cake.

Time has been good to your memory.  It was always this bad.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Aeshma on October 07, 2013, 09:03:02 AM
Time has been good to your memory.  It was always this bad.

I thought it was more entertaining? This episode was so bland and dull too.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on October 07, 2013, 10:10:14 AM
Only when the action gets going or someone new has invaded Ichika's room.   Without any IS action, the series is pretty boring.  Though don't try to apply any logic to why anything happens.   That'll make your head hurt SO BAD.

At least Ichika hadn't gotten stuck doing Touma's moralizing.  I've got a bad feeling we might get some of that this time.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 07, 2013, 12:25:31 PM
It´s funny because I didn´t remember Infinite Stratos being this bad. The awful montage near the end of the episode was just the icing on the cake.

Might I please direct you to the rest of this thread for reasons why Infinite Stratos is ****ing awful.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: KS on October 07, 2013, 04:54:09 PM
So I never saw the first season of Infinite Stratos and basically am only checking this out for a little bit because it was so infamous around these parts and I know the discussion will be amusing.  I read the thread as a sort of primer on the first season and have a feeling it should prove suitable enough (this is a wish-fulfillment show based on a Light Novel about depicting an average as **** Japanese dunce with his international harem of perfectly flawless [in terms of appearances] stock archetypes under the auspicion of being what I like to refer to as a fake mecha show right?) and was particularly amused by the disproportionate post to episode count at the start where the conversation very quickly went from the topic of gender roles, misandry/misogyny and racism to just how stupid and generic the first season apparently was.

Anyway the opening scene alone makes clear how stereotypical the characters personalties are going to be throughout the rest of the episode.  You've got the

The Yamato Nadeshiko Tsundere shrine maiden Japanese childhood friend (Who by the way is super jealous and clearly hand-picked from the start as "the winner")
-The haughty ojou-sama British character (Britain has a history of royalty, that means all British people clearly act like they have their head in the clouds and for some reason uses stereotypical Japanese ojouspeak inflections like Watakushi and desu wa at least once in every sentence.....but seriously she's totally British and in no way the author imposing Japanese ideals onto what they think Aristocratic people from other countries are like)
-The feisty Chinese sort of loli Kung Fu grrl in a Chinese dress (also the one that manages to least stand out and probably deliberately since god knows how Japan feels about other Asian countries.  At least for her sake she's not a Korean character in a Japanese anime but close enough I guess. :/ )
- The kind of meek and mostly cutesy French girl (France did terrible during WWII so we'll make her the moe one that the Japanese fans will want to "protect" and have her be voiced by Kana Hanazawa)
- The stoic, serious and kind of passive aggressive German one (Germany has a long tradition of Opera a harsh accent and a distinguished military background (Prussian culture) so that means we should make the German character the most passive aggressive)
- I think I saw another character in there.  Some quick research reveals she's supposed to be half-Japanese half Russian so obviously we'll find out she's some sort of ballet or other dancer and that'll play in to her unit in some obvious yet probably really stupid and contrived fashion.

Anyway none of these characters progress much beyond the obvious stock stereotypes in this episode (to little surprise given how people described the first season) and it tends to be a bad sign when your episode starts with your MC dreaming about being strangled to death by his stock perfect overachieving demi-god onee-san archetype (I read the backlogs so I know about this stuff) followed by him waking up to a girl in his bed for some reason dressed in a swimsuit proclaiming that "This time I'm not naked".   I knew I was in for a long 22 minutes pretty early in and I have to wonder if there's some sort of Freudian issues behind the authors obviously limited inspiration for writing this story.  Then I guess it's time for ojou-bitch who we also see wants the Ichidick but no time for that cause it's on to Kana Hanazawa and Fraulein Laura talking about how much Ichika sucks as a waifu and them deciding to go buy clothes cause I guess that's just what grrls do.  It was about here that I had my first "oh christ" moment as it become clear we were in for stock plots up the wazoo and that this show has entirely too many female characters it knows it needs to show off that despite being from different countries are only really distinguishable from each other by the thinnest of moe archetype tropes.

There's really not much else here to comment on, the show does nothing remarkable but have female character designs that look aesthetically appealing, which *gasp* guess what is pretty common in TV anime series nowadays regardless of genre pretensions.  They somehow manage to work even every single harem anime stock plot/stock character stereotype into the first episode from the guy getting punched around from seeing girls in various states of undress or for not responding to their advances, to girls going on shopping trips and trying on clothes with one being really enthusiastic about such a mundane activity and the other being bizarrely put off by it.  This is of course very necessarily followed by the obligatory part time work at a maid cafe scene (the only slight twist in which involves two girls bouncing all over the place flicking ice cubes at the worlds lamest robbers who it still takes the two of them three attempts to fully subdue.  And seriously who tries to knock over a maid cafe?), the obligatory walk in on a girl in a shower scene (ZOMG liek did mah J cup bust grow even bigger?  I must now ponder how I can use this to win the Ichidick even though he clearly doesn't care he's surrounded by a harem of flawless nubile high school girls that all just happen to have the most desirable LN style moe traits of the era), the obligatory girls enjoying and discussing the merits of sweets way too ****ing much with awkward yuri scene (Hurr mixed berry is the best berry...oh hold on let me lick those leftovers right off your fa....there we go) that transitions into another really embarrassing yuri scene, the obligatory water park swimsuit adventure scene (that is either depicted as a slide show or just really REALLY badly cut so that it includes only the stockest of dialogue cues and scenes of girls in bathing suits).....look I've already seen plenty of these girls skin tits, asses, legs, feet, torsos, already 12 minutes in, ****ing do something that's not a stock scenario....ANYTHING..........followed by....a festival Yukata scene with everyone commenting on how cute they all look.....****.  Oh right there was one mildly interesting scene about an IS jack awkwardly sandwiched in-between the scene with two girls in cat suits molesting each other and the trip to the water park that was naturally also the shortest single cut in the entire episode.

Stock stock stock stock stock stock stock stock STOCK!  Stock plots and characters everywhere, zero imagination whatsoever in the writing and I know it's because this show is already a proven property.  They don't have to do anything but keep the art quality up, keep the characters personalities as stock and obvious in their one dimensional appeal as waifus and keep the fanservice coming with the occasional not really mecha fight scene to remind everyone that this show is apparently supposed to be about people in an academy learning to pilot powered armor flight suits and watch the money role in.  I don't even know why people got so mad about this first season to be honest, it's just so stock, so utterly by the book in every aspect down to it's very core that it feels like nothing worth getting to upset over.  Like what distinguishes this from something like Date A Live cause I'm just not seeing anything.

@Delphinox: That was Yukana?!

@TIF:  If I figured this show cared about anything other than pandering its waifus at Japanese men with way too much disposable income I'd suggest that it'd be funny if it came out that Charlotte was the descendant of Marshall Pétain but then you'd have too many people asking "Who the hell is Phillipe Petain?! Why isn't everyone undressing or performing some physically impossible feat yet?"
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on October 07, 2013, 09:06:24 PM
Date A Live is a legitimately better series.  It was actually watchable and made an attempt at logic, while not taking itself too seriously in the wrong places.

Infinite Stratos tries to pass off as serious things that are completely laughable.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on October 11, 2013, 04:23:56 AM
2:

Of the odd/stupid/really stupid things in most IS episodes, the one that really got me was the Aikido match.  As much as it's "all about control & manipulation", a monstrous amount of Aikido is actually still down to strength.  Especially the way they animated it.  He had at least 20-30 pounds on the Student Council President, the only way he likely looses is he's an idiot (which is true) or he gets tripped.  I know the animators don't know anything, but it was still terrible.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 11, 2013, 04:34:56 PM
2:

Well, let's see, we have a new season, and all the girls are already established and mostly played out, and we're not ready to do anything stupid like "character development", so what option do we have left?

Oh of course!  Add a new girl!  That'll keep the fans of this bullshit buying those DVDs and Blu-Rays!  Also, we have to make sure the DOMINATES the **** out of this episode to catch up with the other girls.

We'll need an explanation for why she wasn't around in season one.  Let's see... hmm... we'll make her the student council president, because we didn't have one of those yet and no harem high school academy setting is complete without a student council president... and make her the new bad ass!

But that doesn't tell us why she wasn't around.  Hmm... we have a total bad ass, who is the best of the best at this Academy, because otherwise she wouldn't be student council president see.. and she could have been a big help with those situations that cropped up in season one.  Hmm... what's a good excuse.  Can't think of one. We'll just say she was "busy".  That's believable right?  I mean, this fanbase wont care if the strongest and most powerful IS pilot at the academy wasn't around during most of the first season, which incorporated several months of the character's lives, and couldn't assist in any of the crises that came up?

Well, if they think about it too hard, just give 'em a shot of Charolette bending over.  That'll cure that shit.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on October 12, 2013, 04:35:46 AM
2:

The IS Academy is full of thirsty girls, all of which lust after Ichika. ALL OF THEM. I forgot about this. What did I say last season? Orimura is like meat that's been thrown to an academy of starving lions. This is because we all know that females cannot do without a male. They also feel self-entitled to him as well "Ichika is our common property". This is clever, because it makes it seem like the girls are being sexist since they are treating Ichika like a sex object. It's like they're trying to fool everyone.

Also, that is an incredibly solid (if not entirely unaccpetable and immoral) way of winning a Judo match. Still, since Ichika can pretty much get away with murder, he should have used it to win.

"If you don't style yourself Ichika is going to dislike you".  Actually to be fair this is something that society believes in general, so calling IS out on it's sexism here seems cruel.

Also, I like how all the girls despite loving him beyond all reason often try and outright kill him. I mean sure he won't die because something always happens, but seems to me like a suspect thing to rely upon.

Charlotte is still the best though. I suppose there's that.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 12, 2013, 10:00:16 AM
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Also, I like how all the girls despite loving him beyond all reason often try and outright kill him. I mean sure he won't die because something always happens, but seems to me like a suspect thing to rely upon.

Right now the only thing saving Ichika's ass is "comedy".  In the first episode of this season, China gives him a full punch with her metallic covered right arm.  Even if she was restraining herself, the mass of the metallic arm plus any kind of velocity = pain.  Serious pain.  Try bumping your car into someone going 25 mph and see how well they come out of that.

Charolette, in this episode, dull a full gun shooting at him, which I assume she misses him on purpose and is just freaking him out.  Of course, we don't see that, so she could have been shooting him the whole time and he still somehow doesn't die.

Hozuki, on the other hand, has no excuse.  She's bearing her blade against him and the only thing that stopped her from chopping him in half was the new girl.  Y'know, to demonstrate how badass she is.

I get that physical comedy (woman on man) has been an accepted part of every harem for decades, but unless you're going for utter absurdism, which the show isn't doing INTENTIONALLY, then trying to pull this shit off as acceptable is ****ing stupid.  But, since IS is completely retarded to begin with, the creators are just handwaving all of this away based on their own cynical view that nobody will care, because FUNNY.

It takes truly autistic ****ers like us to care, and we're not the target audience for this piece of shit.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Pebble on October 13, 2013, 12:06:47 AM
2:
 
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I feel for you, Rei.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Bayumu on October 14, 2013, 01:52:23 AM
2:

I'm not sure why I'm still watching this now that Charlotte doesn't get as much screen time.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 14, 2013, 05:16:53 PM
You got a rather large dose of her ass, what more do you want?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Bayumu on October 16, 2013, 12:40:15 AM
Boobs.

A little more seriously, I really liked the slice of life and comedic moments before Charlotte moved out of Ichika's room. They were really the only things worth watching.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 18, 2013, 12:24:08 AM
S2-3:

*Sigh*....
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Delphinox on October 19, 2013, 10:32:07 AM
3:

I don't know what ticked me off more: the fact that half the episode was constituted of the same asinine gag being retread over and over again, or the fact that I was secretly hoping that one of the girls - I don't really care who - would actually land a couple of hits on Ichika. I'd rather not be angry enough to wish bodily injury or death on a 2D character, but one of these days somebody in the IS-verse will have to figure out what comprises his density. Maybe the show could take a step back and scrap the whole liberal-use-of-lethal-force gag as well, but God forbid I have that high of expectations for this show.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 19, 2013, 01:47:31 PM
They did it in this episode.  Everytime one of his harem girls does something, he gets and ouchy, maybe.  Villain girl kicks him, nearly dead.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on October 20, 2013, 07:17:10 AM
3:

It's amazing how slow the dialogue is. I forgot that I had the player on 1.23x speed, and I didn't realise until 3/4 of the way through. I recommend it as a way to watch the episodes and spend 4 less minutes doing so.

Anyway, what the hell is with the size of that stage? This stage itself must be as big as a football field from what we saw, but there's no way that could be right. Also why the **** are there locker rooms under the theatre. I could understand a changing room readily, but a locker room?

Whatevs.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on October 22, 2013, 11:12:32 PM
3:

So, I didn't get to ep 3 for a long while, and while I remember the first season having some head-slappingly bad logic, was it *THIS* bad?  A live munitions hunt of Ichika?  Really?  You don't use Guns that way Japan!
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: ImperialX on October 22, 2013, 11:44:33 PM
I remember the first season having some head-slappingly bad logic, was it *THIS* bad?  A live munitions hunt of Ichika?

No, the first season wasn't *THIS* bad.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Pebble on October 23, 2013, 11:58:25 AM
3:

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This is a picture of Ichika. There is a crown on his head. The crown stays on his head.

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This is a picture of Ichika falling down. In the next frame the crown is on his head.

HOW DOES THIS SHIT GET GREENLIGHTED?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on October 23, 2013, 01:02:09 PM
Yeah, his crown kept disappearing.  Plus, if he was impacted that badly by removing his crown, how was anyone going to get it off him? 

I far prefer Yuu-shibu to this, haha.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on October 25, 2013, 02:03:30 AM
4:

Mostly out of a desire to help me sleep, I watched ep 4 right after it was available.  Let's just say: 1) I'm very sleepy, so this will be short and 2) this show really is very terrible.

But 8-bit does some really good fight animation, even if the CGI isn't perfect.  (Btw, is that not the biggest locker room in the world or what?)  I could listen to Saitou Chiwa having fun all day and Ichika is still as useless as ever.  This series is only tolerable when there's a lot of combat.  Even if most of it fails at pretty basic combat tactics.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Sorrow-kun on October 25, 2013, 02:37:03 AM
HOW DOES THIS SHIT GET GREENLIGHTED?
Because it prints money. Do you really need to ask?  ;D
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on October 25, 2013, 01:07:12 PM
I slept well, btw.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 29, 2013, 01:12:42 PM
4:

Jesus Christ.  We get it, she's a badass.  Now she has a completely broken personal IS capable of manipulating water by magical nanomachines that are magical because they can control water in a way that isn't explained except NANOMACHINES MOTHER****ER!

I'm just waiting for the IS with the power of Heart, then we can summon Captain Planet.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on October 29, 2013, 04:19:54 PM
4:

Jesus Christ.  We get it, she's a badass.  Now she has a completely broken personal IS capable of manipulating water by magical nanomachines that are magical because they can control water in a way that isn't explained except NANOMACHINES MOTHER****ER!

I'm just waiting for the IS with the power of Heart, then we can summon Captain Planet.

Sadly, that's too logical for IS.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on October 29, 2013, 06:03:13 PM
Wouldn't it simply be easier to control the air with whatever that bullshit technology was?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on October 30, 2013, 04:34:49 PM
Don't think about it too hard.  I already had a cow over several pieces of advanced technology demonstrated in the first season as being FAR more significant and important than the ISes themselves.  But, yeah, programmed nanomachines that could not only manipulate matter but also work as quickly as the human brain can to make all the effects you want with that matter happen would basically render all ISes pointless.

Though if I had to make a scientific explanation for why one but not the other, the only thing I can come up with is some kind of density requirement.  Liquid water is 1 gram per centimeter cubed, ice is about 0.9, steam is 0.8 grams per centimeter cubed, air is 1.2 grams per centimeter cubed.  So... air is too dense to manipulate, or something.  Hey, I'm doing a better job than they are!
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on November 01, 2013, 03:29:56 AM
5:

Honest question: who has more personality/sense?  Ichika or any Otome Game adaptation "heroine"?   Ichika is currently losing that question.

Second, Ichika obviously has neither balls nor a penis.  If Tatenashi can't get you up, you've got problems.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Pebble on November 01, 2013, 03:35:38 AM
Tatenashi doesn't get me up; she's an abomination of a character who'd only serve to defile the wang of the man foolish enough to enter her. That Ichika manages to keep his down is this show's( and his) only current merit.

Or maybe he should just rape her. And the cut off her head with a nailcutter and rape that. And then burn it and the nailcutter, or maybe nail both to a cross. I'd rather have that than a whole lot of nothing.
Ok ok, I admit, I need help.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on November 01, 2013, 10:25:21 AM
5:

Well, I was going to post this where it belonged, but here seems more appropiate:
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What the hell?

Actually to be fair this is Infinite Stratos so I practically expected there to be some shit like this. Ah well.

Okay, Houki's was pretty good, Cecilia's was bad, Charlotte's was bad until the boob cookie, Laura's was boring, Tatenashi is a dick to the other contestants, Ling just didn't get a turn, and the sister.... wtf was she taking part for?

Also, who the **** forgets their birthday? And who the **** can't read the mood that ba-thisisIchikawe'retalkignaboutit's****ingobvious.

Whenever they have that bullshit "is he dead?" cliffhanger I always think how amazing it would be if he was actually dead.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Delphinox on November 01, 2013, 11:25:50 AM
Also, who the **** forgets their birthday?

*raises hand*

5:

I love the way they shoved in the "twist" at the end. Putting aside the absurdity of it and what implications it has, it was less of a twist in the "hey look, a sudden development" sense and more like "we interrupt your inane harem to bring you plot." Between this and the ending of Episode 3, I'm now convinced that the writers are treating whatever the conflict is as an exercise in procrastination with the way they're putting off leading into it until the very last minute.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on November 01, 2013, 03:37:24 PM
Also, who the **** forgets their birthday?

*raises hand*

Refer to my previous picture.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 01, 2013, 06:05:09 PM
5:

Oh there we go.  I was thinking that maybe Infinte Stratos forgot what kind of show it was what with that plot stuff last episode.  Worried me for a sec.

Oh wait, the ending, nevermind.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Sorrow-kun on November 10, 2013, 03:23:32 PM
Ep 6

Saw screenshots on /a/ suggesting I should watch this episode. I have no regrets.

How is it even possible to not recognize that Charlotte is best girl?  Like, I can't even fathom it.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on November 10, 2013, 04:25:29 PM
That's the most action Ichika is going to be allowed to have, haha.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 10, 2013, 04:36:39 PM
6:

Infinite Stratos.... never too involved in plot to get a random "no pan" episode going.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on November 10, 2013, 05:54:46 PM
6:

Infinite Stratos.... never too involved in plot to get a random "no pan" episode going.

I thought Ichika was just plotting to "land his IS" into one of the girls?  Oh wait, he lacks balls & a penis.  I forgot.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on November 15, 2013, 11:50:45 PM
7:

Another by the book & stupid IS episode (though not as insulting as others), but I found the depressed Laura bit very funny.  And Houki looked really good in that white dress.

Oh, and as if it is a question these days, Ichika is denser than depleted uranium.  Really.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 16, 2013, 07:21:47 PM
7:

Okay, serious question for everybody:  why the **** do you think any of these girls are interesting?  Yeah, they're cute, they're also all ****ing imbeciles. I have never seen such a collection of boring characters being bolstered by nothing but insipid cliches.  Hurf durf, MOE!

Hang yourselves.  They suck, and so do you for liking them.  Just give me ONE with a ****ing personality, PLEASE!
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on November 16, 2013, 08:31:47 PM
I don't think I would argue that most of them are really much past their tropes, but the 2 things they have going for them:

1) The look great (well, minus Rin who doesn't have anything practical to do with the story anyway)
2) Great voice work.

I'll be honest, c***-hungry Chiwa Saito giggling every episode is very enjoyable.  (Tatenashi, the student body president that appeared this season)   This is really far worse written than either NakaImo or OniAi.   It's quite terrible, it just generally has a better premise.  Though even that's crap this time around.  Previously, it at least had a lot of action.  This is just insanely terrible Harem Hijinks. 

Over in Tokyo Ravens, for the side story, two dorm managers showed up that are normally throw-away characters.  Only they got some classic, top-class Seiyuus.  And that made the characters fun to have around.  Same thing.   Acting talent is acting talent.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Pebble on November 17, 2013, 08:23:28 AM
Just give me ONE with a ****ing personality, PLEASE!

The one in the dream in the very beginning who was trying to kill Ichika was interesting while she was trying to kill Ichika.

And... I know this is an awful thing to ask of anybody, but we really need to do that thing in which we document everything wrong with the show; this show is intolerable otherwise.
What? Why don't I do it? Oh I have the excuse of being behind on this(, and every other) show because recently, my internet connection only works when it feels like it.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on November 23, 2013, 09:54:09 AM
8:

Harem +1.

Like I expected anything less.  Worst part is, Taneshima's sister was arguably the most interesting character introduction for a while, since she had a legit reason to hate Ichika's guts.  I would have preferred her to actually hate him, getting over it eventually (and not in a ****ing tsundere sense), and then coming to like him.  Instead, he saves her life and now it's full time deredere.  I suppose the other option was to have her hate him for saving her life, which is more obnoxious, so there was no way to win this.  Meanwhile, Tanashima ****s her whole plan over by being a whore, proving that being a whore gets you nowhere.

Meh.  I don't know why I keep getting irritated at Infinite Stratos.  It hasn't done anything BUT irritate me, so what am I expecting?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 01, 2013, 01:57:25 AM
9:

Hoo boy.

I was wondering whether the writers had forgotten that they were setting up some super sekrut organization plot line in this season.  Seems kind of ****ing random to have it come back NOW (lampshaded by Orimura-neesama), and it gets even worse that this big new threat was only used as a plot device for this subplot regarding the two Ayanami clones.

Specific gripes:

*  "This is an anti-IS IS".  **** the what?  Then what're the other ISes?  "Pro-IS ISes?"  If they have technology now that negates the overwhelming advantage that the ISes are supposed to have (y'know, other than the shit I've bitched about before, like indestructible installation defense shields), then what is the damned point behind having them anymore?

*  The hell was that metaphysical bit in the middle where Blue-The-Younger has a conversation with Blue-The-Older and lead block known as Ichika while everybody is sort of dying.  Seems like an unusual time to introduce a time / space insta mental communication doohickey that had before now been nonexistent.

*  Every other girl in this season has been relegated to unimportant status.  No, seriously, aside from a Charlotte "no-pan" episode to justify having KanaHana on the payroll, what has anybody else done aside from our newcomer sister duo?  This is especially true of China and England, who might as well not exist right now.  Hey, I DON'T care about this shit, but there are hundreds of cracked out otaku who are undoubtedly unhappy their waifu isn't getting screen time and fanservice shots.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on December 01, 2013, 08:57:33 PM
9:

Well, I like that they actually had some character development.  It was done terribly and Kanzashi looked more horny than "troubled" at several points, but at least something happened.

And the stupidity of the world setup showed up again.  It even made the quality fight animation come off as boring, due to the limited visual & air space they were using.   If you've had the misfortune of seeing Uwe Boll's Alone in the Dark, it really comes across like that.  It's amazingly boring, when it should be awesome.

But, at least Tatenashi's ass should be around with us for the rest of the series.  That's the only plus I can take from this episode.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on December 05, 2013, 09:00:45 PM
10:

It got stupider, again, but at least there was a Yukarin sighting at the end.  Was the only actual interesting part.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 09, 2013, 02:03:48 PM
10:

ISes are the most superior weapons in the world!

/Tabane easily defeats one without any aid.

No really!  Ignore that Tabane is admittedly augmented with some kind of method that could be replicated into every soldier in the world!  It's all about the ISes baby!

Also, someone was either really saving budget in this episode or there was plenty of "BLUE RAY ONLY" material going on here.  Considering what they normally show, I seriously doubt that.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on December 09, 2013, 03:01:32 PM
Considering what they should have expected to make from this series, the budget has actually been supremely cheap.  Sadly, the writing has been cheaper.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on December 14, 2013, 10:55:02 AM
11:

Okay, maybe saying KnK was worse than this was a bit far.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 14, 2013, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: Fumoffu
Okay, maybe saying KnK was worse than this was a bit far.

Oh ya THINK?

11:

You know WHY this is worse than KnK?  Because, at the very least, KnK's single-season plot actually works over the entirety of the work.  Sure, episode six was filler, but the rest was all tied together... just not particularly well.  Regardless, Event A leads to Event B which leads to Climax C and resolution D.  It is at least a linear progression, and logical, albeit ineffective.

IS doesn't give a shit.  The overarching plot is the existence of Phantom Task, who thus far have been about as threatening as Pinky and the Brain.  The entirety of what Phantom Task has done could have been over and done with in two episodes, but instead, they have dragged it out over twelve, filling in the gaps with more insipid and inane Infinite Stratos harem waifu fag appreciation "goodness" designed to keep those wanking otaku buying Blu-Rays.  Yeah, IS knows what kind of show it is, and is SO cynically aware that the fans know what kind of show it is, that it makes me wonder why the **** they're bothering with anything resembling a plot in the first place.  It didn't work in season one, so why should it work in season two?

What this season should have been, is episode 1 getting everybody back into things.  Episode 2, 3, and 4 introducing the two new girls, episode 5, 6, and maybe 7 dealing with Phantom Task's supposedly dastardly plot, whatever that is, and the remaining 4 or 5 episodes just more random hijinks because that's apparently what everybody loves.  Instead, they broke up a three episode story into fractions and sprinkled it across the entire season, pretending as if danger was IMMINENT and LURKING in every SHADOW and ... **** your face, IS.  The characters don't even take your plot seriously.  For all the rage that Madoka Orimura supposedly has towards Chifuyu, she's about as expressive as a dandelion.  Maybe that's intentional, but it sure bores the shit out of me.  Finally, we've got the obvious squaring off of battle partners because coordinated attacks with overwhelming force is for sissies.

**** Infinite Stratos and anybody who says this isn't the worst show period....

Well okay, I Wanna Be The Strongest in the World is still worse, but GOD DAMN IT THIS IS LIKE ****ING RIGHT THERE ABOVE IT...
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on December 15, 2013, 04:14:05 AM
I Wanna Be The Strongest In The World! is at least more honest.  S1 of IS had a lot more mecha action, so you could enjoy the series without taking any of the plot seriously.  (Kind of the way to take a low budget HK action flick)   S2 isn't even trying.  The budget dropped way down, the only thing interesting in the entire series was 30s of Saitou Chiwa giggling in one of the early episode previews, and the characters even look a little worse than last time.  It's all around terrible, but it also pops up on a day I don't have much else, but it's really helped me sleep the past few weeks.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on December 15, 2013, 06:37:50 AM
Dog X Scissors was significantly worse than this. Less cynical but it failed so much harder.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 15, 2013, 06:32:25 PM
Dog X Scissors was significantly worse than this. Less cynical but it failed so much harder.

Saying "Dog & Scissors" was worse than "X" is lazy analysis.  We already KNOW that.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on December 15, 2013, 08:39:52 PM
but but but but but you said

**** Infinite Stratos and anybody who says this isn't the worst show period....

I was only helpfully and innocently pointing out the inaccuracy. Why would you do this?
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 15, 2013, 08:50:00 PM
Because!  Dog & Scissors is always the lowest common denominator.  I thought that was one of those "well that goes without saying" things.  It is an absolute; a constant!
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Reckoner on December 15, 2013, 09:04:21 PM
I thought Mars of Destruction was the lowest common denominator.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on December 15, 2013, 09:20:32 PM
Recorder to Randoseru Mi☆ managed to make 3 minutes impossible to get through for me. I had to speed it up so it was only 2 minutes for it to be bearable. I think that deserves credit. Mars of Destruction is really really bad, but it's not that worth of note because it's such a short ova, plus I managed to get through that fine without cringing, crying, pausing, swearing, speeding it up or giving up.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 15, 2013, 09:24:44 PM
I thought Mars of Destruction was the lowest common denominator.

Clearly you haven't actually seen Dog & Scissors.  Not that I will admit to having never seen Mars of Destruction, because that would make me a hypocrite.

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Recorder to Randoseru Mi☆ managed to make 3 minutes impossible to get through for me.

I thought Mi was better than the first season, and at only 3 minutes, it isn't akin to a life sucking and soul draining parasitic organism.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: KS on December 15, 2013, 09:35:56 PM
I thought Mars of Destruction was the lowest common denominator.

Mars of Destruction doesn't really count as a real anime though.  It was actually an included mini-ova in a really shitty Idea Factory (noted for their really shitty barely a game games) game for the PS2.  You can also thank them for the "anime" Amnesia and that game with the atrociously bad English Dub on the PS2 called Chaos Wars.  Other Idea Factory gems include Hiiro no Kakera (adapted into an anime by noted shitty Studio Deen) and Record of Agarest War which you can actually purchase on the PSN Store (protip: don't do this).
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Pebble on December 16, 2013, 03:09:46 AM
5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11:

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Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on December 16, 2013, 05:06:04 AM
5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11:

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Haha.  Brilliant explanation.  A+!  Would read again.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 16, 2013, 11:20:51 AM
5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11:

                                                            .

We should make you a reviewer!  Or at least an editor!  You sure know how to get right to the point!
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on December 19, 2013, 06:50:57 PM
12:

This reminds me of the finale of the first season so much. Anyway, I have a theory. IS's are magical, or something. I dunno, but that constant dream land is such a strange addition. I don't understand what the **** it means, why it's relevant or why it would be included as a feature in an IS.

So, little run down of points:

1) So Madoka wants to kill Chifuyu, okay, fine. However, is she simply unaware of the bomb on the train, or does she just not care? Maybe she wants to do it with her own hands?
2) "The system is being hijacked", wasn't it hijacked to start with? Like, isn't the entire situation a result of the train being hacked? Wut?
3) The banter between Kanzashi and the scorpion tailed IS yellow haired pilot person was absolutely shit. Like, the worst insults and comebacks, ever.
4) "There's a bomb on the train!" -> A timer appears out of nowhere on queue for no reason. It's like the bomb itself has said "okay, the jigs up, let's tell them how much time they have".
5) Why would you have a timer anyway in this day and age, just set it as a remote detonated device. Not exactly hard. Like, especially since they were kinda keeping the bomb a secret. How come it started timing when they recognised its existence? Does that mean that it would have been fine if they were ignorant of the bomb?
6) How come the IS's they have are so shit? Like, everyone else seems to have much better IS, and the army have the shittest IS ever. Like, they aren't even personalised. How can an army even casually send out ten IS's when there are less than half a thousand in the entire world?
7) The heat signature can recognise specific individuals, all whilst she spins around and around endlessly for no good reason, but then she isn't at all. Why is the camera spinning then when it's clearly not the thing searching? Why would it continue searching after it found it's intended target?
8 ) Army IS pilots cannot shoot for shit. ****, stationary targets are hard man!
9) Army IS pilots know not of the concept of dodging, evasion or maneuvering. Did they learn nothing in training?
10) "A mass of energy", otherwise known as... mass. Can't she figure out it's an IS? Also, it didn't shoot anything down, it laser sworded them.
11) "You are to stand by BECAUSE I SAY SO! I don't care if it doesn't make sense, I will tell you to do something later or summin".
12) All of the previous 11 points came within the first 5 minutes, including the OP sequence.
13) Cecilia and the angry enemy woman both know very little about dodging, fortunately they both can't shoot for shit either.
14) Oh wait, she does shoot 9 down with a massive beam cannon. Of course they don't think to dodge, or move, or shoot. They are literally just stood in place waiting to die.
15) "Aww shit, this train is about to be shot, I could start up my IS and defend the train, but that sounds like a hassle" - every girl on the train.
16) Casual block of the laser cannon. Like, if it's that easy to block then why bother dodging, how come that laser was able to mow down 10 IS instantly, but it doesn't even scratch Orimura's?
17) Why is Orimura being told about the bomb? He can do **** all to help, even if he wasn't been attacked. He couldn't do more than the people currently on the train at least.
18 ) "Please hold out until then" = "Please wait around on that ticking time bomb, even though you could all have flown to safety by now, or started doing something productive".
19) Why are cecilia and Houki coming to "help" when they haven't even dealt with the ****er that's assaulting them yet?
20) Wait, so the doors were locked? That's why they were waiting around? Right.... something doesn't seem right here.... Hmmm, it's almost like they could have just busted out the roof or something with an IS when this started.....
21) The one chasing Houki shoots in the direction of Houki, but not at Houki, but something past her which explodes. I don't know what this something is, and why it was so important to it took precedent over the stationary Houki, but whatever.
22) "A brother who can't protect his sister can't even be called a man!". Hmmm. Here I thought we lived in 2013, not the 20th century.....
23) Given that you spent so long in the train doing **** all, couldn't you have thought to run through the plan beforehand, so you didn't need to do it when time was really really tight?
24) How does she locate the bomb with hacking, or a computer in general? So the people who placed it made it a timed device, but made it so it produced signals? Wut?
25) Yeh, I can accept that Ichika would be stupid/shocked enough to forget about the enemy right behind him because of the explosion.... but what about Houki and Cecilia who were there watching her shoot him? What were they doing? They are like 5 meters away as well (all of a sudden, since when were they there?). They actually want him to die don't they?
26) This happened last season in the finale (Ichika being knocked out and going to magical land). It kind of takes the tension away when they go through the exact same routine all over.
27) Cecilia, the long range IS pilot, challenges the other pilot from point blank. Probably needs that range in order to hit. Oh wait, she moved further away in a different shot, without moving....
28) Ichika's IS didn't explode, but all of the army IS units did, why? In fact his unit looks fine considering he just got shot in the back point blank. Did she miss the easy shot on purpose?
29) She keeps grabbing their faces and using it as a leverage point to fling their entire IS unit into the ground. How heavy is the IS? It looks pretty heavy, at least 300 kg. Think about the amount of strain that Cecilia's neck would have to endure in order to be able to swing the IS around whilst grabbing her head. If that didn't rip her head off, she'd have a broken neck. Why is Cecilia still alive?
30) So Charlotte managed to surprise Madoka with her appearance even though she appeared in front of her, but Laura didn't think to take her rear by surprise. She could have ended it right then and there. Also another casual block of the cannon. Also Laura, don't scream if you are trying to surprise her. Maybe you weren't going for surprise, I dunno your German tactics.
31) Ichika is in the magical mystery land, again. What the **** is the magical land? Houki has magical tears?
32) 10 o'clock is so ****ing stupid when you're fighting in 3 dimensions. Plus doesn't the IS have a tracking system anyway? It can apparently find specific people by their heat signatures from 500m easily, but an enemy IS? Nope, no luck, have to tell each other. More to the point, who's 10 o'clock? In IS battles where you are constantly turning and spinning, 10 o'clock one second ago would mean another direction fraction of a second later.
33) Mountain Storm is shit.
34) Dream land is a bizarre place that makes no sense. Like literally what the **** is this whole dream sequence shit? He sees his older sister, but then it goes black, starts killing him but he prays to the lady with white hair and shit's cool? Wut?
35) Cecilia regained consciousness? That was fast. Why is she blowing up streets?
36) How come there are no cars.... oh wait, this battle has being going on for over half an hour now I suppose..... no parked cars though?
37) Lots of buildings with lights on, meaning they are at home. God, so many must have die- oh wait no buildings were hit. Miraculous. In a huge city with packed buildings in all directions, a massive gun fight in the sky above lasting a significant amount of time has no stray bullets that hit any buildings.
38 ) Oh wait shit, they just crushed some poor guy's house, oh wait, several. So projectiles missed, but IS's can hit them? Got it. Like the OP shockwave move.
39) Kanzaki unveils a laser cannon as if it had been there since forever. Did she know that this was going to happen all along, and that the train would stop at that exact place? ****ing genius!
40) She somehow only grazes with the huge beam cannon.
41) Ichika uses his deus ex machina move.
42) His dues ex machina move is shit.
43) All the girls just left the other one to go save Madoka. They were like "**** this I'm done already".
44) Houki appears without a sound, out of nowhere. She also starts saying "Phantom Task escaped" as she stands there, letting them escape.
45) It turns out the reason the student's IS's are so shit is because the maker of them is an asshole. She and her white haired buddy like shit stirring the entire world for some reason.
46) "Oh look, the signs are on the wrong way round, let's not check to make sure there aren't any men or women already in the baths!".
47) Zero causalities. SEEMS LEGIT. Must have been no one in the buildings that the IS's destroyed by being shockwaved into them.
48 ) They don't really seem too bothered by Phantom Task all things considered. They kind of treat it like an annoying kid that bothers them every so often rather than an actual serious threat when they speak of it in hindsight. "Such a bothersome day". Maybe the subbers fault. I doubt it.
49) I suppose it isn't Infinite Stratos if they don't close on a fanservice scene.
50) Ichika faints, sinks under the water, travels unnoticed all the way over to the girls underwater, then suddenly resurfaces, all whilst he's unconscious.


YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I liked the ED sequence sped up by 1.28 times. It's a lot more likely.

Let's see, score.... 3.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 21, 2013, 02:00:01 AM
12:

Yeah, not gonna bother.  We'll get a season three because, for some reason, this show outsells 90% of the other stuff made each year.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on December 21, 2013, 01:57:44 PM
12:

Yeah, not gonna bother.  We'll get a season three because, for some reason, this show outsells 90% of the other stuff made each year.

They've covered all of the released novels, so at least it will be a while.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on December 21, 2013, 04:17:18 PM
Oh I don't know.  Profitable franchises have a way of "finding" stories for shows in order to keep milking that cow.

However, this does provide me a chance to assassinate the author before more can be written...
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: thesprinkle42 on March 03, 2014, 10:43:30 PM
It's possible I don't hate this series as much as you guys because I haven't watched any harem an I'm not sick of it. Mind you, I don't think it's good. Also, Why has no one mentioned the fact that in S1 the make a point of saying that the Suits have a consciousness sort of thing? THAT COULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: SQA on March 03, 2014, 11:43:41 PM
The problem with IS is that what was enjoyable (the actual combat bits and the light harem hijinks) have to make up for some of the stupidest plotting & nonsensical world building around.  And it gets a LOT worse in the 2nd season.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: thesprinkle42 on March 04, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
Also it seems they left the plot out in season 2 in order to pander more. Now, look at something like Macross. Plenty of pandering but it's balanced with a healthy amount of Missile Spam.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on March 04, 2014, 12:33:18 AM
Depends on which Macross you're watching.  The original is one of the more balanced shows in terms of what it wants to be, with the subsequent sequels and spin offs being varying degrees of whatever.  I might be the only one who thinks Macross Frontier was on par with the original, tho, in terms of knowing what it wanted to be and (mostly) executing things perfectly.

Which makes the films annoying to me.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: Fumoffu!! on March 04, 2014, 06:24:59 AM
Depends on which Macross you're watching.  The original is one of the more balanced shows in terms of what it wants to be, with the subsequent sequels and spin offs being varying degrees of whatever.  I might be the only one who thinks Macross Frontier was on par with the original, tho, in terms of knowing what it wanted to be and (mostly) executing things perfectly.

Which makes the films annoying to me.
I remember that the movies were superior because of one joke in the first movie that was so beautiful that me and my friend were actually rolling on the floor. Okay maybe a bit far, but it was a funny joke for me, especially how it was something that you had to notice. It was actually a terrible joke, but I found it hilarious. Wait...

On topic.
It's possible I don't hate this series as much as you guys because I haven't watched any harem an I'm not sick of it. Mind you, I don't think it's good. Also, Why has no one mentioned the fact that in S1 the make a point of saying that the Suits have a consciousness sort of thing? THAT COULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING
I doubt even the author remembers that plot point by now.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: thesprinkle42 on March 04, 2014, 08:07:14 AM

Which makes the films annoying to me.
I dunno, man, I thought DYRL's sequence of events made a lot more sense, especially in regards to Millia. I always thought the original kinda made Max look like an opportunistic asshole taking advantage of her mental breakdown. The way they handled it there made a lot more sense to me.


On topic.
It's possible I don't hate this series as much as you guys because I haven't watched any harem an I'm not sick of it. Mind you, I don't think it's good. Also, Why has no one mentioned the fact that in S1 the make a point of saying that the Suits have a consciousness sort of thing? THAT COULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING
I doubt even the author remembers that plot point by now.


That is why this series disappoints me instead of pissing me off.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: TypicalIdiotFan on March 05, 2014, 10:34:06 AM

Which makes the films annoying to me.
I dunno, man, I thought DYRL's sequence of events made a lot more sense

Oh, sorry. I meant the Frontier movies. DYRL is fine.
Title: Re: Infinite Stratos
Post by: thesprinkle42 on March 06, 2014, 07:24:53 AM
Yeah, I thought DYRL's structure made WAY more sense. It also fixed the slightly suspect Max and Millia romance. And Hikaru slaps Minmey. So I'm a happy guy over here.